Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 November 22
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Lazar Carević
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 12:50, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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- I'm just gonna copy the previous PRODs here for reference:
- 19:30, 9 April 2019 Explicit talk contribs deleted page Lazar Carević (Expired PROD, concern was: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY, never played in a WP:FPL) (thank)
- 19:21, 10 July 2020 Fenix down talk contribs deleted page Lazar Carević (Expired PROD, concern was: Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league.) (thank)
- Obviously the first PROD should have made the article ineligible to a second PROD but this one slipped through the cracks once. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:00, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 20:12, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTY. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: He fails WP:NFOOTY, but I believe a conversation might be worth having re: WP:GNG. There seem to be a LOT of non-English language results out there, most of which coincide with his move to/time with Barcelona. I found this in English, which I'd imagine is based from this article. There are also all of the following articles re: his time there like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this which I think starts to build a case that he's covered at least in part by a pretty broad spectrum of non-English speaking sources, although I could also see some claim it as WP:ROUTINE. GauchoDude (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A number of sources have been suggested which warrant further consideration. Feels like WP:BLP1E at the moment as they all refer to the same thing, but at least indicative of some level of coverage.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 22:38, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting one more time to see if anyone has any thoughts on the sources presented by GauchoDude.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌀Locomotive207-talk🌀 23:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, I believe the coverage and his achievements so far to be lacking in WP:IMPACT and fail WP:10YT. Geschichte (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to SpaceX Mars program. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Mars Base Alpha
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POV stub on a topic with no independent notability spun off from SpaceX Mars program. Sourced to a tweet (inadmissible per WP:PRIMARY) and some fluff websites; the only reference that remotely approaches decent does not actually mention "Mars Base Alpha". XOR'easter (talk) 23:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. Stubbier than a stub, and the little content, while amusing, is not particularly reliable. I really am amused by the infobox item "Government: Imperator Elon Musk", directly under "Direct Democracy", but that amusement doesn't mean the article has any relevance. This is a variation on "too soon" in some minor key. Tarl N. (discuss) 23:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect back to SpaceX Mars program. (This isn't really an Astronomy topic.) Praemonitus (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- But according to WP:P Deletion doesn't meet criteria for it to happen, because its follow independent and reliable source, as long as its verifiable and also gained serious attention. Worth notice that content of subject cannot be made up/interpret by individual unless there is primary and secondary sources in order to support the cause, while in these case Elon Musk proclaims himself as Mars Imperator, colonizing mars, imposing his own law for Mars Base Alpha is well-know publication in media is cleary not. Therefore could resume its existence.
MrHerii (talk) 03:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to SpaceX Mars program: Redirecting is preferable to deletion here. DocFreeman24 (talk) 06:25, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect back to SpaceX Mars program, as per nom. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect back to SpaceX Mars program. I would add that most of the content should not be merged as it is basically one man's (Musk) almost non-sensical musings. Pichpich (talk) 19:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete almost comes off as a joke article. Non-notable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect back to SpaceX Mars program. This does not appear to be separately notable by any stretch. I don't think the content is really worth merging at this point either, so I'd be open to deletion altogether. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The initial discussion was about whether the sourcing of the article - both at the nomination and sources added later - meets the various WP:SIGCOV and WP:NPROF prongs; it seems like the consensus on that point was trending in favour of them meeting it. The accusations against the nominator are not a particularly good keep rationale. The later keep arguments along the lines of WP:NAUTHOR have gone uncontested from what I can see. All this suggests that people here have come to a keep consensus. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Taner Edis
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All sources either have conflicts of interest with the person or are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person. I therefore believe (and a DuckDuckGo search confirms) that outside of sources he has a COI with, his own publications, or niche blogs there is not enough coverage of him to merit an article based on lack of notability. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 22:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Analysis of sources (per diff)
- Literally his CV
- He is a "Scientific and Technical Consultant" for the parent company of this source
- Same as (2).
- This is a publication for the company he is a consultant to
- A lecture given by him as part of a panel to approx. 100 people does not indicate notability.
- This is a non-notable conference.
- This is a citation to his own book. (Sidenote: Prometheus Books was founded by the co-founder of the company Edis consults for. Not that I think that's necessarily a COI, but worth noting.)
- A review of his book
- A review of his book
- A review of his book
- The award is given by the parent company to the one he consults for.
As can be seen, there are no reputable, independent sources that show Taner Edis is notable.
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- Notified: Animalparty, Sgerbic, Krelnik, WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Skepticism Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 23:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: since the start of this proposal more sources and text have been added, see below for a discussion as to whether these new sources indicate notability. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 11:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC) (appended Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 11:34, 23 November 2021 (UTC))
Survey
- Keep. When nominating for deletion, what matters (per WP:BEFORE's due diligence) is the not the sources used, but the sources that could be used. That Edis is quoted in conventional media (e.g. the New York Times, Reuters, and several national-level foreign-language news outlets) as an academic expert in his field is evidence of notability and that he rises above the level of "average professor". I shall try to add some of the sourcing to the article to make this more apparent. Alexbrn (talk) 07:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Of the 2 sources you have added to the article the quotes mentioning him are as follows:
- From "Creationism, Minus a Young Earth, Emerges in the Islamic World":
One of the conference participants, Taner Edis, said he never encountered creationist undertones when he was growing up in Turkey in the 1970s. “I first noticed creationism when I came to America for graduate school,” said Dr. Edis, now a professor of physics at Truman State University in Missouri. He thought it an American oddity. Some years later, while browsing a bookstore on a visit to Turkey, Dr. Edis found books about creationism filed in the science section. “It actually caught me by surprise,” he said. In Turkey, officially a secular government but now ruled by an Islamic party, the teaching of evolution has largely disappeared, at least below the university level, and the science curriculum in public schools is written in deference to religious beliefs, Dr. Edis said."
- I don't think this is evidence of much notability aside from the conference he attended. In fact, other people mentioned in the article are referred to as "prominent" (i.e. Dr. Hoodboy) while Edis is not.
- Note, the article "Islamic Creationist and a Book Sent Round the World" is not about him. The only mention of Edis is quoting him:
Who finances these efforts is “a big question that no one knows the answer to,” said another recipient, Taner Edis, a physicist at Truman State University in Missouri who studies issues of science and religion, particularly Islam. Dr. Edis grew up in a secular household in Turkey and has lived in the United States since enrolling in graduate school at Johns Hopkins, where he earned his doctorate in 1994. He said Mr. Yahya’s activities were usually described in the Turkish press as financed by donations. “But what that can mean is anybody’s guess,” he said. Support for creationism is also widespread among Muslims, said Dr. Edis, whose book “An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam” was published by Prometheus Books this spring. “Taken at face value, the Koran is a creationist text,” he said, adding that it would be difficult to find a scholar of Islam “who is going to be gung-ho about Darwin.”
- The sum of these quotes basically say he studies science and religion, grew up in a secular household, that Turkey is increasingly nonsecular, and that the Quran is creationist. This does not show he is notable enough for a BLP, but that he could be a valuable reference in articles such as Islamic_views_on_evolution. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 07:56, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- You are aware that being quoted in conventional news media is a criterion for an academic's notability? Alexbrn (talk) 08:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Does not seem to be per WP:NACADEMIC if you take the perspective he should be assessed as an academic for notability. Note that in one of the sources he is quoted by virtue of being one of the speakers at the conference (not that the writers went out of their way to get his quote) and in the other his book is mentioned in passing and he is quoted for two sentences about Turkey and the Quran.
- Per NACADEMIC:
7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. Criterion 7 may be satisfied, for example, if the person is frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area. A small number of quotations, especially in local news media, is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.
- In Scopus, (see here) he is shown to have an average of 5 citations per published work. That is not high enough to argue he has had wide academic impact on the discipline. 67 of the 119 citations, by the way, are about his physics work ("Kosterlitz-Thouless transition and charge redistribution in the superconductivity of YBCO/PBCO superlattices", from 1991).
- Per NACADEMIC:
- I hadn't checked the scopus link until now, but seeing how low his academic impact is (36 citations for 13 non-physics works at an average of 2.8 citations per work). I believe even more strongly he is not notable enough for a stand-alone article. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:30, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- So he's been cited by in New York Times, Reuters, The Sudan Tribune, T24 (newspaper), Tirto.ID (Indonesia), etc. These are not local news media. Alexbrn (talk) 08:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- (Add) Also, Scopus is not very useful for attempting to track citations in the humanities space because of its limited scope. It won't pick up that Edis' work is apparently important to current scholarship in many religio-political areas, as found in scholarly monographs and collections. Alexbrn (talk) 08:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- [The Reuters article] says this about him:
“That seems implausible -- this book is expensive,” said Taner Edis, a Turkish-American physicist whose 2007 book “An Illusion of Harmony” analyzed Islam’s approach to science. “And to my knowledge, it’s not selling like hotcakes.” Edis doubted the rumors of funds from U.S. creationists, saying: “American creationists I talk to basically envy Harun Yahya’s financial resources. If there were any fund flowing, it would be from Adnan Oktar to the creationists.”
. Again, a passing mention about him where Edis's work isn't discussed at all. He is just talking about an islamic creationist having a lot of money. Additionally, my point was not the locality of the news, but the frequency and prominence of his mentions within the news articles. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC) - The Sudan Tribune article's complete coverage of Taner Edis is a single phrase:
In his paper “‘Quran-science’: scientific miracles from the 7th century?”, Taner Edis notes that “Astronomy is fertile territory for the imaginations of apologists seeking to show that the Quran exhibits knowledge far beyond what would be possible in the 7th century environment of its origin”.
The paper? a blog post. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)- Edis' work is not "discussed" in these new pieces of course (we'll get to that with the book reviews), but establishes that Edis is cited as an academic in a range of quality international news media. That bears on his notability and helps us with weighing up whether he passes the "average professor" test. Alexbrn (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- [The Reuters article] says this about him:
- Does not seem to be per WP:NACADEMIC if you take the perspective he should be assessed as an academic for notability. Note that in one of the sources he is quoted by virtue of being one of the speakers at the conference (not that the writers went out of their way to get his quote) and in the other his book is mentioned in passing and he is quoted for two sentences about Turkey and the Quran.
- You are aware that being quoted in conventional news media is a criterion for an academic's notability? Alexbrn (talk) 08:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- From "Creationism, Minus a Young Earth, Emerges in the Islamic World":
A small number of quotations is not unexpected for academics and so falls short of this mark.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- So you're arguing that for a person who spent their childhood in Turkey, Turkish national news coverage counts as "a local source"? By that argument the New York Times is "local news" for every American, right? I am beginning to wonder about the good faith of this deletion attempt. Alexbrn (talk) 09:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- If both NYT and the Reuters post quote him exclusively when talking about a Turkish celebrity or Turkey then yes I would consider it news local to the subject of his work. Not to him. Hope that clarifies my statement above. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:30, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- An example would be that I would consider it local coverage if the Boston Herald cited an academic architectural critic specializing in Boston architecture, if that makes sense. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Probably WP:CIR then. National newspapers don't become local newspapers on the whim of Wikipedia editors. Turkey is a nation state, unlike Boston which is a city. Coverage of national topics in a national news source is by definition "national". Alexbrn (talk) 09:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC); amended 09:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- That's fair enough. I understood national as a subset of local but if I misunderstood that then that's alright. I still think that the interview in T24 is immensely short (one of the 3 questions is just to repeat what he said in his speech) and that altogether his coverage by sources is not very indicative of notability, though. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Probably WP:CIR then. National newspapers don't become local newspapers on the whim of Wikipedia editors. Turkey is a nation state, unlike Boston which is a city. Coverage of national topics in a national news source is by definition "national". Alexbrn (talk) 09:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC); amended 09:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- An example would be that I would consider it local coverage if the Boston Herald cited an academic architectural critic specializing in Boston architecture, if that makes sense. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- If both NYT and the Reuters post quote him exclusively when talking about a Turkish celebrity or Turkey then yes I would consider it news local to the subject of his work. Not to him. Hope that clarifies my statement above. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:30, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Nominated by editor who doesn't like GSoW and went ape at ANI over it. -Roxy the dog. wooF 08:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Roxy the dog this AfD has no mention at all of GSoW, and I cannot help but take your comment as a personal attack. Please apologize and change your wording to not be an ad hominem. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 08:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- See your topic ban. -Roxy the dog. wooF 09:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- What? What does that have to do with this. I am blocked only from ANI. Your statement above is still a hurtful personal attack, and I ask you to please apologize and move on to discussing the actual content of the AfD.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:10, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- See here for your antagonism toward GSoW. -Roxy the dog. wooF 09:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Roxy the dog please keep the discussion in this talk page relevant to the AfD and don't attack me. It is hurtful, unconsiderate, and disruptive to the discussion here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A. C. Santacruz (talk • contribs) 09:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- See here for your antagonism toward GSoW. -Roxy the dog. wooF 09:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- What? What does that have to do with this. I am blocked only from ANI. Your statement above is still a hurtful personal attack, and I ask you to please apologize and move on to discussing the actual content of the AfD.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 09:10, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- See your topic ban. -Roxy the dog. wooF 09:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I notice the nominator has now modified the nomination to include the assertion book reviews added to the article merely "cover [...] Edis's books rather than Edis himself I still believe they don't indicate he is notable". This is to swerve around the guidance in WP:NPROF that, when considering impact, "Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations". If indeed it is the case that the nominator has misunderstood that the (copiously reviewed) output of Professor Edis somehow "doesn't count", then perhaps they could withdraw this deletion nomination and save the community wasted time? A biographical article covers the subject's life and work (except where the body of work is so notable it needs to split off). Alexbrn (talk) 11:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- My bad, I'll append that. Note however that the criteria for academic mentions "highly cited" — one review per book in the article is not indicative that the works are highly influential. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 11:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- The goalposts are moving so fast they're in danger of falling off the edge of the world. As you can find by searching, Edis's books are reviewed in many select academic venues, and I don't propose to include every review. What matters is what is out there not what is "in the article". Getting an academic book reviewed in New Scientist is kind of a big deal. Alexbrn (talk) 11:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand how a review in a magazine by a political philosopher (and not a science philosopher) indicates he had a big impact on the field or that the works are highly cited. You don't need to include every review, but indicating some metric as to how cited he is is much more objective than saying a citation in a non-academic non-peer reviewed ("popular science and technology") magazine shows his influence on the field, per Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific_criteria_notes:
To count towards satisfying Criterion 1, citations need to occur in peer-reviewed scholarly publications such as journals or academic books.
andThere are other considerations that may be used as contributing factors (usually not sufficient individually) towards satisfying Criterion 1: significant academic awards and honors (see below); service on editorial boards of scholarly publications; publications in especially prestigious and selective academic journals; publication of collected works; special conferences dedicated to honor academic achievements of a particular person; naming of academic awards or lecture series after a particular person; and others.
