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The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rodney E. Pardey

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    Not notable. No good sources. Removing peacock language now. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - This is a new one for me. I cannot see how the article meets WP:MUSIC, but is there a caveat for someone who won or placed in a poker tournament? Similar to a musical article winning a music competition? --TTTommy111 (talk) 00:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    If they won a World Series of Poker tournament, yes. He has not. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 01:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Makes sense. Thanks. In that case, I would say delete.--TTTommy111 (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Invertigo (film)

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    The film was announced, but never entered production. Koala15 (talk) 23:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete/userfy. It looks like this is one of those hundreds of films that get announced but never move beyond that. (Reminds me of the film Cradlewood, which even had a cast announcement but never moved beyond that.) If anyone wants to userfy this and try to see if anything comes of it I have no issue with this, but offhand this looks like it's firmly entrenched in development hell. It hasn't been officially cancelled from what I can see and there's a mention of the script here as one of the leaked Sony scripts, but by all accounts this looks like it's something that's probably never going to be made. If it does get deleted (ie, nobody wants to userfy it) I have no problem with this being restored if/when production starts back up and filming begins. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 03:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Heartmath Institute

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    Non-notable health organization. Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP Gargleafg (talk) 22:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was redirect to List of Winx Club characters#Stella. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Stella (Winx Club)

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    Non-notable character in a television series. Seattle (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Kloodle

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    Unable to find enough reliable refs to show company notability. -- Eclipsed (talk) (email) 20:53, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 20:54, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    The Character of Physical Law

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    Not notable. Lecture series from 50 years ago that was transcribed as a book. That is the extent of it's notability in reliable sources. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I changed my mind to keep and I also think consensus is clear. Is there a way to wrap this up now, so we don't waste the time of other editors? Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    If all of that is accurate then I guess we just need to find some RS's and note those things in the article. I couldn't find any when I looked. Handpolk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:24, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: I found some reviews in the typical academic circuits when I looked, although I will say that a lot of academic journal reviews will not show up in Google searches or if they do, will typically look like non-usable sources at first glance. (This is because most of them will just list the review by the book's title, which gives off the impression that the link is just the book itself.) That's why I usually use my school's database with stuff like this, a luxury I know that not everyone has. I added a few reviews to the article and I found some more reviews here and here. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep one of the best and most enjoyable lectures on the topic. This is even one where non-physicists might have heard of it. Clearly notable. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Strong Keep - This is part of a series on the works and lectures of Dr. Feynman, 1965 Nobel Prize winner in Physics. Hopefully, some knowledgeable editor will come along and give it the detailed expansion it deserves. — Maile (talk) 20:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    2004 Cayman Islands earthquake

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    This was a large strike-slip undersea event near the Grand Cayman archipelago. The maximum intensity was VI (Strong), which would have startled residents and made a local newsworthy topic, but this insignificant event did not cause any damage and was not covered in the scientific circles. Other events have occurred in that area, but there was no lasting impact from this one, and there doesn't appear to be any material available to expand the article.

    A few of us in Wikiproject Earthquakes construct articles on noteworthy events using journal articles, books, and earthquake catalogs. This event was not looked at closely (by seismologists) and so no journal articles are dedicated to it. It does have a one-line entry in the catalogs, but this limited amount of information leaves us with nothing to write about. What we're trying to do in the project is write articles about meaningful events and consolidate and/or delete articles on insignificant items. That is what this AFD amounts to. There is a need to start or expand articles on many earthquakes, but this one is not one of them.

    John Lewis, head of investment and pension fund administration at the Bank of Butterfield on Grand Cayman, called the earthquake a non- event. "A number of us were in the office," he said. "It lasted about 10 seconds, the building shook and there was no damage. It was mostly just a topic of conversation around the water cooler this morning."

    — Clair, Chris. (December 15, 2004) Magnitude 6.7 Quake Shakes Caymans Daily News (New York)

