Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ABN Assets

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I wanted to give you some more information on ABN Assets. They are an active scam community that are impersonating ABN AMRO, a legitimate financial institution. They message people on facebook trying to get victims to send cryptocurrency to their website www.abn-assets.com . The entire webpage is fake and I am actively looking to take them down. The Wikipedia page is the first thing that comes up when you google the company and I noticed people have removed the deletion flag on the page. I am not too familiar with how Wikipedia operates, but if you can help me out and get this page taken down it would be greatly appreciated. Just trying to prevent more people from getting scammed. Thank you very much, have a great day. UnrealFinancial (talk) 12:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2021 November 22. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 13:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finance-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the complaints of the AfD nominator may be true. This does seem to be a known branch of scam, see here: [1]. For what it's worth, here too [2]. The current article has only one source, which is definitely talking about ABN AMRO, not about any organisation independent of ABN Amro. Therefore there is no merit in retaining the article ABN Assets, which is either a pointless fork of ABN AMRO or an article sourced to something that it isn't. Someone who knows more than me might even upgrade this to a speedy delete. Elemimele (talk) 16:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  An admin declined the proposed deletion I restored (because the one who removed it is a suspected sock- or meatpuppet). If the stub qualified for speedy deletion, the admin would've done so. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I can't find any sources about ABN Assets after doing a search. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this does indeed look like a hoax. The company's website says they have £53 billion under management and over 74,000 investors, providing a wide range of financial services including investments. It goes on to link to a Companies House listing [3] which tells a rather different story. The company that registration is for does "Buying and selling of own real estate" and their most recent accounts listed there agree with that - it says the company employs one person and has 14 investment properties worth about £1.3 million. The company "website" does note in the middle of various entries about the company managing billions that in 2019 they changed their registered address to an unremarkable house in Newport, Wales, simply because that's what the Companies House filings show. I bet the Companies House company has nothing to do with the website and the website is just using it to claim credibility. A regulatory authority in Hong Kong [4] also lists them as a "suspicious website".

Even if it's not a hoax though I can't see any sources to show the company meets WP:CORP, just a few mentions involving ABN AMRO (a completely different and legitimate bank). Hut 8.5 20:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment would recommend closing admin send to WP:HOAXLIST as this article has existed since 8 June 2011 wizzito | say hello! 07:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• That may not be a good idea if they are using the existence of the Wikipedia page to bolster their credibility in any way, they could do the same with a listing there. Hut 8.5 08:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete When I was approached by the person online, they were using wikipedia to prove they were a legitimate financial institution. I noticed they also started a youtube channel [5] with a video uploaded a few days ago. If you guys want to help me take these guys down, please report their youtube channel for fraud. Currently when you google the company, they also have a 5 star rating on trustpilot with positive reviews made all in the same few days. Do your part and leave them a bad review to prevent more people from getting scammed. UnrealFinancial (talk) 09:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Administrator note: The above comment is the nominator's second !vote, so I have struck it. UnrealFinancial, while you are allowed to make additional comments, your nomination statement is considered your argument to delete the page. ✗plicit 07:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Regardless of whether they are a scam, there is no coverage of "ABN Assets" that is separate from ABN Amro.--Mvqr (talk) 11:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I can't find coverage that says that they are a scam, so I can't make any judgement on that front. Regardless, I don't see anything indicating that the company passes WP:ORGCRIT and I see no real place to redirect this. I'd be OK with salting if there's good evidence that this is a scam. — Mhawk10 (talk) 05:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.