Additionally,For the purposes of partially satisfying Criterion 1, [...] Ordinary colloquia and seminar talks and invited lectures at scholarly conferences, standard research grants, named post-doctoral fellowships, visiting appointments, or internal university awards are insufficient for this purpose.
. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 12:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Small aside, I am in no way implying New Scientist is not reliable or whatnot (see WP:NEWSCIENTIST), just that it's not academic.Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 12:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- "Citations" and "book reviews" are different things, and you're quoting text about citations. Book reviews are by their nature rarely "peer reviewed". The fact that you think the New Scientist has chosen the wrong type of professor as a reviewer (at the time Gray was a Professor or European Thought) doesn't really weigh in assessing notability. The fact is that Edis's work gets attention in good RS, and that counts towards notability, contrary to your assertion in the nomination. I'm not sure why you're quoting guidance about colloquia and seminar talks, etc. It seems completely irrelevant. Alexbrn (talk) 12:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand how a review in a magazine by a political philosopher (and not a science philosopher) indicates he had a big impact on the field or that the works are highly cited. You don't need to include every review, but indicating some metric as to how cited he is is much more objective than saying a citation in a non-academic non-peer reviewed ("popular science and technology") magazine shows his influence on the field, per Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#Specific_criteria_notes:
- Speedy Keep Edis was the co-author of "Why Intelligent Design Fails". This book has been reviewed in peer-reviewed journals like The Quarterly Review of Biology [1] and Politics and the Life Sciences [2]. There are also reviews of his books, The Ghost in the Universe at the NCSE website [3], and in the peer reviewed American Journal of Theology & Philosophy [4], Islam Evolving in the Publisher's Weekly [5] and Journal of Religion and Science [6], etc. Also reviews of his book An Illusion of Harmony in journals like Die Welt des Islams [7]. I could cite many more. This afd should not have been filed. The article can easily be updated. Many reliable book reviews have been published that mention Edis both in peer-reviewed journals and on reliable websites. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep:subject is notable per sources shown by Alexbrn and Psychologist Guy. Also, this AfD proposal smells of WP:HOUND, as Roxy the dog so gracefully pointed out. Or did he? BTW, @A. C. Santacruz: when you say the sources have a "conflict of interest" with the subject of this article, I think what you meant to say is that they are not independent of him, which would be the relevant thing to bring up in a discussion of notability. VdSV9•♫ 21:34, 23 November 2021 (UTC) Here from watching WT:SKEPTIC, in case anyone is wondering.
- I'd have said "bluntly" but "gracefully" is good. -Roxy the dog. wooF 22:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- If you are accusing me of hounding, VdSV9, you should point at the specific editors which I am hounding. None of my edits are made to cause distress and I avoid personal attacks, nor do I follow anyone's edits. The burden is on you to provide evidence of hounding if that is the case. I made this AfD in good faith seeing how a DuckDuckGo search and a google scholar search did not show many citations. Users above have found a number of them, that if the community feels is enough to warrant keeping this article can be used to improve the article itself. How is that inhibiting any editors' work? How is that indicative of me following others around? Is the net result of this AfD, if the article is kept, not a net positive seeing how many new sources have been found that can be added? Is the net result of this AfD, if the article is removed, not a net positive seeing how an article meriting deletion would have been removed? What exactly is the issue that keeps being raised about me in no certain nor cordial terms? Calling me an ape and a hound and making rhetorical questions does nothing but clutter and distract the discussion from the valuable inputs that Psychologist Guy and Alexbrn have raised. If you have issues with me I'd warmly encourage you to instead go to my talk page so that we can have a calm, good-faith conversation there and keep the AfD on-topic. I've made peace with Roxy before, and don't see a reason not to do it now. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 22:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- WP:DINC. I think what might raise eyebrows about this AfD is stuff like the description given to reference no. 4 in the nom. What does "a publication for the company he is a consultant to" even mean? and why is it relevant? A lot of effort seems to have gone into teasing out hinted at "conflicts of interest" - rather more than into finding sources. It will likely not escape users' attention that reference no. 4 is also by Susan Gerbic, the very user at the centre of the ANI mess the nominator was deeply involved in. Gerbic is also the top editor of this article by added text. During the ANI mess, the nominator said they were building a "case" on GSoW and believed "there is something to gain from poking around a bit". Is this AfD part of the poking? Alexbrn (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The subject's notability had not been proven to pass guidelines before raising this AfD (and I still believe it hasn't), so linking DINC does not seem applicable here.
- About ref. 4, if a source is "closely affiliated with a subject" (as this conflict of interest would indicate), it cannot be used to gauge notability (see WP:INDY).
- Again, if you are going to accuse me of something I suggest you do so in the proper channels and provide diffs. Ad hominems and rhetorical questions do not benefit the discussion. I'm more than willing to discuss the issue in my talk page, and encourage you all to go there if you wish to have a constructive dialogue in good faith. Santacruz ⁂ Please tag me! 11:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment G Scholar has his books, and a few hits in published scientific papers, but I think most are just men with the same name. Not wanting to sift through them to determine notability, leaning towards deleted based on discussion above. Oaktree b (talk) 01:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- The guys's publications are listed on his cv.[8] Alexbrn (talk) 03:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Edis meets WP:NAUTHOR because his books have "won significant critical attention". Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Alexbrn and Psychologist Guy. The nomination says that sources
are reviews of his book rather than sources about the person
, but book reviews are evidence that an author is notable, per the relevant wiki-notability guideline. XOR'easter (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC) - Keep Clearly notable. Easily meets WP:NAUTHOR. Thriley (talk) 08:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as there are enough sources to clearly show that notability has been met.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Iowa Chicken
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Political event from the 2008 Republican presidential primary with no lasting impact or political implications. All sources mentioning the Iowa Chicken are about the presidential candidates (McCain and Giuliani) with no more than one or two lines about the individual in the chicken costume. I did not identify a suitable redirect target, as it is not even mentioned on the Iowa Straw Poll page. Enos733 (talk) 22:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. Completely agree with the nominator. This seems like a minor political stunt with no lasting coverage or impact. KidAd • SPEAK 22:56, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. This seems to be a one-off publicity stunt limited to one 2008 straw-poll. Contrast with the San Diego Chicken. — Maile (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete It appears that references are largely deprecated, does not bode well for finding more, thus would concur with other comments so far. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 15:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: No significant coverage. SL93 (talk) 02:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
2 Broke Girls: A XXX Parody
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This film fails to meet notability per WP:NF or any other measure. I did try to find additional coverage before nominating. The sources for the article are by no means reliable. One is a blog and the other two are even listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Pornography#Generally unreliable sources. SVTCobra 22:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete. No reliably sourced evidence of notability. Claims of being more than run of the mill porn can't even be supported by unreliable sources. AVN Award nominations tend to be something for every studio. This film was one of nine nominees in a niche category, Best VR Sex Scene.[9] If they couldn't fill the 15 nominee quota, this looks like a participation trophy. • Gene93k (talk) 02:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Going by the 'plot', there was participation by multiple parties here, to be sure. 🤭 That said... Nate • (chatter) 03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Porn parody whose market was very limited when it was released (2BG was cancelled in 2017; this came out two years later, in 2019), and as a niche VR project in an experimental market. Nate • (chatter) 03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment We'd need a heck of a lot more from the technical standpoint of the VR to actually get this to be notable. I mean, porn is porn. They literally make thousands of these a year. Oaktree b (talk) 01:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Clickbait with at least two of the only three references being crowd sourced web sites that are not accepted as reliable by Wikipedia for any type of media-related articles. — Maile (talk) 15:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a run of the mill porn video that received no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 04:52, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Nite Flyte
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Unsourced band stub, appears to fail WP:MUSICBIO. I can't find any significant coverage other than one album review from All About Jazz. Article itself doesn't provide any claim of notability or even any information other than a discography. Lennart97 (talk) 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: Robert Spencer's brief 1999 AAJ review is the most substantial found in searches; that aside, there are passing mentions of this band in the context of posts about founder Tony Campbell, but these are mere traces - nothing indicates that WP:MUSICBIO notability was attained. AllyD (talk) 08:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I have little to add to the solid reasoning by the nominator and previous voter. Also note that there is at least one other band of the same name ([10]), also non-notable. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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Palestine Solidarity Campaign
The result was Keep per withdrawn by poster. WP:TNT wasn't necessary. (non-admin closure) Bob drobbs (talk) 18:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Possibly hopelessly WP:PROMO. Maybe WP:TNT? If you remove all of the unreliable sources it's not clear it meets WP:GNG. Bob drobbs (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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Keep- I think it passes the notability requirements. It is poorly written (overly promotional, many POV issues), but that's not a reason to delete. It should just be fixed. Inf-in MD (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Inf-in MD: I was originally looking at WP:TNT -- Is so much of the article promo and so many of the sources biased/unreliable that the article should be blown up and started again from scratch? But looking at WP:ATD, maybe a reasonable approach would be reduce to stub by removing all, or almost all, of the info that isn't from reliable secondary sources. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, stubbing it may be the way to go. Inf-in MD (talk) 01:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Keep- deleting this article about a notable organisation would not be a good look, in light of WPs well-known zionist leanings. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- The problem is that perhaps 2/3 of this page is WP:PROMO referencing their site, or other direct supporters, or from other unreliable sources. That's why I pondered if WP:TNT is the fix. Would you support a major truncation of this page, deleting almost everything that comes from non-reliable or primary sources? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am in general in favor of removing material not cited to reliable sources. However material cited to the organization itself is usable per WP:ABOUTSELF. That is besides the point here though, and if you no longer favor deletion you should withdraw the nomination. nableezy - 21:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- The problem is that perhaps 2/3 of this page is WP:PROMO referencing their site, or other direct supporters, or from other unreliable sources. That's why I pondered if WP:TNT is the fix. Would you support a major truncation of this page, deleting almost everything that comes from non-reliable or primary sources? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- It's unclear this actually meets notability requirements. Relevant guideline here would be WP:NORG as it's an organisation. Most aren't even GNG sources, but ignoring those there's a handful of at-a-glance acceptable sources, except when you look closer these don't seem to meet NORG (e.g. [11] isn't about the organisation, it's about an individual, [12] isn't substantial coverage, even [13] isn't really useable). I haven't checked every single source, but of those I did check only FN7 ([14]) was NORG-acceptable. If there are "Zionist organisations" that don't meet NORG they should be nominated for deletion too; see WP:OSE. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Well-known campaign group, regularly in the national news. Number 57 09:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- Most of which are mere mentions and don't have substantial coverage about the organisation...? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The article is in a bad state but WP:BEFORE applies. On a quick search, I found significant coverage in reliable sources, including:
- PSC organises largest ever palestine UK solidarity march in guardian
- PSC investigates british universities' links to arms companies in middle east eye
- BLM allies with PSC in the week
- The BDS Movement Promotes Delegitimization of the State of Israel and lots more on JSTOR
- What is the significance of the R (Palestine Solidarity Campaign Ltd & Anor) v Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government 2020 UKSC 16 case for the trustees’ fiduciary duty of investment and “ethical” investment opportunities? on OUP
- Journal article about Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign
- There's also a surprising amount of news articles about local UK groups. Mujinga (talk) 18:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Centurion Life Sciences
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No in-depth coverage, all sources are directory entries. Couldn't find any other coverage online. The first google result (for me) is the linkedin profile of the CEO, who happens to share their name with that of the article's creator... 15 (talk) 20:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails to meet the relevant standard. Likely COI. XOR'easter (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: A listing-type article about a consultancy firm, making no claim to notability, and sourced to routine company listings. Nor are searches finding better; fails WP:NCORP. AllyD (talk) 08:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Great and Lady Soul
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Unsourced, appears to fail WP:MUSICBIO; I can't find any significant coverage of this band. Apparently signed to a major record label, but only released two singles and no albums; no other claim of notability. Lennart97 (talk) 20:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND. I've never heard of this band, and in 1988, growing up in England as an 18-year-old and listening to music all the time on the radio, I'm fairly confident they wouldn't have passed me by if they had received any attention whatsoever. The fact that they were dropped after two singles which failed to chart, and even before their debut album came out, suggests that press and media interest in them was zero. They don't appear to be mentioned anywhere in back issues of Record Mirror, which as the most pop-orientated of the four major UK music magazines at the time, would have been the most likely music magazine to cover this kind of band. Richard3120 (talk) 17:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Deleting this based on lack of coverage and such to qualify for WP:GNG. If someone wants to "morph" it into something else, I'm happy to userfy for you, just ask.