    The head honcho of our WikiProject is a geologist and has put together these notability guidelines for earthquakes. By looking at these criteria, someone who is not involved in WP:Earthquakes and doesn't write about earthquakes at all may not be able to see how this event does not align. An event would have to be exceptional in some way in order for an article to be created (or kept) that does not correspond with these guidelines. Dawnseeker2000 19:57, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Comment Responding to the pinging. Five years after the last discussion, I regret to say that the original deletion argument-- that this had no enduring notability-- seems to have been true after all. As I said in 2010, it would be preferable if this were part of an article called "Earthquakes in the Caribbean", which are uncommon. If someone can show that there are still mentions of it (as in 2010), it might make a difference; at the moment, I think that the passage of time has demonstrated that it had no lasting impact-- it's forgettable and now forgotten. Mandsford 20:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Response: Wikiproject Earthquakes is starting to organize our lists by notable events. This is a work in progress that's just getting started and will mean removing some entries from our current lists. All of our list articles should be focused towards the common selection criteria for (for notable entry) lists. In this case, we're going for notable events, and this event wouldn't qualify because the notability guidelines for earthquakes apply. Dawnseeker2000 16:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem, I definitely defer to Wikiproject EQ's organization. МандичкаYO 😜 17:53, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete - The possible claim to notability would be "unusual earthquake in an area of low sismicity". Because of this I feel that claim is not vindicated - sure, it was an outlier, but low-intensity earthquakes are not exceptional in that region either.
    As a side note, I do believe that pure mainstream coverage could be enough to make an earthquake notable, though WP:ROUTINE applies in many cases. So I would take the project's "being mentioned in the mainstream media is not in itself evidence of notability" with a grain of salt (= common sense). Tigraan (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 19:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Mützig

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    Product which doesn't meet WP:GNG as there is a lack of independent reliable sources. Search reveals nothing significant. The product exists, but is not notable. Article was merged into parent article (Bralirwa Brewery#Mützig) per WP:Beer brands and WP:Product, but this has been reverted. SilkTork ✔Tea time 18:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete Product fails to meet WP:GNG. I could not find more than passing references to the brew when I searched for references via gNews, gNewspapers and gBooks. I found it interesting that one passing reference in a book, Marrakech Express from 2014, by Peter Millar, the reference is to "once upon a time a well-known, if unremarkable Alsace French brand ... moved to Africa where ... it has become extinct." It is not the extinction or the limited range of the beer's sales that is problem in this context, but the fact that no reliable and significant sources for the brew's notability can be located. It is, at least in one person's published opinion, unremarkable. Geoff Who, me? 20:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
    • KeepHi Geoff. Here are some links to Mützig on the internet: Mützig Beer commercial, Mutzig Relaunch in Kigali and Mutzig sales in Uganda. The drink was originally brewed in France (as indicated in the article) and later launched in DR Congo, Rwanda and Burundi i.e. countries located in Africa. Another important note is that these countries speak French. It would be proper to look into the French websites. Kindly do a better research. Posts here are on evidence rather than opinions. Zotezangu (talk) 02:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep or merge to the brewery to appropriate places. I believe that this beer is notable because of its pervasive influence in substantial parts of Africa, mainly, as Zotezangu implies, in la Francophonie. The beer may have been launched in Africa in 1987, but its roots may go back to the French Brewery from which it takes its name - though the process used to make it is based on the traditional sorghum fermentation system. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC).[reply]
      • Here are a couple of decent references:
      • Edward Tommy (8 October 2013). "In Sierra Leone, Trade Minister Launches Mutzig Beer". Awareness Times.
      • "Sierra Leone News: SL Brewery show case production process to media". Awoko. 20 June 2014.
      • "Sierra Leone News: Mutzig Beer Launched…Centenarian Celebrates with World's Best in Beer". Awoko. 7 October 2013.
    This article describes Mutzig as a significant brand.
    This mentions Mutzig beer in Paris.
    All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC).[reply]
    After editing the article a bit, I'm thinking that it might also be appropriate to merge this into a Brasserie Mutzig (or Mutzig brewery) article, if we were to create one. Mojoworker (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Mojoworker, That sounds good. Since you have knowledge on Mutzig brewery, why not develop the page to reflect the status of a brewery rather than a brand then move the page to the new name? That would be of great assistance. . Zotezangu (talk) 05:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree it cannot be merged there, the brand is produced widely and would either have to fit into a Heinekin brands article, be split among the various national breweries, or be retained as it is. Merging to Mutzig Brewery is not without its problems. The article about a small French Brewery would be potentially overwhelmed by the African use of the brand, and we would end up splitting it back to an article on the brand/beer. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC).[reply]
    True enough – I'll stick with my initial inclination of keep then. Mojoworker (talk) 21:29, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was speedy delete. Wiki you now, Wiki you later!, I've posted the deleted material to your talk page in a collapsed format since there wasn't much to the article in the first place. You can try to work it in elsewhere, but I'd highly recommend that you go through WP:COMPUTER and Wikipedia:WikiProject Internet to ensure that all of the information is correct first. Computer teachers are not infallible and it is entirely possible that he was incorrect or that you misunderstood what he was saying. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 06:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    IQRL is less or equal

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    Factually incorrect, unreferenced. The error message exists but has nothing to do with the purported causes and effects given in this article. For comparison, see Microsoft's error description. Prodded for that reason, de-prodded by the author because they supposedly "learned all of this information in [their] computer maintenance class".

    If this error message is notable enough for an encyclopedia article, which I currently doubt, it would be easier to write a new one from scratch; no part of the current content is salvageable. Huon (talk) 17:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Don't delete. This is getting annoying-please stop. I did check the website, and was surprised to see that the explanation of this error was completely different than what I learned in my computer maintenance class. However, that doesn't mean that what I have written is factually incorrect or is a hoax, it just means that there are multiple ways of explaining the same thing. My question would be, who should we go by: the author of the Microsoft website, or the teacher of my computer maintenance class who is a professional IT expert? Wiki you now, Wiki you later! (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia follows the published sources; see WP:Verifiability. Such as, say, this book which explains that IRQL (IQRL is a misspelling) is not "the main control center of the computer or device" but rather the Interrupt Request Level, a number used to determine the order in which the processor reacts to interrupts. It's not a piece of hardware, there is no "amount of data stored on the IRQL", and hard drives are at best of peripheral relevance to the error - certainly not because "the amount of data stored on the IRQL must be greater than the amount of data storage on the internal hard drive". Regarding claims such as "it only happens to 1 person in America every 3 years" I rather doubt you can explain how one would even assemble such a statistic which would mean that this effect occured to about five persons in America, ever (ignoring the fact that the amount of computers running Windows hasn't been constant over those 15 years or so since Windows 2000 was introduced). Huon (talk) 19:41, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    So basically what you are saying is that we can't go by what I learned in my maintenance class, even if it was right? I am now concerned that my teacher was teaching us incorrect information, but that's not the point here. I still object to the deletion because I don't have whatever book you are talking about, and I didn't know that the other website even existed. Given these factors, I had to write based on what I learned, and I don't think that anyone would know that the teacher was incorrect. Perhaps someone (other than me, because obviously I've been taught a hoax) could merge this content into the Blue screen of death article? As I said, this is one of the most common causes of a blue screen and really should be included. Wiki you now, Wiki you later! (talk) 23:19, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Isolation of the dead

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    Fails WP:GNG; non-notable game. This game is still in the process of funding on Kickstarter, which makes this article a crystal ball at best. Esquivalience t 17:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete. I wish them well, but right now this just doesn't pass notability guidelines. There just isn't any coverage out there for this game and since this is still in its fundraising stage, there likely isn't anything other than a few play screens and maybe at best a non-playable test stage. If this gets made and gains coverage it can be created, but offhand this is just too soon for an entry. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was speedy deleted per G7 by CactusWriter. (non-admin closure) Everymorning talk 22:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Patrick U. Murphy

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    The article creator is new to Wikipedia. I had placed a speedy deletion tag on it and he had removed it and politely asked me what the problem was. Rather than get into our policy about article creators removing speedy tags, I thought it best to respond to his concerns with a full discussion here.

    Patrick U. Murphy was not a man without professional achievements. He witnessed a lot of history. He competed on behalf of Ireland as part of a fishing team. And was present as a youngster during an emergency landing of an aviator and took part in a commemorative ceremony many years later. Yet I don't believe he quite meets the rather specific criteria set out in WP:BASIC, unfortunately. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Santiago Palacios

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    Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested without a reason being provided. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was speedy delete/snow close. This was previously deleted and there is nothing really new here to go against the prior AfD, so I'm closing this early and speedying it as a recreation, plus a possible recreation by a blocked user. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Suvodeep Chatterjee

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    Egregiously spammy (auto?)bio article, which fails (from what I can see) to net a single article in any bona fide WP:Reliable source. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • CommentThis article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because this person is notable with remarkable achievements and it should be on the wikipedia for general public information about his inventions and publication that are more valuable for public and is useful too. S chattopadhyay — Preceding undated comment added 16:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete, snow close. I'll salt this to prevent recreation. I will also note that this is also fairly promotional in tone. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Universal records forum

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    Contested prod deletion. This organisation does not have independent third party coverage that proves notability. Creator has attached link to Georgian Records Federation as proof (it is a partner of URF), but that is also not a notable record body itself and partnership with it does not explain why the organisation is notable. SFB 15:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. —Darkwind (talk) 01:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Gary C. Ross