Thanks everyone for participating in this discussion and assuming good faith. If you disagree with this decision please take it up at Wikipedia:Deletion review versus my talk page. Thanks and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Wes Schroll
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Non-notable WP:VANISPAM with very poor references barely mentioning the subject's name. A fabulous fail of the google search smell test. Can you say "paid spammer"? db'd, prod'd, and had a fight with ClueBot and a couple of editors (admins?). WTF Wikipedia? Such an obvious case of vanispamcrutisement and we need to go to the high court about this? Weregerbil (talk) 19:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)}}
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- Keep. Notable person, even if the creator had a COI (and we don't know that they do). I fixed the titles in the references; evidently the creator thought that "title" referred to the publication's name rather than the article's title. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Keep. (changed to Morph, below) Not sure why this is considered vanity cruft. It passed the "Google search smell test" for me. There are plenty of references from Wall Street Journal, Reuters, Business Insider, and others. They mention the company Fetch Rewards, which doesn't have a wikipage. As the CEO, it seems plenty of solid publications have recognized him as notable. I could use more elaboration on the rationale for deletion. signed, Willondon (talk) 21:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)- Delete Heavily WP:PROMO and agree about the COI. The author of the page claims the photo of the founder as their own work. Most of the sources talk about his company; the one detailed bio is from a local paper. I'd say WP:TNT and try again with an article about Fetch Rewards which likely passes WP:ORG. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Keep. (changed to Delete, below) I poked through a few references (not all), which were solid and significant coverage, with one exception that I removed. This article may well have been created as a WP:PROMO, but it's factual, and Forbes' top 30 under 30 is not exactly insignificant. -- asilvering (talk) 22:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Asilvering:The 30 under 30 is not a single list; there are 20 categories.[15] So, he got a brief mention as one of 600. It's a datapoint, but doesn't seem to do all that much to establish his notability. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 04:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. This is an AfD on Schroll, not Fetch Rewards: all the sources I can find are about his company, but not actually about Schroll and there is little significant coverage of him. Looking at the sources raised by Willondon – from The Wall Street Journal: "Mr. Schroll dropped out of college to pursue the business"; from Business Insider: "Schroll dropped out of the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 2013 to build the company"; from Reuters: not even a mention of his name. Cycling through the other sources, the two Biz Journals give quotes by Schroll, but don't say anything about him; the Wisconsin State Journal only says he and his partner are "UW-Madison students"; one source is puffery from an alumni magazine; Forbes says "Schroll met his cofounder Tyler Kennedy in college and Schroll dropped out of the University of Wisconsin, Madison to build Fetch in 2013"; Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel says "Wes Schroll founded the consumer loyalty and reward app while he was a business student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 2013 ... He dropped out of college to work on Fetch Rewards full time". That's it. That's before we take into consideration that the community has decided there is no consensus on Business Insider's reliability. So to summarise: we have a couple of sentences from two reliable sources, one halfway-decent-but-local source, and no significant coverage elsewhere. He does not meet the general notability guideline. Passing mentions are simply not enough. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Morph into an article on Fetch Rewards. After seeing the comments above, I can see where the subject Wes Schroll would fail notability guidelines. But it seems there's a lot of information on a subject (Fetch Rewards) that many solid publications deem notable. I suggest that much of the article be used to create an article on Fetch Rewards. Willondon (talk) 04:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Alright, I see the rationale about the company vs Schroll himself being trouble for calling it "significant coverage". But turning this into an article on Fetch Rewards would be laundering the work of a suspected COI editor, who has not responded to this AfD (and so, seems unlikely to do that work themselves). I'm sure everyone else can think of better ways to spend their time. -- asilvering (talk) 04:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
NovaPDF
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No notability. Non-notable software. SL93 (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I just noticed the prior discussion that ended in deletion. I tagged the article for speedy deletion. SL93 (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nothing has happened yet with the speedy deletion tag. That is strange. SL93 (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Declined by admin due to being different from deleted version. SL93 (talk) 02:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete: Nom says it all. Not notable, therefore is unsuitable for encyclopedia inclusion, delete. Justarandomamerican (talk) If you're here to build a encyclopedia, have a nice day doing so! 19:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I found a review that looks like an ad, and a French article that has a short paragraph about it but that lacks much of anything that would be useful in the article. Sources in the article are primary or very poor. Hobit (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. The sources in the article do not establish notability (and the supposed "review" on CNET appears to be a page focused on downloading the software rather than some news piece reviewing it). I can't find anything substantial in a search, nor can I see any reasonable place to redirect this article. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:31, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
FD Iskandar
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Notability concerns. None of the (working) references in the article are independent, and all I find on Google search is press releases. If kept, the promotional tone of the article would need to be addressed. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 18:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment: someone inclined to save this article might try looking on youtube to see if any of the hits there are from solid non-promotional news sources. I tried grabbing archived versions of the references on the wp article to no real success; I basically found the same currently-googleable press release material, just earlier. -- asilvering (talk) 23:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Fails GNG and poor sources. LondonIP (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Chris Sørensen (footballer, born 1989)
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Not to be confused with the much more notable Chris Sørensen. No professional appearances listed at SofaScore but there is one minute of football at Super Stats meaning that Sørensen has, at best, a weak presumption of meeting WP:GNG. Searching his name in conjunction with the clubs that he played for brings back no apparent significant coverage of him. Clear consensus that GNG is far more important than any presumption of notability gained from playing one minute of professional sport. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with one or two appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Finding information about this person is quite hard because of Chris Sørensen as mentioned by nom. For example, the normally reliable fbref has combined the information for this Chris Sørensen with the more famous Chris Sørensen (you can see in the 2009-10 row here. It seems unlikely the famous Sørensen was loaned to SønderjyskE for a game and played one minute). While he technically does pass WP:NFOOTY if he truly did play that one minute for SønderjyskE, but that is hard to verify and I still don't feel comfortable !voting for any sort of keep based on one minute of play without a good WP:RS. If sources can be found that I or nom did not find, I'm more than open to change my mind. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 22:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:42, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Burke Slusher
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WP:COI issues since its inception in 2007 and has even been edited by Slusher himself at one point. This explains why this article is currently a CV rather than an encyclopaedia article. Content issues aside, this also has WP:NFOOTBALL concerns as the subject only seems to have, at best, been an assistant coach in a semi-pro league. The only somewhat decent coverage is on his USL Soccer profile page. Everything else is either insignificant or non-independent. ProQuest and Google News come back with nothing. Google itself is filled mostly with Wikipedia mirrors. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 17:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:GNG as there appears to be no SIGCOV for the subject. GauchoDude (talk) 19:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete definite failure of WP:GNG. --Paul McDonald (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, does not meet any Wikipedia guideline. Geschichte (talk) 09:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete – I cleaned up the infobox to make it even more abundantly clear that he fails NFOOTY. Also fails GNG as per nom. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Arvid Maciej Slusarczyk
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Amateur footballer who has only played at a very, very low level in Poland and Sweden. Fails WP:NFOOTBALL due to only playing at amateur level and WP:GNG due to lack of coverage in Swedish and Polish searches. Also tried a search using Maciej instead of Arvid with no success. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 17:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - as stated in this thread. most teams he played for dont even have wiki pages as well.Muur (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. The Swedish clubs are basically fully amateur level. Nothing wrong with that, but outside of the purpose of Wikipedia. Nicely ambitious article though. /Julle (talk) 19:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Real Victoria Carmen
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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG and cannot find WP:SIGCOV or WP:VER from any primary or secondary source. Team never competed above the fourth level nor in a national cup competition. --dashiellx (talk) 16:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete fails WP:GNG and doesn't meet WP:NFOOTY either as never played in a high enough division or national cup. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:50, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 17:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Roxboro, Washington
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Searching is impossible, but this was clearly a station on the now abandoned Milwaukee Road line, and the grain elevators are still standing next to where the track was. No evidence of a town. Mangoe (talk) 16:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - No credible reason to believe this place was ever legally recognised, no evidence that it would ever pass WP:GNG. FOARP (talk) 14:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:49, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Anuranga Walpola
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As far as I can see, falls short on WP:NRU and WP:GNG. A WP:BEFORE search was attempted and yielded only a passing mention in Daily News and another in Sunday Observer. Full source analysis to follow. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:NRU with no notable professional or international appearances, and as nom very well explains there isn't enough to pass WP:GNG either, not seeing a suitable WP:ATD either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Sheham Siddik
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The Sri Lanka Rugby Championship and Asian Schools Rugby Championships don't seem to count towards WP:NRU and Sri Lanka isn't listed as a High Performance Union either. There is no evidence that he ever played for their senior team anyway. References to date consist of two passing mentions and one very brief death announcement, which is short of WP:GNG's clear requirements. I found nothing better in a WP:BEFORE search. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 16:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:NRU, and while their is coverage of his passing it's not particularly in depth and not enough for a WP:GNG pass. Not seeing a suitable WP:ATD here either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per the always diligent Spider 1. Geschichte (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Weber, Washington
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First place I look at in Washington state, and it appears to be Mr. Weber's farm. It's not even clear whether the post office was there, as a 1926 topo shows a second Weber to the southwest which appears to be a station on the railroad, a common location for a post office. The place names origins book calls it a "town", but the track record on that isn't good: these books are pretty accurate when they say something isn't a town, not so good when they say it is one. At any rate all the aerials I found show the same farm that's there today, right up against the road. Mangoe (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - No credible reason to believe this place was ever legally recognised, no evidence of any significant coverage by reliable sources. FOARP (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Reza Seyf Ahmadi
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The article has been in place for over 2 years and Ahmadi has still not made their debut. According to Soccerway, SofaScore and BeSoccer, his career has consisted of sitting on the bench once as an unused substitute. FlashScore has nothing.
Nothing in the Persian article indicates notability and searches of "رضا سیفاحمدی" yield only passing mentions like Varzesh3, which fail to meet the standards required for WP:GNG. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Without prejudice to change vote to Keep if significant coverage is later found. For my search, I was unable to find WP:SIGCOV for the subject, noting that someone with searching skills for Iranian/Persian sources might uncover things I was unable to. Until that point, my vote stands as delete. GauchoDude (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom --Mardetanha (talk) 11:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete looks to fail WP:GNG, and no evidence they'll actually make any appearances anytime soon. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Hindu astrology. The most substantive "keep" opinions have been rebutted, and the others offer scant evidence of notability, only assertions. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Gandanta
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Fails WP:GNG due Lack of coverage in independent general media. Terminology from Fringe topic and violates WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Given source is book on WP:FRINGE theory (pseudoscience WP:PSCI). Venkat TL (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. Not FRINGE, but rather an integral part of Vedic astrology. Not a dicdef either so that rationale fails. Meets GNG as showm by sources;
- Light on Relationships: The Synatry of Indian Astrology [16] covers it over three pages
- An Analysis of Longevity [17] discusses it over three pages and elsewhere in the book
- Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India [18]] discussed over multiple pages
- Nakshatras: The Stars Beyond the Zodiac, [19]
- SpinningSpark 15:00, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- These books/publishers are neither WP:Mainstream nor independent of the subject (astrology), they are books on WP:FRINGE theory (Jyotisha i.e. Hindu astrology). Such sources cannot be used to gauge WP:GNG. Only those aspects with coverage outside the WP:NFRINGE sources are notable and this is not. Please see the old discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trikasthanas (astrology). Venkat TL (talk) 15:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- How are you determining what is mainstream in astrology? It is as ridiculous to reject a book on astrology in an astrology article as it would be to reject a book on physics in a physics article. Reliable sources on science topics are written by scientists, reliable sources on astrology topics are written by astrologers (unless we're discussing evidence for whether it actually works or not). SpinningSpark 16:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- "The idea that we should accept books about astrology written by astrologers because we accept books about physics written by physicists is not tenable. Physics is a generally accepted mode of inquiry with clear standards for truth and falsehood. Astrology is not." I request you to read the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trikasthanas (astrology). I could not explain it any better. In short, There is no mainstream in astrology. Only those aspects of Astrology that are covered in mainstream media (not related to astrology) are relevant enough to be covered on Wikipedia. And this is not one. Hence my nomination. Please read WP:NFRINGE too. Venkat TL (talk) 07:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- How are you determining what is mainstream in astrology? It is as ridiculous to reject a book on astrology in an astrology article as it would be to reject a book on physics in a physics article. Reliable sources on science topics are written by scientists, reliable sources on astrology topics are written by astrologers (unless we're discussing evidence for whether it actually works or not). SpinningSpark 16:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- These books/publishers are neither WP:Mainstream nor independent of the subject (astrology), they are books on WP:FRINGE theory (Jyotisha i.e. Hindu astrology). Such sources cannot be used to gauge WP:GNG. Only those aspects with coverage outside the WP:NFRINGE sources are notable and this is not. Please see the old discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trikasthanas (astrology). Venkat TL (talk) 15:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep There are really enough results in Google Books that make this subject notable. Shankargb (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Notable per WP:GNG and does not violate Wp:FRINGE Lunacats (talk) 16:32, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak delete. I see no out-of-universe coverage, with the possible exception of [20], published by Arkana Publishing, an imprint of Penguin. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 01:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NFRINGE. If it’s “an integral part of Vedic astrology” it could perhaps be covered at Hindu astrology. Brunton (talk) 11:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete An "integral part" of a fringe subject is a fringe subject, and the available sources are not up to the standard we need for writing about such a topic from an outside, encyclopedic perspective. Sources have to be reliable in order to count towards GNG, and the Google Books results are particularly unimpressive in that regard. XOR'easter (talk) 16:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the Arkana Publishing book mentioned above: the authors call themselves the
only Westerner ever to become a licensed Ayurvedic physician
and someone whohas been studying and practising Vedic astrology since 1968
. It's very definitely in-universe, not a view from outside. XOR'easter (talk) 00:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the Arkana Publishing book mentioned above: the authors call themselves the