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    NOT NEWS. Merely being the first make it suitable for Ripley's , not an encycopedia. With respect o other possible notability, he does not meet the standards for military officers, nor for authors. The GNG guideline is irrelevant here, since the policy NOT NEWS is a limitation of that. DGG ( talk ) 15:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I see nothing after 2013. Looking at the material very carefully, I think the it is basically a violation of WP:AUTOBIO, containing irrelevant minor details about his navy career & non encyclopedic personal details about his later activities . It also is advocacy, and is a gross failure of WP:NPOV I note, Furthermore, that this is a BLP, and not all the material has reliable sourcing. DGG ( talk ) 21:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Redirect and merge with Don't ask, don't tell. I can't find any good sources for his military career, so it looks like a WP:BIO1E. I don't think it's a WP:BLP1E as Ross seemed to have made a concious effort to get press publicity for his wedding. I don't really care about whatever alleged COI the creator has, it's not like they've gone and committed mass murder or anything, and that can be fixed by our normal editing and deletion policies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: I am the primary author and I am married to the subject. I apologize because I have minimal experience writing and editing articles on Wikipedia and I find it difficult to navigate all of the policies and procedures. The subject and I planned a private wedding in Vermont and we were surprised when it caught the attention of the AP and gained international attention. The purpose of this article was not to focus solely on the historic significance of our marriage,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] but Gary C. Ross was a plaintiff who won a federal lawsuit for equal benefits. He is also an LGBT activist, author, and speaker. Even now, he is challenging the fairness of military promotion boards with regards to LGB personnel. Please do not underestimate the impact of his ongoing efforts. Last weekend, we received an email from one of his previous commanding officers (a Navy Captain) who said, "Just a quick note to say hello from deployment and to let you know how proud I continue to be of your roles as trailblazers on the path leading to this week’s SCOTUS decision. I know it hasn’t been smooth or easy, but your courage and determination serve as great examples to those who come after you." Dan (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Aren't all those sources describing the same One event? None of those sources delved deeply into biographical material, simply reporting a "first". The remaining military material is all standard, honorable, military service similar to hundreds of thousands of other soldiers and sailors. Honorable, but nothing close to the criteria listed in WP:MILPEOPLE. Being an activist and choosing to get married on a certain day and notifying the Associated Press to claim "first" is not notability, it's basically a press release. As to activist, author, and speaker none of those items are cited in the article with reliable, substantial sources to demonstrate notability in those respects. He does not meet WP:Soldier and WP:Author either. --Dual Freq (talk) 23:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, Dual Freq, I provided sources about One event in response to your edit summary in the article where you said, "you'll note that neither politico nor cbs actually say they were they first." However, the article includes additional notability.
        Gary C. Ross is a LGBT activist and was a plaintiff in a federal lawsuit,[9] interviewed by Tamron Hall on MSNBC,[10] honored by Aisha Tyler at the NewNowNext Awards,[11][12] and notably received a judgement in his favor which declared U.S. Code denying military benefits to married same-sex couples as unconstitutional.[13]
        Gary C. Ross is also a published author[14][15] in a two-time Los Angeles Times Bestseller[16] which was selected by the Chief of Naval Operations for his prestigious Official Reading List.[17]
        I tried to provide neutral facts in the article. I am providing addition information and links here because I respect this process and I am reluctant to further edit the article to avoid COI. And for the record, we planned a private wedding and we did not notify the AP to claim "first" — they contacted us. Dan (talk) 18:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks, but I just would point out that he does not appear to be the sole author of any of those books and is not on the by-line / cover as an editor for "In the Shadow of Greatness" as shown on Amazon.com. I don't think that writing a chapter or a portion of a chapter in a book indicates notability as described in WP:AUTHOR. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that or with him, just that not everyone is notable as an author, soldier, etc. Facebook or linkedin is adequate for most people to self publish their biography, not wikipedia. --Dual Freq (talk) 21:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • LCDR Ross was selected by his classmates to be a contributing author of In the Shadow of Greatness. (The book appears to be notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, but not the contributing authors who created the book?)
          I noticed your recent editing of the article. Navy Times states, "Three retired Navy captains reviewed Ross’ records for red flags, and each independently concluded that the biggest red flag stemmed from his 2008 troubles on Stennis."[18] They did not mention specific troubles and they certainly did not characterize the troubles as "an incident during a nuclear drill." LCDR Ross transparently told Navy Times author, Sam Fellman, about an incident during a training scenario and you make it sound like a reactor meltdown. The three retired Navy captains went on to note "a rebound in his performance." In addition, the Navy Times article does not conclude whether or not LCDR Ross mutually left the Nuclear Navy.
          The tone of your editing and your edit summaries do not seem neutral. Dan (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • I wrote it as neutrally as possible without omitting the basic facts as you initially did, choosing only to add his version of the story. It was a nuclear reactor drill, in which, according to the article, "both the reactors were scrammed" and later after the incident "the reactor officer pulled his qualifications and found him culpable." I'd say a fistfight during a nuclear reactor scramming is a pretty serious incident. I think I did OK summarizing several paragraphs of text. I did not say meltdown, I said a "drill". This is the problem that happens when there is a COI issue, we can't drop out parts of the story we don't like because it doesn't fit our chosen narrative. I'll grant you that none of this would need to be mentioned if the claims of discrimination were not being discussed and none of the article is notable. --Dual Freq (talk) 01:42, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • "the reactor officer pulled his qualifications and found him culpable," but she had him back on watch within two weeks.
            LCDR Ross cooperated with Sam Fellman and the Navy Times article is generally accurate. I referenced the Navy Times article when I mentioned the possibility of bias, but you pieced it together to make it sound as bad as possible. That is not neutral. Dan (talk) 02:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ Fellman, Sam (20 September 2011). "Gay sailors coming forward in wake of DADT". Navy Times. Retrieved 29 June 2015. first same-sex marriage after the repeal by a servicemember
    2. ^ LeBlanc, Deanna (20 September 2011). "First gay marriage after repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell'". WCAX News. Retrieved 29 June 2015.
    3. ^ Jones, Susan (20 September 2011). "Okay to Be Openly Gay in U.S. Military". CNSNews.com. Retrieved 29 June 2015. first celebration took place in Vermont, where Navy Lt. Gary Ross and his civilian partner Dan Swezy were married
    4. ^ Johnson, Jeremy (22 December 2011). "COMMENTARY: Why post-DADT "firsts" matter". San Diego Gay & Lesbian News. Retrieved 29 June 2015. Lt. Gary Ross became the first military member to marry his partner
    5. ^ Garcia, Michelle (18 September 2012). "11 Firsts: Major Milestones After The Repeal of 'Don't Ask Don't Tell'". Here Media. Retrieved 29 June 2015. The First Gay Wedding
    6. ^ Butler, Simone (29 November 2012). "DADT, DOMA, Prop. 8: Same-Sex Marriage Considered". Claremont Port Side. Retrieved 29 June 2015. Navy Lieutenant Gary Ross and his partner Dan Swezy were the first military couple to officially be married
    7. ^ Karlan, Sarah (20 September 2013). "Members Of The U.S. Military You Need To Remember On The Anniversary Of Don't Ask Don't Tell". BuzzFeed. Retrieved 29 June 2015. the first active member of the U.S. military to legally marry a same-sex partner
    8. ^ "Faces of our Families". Military Partners and Families Coalition. December 2012. Retrieved 29 June 2015. the first same-sex military couple to legally marry in the United States
    9. ^ "SLDN Files Landmark Litigation on Behalf of Married Gay and Lesbian Service Members, Veterans". PR Newswire. 27 October 2011. Retrieved 30 June 2015.
    10. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awq5mFvcMqU
    11. ^ http://www.newnownext.com/aisha-tyler-logo-newnownext-awards-video/04/2013/
    12. ^ http://m.logotv.com/video/899358/
    13. ^ McLaughlin v. Hagel, Page 3 (United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts 2 October 2013), Text.
    14. ^ Ross, Gary (2012). "Rings of Courage and Love: Fighting for Gary Rights in the Military". In Welle, Joshua (ed.). In the Shadow of Greatness: Voices of Leadership, Sacrifice, and Service from America's Longest War. Naval Institute Press. pp. 217–223. ISBN 978-1-61251-138-2.
    15. ^ Hoffman, Michael (11 September 2012). "Naval Academy '02 Class Captures Ten Years at War". Military.com. Retrieved 30 June 2015. Gary Ross, a gay naval officer, writes one of the best pieces in the book chronicling the struggle of having to lie to fellow sailors to keep his job.
    16. ^ "Los Angeles Times Bestsellers". LATimes.com. Retrieved 30 June 2015.
    17. ^ "Navy Reading: The Chief of Naval Operations professional reading program". DODLive.mil. Retrieved 30 June 2015.
    18. ^ "Did being gay sink this officer's career?". Navy Times. 23 September 2013. Retrieved 30 June 2015.
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    • Delete, the material already in the Don't ask, don't tell article adequately covers this subject and the WP:Oneevent. The rest of the material fails to meet WP:Soldier and WP:Author. None of the rest of the biographical material seems to have been published or noted by the media covering the one event. --Dual Freq (talk) 22:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. Not even the first same-sex military marriage, but one of the first. Just not notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete - per nomination. Obviously there is some useful information which can be included elsewhere - if it hasn't already (like at Don't ask, don't tell per the suggestions above). Otherwise the subject doesn't appear to be notable per WP:GNG (lacks "significant" coverage in independent reliable sources). Likewise fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:AUTHOR as far as I can see. I'm also concerned about the COI and advocacy aspects the article seems to present (is Wikipedia being used here as a forum to question the validity of an administrative decision, i.e. his non-promotion and discharge for instance?) Overall, a fairly junior officer with a relatively average / normal / undistinguished career that seems little different from all the others who have trodden the same path (setting aside the LGBT issues which as I said should be addressed elsewhere - but even then only briefly so as not to breach WP:UNDUE). Anotherclown (talk) 00:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. —Darkwind (talk) 02:00, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Pizzeria Napoli (Baghdad)

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    Seems to be notable for what amounts to a single event but, really, this is trivial stuff. Sitush (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • I have been profiled in The Sunday Times but am not notable. I can't see the contents of your second source but your third source is little more than a passing mention and includes the statement that Pizzeria Napoli is just one of many restaurants that have opened since the ousting of Saddam Hussein - that is what is being discussed really, not the PN itself. Your fourth source is the single event ans, really, isn't much of a mention anyway. Have you ever wondered why those passing mentions occur? Could it be that the owner is just a bit more savvy with soundbites, and perhaps even the only local shop owner who can converse with the foreign journalists? Why does the article have problem attracting incoming links? - Sitush (talk) 06:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nobody is arguing you are notable. We're pointing out that a one-man hole-in-the-wall pizza joint profiled in Time and Newsweek and books is notable.[8] No, I've never stopped to wonder how he conspired to get all this press, or how a man described as speaking "a little English" was able to be a "bit more savvy with soundbites" than the other millions of people around trying to survive in a war zone. Sounds like something I should devote a lot of time to mulling over. Maybe he was the one who started the rumor that Iraq had WMD to get the U.S. to invade so he could finally start a restaurant and finally get his name in Time. Wow. Can we get it speedily deleted as as M1: all references fraudulently obtained through Machiavellian scheme? МандичкаYO 😜 13:49, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • No need for the snark - I've no idea what I've done to piss you off but you should drop it, otherwise you're likely to get it back in spades. This article has existed for years and as of today still has no links from other articles. We've got nearly five million of them and not one that refers to this, not even a list article. The chances of that happening are pretty slim but among the other orphans from that period is another seemingly useless food and drink article. You'd do a better job of convincing me if you provided the relevant info from the book that I say I cannot see. I'm assuming that you have read it to verify that it isn't just a passing mention. - Sitush (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - The amount of very substantial coverage spanning years and from multiple nation sources as demonstrated by Мандичка indicates easily passing the threshold of notability. How the nom feels about their own notability in relation to coverage given to them is irrelevant to this discussion (but I would note the last time I came across an editor claiming they are not notable due to comparable coverage they received to a topic they afd'd, it turns out they did have an article that they never challenged). --Oakshade (talk) 23:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep Not every pizzeria gets mentioned in Time and Newsweek. This is a notable restaurant. Eat me, I'm a red bean (take a huge bite) 00:41, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I do wish you lot really understood WP:PROMO and that one of the key beauties of Wikipedia is the links between articles. But obviously I am going to be on the wrong side of this rabid inclusionist discussion. I fucking despair. - Sitush (talk) 01:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nice WP:CIVIL violation. We're all aware of WP:PROMO and that doesn't apply here. The links are in the categories. While it would be a nice "beauty" to have more, that's not an article requirement. If you truly feel that notability guidelines were not adhered to and this was kept due to "rabid inclusionist discussion", then you can bring it up for deletion review where you're guaranteed to have much wider community input. --Oakshade (talk) 05:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:1E is a shortcut to "People notable for only one event." How is a pizza restaurant a person and how does very in-depth coverage from multiple international sources spanning at least five years "one event"? I would become familiar with the guidelines you cite before attacking other editors for not being familiar with them.--Oakshade (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop splitting hairs Oakshade, you know perfecty well what is meant here. The restaurant is known only for being damaged in a bob blast and absolutely nothing else whatsoever. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:15, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Splitting hairs? You're attacking editors for not being familiar with guidelines and then you cite one that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. You cited WP:1E which only applies to people being notable for one event. A restaurant is not people. And the coverage which is spanning years about this place covering years before and after the nearby bomb blast is not one event. That's not splitting hairs but pointing out your misunderstanding of the basics of the guideline you cited.--Oakshade (talk) 16:23, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    And by the way, the in-depth Time coverage is from 2003. The "bob blast" occurred in 2004. How was it notable for only one event if that event hadn't taken place? --Oakshade (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep per overwhelming consensus that the subject is notable. --Jakob (talk) aka Jakec 00:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Richard Matt