- Delete From what I see on those books listed above ('kid born in ... is bad for himself or family'), this'll fail WP:MEDRS --Hemanthah (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:GNG based on the sources linked by Spinningspark (talk · contribs). SailingInABathTub (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Stub-ify per my vote at the other AFD, Glossary of Hinduism is not a good merge target and Glossary of Hindu astrology is a redlink. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 02:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- 力 Powera we are here to discuss the notability of the article. If the topic fails to garner more than a passing mention then it clearly fails Wikipedia's notability criteria. That is a sign to delete. See WP:NOTDICT. Stubify is not listed as an option on WP:AFDR, because anyone can restore back the gibberish as had been done at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atmakaraka. Even to be kept as a stub, the topic has to qualify the notability criteria. Venkat TL (talk) 09:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge to Hindu astrology. To the extent that there is any content here, it belongs as a couple of sentences in the general treatment - where its status as a pseudo-science is clear - not as a stand-alone article without appropriate context. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with VenkatTL's reply to SpinningsPark, and we are not a dictionary. I request the closing administrator to weight the editorial experience of the participants. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- It's a plausible search term, so it shouldn't be a redlink. Encyclopaedists are educators, and we have a basic duty to debunk this kind of rubbish. I mean, Wikipedia isn't Snopes, but we do have to cover fringe topics in order to protect people from woo and disinformation. If it's not notable enough for its own article, we should redirect it to Hindu astrology and add a couple of lines to that article.—S Marshall T/C 14:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is no such basic duty. Moreover it will be impossible to debunk stuff which the mainstream media believes is not worth talking about. Lack of reliable sources is the concern. Venkat TL (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, it is not for Wikipedia to tell people what they should and should not believe. Our function is to provide factual information. It is a fact that astrology exists, it is a fact that a lot of people follow it, and getting to the relevant point, it is a fact that "gandanta" is a feature of Hindu astrology. Wikipedia can, and should, quite legitimately report that fact. There is really no need for all the hand wringing about it all being just a heap of nonsense. It is, but that's not our concern – soap operas and pokemon cards are nonsense as well, but we don't feel the need to have to constantly point that out to our readers. SpinningSpark 13:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Your opinion flies in the face of WP:NFRINGE, WP:Fringe theories and WP:MAINSTREAM. I suggest you read them. Venkat TL (talk) 13:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not really. MAINSTREAM is an essay so I'm going to ignore that. NFRINGE defines fringe as an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. The particular field this belongs to is astrology. I don't think this departs from the mainstream view of astrology at all. So that leaves NFRINGE, but even if it fails that, it should still be merged somewhere per WP:PRESERVE and not deleted. One can't define mainstream as "scientifically valid" unless one wants to delete all articles on religion as well. If we allow articles on major religions, and sub-articles on their concepts and ceremonies, then their is no objective reason not to treat astrology in the same way. SpinningSpark 17:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Disagree on all points. Why are we not preserving the the Anti Vaxxer BS (in their POV) and loads and loads of QAnon BS (in their POV) by the same logic? Millions of people believe in them too. In any case, this fails Wikipedia's WP:GNG. Venkat TL (talk) 17:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Strawman argument. I haven't argued anywhere for preserving astrologers' (or anyone's) POV. SpinningSpark 17:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- You are using Strawman too. Right from your first comment you have argued for using Astrology Books to gauge notability of astrology topics. That is the same as using Antivaxxer / QAnon blogs, for gauging notability of Antivaxxer/QAnon topics for Wikipedia. This article in question covers Astrology in Astrology POV using Astrology books. Venkat TL (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Strawman argument. I haven't argued anywhere for preserving astrologers' (or anyone's) POV. SpinningSpark 17:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Disagree on all points. Why are we not preserving the the Anti Vaxxer BS (in their POV) and loads and loads of QAnon BS (in their POV) by the same logic? Millions of people believe in them too. In any case, this fails Wikipedia's WP:GNG. Venkat TL (talk) 17:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not really. MAINSTREAM is an essay so I'm going to ignore that. NFRINGE defines fringe as an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field. The particular field this belongs to is astrology. I don't think this departs from the mainstream view of astrology at all. So that leaves NFRINGE, but even if it fails that, it should still be merged somewhere per WP:PRESERVE and not deleted. One can't define mainstream as "scientifically valid" unless one wants to delete all articles on religion as well. If we allow articles on major religions, and sub-articles on their concepts and ceremonies, then their is no objective reason not to treat astrology in the same way. SpinningSpark 17:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Your opinion flies in the face of WP:NFRINGE, WP:Fringe theories and WP:MAINSTREAM. I suggest you read them. Venkat TL (talk) 13:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- That's right, it is not for Wikipedia to tell people what they should and should not believe. Our function is to provide factual information. It is a fact that astrology exists, it is a fact that a lot of people follow it, and getting to the relevant point, it is a fact that "gandanta" is a feature of Hindu astrology. Wikipedia can, and should, quite legitimately report that fact. There is really no need for all the hand wringing about it all being just a heap of nonsense. It is, but that's not our concern – soap operas and pokemon cards are nonsense as well, but we don't feel the need to have to constantly point that out to our readers. SpinningSpark 13:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is no such basic duty. Moreover it will be impossible to debunk stuff which the mainstream media believes is not worth talking about. Lack of reliable sources is the concern. Venkat TL (talk) 06:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per Modest Genius. There is not enough content on Google Books to pass WP:SIGCOV. However, the content does fall within the scope of Hindu astrology and should be included on that page per WP:FAILN. Heartmusic678 (talk) 14:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Hindu astrology per those above. There is enough content to support a mention, and we should describe what the word means, but this is not an independently notable topic. BD2412 T 20:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 14:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Andrea Pason
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Fails WP:GNG and politician-specific guidelines due to a lack of independent or in-depth sources. User:Namiba 14:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom and my own research, which finds insufficient support in independent and reliable sources for WP:BASIC or WP:NPOL notability. Beccaynr (talk) 15:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:NPOL with no obvious redirect target. KidAd • SPEAK 17:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Her husband, Greg Pason, might be notable, but there's nothing here to support her claim of notability, nor could I find anything more in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Does not pass WP:NPOL criteria. Jaxarnolds (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Euri González
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Non-notable boxer who fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOX. This and this are the closest things to SIGCOV I can find, which isn't much. JTtheOG (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - former Dominican Republic national pro champion and also the World Boxing Organisation Inter-Continental Welterweight champion which is a world ranking title. --HuntGroup (talk) 18:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't believe he was the WBO inter-continental welterweight champion, despite what BoxRec says. Boxrec also shows a fight for that title, listed as vacant, 10 days later between Antonio Margarito and Golden Johnson. Stronger evidence still that the fight was likely for the Latino title (which does not meet WP:NBOX) not intercontinental, is from the WBO rankings themselves. In its 2007 world rankings [21], the October 2007 rankings show no Latino (Latino-Int is different) champion and no intercontinental champion. The November 2007 rankings show Gonzalez as the Latino champion and Margarito as the intercontinental champion. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep As I explained above, I don't believe he was the WBO intercontinental champion (at least the WBO records don't show it). However, he was ranked 8th in the world by the WBO in November, 2007 and that is sufficient to meet WP:NBOX. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - World Boxing Organisation Latino and Inter-Continental champion, Dominican national champion and also a PanAm games bronze medallist. --Donniediamond (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 15:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Stephen Byram
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No significant coverage. Non-notable graphic designer. SL93 (talk) 04:33, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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- delete I can't find any references to the subject beyond confirmation that he is a graphic designer. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have fixed the citation to eye magazine so editors can now read that article and added two books that include coverage of his work to a bibliography. Note: The books are listed at https://sva.edu/faculty/stephen-byram, but I have not been able to access them, so I don't want to use them as citations before I can read them. Vexations (talk) 12:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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- More sources I'm unsure about notability, but I searched for "Stephen Byram Album Covers" and found sources that speak about his work for Beastie Boys[22] and Slayer [23]. That 2nd source described Stephen Byram as a "renowned designer" and that Slayer hiring him was a "stroke of genius". So, maybe hold off a bit and more research before deleting? -- Bob drobbs (talk) 05:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete fails WP:BIO. Gnews confirms he's designed some things but not indepth coverage of him as the subject. LibStar (talk) 00:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Harry Egipt
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Probably fails WP:SIGCOV. I finded only one biographical sentence in EFIS Estopedist1 (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Per book coverage and this. SL93 (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep. A decent reference from ERR here, some articles in Postimees (here and here) and Õhtuleht (here, here, here, here and here), article in Kroonika (here), interview in Eesti Ekspress (here). Not too substantial, but enough to warrant an article, IMO. ExRat (talk)
- Keep - enough sourcing to support notability. Ingratis (talk) 19:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, as the book sources and articles show notability.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
ABN Assets
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Hello! I wanted to give you some more information on ABN Assets. They are an active scam community that are impersonating ABN AMRO, a legitimate financial institution. They message people on facebook trying to get victims to send cryptocurrency to their website www.abn-assets.com . The entire webpage is fake and I am actively looking to take them down. The Wikipedia page is the first thing that comes up when you google the company and I noticed people have removed the deletion flag on the page. I am not too familiar with how Wikipedia operates, but if you can help me out and get this page taken down it would be greatly appreciated. Just trying to prevent more people from getting scammed. Thank you very much, have a great day. UnrealFinancial (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete the complaints of the AfD nominator may be true. This does seem to be a known branch of scam, see here: [24]. For what it's worth, here too [25]. The current article has only one source, which is definitely talking about ABN AMRO, not about any organisation independent of ABN Amro. Therefore there is no merit in retaining the article ABN Assets, which is either a pointless fork of ABN AMRO or an article sourced to something that it isn't. Someone who knows more than me might even upgrade this to a speedy delete. Elemimele (talk) 16:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- An admin declined the proposed deletion I restored (because the one who removed it is a suspected sock- or meatpuppet). If the stub qualified for speedy deletion, the admin would've done so. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I can't find any sources about ABN Assets after doing a search. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete this does indeed look like a hoax. The company's website says they have £53 billion under management and over 74,000 investors, providing a wide range of financial services including investments. It goes on to link to a Companies House listing [26] which tells a rather different story. The company that registration is for does "Buying and selling of own real estate" and their most recent accounts listed there agree with that - it says the company employs one person and has 14 investment properties worth about £1.3 million. The company "website" does note in the middle of various entries about the company managing billions that in 2019 they changed their registered address to an unremarkable house in Newport, Wales, simply because that's what the Companies House filings show. I bet the Companies House company has nothing to do with the website and the website is just using it to claim credibility. A regulatory authority in Hong Kong [27] also lists them as a "suspicious website".
- Even if it's not a hoax though I can't see any sources to show the company meets WP:CORP, just a few mentions involving ABN AMRO (a completely different and legitimate bank). Hut 8.5 20:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment would recommend closing admin send to WP:HOAXLIST as this article has existed since 8 June 2011 wizzito | say hello! 07:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- That may not be a good idea if they are using the existence of the Wikipedia page to bolster their credibility in any way, they could do the same with a listing there. Hut 8.5 08:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
DeleteWhen I was approached by the person online, they were using wikipedia to prove they were a legitimate financial institution. I noticed they also started a youtube channel [28] with a video uploaded a few days ago. If you guys want to help me take these guys down, please report their youtube channel for fraud. Currently when you google the company, they also have a 5 star rating on trustpilot with positive reviews made all in the same few days. Do your part and leave them a bad review to prevent more people from getting scammed. UnrealFinancial (talk) 09:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)- Administrator note: The above comment is the nominator's second !vote, so I have struck it. UnrealFinancial, while you are allowed to make additional comments, your nomination statement is considered your argument to delete the page. ✗plicit 07:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Regardless of whether they are a scam, there is no coverage of "ABN Assets" that is separate from ABN Amro.--Mvqr (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find coverage that says that they are a scam, so I can't make any judgement on that front. Regardless, I don't see anything indicating that the company passes WP:ORGCRIT and I see no real place to redirect this. I'd be OK with salting if there's good evidence that this is a scam. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. While WP:NFOOTY is generally a lower bar than WP:GNG, meeting it nonetheless requires evidence from sources reliable enough to satisfy WP:V. There is consensus that such evidence is absent here. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Nidal Fadlallah
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The only source that mentions her is the squad list of the called up players for the 2021 Arab Cup. There is no mention of her actually playing a game; she could have just been an unused substitute. Nehme1499 17:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 20:04, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - There is an issue here, sources on articles from Sudan would be difficult to get, we need to take time and crosscheck if these articles were just created.@Nehme Anyway I came across their starting eleven in Arabic from their match against Tunisia. [29], [30].Ampimd (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Due to the comment I stated above, I vote that it should be kept. نضال is the arabic version of Nidal, per the search I have done, the name Nidal and the arabic name matches. [31] per this as well, the image of Nidal in the article matches with Nidal on the starting line-up. Ampimd (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think a social media post with "Nidal" is enough, nor is us matching the face with another post. For now, I don't think the article should be kept. Hopefully database websites (namely Global Sports Archive) will add her, so we can verify that she has indeed played a senior international game. Nehme1499 17:23, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is no database on the 2021 Arab Women's Cup even from Global Sports Archive. Yeah but that does not mean that the person does not meet NFOOTBALL. This is not the first time a social media post has been used to verify a statement. Once I have got an some information that verifies that's the person, that's my vote. Ampimd (talk) 17:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- The competition itself is there, just not the match details (for now); they'll probably add them in the near future. Nehme1499 17:42, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL per playing for her national team - see comments above. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:55, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Per discussion above and acknowledging that definitive sources are difficult to come by, it seems extremely likely that this footballer has played for her national team and therefore meets WP:NFOOTY. Seany91 (talk) 09:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't understand this argument. Just because it's difficult to find sources, doesn't mean we should lower our standards. A Facebook post with "Nidal" is anything but a reliable source to prove that the player has played at the international level. Nehme1499 09:20, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- It's also important to note that NFOOTY doesn't superseed GNG, which this article does not satisfy at all. Nehme1499 10:10, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: i recently add the official squad starting list for 2 match pub by sudan official federation. Amara94 (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nehme1499 where is Nidal mentioned in these new sources? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Amara94 uhm, why did you sign with my own signature?? Nehme1499 15:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- sorry i m still neew here so if yo check facebook and tweeter you find her in arabic langage نضال" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amara94 (talk • contribs)
- There is a lot of unsourced info in the article. Where did you find her date of birth, or the fact that she is an attacking midfielder? We are basically dealing with an article whose notability depends on a Facebook post that says "Nidal". I can't see how this is enough to confer notability. Nehme1499 16:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- sorry i m still neew here so if yo check facebook and tweeter you find her in arabic langage نضال" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amara94 (talk • contribs)
- Amara94 uhm, why did you sign with my own signature?? Nehme1499 15:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nehme1499 where is Nidal mentioned in these new sources? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I agree with Nehme's concerns. While it's likely that there is a 'Nidal' from the social media posts, we essentially have an unsourced BLP here that clearly violates WP:V and WP:NOR - these are Wikipedia policies and therefore supersede any essays and even any guidelines. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Wikipedia should err on the side of verifiability, meaning that we shouldn't reiterate what a barely intelligible source says and massage it into what could possibly be the reality, because we have some urgent need for this particular page. It doesn't hurt to wait a bit until a more unequivocal source surfaces. Geschichte (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:V; all living people should have at least one reliable source verifying at least one statement from the article. WP:NOR also applies; the entire article, from top to bottom, is the creator's own original research and we have no way of confirming whether any of it is correct. I believe that these two policies supersede any guidelines or essays that people may attempt to use to keep this article. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Facebook posts in no way count toward notability, and the mere existence of a player who might have been capped at a national level does not overcome our requirement for actual coverage. A region's football players may be undercovered on wiki because their media have other priorities; enforcing our expectation of notability based on how much attention players in the West get doesn't suddenly conjure up encyclopedic biographical material. JoelleJay (talk) 19:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Joe Rogan. No prejudice against merging some of the content. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Joe Rogan: Talking Monkeys in Space
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Been a stub for 10 years, not notable, fails WP:GNG. No articles link here except navigation bar Template:Joe Rogan, making it effectively an orphan.