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    Fails WP:OE, WP:CRIME and WP:NOTNEWS. No notability except for participation in 2015 Clinton Correctional Facility escape. Prior to that, his criminal exploits, heinous as they were, did not receive more than local coverage. No more notable than his escaping partner David Sweat, who hasn't and should not have an article. Should be deleted or merged with 2015 Clinton Correctional Facility escape. Coretheapple (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep There has been coverage recently and in the past, and looking at coverage of notable prison breaks likely in the future too. There is considerable interests by reliable sources in that person, which makes the article notable enough. Wikipedia is not printed on paper. prokaryotes (talk) 14:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep Per Prokaryotes. There's been substantial coverage on Matt and his previous prison breaks. DisuseKid (talk) 15:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep This isn't just run-of-the-mill coverage of a prisoner, it's substantial. Therefore, they pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep I agree with all the reasons listed so far. Matt has a history of past escapes, which makes him more notable than Sweat. His past escapes combined with the Clinton escape is what makes him qualified for an article, not just only the Clinton escape. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 15:32, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep Per above. The difference between Matt and Sweat is that Matt has had a long history of escapes, while this is Sweat's first. William8288 (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep A long time has passed since this event started, and there still continues to be significant coverage. ContinualCoverage (talk) . The coverage is also international. I signed in from NWT Canada to read about the individual and was glad to find this article. It's disappointing to read that someone would have preferred that I couldn't find this article.
    • Keep I just read an article in the Buffalo News that goes in detail about the fatal injuries Matt received from the shooting, and that he had an odor of alcohol and had abrasions and blisters. He has become a household name and is certainly notable. Buffaboy talk 19:11, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep per Joseph2302.4meter4 (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep This is a pretty ridiculous afd, both of these guys are household names now. Robman94 (talk) 22:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. --MelanieN (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Sarah Kirsch (musician)

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    • Delete Fails all aspects of WP:MUSICBIO with the exception of criteria #6 and his/her prominence in each notable band is tenuous at best. Subject appeared in three bands that have Wikipedia articles, but two of those were for very short periods. Safiel (talk) 20:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Delete or possibly redirect to Pinhead Gunpowder as it seems that was the longest time with a band that has a Wiki article, however it was only four years and this person is only briefly mentioned; my searches found no good coverage, which is not surprising, aside from this and this. SwisterTwister talk 18:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. Fails all or any BIO and/or music criteria. I'm not quite sure what the supplied sources are supposed to do - one doesn't load, another is a blog, and another is totally unrelated - but they don't remotely add up to notabilty. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Delete all due to not statistics and original research concerns. Davewild (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Armenia's voting at the Eurovision Song Contest

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    This article contains excessive amounts of statistical data which goes against WP:NOTSTATSBOOK and WP:STAND. The article does not even contain any citations for verification which goes against WP:OR; and such information is summarised in brief content at Armenia in the Eurovision Song Contest#Voting history.

    I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

    Azerbaijan's voting at the Eurovision Song Contest (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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    Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Please note that the editor who created all of these lists, has also created mass-numbers of articles with excessive listing of data on living people too; which may require admin investigation. Wes Mouse | T@lk 13:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    @Colapeninsula: I've relisted all the model related articles at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people on the cover of I-D magazine. Wes Mouse | T@lk 15:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Church Fall Festival

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    The article was prodded by Vrac as unreferenced original research; the prod was removed by Wiki you now, Wiki you later! who nominated it for speedy deletion as a hoax. It's not a hoax; Fall Festivals are held by the United Methodists and some Catholic and Baptist churches. That brings us back to unsourced OR. I found some local news about specific Fall Festivals but no general coverage of the subject. Huon (talk) 13:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Goal.com