Content should be placed into Joe Rogan, if appropriate. Re-point the associated redirects Talking Monkeys in Space and Talking Monkeys In Space to Joe Rogan. Platonk (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep Stub and orphan are not valid deletion reasons. It can be de-orphaned if linked from Joe Rogan or another article. Aside from that, the topic does seem to meet GNG judging by the sources in the refs section, but not by a lot. Not opposed to a merge however. Waddles 🗩 🖉 21:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Joe Rogan. Insufficient independent notability for a standalone article. Polyamorph (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge with Joe Rogan: Although it might technically meet GNG, it probably would serve better if it was merged. The references and external links have more content than the actual article. bop34 • talk • contribs 13:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge with Joe Rogan. The article is only a very short one and does not contain much information, and a merge should not be difficult. If, as the nominator says, the article has been a stub for ten years, it seems unlikely it will be expanded. YTKJ (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge with and/or redirect to Joe Rogan. There is enough sourcing to write about it underneath Rogan's page, but I don't think it's quite notable enough for its own page owing to the relative dearth of coverage. The current page doesn't have much material to begin with, so writing the material on Rogan's biography page from scratch might be better than merging outright. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Khaas Re TV
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non notable Youtube channel. Advertisement of a non notable Youtube channel. References do not show notability of the channel. Lack of siginificant coverage from independent reliable resources. DMySon (talk) 12:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Even if it were notable, it would have to be TNTed. It's littered with spammy external links.
WaddlesGobbles 🍂 🦃 22:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Delete No coverage in WP:RS. Behind the moors (talk) 15:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: To me all references looks like PR articles. Eevee01(talk) 18:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Maxblizz
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Despite claims of notability due to being in the same league as Deadline Hollywood and Collider, which allows this to escape WP:A7, I'm not seeing anything towards WP:GNG or WP:NWEB. I could not find any in-depth coverage from a reliable and independent source. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete Advert/Promotion WP:G11 Onmyway22 talk 11:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional content. Mann Mann (talk) 16:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NWEB. Also, there is not a single realiable source. Own website and the youtube channel link. Behind the moors (talk) 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the first person and peacock words are a give-away: conflict of interest editing that might merit a speedy delete. W Nowicki (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't qualify WP:NMEDIA. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:G11. This is a non-notable enterprise. Additionally, this article seems to well be written as if it were the company's own website, using first-person to describe the company's vision and office location. I'd honestly not be surprised if there were copyvio in there as well. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Update: half of the article comes verbatim from the company's website. I've tagged the related revisions for revdel. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Consensus is clear. BD2412 T 01:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Marissa Lenti
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Is this voice actor's article sufficiently sourced? —S Marshall T/C 11:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Apologies for any offence caused. At the time, the article had lots of instances of labelling Lenti as an 'actress'. This threw me, hence the erroneous tag. I've changed 'actress' to 'actor' now as this is clearly Lenti's preferred term and also appears to be standard practice for similar cases. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- +There also isn't any specific tag re: gender for a variety of reasons, and why the article was written (at least to start) as Actress - but that's not the reason for this review - so tl;dr - don't stress about it. That's on me for not being more confident in my editing. I'll leave a comment addressing the AfD overall shortly. Canadianerk (talk) 14:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for any offence caused. At the time, the article had lots of instances of labelling Lenti as an 'actress'. This threw me, hence the erroneous tag. I've changed 'actress' to 'actor' now as this is clearly Lenti's preferred term and also appears to be standard practice for similar cases. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment - Please note upfront, any unaware eyes, that I was the person who initiated the deletion review, and rewrote a significant portion of the article - and restored the article to mainspace. So, please view my comments through those lenses as you will. That aside - concern over the sourcing was just resolved in the talk page, leaving me more than a tad confused. The discussion was initiated when a wikipedian blanked all twitter/facebook sources, and the end result/consensus (from my understanding, at least) was that a good chunk of sourcing was not ideal, but leaving the maintenance tag was an acceptable compromise. Now - why I'm commenting before voting - I need to know if you already read that discussion S Marshall, and whether you were dissatisfied with the result, and preferably an answer why this couldn't have been discussed further there, and required an AfD. I am more than willing to - if necessary - elaborate on my defense from there if necessary, or rephrase/repeat for clarity, but need to know that upfront, before starting my Oppose defense. Canadianerk (talk) 14:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yes: I have read the deletion review and the concern about sourcing on the article's talk page which you characterize as "resolved". I differ from you about that. With all due respect, this concern clearly isn't resolved. It is not okay to source biographies of living people to Twitter. But my starting point is that I'm not convinced we should have a standalone article about Lenti at all. The matter would be clear if they passed the thresholds at WP:NACTOR or WP:ANYBIO but they do not, and I'm not seeing the level of reliable sources that would justify a pass of WP:BASIC. So I've nominated this at AfD for others' views. I'm looking for clear evidence of notability here.—S Marshall T/C 15:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment are you requesting that the article be deleted for lack of notability? Discussing the subject's gender preferences should be on the regular talk page. Same with content within the article, whether certain entries should be included/excluded in the subject's filmography. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm expressing a general concern about the article's sources. In terms of Wikipedian rules, this amounts to both WP:N and WP:V. In terms of WP:V I'm saying that everything in the article is "challenged", so if it isn't given an inline citation to a reliable source, I may remove it after the AfD; and in terms of WP:N I'm saying that if I remove everything that doesn't have an inline citation to a reliable source, then what remains doesn't amount to an article.—S Marshall T/C 15:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- In reply to both of your comments, Marshall - per WP:BLPSPS, WP:A&M/RS, WP:FACEBOOK and WP:TWITTER-EL, self published primary sources are useable on Wikipedia, and it's explicitly written in WP:BLP they are to be avoided unless written (and verified to be written) by the subject of the Wikipedia article. They are. In the worst possible scenario for the article's content, where the filmography must be without any twitter sources, there are still 4 lead/main character roles with secondary sources, only losing 1 - still meeting WP:NACTOR. -Canadianerk (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- In comparison to the previous AFD, they now have convention appearances in 2019 and 2021 according to Fancons. https://fancons.com/guests/bio/6738/marissa-lenti I still have yet to see any regular news articles to be written about them though. Can you present some of those? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Can't speak to conventions or their relevance, but I'll provide what info I can about secondary coverage. The closest I got to "regular" news articles are in the article - an interview at a convention with a small (at best) anime outlet and one with voyagedallas. I couldn't find any other interviews that weren't a podcast or a youtube video. They're the basis for the biography section of the article, as English voice actors still (5 years later) really don't get secondary coverage - I've been relying on NACTOR from the deletion review forward. -Canadianerk (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding primary sourcing, you should use secondary first, and then consider primary closing credits, cast announcements (from director or organization), press releases. I would not use Twitter unless the title has the person's name is officially credited in the closing credits without specific role, and then the voice actor is tweeting to clarify their role. If the sole source for the credit is the resume/website/tweet, then hold off from adding those to the table. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I followed the process - went to secondary sources first - ANN, then Funimation blog, etc.
The majorityof tweet sources in the filmography are replaceable with cite episode. That progress began prior to this AfD, in the aftermath of the talkpage discussion. At time of creation, I was not familiar nor comfortable with the cite episode template, so it wasn't something I utilized when initially writing the article. I started learning, motivated by the talkpage discussion, and took a break from Lenti to work on some drafts. I learned the template with practice in draftspace, and already replaced a few cite tweet sources this past week on Lenti, it's in the page history. My approach since across all articles has always been to try to turn to cite episode/av media to avoid tweet sources, because I learned very quickly that there are wikipedians who take serious concern with them. Now, we're here - debating the same issue which can be fairly easily resolved. -Canadianerk (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)- Strikethrough'd "the majority" as that has proven not to be the case. What remains are either not replaceable pending a news article/interview generating a secondary source, or are an anime awaiting a home video release - Link20XX was right in the talkpage comments. I will keep looking, but options to reduce further are limited. -Canadianerk (talk) 10:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- The VoyageDallas one is mostly Q&A primary but it's at least something that wasn't coming from within the production company's media. If you find others, that will help. See Trina Nishimura's article where she did get some external news sources from Dallas and other areas that cover her career. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I did some poking around in local media and found this. I admit I am not familiar with this too much, so I will keep looking. Link20XX (talk) 23:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I followed the process - went to secondary sources first - ANN, then Funimation blog, etc.
- In comparison to the previous AFD, they now have convention appearances in 2019 and 2021 according to Fancons. https://fancons.com/guests/bio/6738/marissa-lenti I still have yet to see any regular news articles to be written about them though. Can you present some of those? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- (Full disclosure: I was involved with creation) Keep I think Lenti clearly meets WP:NACTOR. Lenti has major roles as Yuna (the main character even) in Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear, Shoko Majima in Kokkoku, Chiaki Hoshinomori in Gamers!, and as Alicia Florence in Aria. Disputes about content should be resolved on the talk page rather than AfD. Link20XX (talk) 15:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- According to which independent, reliable sources did they portray these characters? What did the critics and reviewers think about their performance?—S Marshall T/C 00:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't get why you are requiring secondary sources as WP:V just requires a source to verify, but I already found secondary sources so I'm not going to waste my time going down that road. Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear: [32], Aria the Animation [33], Kokkoku [34], Gamers! [35]. Link20XX (talk) 01:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- According to which independent, reliable sources did they portray these characters? What did the critics and reviewers think about their performance?—S Marshall T/C 00:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The subject specific guideline for voice actors and other WP:ENTERTAINERs clearly states they are notable if the person "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;". Link20XX has given clear examples of this. Dream Focus 06:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep (was involved in creation) - seconding Dream Focus and Link20XX. Additional reasoning: This conversation didn't need an AfD - concerns about sourcing can and should have been addressed in other ways. Nominator is arguing for a higher standard than is the norm and making claims which aren't supported by the evidence - policy references to date that have been presented, in my opinion, failed to justify this strict approach. The article can (and will be) improved - and would've regardless of this AfD nomination, the only difference is I'll put all else aside to ensure it happens - starting immediately. -Canadianerk (talk) 09:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- The policy at WP:BLP is clear that I should be very firm on the use of good sources. As an alternative to deletion, I will be content to return this to draft space for you until you have finished sourcing it properly?—S Marshall T/C 10:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate the offer of an alternative, sincerely - but that just isn't a solution that would work if you and anguswolf maintain your positions - especially when what remains are mostly unreplaceable at the moment - I'll address that below. First, anguswolf's point on Lenti's talk page, that there is the very limited exception for use of a tweet source: Pokemon-style credits, where actors are just listed without roles attached - a practice which is increasingly rare and limited, and one which isn't common practice amongst any of the major anime dub producers anymore. In video games, it's more prevalent - but this is a discussion about someone who is primarily an anime voice actor. Even then, it's an exemption which isn't wikipedia nor wikiproject policy, and it only applies to Lenti on possibly one credit - Super Hxeros, which utilizes Lenti's resume for a second character, with a secondary source stating the first.
To illustrate the current status of the Lenti article, I just sorted through every cite tweet/facebook source in the article, and removed all I could find a replacement for. There are 19 left: 3 are for the biography subsection (birthday, pronouns, when Lenti started as a director at Sound Cadence) which shouldn't be an issue at all; 3 sources weren't replaced because I cannot legally access a cast list (if there even is one) without buying something; 3 remain because the home video for those shows aren't out (2/3 have release dates, subject to change); 8 of the sources are likely to remain self credited pending a change in how a company operates (two are mobile games, 6 are tied just to Heroes of Newerth); The Silver Guardian's tweet source wasn't replaced because the english cast wasn't credited in the uncut (home video) release at all; and Konosuba Film's credit cannot be replaced until a home video release is announced and released, which remains up in the air for the foreseeable future.
I maintain that these are not ideal sources, nor ones I prefer, but that they are a necessity if they are going to be credited for these roles on wikipedia, until Funimation, Crunchyroll and others change their practices to post an episode-by-episode complete cast list online, or every anime receives a home video release with full credit. Neither of these are guaranteed, nor necessarily common practice. It also affects the rare but occasional recasts for the home video vs simuldub editions of shows, where if the HV via cite episode is the only source, actors can lose credit from no fault of their own. Funimation used to do the former, but that stopped being a thing awhile ago. If you aren't on the initial castlist for the first episode, you're out of luck until home video release, or forever - that is why it has become so common practice to ensure they self credit. An example - where a reviewer has to guess because they didn't see the tweet from Lenti. If they included with confidence, the only source they could have gotten it from is the voice director, and/or the actor posting on social media - both sources which have been deemed problematic by this interpretation of policy. The likely consequence of implementing this interpretation you are arguing for, appears to be the mass removal of hundreds of credits across the anime and manga wikiproject, and more AfDs like this one - or continued lax enforcement of this interpretation of these policies. All due respect - my naivety is probably in play here - but it's a result I'm not just going to accept at this point in the discussion. A request - if this discussion continues, can you please point to the specific WP:BLPSELFPUB/WP:BLPSPS policy that you believe these sources are violating? Just stating that BLP is violated because it isn't a "good source" isn't something I can discuss nor defend. -Canadianerk (talk) 12:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Sure, let me define what I mean by a "good source" in this context. It's a source with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish only the analysis, views, and opinions of reliable authors, and not those of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves. (I've taken this phrasing directly from WP:REPUTATION.)I can see from what you say above that we're experiencing a fundamental clash of philosophies here. Your position is that there's information that you can't include without referencing Lenti's twitter feed or other similarly low-quality sources, and my position is that material that isn't based on good sources must, and should, be removed from this biography of a living person.I'm fully respectful of the views expressed by you and Link20xx, as the article's authors, and of Dream Focus, but you do need to know that the sources offered so far are way short of the level of reliability that's needed here. Dream Focus has piped up to agree with you, but most Wikipedians who participate in AfD would expect Dream Focus to !vote "keep" on this topic and to opine that virtually any source is adequate. I would urge you to reconsider returning the article to draft space.—S Marshall T/C 14:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to the sources I provided? Because if you are, WP:ANIME/RS considers them reliable after much discussion. Is your only problem the Twitter sources? Because if it is, that can be fixed to an extent, and AfD is not cleanup. Link20XX (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I think I'm justifiably confused. If WP:BLPSELFPUB or WP:BLPSPS aren't violated, then those policies indicate that this sourcing is allowed to be used in the biography of a living person!? -- I'll start with this: "you do need to know that the sources offered so far are way short of the level of reliability that's needed here." That is not true if there is no violation of the aforementioned policies, which deem them as acceptable sources. You're welcome to have an opinion to the contrary, but that is not what is written in the policy. I take no pleasure disagreeing with a veteran wikipedian, but - that is why I keep asking whether they're actually violated or not - I bring up these policies precisely to indicate a willingness for me to learn and take appropriate action on the article. I removed as many cite tweet sources as possible without removing info from the article, to further demonstrate this.Your point that "most Wikipedians who participate in AfD would expect Dream Focus to !vote "keep" on this topic and to opine that virtually any source is adequate", and that Link20XX and myself are expressing a different philosophy doesn't change what is Wikipedia policy and what isn't. I agree to some extent - I think it's clear we have our differences. We agree they aren't preferable sources. But Dream Focus and Link20XX cited NACTOR as their reason for keeping the article - while I 100% agree with that, I think I've put a fair amount of time and effort into trying to understand your view, and repeatedly asking for the policy which endorses your perspective, and sought additional reasons to keep the article. Instead, you're citing WP:REPUTATION - a consequences of sockpuppeting article? The redirect you linked specifically discusses "SPI" (Sock Puppet Investigations), I couldn't find anything related to what you're saying - there is no mention of primary sources in that article. You're claiming that a tweet from x actor states that they play x character in x show, requires interpretation, and their use indicates that Wikipedians using them are violating original research/interpretation rules? -How? My comment above was an overly long explanation why I believe there's often no good alternatives to self-published primary sources in these cases, and that I believe that their removal needs to be justified by policy, not opinion - not just leaving the credit locked off of wikipedia because of the whims of companies. I've argued that they should be evaluated based on WP:BLPSPS and its sibling shortcut - that is it. It is not my opinion that X was cast in y role, it's an opinion formed based on my understanding of the policy. I'm confused why that triggered this response, unless you're intending to accuse me of something. I've intended from the start to operate in good faith, which is why I've devoted the time to expressing my understand of policies, held off voting for awhile to give you some time to express your arguments, and have asked multiple times to hear about how these sources violate WP:BLPSELFPUB or WP:BLPSPS. And now, if there is a violation, why is it so serious that the whole article should be deleted or returned to drafts? If you aren't going to argue based on the relevant policy, I don't see a reason to change or soften my position - that the article should stay where it is, as it is. Nor am I going to accept being threatened, whether with a sockpuppet accusation, or that myself and others are posting our own opinions within mainspace articles. -Canadianerk (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Please don't feel attacked. I'm questioning the sources in an article. I have not questioned your integrity or that of anyone else, and for the avoidance of doubt, I make no accusations or allegations about sockpuppetry, conflict of interest, UPE or bad faith editing of any other kind. I do think Dream Focus has a history of poor editorial judgment at AfD, but I think he's in good faith. I don't know what's hard to understand about WP:ANYBIO.—S Marshall T/C 16:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I am well aware of WP:ANYBIO, though WP:NACTOR is also a valid SNG, which this person has been shown to meet, thus whether they meet ANYBIO is irrelevant. Link20XX (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- It is my understanding that anybio is one of several additional criteria under WP:NBIO. "People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards" - including WP:ANYBIO. If Lenti meets WP:NACTOR, none of the additional criteria in that section - including anybio - are necessary. I'd assume it helps if multiple additional criteria are met, but NACTOR is arguably met. If you wish to dispute that, there are at least 5 credits which are arguable to count towards NACTOR: Yuna in Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear, Shoko Majima in Kokkoku, Chiaki Hoshinomori in Gamers!, Alicia Florence in Aria the Animation and Moze, one of 4 playable characters in Borderlands 3. If your position on sources remains and you wish to pursue it instead, again, while I appreciate you took the time to quickly respond to my concern about your comment alleging something, you still haven't addressed whether the sources violate WP:BLPSPS, and why it is such a significant violation that the article should be deleted. Without either of those arguments, I have no reason to change my mind - I'll repeat again, I'm open to doing so. I'm not going to keep asking you to demonstrate, or at least provide some arguments that the specific policies are violated. If you can't or won't do that, there's little point continuing this AfD, unless someone else wishes to chime in and argue either of those points. -Canadianerk (talk) 17:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notability A topic is presumed to merit an article if:
- It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG) listed in the box on the right;
- The subject specific guideline for people is at Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria reads People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. And then shows categories for different things. Under WP:ENTERTAINER it shows what makes voice actors notable, as I just stated. I have been in enough AFDs over the years for voice actors to know this is always the case, they are kept if they have major roles in notable series. If three people say keep for this reason, and you S Marshall are the only one saying delete, perhaps you are the one with "poor editorial judgment at this AfD" not me. Dream Focus 17:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I appreciate the offer of an alternative, sincerely - but that just isn't a solution that would work if you and anguswolf maintain your positions - especially when what remains are mostly unreplaceable at the moment - I'll address that below. First, anguswolf's point on Lenti's talk page, that there is the very limited exception for use of a tweet source: Pokemon-style credits, where actors are just listed without roles attached - a practice which is increasingly rare and limited, and one which isn't common practice amongst any of the major anime dub producers anymore. In video games, it's more prevalent - but this is a discussion about someone who is primarily an anime voice actor. Even then, it's an exemption which isn't wikipedia nor wikiproject policy, and it only applies to Lenti on possibly one credit - Super Hxeros, which utilizes Lenti's resume for a second character, with a secondary source stating the first.
- Keep, as they have had multiple notable roles.Jackattack1597 (talk) 21:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Bruno Palli
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Unable to find significant coverage of this racing driver who apparently only competed in minor series. A Castilian speaker may be able to find offline sources, but for now I do not believe this article's subject meets the WP:GNG. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, only routine coverage. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; fails WP:NMOTORSPORT and GNG. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Branden Lee Oxley
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WP:BLP of a young racing driver who has only competed in very minor series. A WP:BEFORE search returned WP:ROUTINE coverage in this Autosport article, but otherwise most of what came up was either blog posts or Formula Scout (which some editors do not believe should be used to determine notability). HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, no significant coverage to indicate the subject is worthy of encyclopaedic coverage. 5225C (talk • contributions) 02:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Only ROUTINE coverage of a MINOR in non-professional championships. Great care must be taken to ensure significant coverage exists; which the article does not do. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Tarantula Hawk (band)
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Truly awesome name for a band, and from what I can see on YouTube great music too. This article was created in 2008, and given its longevity it would appear to merit an AFD discussion (if only pour encourager les autres as a long-standing article from Wikipedia's elder days). WP:BEFORE done, and fails WP:BAND, WP:GNG and any number of other policies and guidelines. Wikipedia is not Encyclopaedia Metallum, though we sometimes wish it might be. Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 10:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - To make the band's name even more awesome, a tarantula hawk is a real wasp that slaughters tarantulas. Alas, the band of this name is largely invisible, and I can find little beyond basic introductions and directory entries like the one already used at footnote #1. (e.g. [36], [37], [38]) I can find nothing significant and reliable, and they didn't help themselves by calling all their releases Untitled. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Procedural Note - If the band's article is deleted, the hatnote at the top of Tarantula hawk (the insect) should be removed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Doomsdayer. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 05:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Arturo Llobell
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Largely unmaintained WP:BLP of a driver who only competed in minor series. A WP:BEFORE search shows about a paragraph of coverage in El Mundo and little else, so I do not believe this driver meets the general notability guideline. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as failing WP:GNG. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:29, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per 5225C -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 10:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Andrew MacKenzie (racing driver)
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Unable to find significant coverage of this driver who apparently started one British Touring Car Championship race and finished seventeenth. Unlikely to meet the general notability guideline unless some offline sources come up that show this article's subject was in some other way notable. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, a very optimistic attempt at an article. No coverage to speak of, and they only entered one relatively insignificant race without the stunning success that would have drawn the attention needed for an article. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per 5225C. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:46, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Taking into account the deletion review, it is likely that that the article may require cleanup to comply with WP:NOTADVERT; editors are encouraged to continue to improve the article (until all promotional wording issues are resolved). (non-admin closure) — Mhawk10 (talk) 06:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Brusnika (company)
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This was speedily deleted as advertising (WP:G11); Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 November 12 sent it to AfD instead. This is a procedural nomination, I am neutral. Sandstein 09:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. Appears to be notable. I added translation of the reference titles. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral - borderline promotional. Needs work. Deb (talk) 09:54, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - It has improvement opportunities, can be cleaned up and sources available. VincentGod11 (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Alex Portman
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A WP:BEFORE search for this driver returned few sources, with this Daily Sportscar article coming closest to providing significant coverage. The entry for this driver in the Motor Sport magazine database is also decidedly sparse but does at least confirm their date of birth. Unless some offline sources turn up I do not believe this article's subject meets the general notability guideline. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG and notability is not inherited (although his father doesn't seem notable either). His MSM entry is probably sparse because there is little coverage of him. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete; attempts to inherit notability from a borderline-notable Peer. Fails GNG -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 18:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Ugandan Australians
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Very small ethnic/diaspora group. Per this, this and this AFD, these is no need for this page. The page fails WP:NOTEVERYTHING in that it's not encyclopedic with stubs about every possible diaspora group in the world. The sources are about Ugandan Americans. Geschichte (talk) 08:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as failing WP:GNG. The lack of available sources is highlighted by the fact that the (terrible; Ugandans struggle with escalators, refrigerators and traffic lights - really?) "demography" section is based largely on a source about Ugandans in North America that doesn't even mention Australia. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 11:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom; this page is nonsense and a non-encylopaedic essay --Whiteguru (talk) 21:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:GNG. As nom points out the sources are about North America. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 03:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Alan Taylor (racing driver)
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Unreferenced WP:BLP of a driver who had a brief career as a backmarker in the British Touring Car Championship. I am unable to find significant coverage of this driver, although my WP:BEFORE searches were admittedly complicated by the fact that there seems to be a motoring journalist by the same name. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nominator's rationale, fails WP:GNG. Very little routine coverage let alone significant coverage. 5225C (talk • contributions) 09:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm having a difficult time even verifying basic biographic info (ie his year of birth). The article says 1956, Motorsport magazine says 1965 and CRASH (which is about the most substantial coverage I could find of him anywhere) says 1966. Older print sources may exist but given his lack of success I'd say that's not likely (and no-one has yet identified any). A7V2 (talk) 23:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
- The article was changed to say their date of birth is 1956 rather than 1966 in October 2017. If so that would seem to be a hoax that has stuck around unchanged for over four years. This reveals another problem with WP:BLPs of such obscure figures. Information can get changed without a source and so long as it isn't the most obvious of vandalism remain unchanged for years. Obviously other hoaxes have been far greater in scale on Wikipedia and have stuck around for far longer, but the problem persists nonetheless. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Extremely weak keep as they have competed in 80% of a season of a professional, nationally important championship. This easily passes WP:NMOTORSPORT in its current iteration. The fact that GNG issues exist is an indictment on the criteria of NMOTORSPORT, however. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 19:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- NMOTORSPORT actually underwent quite a thorough revision recently which changed most criteria. Despite a consensus to implement it, it hasn't actually moved from the talk page to the policy page and now it's been archived. I will prioritise the GNG issues in this case because there's simply no coverage to write an article with. 5225C (talk • contributions) 01:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy delete as part of the mass deletion of articles created by Djoshuau67 (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Dave Jone$
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. No significant coverage from WP:RS currently cited and unable to locate any in my WP:BEFORE. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Speedy Delete. Article has seven refs, of which 4 are to Spotify and two are highly general (a Britannica article on Nigeria and what I think is a location-review-thing-website for the school the person attended according to the article?). Only claim of notability is "
in 2020 gained popularity in his neighborhood with the release of his single which got nominated as 'The Best Street Song' in the Jos Mayor's Awards
." While this claim is sourced, this is only a nomination for an award by a recording label (that according to their website doesn't even have any artists signed with them) and thus unlikely to lead to notability. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Delete: Not notable per the nominator, could be also be Speedy G11 JW 1961 Talk 09:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete with the option to draftify. There's consensus, albeit not the strongest, that the topic is notable, but the article is not in a fit state to be published. Concerns about paid editing have been raised, and remain unresolved. I would be willing to entertain a request for draftification from established editors with no previous history of editing this article, or alternatively from an editor willing to commit to independent review via AfC. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
RattanIndia
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This article is all corporate puffery. The references are churnalism and cannot be used to verify WP:NCORP. It has been draftified once already as corporate puffery and potential COI editing, and passes the duck test as UPE. I would send this back to draft again but that would be move warring and against policy, which is why I have brought it here.
At present the view expressed seems to be that of the corporation with no balancing views
While an article on the entity may be warranted WP:TNT will be required, and any COI/UPE eliminated. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 08:26, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom. The creator who is editing this page since 2015 is declaring WP:COI only in 2021 when he/she has been asked at the talk page. Despite for so long period, the entity fails WP:NCORP also it lacks credibility because it fails to comply with WP:NPOV. Besides that, there is a strong doubt w.r.t. WP:UPE. -Hatchens (talk) 09:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY and WP:CORPDEPTH. Have made significant additions and deletions that I feel should satisfy the concerns raised by others. Expanded on land controversy, added a water allocation controversy and a financial mismanagement incident. Other stuff too! If this still perceives promotional and in favour of company, let me know! Explaining corpdepth now: subject passes WP:CORPDEPTH. The draftified version indeed was full of puffery. But this version is not and I am curious to learn what portions are being perceived as puffery or non-neutral. Happy to further work on those. If the concerns were with WP:NPOV, could have been speedily deleted too though. G11 is a great tool for that. Putting out WP:THREE and few more
- [39], a complete article on the split itself by a staff journalist Jyoti Mukul. There are many more similar articles talking about Indiabulls split. I wanted to cite one in Livemint but I remember livemint is not much of a WP:RS so will stay with Business Standard.
- [40] The Indian Express article discusses the company in context of the Land controversy and how it didn't file the petition and later said it didn't need to.
- [41] Another IE article discussing the state of Nashik Powerplant written by staff journalist.
- [42] A Times of India article on Adani's looking to take over Amravati plant written by staff journalist. I know TOI has no consensus on reliability but while it's not reliable, it's also not non-reliable. In this context, there is independent commentary and it can be considered reliable source.
- [43] This one - I find it pretty much gold standard. There is a complete analysis of the company's solar business and how it is in 'sunset' mode.
- [44] Another controversy talked in Economic Times about finance mismanagement by in house staff writers.
You will find many more sources about the subject if we do a WP:BEFORE. A lot of those are press releases but there are also sources that effectively contributes to notability. Also, if you would search Indiabulls Power, you will again find more. Hope this clarifies. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 13:17, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment A comment on the article creator's Talk page (by Googling the name provided) suggests that they are a senior employee of RattanIndia. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per the nomination, there is too much POV editing and promotional content to salvage the article in it's current form. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
- The content has changed significantly from the point of time it was nominated and hence I referred to WP:HEY. If there are POV problems in current version, please highlight where and those can also be fixed. Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. I have also reworked on it in a way that it is borderline WP:TNT. Also, WP:LISTED. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete I personally believe this article merits to be kept per the last AfD. However, provided the "miraculous AfC approval" by Nomadicghumakkad - I think this article should be deleted - as the nominator argues. Let it be started from a scratch but since UPE is involved, I seek Rosguill's assistance. Is the AfC reviewer as well a part of UPE group? I don't make any accusations but leave this difficult work to Rosguill ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if/when I'm going to be able to take a proper look into this; if you want timely anti-UPE advice I suggest you either contact another editor involved in this work or take it to a relevant noticeboard. signed, Rosguill talk 17:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- If you felt that this was to be kept as per first AFD outcome (meaning you consider that the subject is notable), why would my accept appear Miraculous? As a matter of fact, if we look at first AFD, as per the sources cited there, it won't qualify as WP:CORPDEPTH. [50] North America had highlighted that they had defended the subject in past AFD but guidelines have become stricter and hence, those arguments might not be true any more. And they weren't. I had accepted it after my own assessment of new sources cited and those that I found after searching. Also, COI was already declared and informed by the creator at the same venue. I had also clarified right here that I find the company notable but have problem with WP:NPOV. To that, creator ceremonially added a line which I expanded and accepted. The key pain point here is that folks here feel that the way I expanded, it seemed like I was talking in favour of company. I felt I wasn't and was providing a balanced perspective. And when others raised that point, I expanded further to bring the desired balance. Unsure what else is expected out of me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The subject is notable and the article is acceptable. I would need to investigate the history before making further comments. DGG ( talk ) 05:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC).
- Delete. Coverage appears to be to be superficial. Stifle (talk) 12:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete I agree with others above that the topic company is notable but the fact that there are significant concerns over WP:UPE means that the article contents, choice of language and headings, choice of references, etc, have all been guided and chosen in an underhanded way in order to influence the perception of the topic company. I say WP:TNT and wait. In much the same principle behind notability, if the company merits an article then an uninvolved third party will write one. HighKing++ 08:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The company is significant, and I don't think deletion makes much sense. The article is not particularly extensive, and it should not be too difficult to re-write. Due to its structure, Wikipedia tends to be underweight corporate articles. The problem comes about because most of the pieces about companies are written up by insiders and so inevitably they tend to read like corporate spin, and thus fail the NPOV test. As such, they end up getting deleted eventually. But even though some of the entities are significant enough to warrant an article, once the article on the company is deleted, they are seldom seen again, as the most active Wikipedia editors tend not to be particularly interested in the corporate sphere. Inchiquin 14:23, 10:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep WP:TNT is only valid if it's purely promo or senseless, which is not the case. Sources are valid and this is what afd has to decide.As per WP:ATD remove the line instead of page.Content is helpful but need to twist slightly.Sonofstar (talk) 06:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete :No comments about puffery and other related issues. The entity fails WP:CORPDEPTH according to my analysis. I puts up WP:TNT as the best option. Akevsharma (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Draftify. I intended to close this as "delete", but am convinced by arguments made in the discussion that an effort should be made to salvage the article. However, I also agree with HighKing that we can not allow Wikipedia to be used as an advertising platform, and every aspect of a UPE article is susceptible to manipulation requiring review. BD2412 T 01:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Jalan Pengkalan Utama
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The first AFD was keep in 2013 with the reason being "Appears to be a state-level route". 8 years later and the article is still unreferenced. We can't keep an article for an unverified reason per the policy WP:V. The same editor said, "Sources will need to be found to pass WP:V, but these need not be online sources." True, but we can't just assume that it's a state-level route and that there are offline sources that say such a thing. I don't even think that it's notable if it's a state-level route. WP:5P was mentioned as a reason not deleting the article, but there is Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) which says "International road networks (such as the International E-road network), Interstate, national, state and provincial highways are typically notable." Typically does not mean always and verifiability can not be superseded. SL93 (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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- Move to Draft so if the creator can improve it then it can be published again. I did not find anything about this route. Berantral (talk) 13:51, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Berantral The only issue is that the creator was last active in 2016. SL93 (talk) 14:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Lack of any kind of verification pierces the presumption of notability. — Alalch Emis (talk) 00:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Jobefile
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This article claims that a website was founded by Imran Khan as a Pakistani competitor to Indeed was launched in 2020. I can't find any search results for it on Google News or Bing News. It appears to clearly fail WP:NCORP, while at the same time it's quite possible that the parts referencing the current Prime Minister of Pakistan are either filler meant for later substitution or are a hoax. Regardless, the clear fail on WP:ORGCRIT and the advertorial tone of the page are plenty justification to delete this page. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, possibly G11 Speedy Fails WP:V. Seems promotional enough that G11 could be used here. Jumpytoo Talk 04:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no other delete proposals. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Secret of the Andes (film)
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I have been unable to find significant coverage per WP:NF. SL93 (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep per at least two WP:NFOE criteria. First criterion "The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics.": yes. See at least two articles published by La Nación and El Amante del Cine, cited in Manrupe, Raúl; Portela, María Alejandra (2003). Un diccionario de films argentinos II 1996-2002 (in Spanish). Corregidor. p. 220. ISBN 950-05-1525-3.. Second criterion "The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking." : yes, it won a silver Remi in the 2000 edition of the WorldFest-Houston International Film Festival, the oldest indie festival in the world. See "WorldFest Houston Wraps Up Festival". MovieBytes.com - Screenwriting Contests & Markets Online. Retrieved 2021-11-22. Darius (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, reasons as above. The award should be added to the article. Robina Fox (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Withdraw: I don't consider the award a major award for notability purposes, but I will assume good faith that the two articles mentioned by FarSouthNavy have significant coverage. I suggest that the content of those sources should be added along with the award. SL93 (talk) 16:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Daniel (talk) 00:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Konrad, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen
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Contested prod. Independent, reliable secondary sources are limited to either genealogical directories or trivial mentions in a new story. The equivalent page on German wiki was deleted in 2012, so no trans-wiki expansion is possible. My search terms were "Friedrich Konrad" + "Sachsen-Meiningen", "Saxe-Meiningen", or "Saxony Meiningen". JoelleJay (talk) 05:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, businessperson with no evidence of notability. The "headship of the House of Saxe-Meiningen" seems to be just an internal family affair. The "Succession" section is a borderline BLP violation. —Kusma (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
The Upstairs Downstairs Bears
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Non-notable series, de-prodded based on technical quibbles (yes “no. of edits made by creator” doesn’t matter, but it shows this was a driveby creation by someone whose other edits were limited to adding categories etc.) Dronebogus (talk) 04:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete Yet more non-notable Teletoon 'between full shows' filler remembered by few. TV listings and network sites for the show are unacceptable, and sourcing Teletoon's CRTC program logs is scraping the barrel for any WP:N. Nate • (chatter) 03:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I, for one, remember this show from Minimax. Anyways, this is unnotable. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 05:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Tuskegee Airmen. Daniel (talk) 00:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
William Lee Hill
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Fails WP:BASIC, non-notable Tuskegee Airman, source analysis follows:
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https://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/recent_news/local-tuskegee-airmen-honored/article_46e14451-ace0-5c10-9d79-b833f13c0b8b.html | subscriber only content, unable to assess | ✘ No | ||
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/aerial-victory-credits-for-the-tuskegee-airmen/article_2d982758-69ca-11df-9015-00127992bc8b.html | mere listing of aerial victories only | ✘ No | ||
http://logicalthinker2.tripod.com/Tuskegeeaircraft.html | blog about the planes flown by the Tuskegee Airmen | blog | about the planes flown by the Tuskegee Airmen, not him | ✘ No |
https://www.tuskegee.edu/support-tu/tuskegee-airmen/tuskegee-airmen-pilot-listing | mere listing of graduating pilots | ✘ No | ||
The Tuskegee Airmen: An Illustrated History, 1939-1949 | brief details of his aerial victory and rescue from his plane | ✘ No | ||
https://newspaperarchive.com/other-articles-clipping-dec-25-1943-2821759/ | photo caption and group photo of graduating class | ✘ No | ||
https://www.blackhistory.mit.edu/sites/default/files/media/document/The%20Tuskegee%20%28Weather%29%20Airmen_2006.pdf | 4 sentences, the first of which reads "Little is known about William L. Hill." | ✘ No | ||
https://www.congress.gov/109/plaws/publ213/PLAW-109publ213.pdf | Law relating to the award of the Congressional Gold Medal not about him | ✘ No | ||
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- Delete Doesn't pass GNG or any other standard. Unit notability isn't transferred to individuals. Intothatdarkness 14:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge content into Tuskegee Airmen page (where he isn't independently mentioned). BBQboffin (talk) 23:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy delete per WP:A7 and WP:G11 (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Akalanka Ekanayake
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Does not meet GNG. First ref (a student profile) and third ref (crunchbase) are clearly not independent RS. The second ref (Time Business News) reads as highly promotional, likely just info provided by the subject. MB 03:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete per WP:G11. The individual is clearly non-notable and is using the article as a means of promotion. The first ref (as of [51] this revision) shows that the individual is a chemistry grad student, but is used in a way to try to establish cybersecurity credentials. This is blatant advertising. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 03:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete non notable enough.I can't find WP:RS for this person. Fails WP:GNG. Sonofstar (talk) 06:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - vanity spam Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Chelsea Rustad
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Classic WP:BLP1E candidate; all sources are related to the DNA "witness" aspect of her life, and she doesn't seem to have lasting encyclopedic notability outside that event. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- There are plenty of Wikipedia pages about users with less notoriety and fewer web link references than this, and those pages were maintained as valid upon deletion challenges. There are multiple sources linked in the article from newspapers, magazines, documentaries, books, and other media explaining the public interest in Chelsea Rustad. Suggesting that being a genetic witness in the first case to ever go to trial or result in a conviction, and being featured in an assortment of cited media (and currently being featured in the news cycle) means the person has no notoriety, is subjective and demonstrably false. The original deletion request was submitted by the user SneaselxLv94 who elected to include a bunch of personal insults and sleights about a person he has never met, because he had a public interest in the person he claims he has no public interest about. This is a ridiculous abuse of the deletion request system for the clear purpose of vandalizing an article and trolling other users on Wikipedia. The article should be maintained and the user SneaselxLv94 should be warned and/or banned about vandalizing pages with rude, sexist, and totally unfounded personal insults. Nemesis 03:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikachelsea (talk • contribs)
- WP has many articles that needs to be improved or deleted, it's part of the nature of this place. As time goes on, Wikipedians may get around to it. The WP:OTHERSTUFF argument doesn't help much, WP:BASIC supporting sources does. Number of web link references is not the issue. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Pikachelsea:, do we have this straight, and are you really going with "This is a ridiculous abuse of the deletion request system for the clear purpose of vandalizing an article and trolling other users on Wikipedia" to complain about other people being rude and launching unfounded personal insults? Ravenswing 10:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Ravenswing: Thank you. I am following Wikipedia's guidelines and she says I am trolling her by proposing a deletion of an article about her that violates several policies. Sneasel talk 17:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Why are you refusing to sign your posts correctly? GoodDay (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BLP1E. Also note that, according to the edit summary of [52], the article was created by its subject. CapitalSasha ~ talk 03:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - We should err towards not having an article for a person known only for one event and who is otherwise a private entity. Pikachelsea's hyperbolic ad hominems against NxSB don't help their case a whit, and nor does their forumshopping at AN/I or their whataboutism. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 03:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete clear case of WP:BLP1E and there is no real notability here. Details belong on the page for the case. LizardJr8 (talk) 03:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:BLP1E violation, absolutely, and I agree that Pikachelsea is doing her attempt at self-promotion - including pushing a book she's written about the incident -- no favors by her intemperate personal attacks. Ravenswing 05:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Murders of Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg per WP:ATD. We don't delete BLP1Es, we merge them to the event, giving appropriate weight to the individual's participation in that notable event. In this case, that's not going to be a whole lot, but there is some material here that might reasonably survive in that article. Jclemens (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- ... if there's anything to merge, which there isn't. EEng 11:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete
per WP:BLP1ENot at all notable, fails GNG - no need to merge as the suggested target adequately covers Ms Rustad's involvement in the case with due weight. -Roxy the dog. wooF 06:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)- I'd argue that it perhaps has too much, which would make a merge look a lot like a redirect. But still, no, deletion isn't expected per WP:BIO1E, redirection is. Jclemens (talk) 06:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Changed my rationale. Is that better? -Roxy the dog. wooF 12:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'd argue that it perhaps has too much, which would make a merge look a lot like a redirect. But still, no, deletion isn't expected per WP:BIO1E, redirection is. Jclemens (talk) 06:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, this has the appearance of a vanity article by the subject. Per WP:BLP1E not notable. WCMemail 10:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Vanity autobio by 1E passively involved in a murder case -- her contribution was to swab inside her own cheek and seal an envelope. Here's all you need to know about what's going on here: https://inheritedsecrets.com/ (WARNING: contains weird photo of subject standing on a rock in an incongruously slinky dress that somehow makes her appear to have 10 toes on each foot). Talk about "Notability is not inherited"! EEng 11:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was wondering myself what was "groundbreaking" about Ms. Rustad, as her website claims; DNA from relatives was being used to solve cases a couple decades ago now. Ravenswing 16:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, to be fair, what's been going on for decades is that you have a suspect and (not having their DNA for whatever reason) you look at DNA of their relatives. What's relatively new is the "cold" trawling of these huge databases to find the suspect in the first place. But even that's not new in this case. What's new here, apparently, is this this is the first such case where the accused was stupid enough to go to trial. Big deal.And I've been meaning to say... there's no such thing as a "genetic witness". That's just the catchy title of a book on DNA evidence in general. EEng 19:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- AND ANOTHER THING: This gal's trying to use us to promote her tacky family-tree business: https://wwwDOTfiverrDOTcom/pikachelsea/create-and-research-your-family-tree-on-ancestry . Gimme break. EEng 19:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was wondering myself what was "groundbreaking" about Ms. Rustad, as her website claims; DNA from relatives was being used to solve cases a couple decades ago now. Ravenswing 16:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete self-promotional autobiography created by the article subject. Non-notable, just trying to promote themselves. Fails notability. She's actually not done anything, just did a DNA swab. No achievement here, just a person who happened to be a connecting dot who is trying to milk some fame out of it. Canterbury Tail talk 13:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. As noted above this seems to be a self-promotional autobiography, written by someone who has mistaken Wikipedia for social media. It is unfortunate that the 'anyone can edit' sloganising encourages this sort of misunderstanding, which is far from infrequent, but misunderstandings don't justify inappropriate content. If Ms Rustad wants publicity, she will have to look elsewhere, since the autobiography does nothing to indicate that the subject meets Wikipedia notability guidelines. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - As it's a self-promotional article. GoodDay (talk) 16:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete and then Redirect to Murders of Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg. The name should be a search term, but we should remove this autobiography from the history. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Actually no, not a search term and no redirect. This is a classic example of someone who not only is nonnotable, but who we would not even mention by name in the article on the event in which she was only peripherally involved -- and involuntarily at that [53]. There's nothing to redirect to, nor should there be. EEng 19:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete There are multiple reasons (WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BLP1E) including violations of WP:COI. This is just a vanity article. She is throwing a temper tantrum over my initial proposal for deletion, as if that will make a difference. Sneasel talk 17:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as vanispamcruftisement. XOR'easter (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- It's starting to look a lot like Christmas ... Ravenswing 18:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BLP1E and self-promotional spam. Jip Orlando (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PROMOTION. "Other stuff exists" is no reason to keep an autobiography. Miniapolis 03:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Murders of Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg. Vanispamcruftisement it may be, but it does seem like there is SIGCOV from a few reliable sources. That said, this is irrelevant because the subject is obviously WP:BLP1E. If there were any coverage of the subject unrelated to this event, however, I would say to keep. jp×g 07:34, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- See my earlier post: there's no possibility of even mentioning the subject in the murder article, because we don't name nonnotables who played incidental roles such as winning a free DNA kit, sticking a Q-tip in their mouth, and licking a stamp. So there's nothing to redirect to. EEng 08:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Taking a look at what I can find online: this seems to come fairly close, but is still largely about the one event. jp×g 07:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not even close to an RS. EEng 08:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, a group blog about movies and TV shows (typical headline: "Latest episode of X, explained!") is not material to build a biography with. I suspect it's a press release recycled for clicks. XOR'easter (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Not even close to an RS. EEng 08:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Article has already been speedily deleted by an admin due to it being created in violation of a ban. (non-admin closure) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Raavan (2022 film)
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Non-notable film at the moment. A draft already exists. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Monica Young
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Contested PROD in 2010, 2013 and 2014. Appears to fail WP:NACTOR - only minor roles in television dramas. Little to no coverage in RS. KH-1 (talk) 01:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - despite finding two independent film awards that don't seem to be notable awards, there was nothing else about her that is in-depth. Jaxarnolds (talk) 10:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, nothing notable. Oaktree b (talk) 01:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable with minor awards. SL93 (talk) 03:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Step By Step School, Noida
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Fails to satisfy the requirements of WP:NSCHOOL / WP:GNG, lacks reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The article appears to be entirely based on No original research and advertisement of a non notable school. DMySon (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
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- Redirect to Noida#Education as a reasonable alternative to deletion per WP:CHEAP. Most of the sourcing here is just trivial mentions, and my searching finds only more of the same. There's quite a bit of significant coverage about the food poisoning incident, but I'd consider that to be precisely the sort of ephemeral reporting that WP:NOTNEWS counsels us to ignore. In sum, WP:N isn't met; redirecting to the municipality's article strikes me as a fair response. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As oer nom. The school fails WP:ORG. MickyShy (talk) 03:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Since it's pretty clear from the lack of references that the school isn't notable. Maybe there's enough out there to justify someone creating an article about the food poisoning thing, but if so it should be it's own article. I'm not really seeing anything that warrants a stand alone article about the school itself though. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Gram per cubic metre
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This article was created via the Articles for Creation process. The reviewer rejected the request with the comment "This is a mixed unit - we have grams/cubic centimeter in the CGS system and kilograms per cubic meter in the MKS system. This mixed unit is not needed." The creator of the article, after a long delay, has moved the article from Draft space to mainspace him/herself. This article arose from an attempt to create a series of articles on "UCUM units" that paralleled the SI units articles, without any evidence that such a system of units is actually in use by anyone. Srleffler (talk) 00:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Do not delete This page is only about the unit, not about its reference to UCUM. My talk page itself has a message saying
plus a one-sentence comment in each unit article, stating how that unit is represented in UCUM
. So, this article is also welcome for the comment. Google itself has a large number of hits. Neel.arunabh (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Delete per nom. Random units like this don't merit entries in lists, much less standalone articles. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I still oppose the deletion. See my comment above. Neel.arunabh (talk) 04:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment The notability of this article seems to hinge on the notability of UCUM itself. The US National Library of Medicine claims that UCUM is used by ISO 11240:2012. Is the claim correct? Dondervogel 2 (talk) 09:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I confirm that UCUM is cited by ISO 11240 (as ref 49). That does not prove it is used, but I consider it a good enough reason to delay deletion until we find someone with a copy of the standard. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 09:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete We absolutely should not have articles on mixed units merely to say they are a conceivable combination of units with certain conversion factors, this is absurd. The page's citation has kilogram per cubic meter and milligram per cubic meter in its table, not this. I would delete Gram per cubic centimetre too. Kilogram per cubic metre is enough for density Reywas92Talk 16:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- According to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
- "ISO 11240 Units of Measurement specifies rules for the usage and coded representation of units of measurement for exchanging information about quantitative medicinal product characteristics such as dosage strength.
- The Unified Code for Units of Measure (UCUMExternal Link Disclaimer) is the ISO 11240 compliant standard. FDA receives submissions, for example, that use the UCUM syntax standard for dosage strength in both content of product labeling and drug establishment registration and drug listing."
- For me that confirms the notability of UCUM (and of the g/m^3 as the UCUM unit of
volumedensity). Dondervogel 2 (talk) 16:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)- Counterpoint: if this AfD passes and the article is deleted, we should delete kilogram per cubic metre as well, as equally lacking in notability. PianoDan (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Which means gram per litre should also be deleted then. Neel.arunabh (talk) 19:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed PianoDan (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- If we go down this path, we should also delete Gram per cubic centimetre. I would support that if done consistently. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 20:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see a reason for any of those articles to exist, when Density#Common units is right there and perfectly suited to explaining any nonstandard units that might arise in specialized applications. XOR'easter (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Kilogram per cubic metre at least is a coherent derived unit in an actual system of measurement that people use. Gram per cubic centimetre is as well. We could debate whether that is sufficient for an article, but their claim is stonger than this article's.--Srleffler (talk) 04:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- If we go down this path, we should also delete Gram per cubic centimetre. I would support that if done consistently. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 20:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed PianoDan (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Which means gram per litre should also be deleted then. Neel.arunabh (talk) 19:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Dondervogel 2: I question the assertion that grams per cubic metre is "the UCUM unit of density". If this were an article, I would ask for a reliable source for that statement.--Srleffler (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Counterpoint: if this AfD passes and the article is deleted, we should delete kilogram per cubic metre as well, as equally lacking in notability. PianoDan (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- According to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
I'm tending towards keep as the UCUM base unit of density.Notability (of UCUM) is provided by ISO 11240 and the FDA. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)- Again, WP:RS for this as "the" UCUM unit of density?--Srleffler (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I have no source. If the concept of derived UCUM units does not exist then I withdraw my provisional support for keep. Dondervogel 2 (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Again, WP:RS for this as "the" UCUM unit of density?--Srleffler (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete I fundamentally disagree that the notability of THIS unit hinges on the notability of UCUM. Composite units should stand or fall on their own notability, not just their inclusion in a system. At best, this should just be included in the article on UCUM itself, but even that strikes me as dubious. PianoDan (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The UCUM article could mention that this is the derived unit for density given its choice of base units, but that's a single sentence at most, and possibly not even worth saying on account of being an obvious deduction from the table there. Nothing is clarified by having a stand-alone article dedicated to a "topic" that's barely worth an entry in a list. WP:NOTTRIVIA. XOR'easter (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: is there anything whatsoever that anyone could possibly say on the subject of grams per cubic metre, beyond a mere dictionary definition? Elemimele (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Density of a certain ex-senator from Texas? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, or at worse, redirect to density. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete (nom): I disagree with the assertion made in several places above that the notability of this article hinges on the notability of UCUM. UCUM is a coding system that enables any unit to be encoded in a consistent way, to allow machine-to-machine transmission of data between systems that may use different units. It is not a system of measurement, and no reliable sources have been presented asserting that it is one. Internally, UCUM software uses a meter-gram-second basis for encoding units from various systems of measurement, so that it knows how to convert units from one system to another. There are no specific "UCUM derived units" (see Draft talk:UCUM derived unit). The UCUM Specification does not, as far as I can find, define a system of "UCUM derived units", and does not mention grams per cubic metre as having any special significance. All units, in any common system, can be "derived" in UCUM. This article arose as part of an attempt by Neel.arunabh to create articles and templates for UCUM that parallel the articles and templates on SI. I have not seen any evidence that any human being is using UCUM as a measurment system, or that "derived units" such as grams per cubic metre are of any special significance in UCUM.--Srleffler (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- redirect to Kilogram per cubic metre as those looking for this term should get some result. Delete is a good idea as there is no need for this content. If a redirect, could also have grams per cubic metre (and the more correct meter) as redirects. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Per PianoDan's suggestions, content from all the specific unit articles should be deleted and should all be redirected to Density. Neel.arunabh (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- A redirect would only be necessary if we though any of these were likely search terms. I'm not really sold on the necessity. PianoDan (talk) 07:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Per PianoDan's suggestions, content from all the specific unit articles should be deleted and should all be redirected to Density. Neel.arunabh (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. UCUM is not a system of units. It is a coding system to unambiguously identify units in electronic records and databases, since there is a lack of standardization in labeling units. UCUM has a unique symbol for each unit commonly used in science, engineering, and business. Examples are m for meter and [ft-i] for foot. See the tables here. The system gives examples of how to parse and code combined units such as the one in this article, but the combined units have no special significance. UCUM itself is a notable system and has been adopted by many organizations. See the information from the US National Library of Medicine here. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Digression on UCUM derived units
If there's no such thing as derived unit in UCUM, then what are the implications for Template:UCUM_other_units? Dondervogel 2 (talk) 12:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Add it to the pile of things to delete if this AfD passes: (If we make a complete list here, I'll file the next AfD on the whole pile.)
PianoDan (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- And Template:UCUM light units and Template:UCUM radiometry units next. Neel.arunabh (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Metre squared per second should also be deleted. Neel.arunabh (talk) 18:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- And Template:UCUM light units and Template:UCUM radiometry units next. Neel.arunabh (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Colby Paul
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Non-notable actor. Google search returns nothing usable (Strings: "colby paul", ["colby paul" actor]) and of the three provided awards, all of them are mere nominations and not award wins so far as I can tell from archived versions of the sources (28, 31). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 19:24, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
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- delete - absolutely no sources to show that this subject is notable. I think this page would be a CSD G11 candidate. --Salimfadhley (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
*Don’t delete this page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greekdemigod (talk • contribs) 06:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Struck sock. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Greekdemigod. --Jack Frost (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - lacks the multiple significant roles for WP:NACTOR and no evidence of WP:GNG Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 08:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
*Do NOT DELETE - credible actor has worked in over 20 projects. IMDB can confirm that.This wiki page has been up for more than 10 years I find it silly to change this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollywooodie (talk • contribs) 18:49, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Struck sock. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Greekdemigod. --Jack Frost (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- IMDb is not a valid source. Working in over 20 projects means nothing if all those roles were minor or one-shots. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:BASIC. JavaHurricane 08:17, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was withdrawn by nom.
Abreha we Atsbeha
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This article is about two people who allegedly became Christians in the 4th-century B.C.E., which screams that the topic is likely a hoax. The "news" report in the article doesn't really provide any evidence of this other than a passing mention. The other source is a travel guide, which doesn't really contribute notability. I can't find much more on these topics, and it appears that the article on the couple of individuals fails WP:BASIC and WP:GNG — Mikehawk10 (talk) 00:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment I do not think this is a WP:HOAX. Visiting the source from which the 4th Century BCE citation derives, the source itself says
adopted Christianity in the 4th century
, which makes more sense. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk)) 01:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC) - Keep only the briefest of WP:BEFORE reveals literally hundreds of scholarly sources talking about these brothers. I've done a pretty miserable job of trying to improve the article and add sources as I'm not too familiar with the topic. I'm sure other editors could do a better job than me. There maybe a case down the track to merge this with Ezana of Axum but I think once information about their church is added it's a pretty good stand-alone topic. Yes the brothers probably never lived but that doesn't effect their notability. Also a move to "Abreha and Atsbeha" in the future would be good. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
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