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    lacks notability RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 12:43, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep Not usually apt to citing the Alexa ranking as an open-shut case, but as a top 400 site? WP:BEFORE clearly not done here, and the rationale is underdone and unsupportable. Well-known soccer site and even barring that, pretty obvious top-dollar web domain. Nate (chatter) 08:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:BEFORE done, as the website isn't notable, hence me typing "lacks notability". Notability, or lack thereof, is a key test in recognising whether an article is worthwhile or not, a test Goal.com fails miserably. "Well known", right, but only for inventing news and being a source of mockery. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 23:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment By saying ""Well known", right, but only for inventing news and being a source of mockery", I can only now assume this is a nom made because you don't like the website; you need to provide proof or some kind of balance that this site is some kind of Weekly World News for football news, which I'm not seeing at all out there outside of the usual social media "Goal.com sucks because they said something bad about my team" kveching. Nate (chatter) 03:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Hi Mr Schimpf, I just did a Google search to try and find some positive articles to provide some balance here, but there are no reports or profiles of this website. Can't imagine why this well known website wouldn't, can you? LOL. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 13:44, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Sean Wilson (fighter)

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    Non-notable MMA fighter, single top tier fight and that was a loss. Does not meet WP:NMMA Peter Rehse (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Myah Marie

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    Fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Subject has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. A Google search produces only passing mentions and promotional content. Current references are only credits from discogs.com and allmusic.com, chart position from Billboard (none of which provide significant coverage), a genealogy website, and other Wikipedia articles (which are not reliable sources). Article has been deleted twice already. Hirolovesswords (talk) 21:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    When I brought the article back, I specifically looked for and included external references that were non-trivial. You can see them in my last update to the article. I don't know why that entire section about the controversy regarding whether Myah Marie dubbed Britney Spears was removed, and the references that go with it. As far as I can see, that's exactly what makes her notable -- it's what the articles about her in multiple media outlets are about. I'll put that section back, which should address the concern regarding references. Geoff Canyon (talk) 08:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I added further references to the rumor that Myah Marie's voice is on Britney Spears's album. There's no shortage of articles like this available, all featuring Myah Marie prominently. I think the rumors make Myah Marie notable. Geoff Canyon (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. Consensus is that the article meets the WP:PROF notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 13:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Gregory Boyle (psychologist)

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    Autobiographical vanity piece by a questionably notable person. Fails WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Keep - actually, this appears to be a pretty neutral and accurate WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY by someone (presumably unaware of the rules on autobiography) who happens to be notable. He's a full professor for 20+ years, now emeritus, fellow of various learned societies and has been included in Australian Who's Who (which selects its biographees based on merit). I expect his H-index will be sufficient as well. Le petit fromage (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep He is a fellow of the AUS and USA Psychological Societies and very distinguished Alec Station (talk) 11:33, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep I have been aware of this scholar's writings for years, and there are adequate sources for a NPOV article about him, and no doubt about notability. There have been a lot of bad problems with the article, which so far has mostly been edited by the subject of the article, but several Wikipedians are reminding him about the rules here, and meanwhile the article's existence is warranted by sources independent of the author. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Chuka Ndulue

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    fails notability reqs for football players Sulfurboy (talk) 10:46, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - Unreliable sources. No evidence of notability. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 00:40, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. Unable to find sources showing that he passes WP:GNG. I have not found sufficient significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to pass the notability bar. Some of the coverage that does exist relates to a DUI arrest (e.g., this, this and this) which isn't enough. Also, he doesn't meet WP:NCOLLATH as he has not won a major award, set a major record, been inducted into a Hall of Fame, or gained national media attention (except regarding the DUI). Willing to reconsider if other sources can be found. Cbl62 (talk) 06:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON because he 1) has not appeared in any professional game; 2) has not demonstrated notability as a college player.TallCorgi (talk) 06:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Withdrawn. I'll propose a merger next year then if there are no further improvements. (non-admin closure) --George Ho (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    June 2015 Kobani attack

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    The content is already copied to Kobanî#June 2015 massacres. To be honest, there's not much to explain the significance of the violent attack by allegedly ISIL/ISIS. Reactions or no reactions, they wouldn't make the small article larger. I tried to redirect the article to Kobanî, but it has gotten reverted. Even if the event is notable per WP:N or WP:notability (events), the article hasn't expanded much very shortly. Also, June is nearing the end, but even July attacks wouldn't make the article larger unless the media can overemphasize the tragic event as "big" or "bigger" than Wars in Middle East overall, similar to how they did to Haiti earthquakes or a hostage crisis in Sydney or a school attack in Pakistan. George Ho (talk) 09:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    It is a completely separate event to the Siege of Kobani. It happened long after it ended, and was a separate attack. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:11, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Event is notable. Short article length is not a valid reason for deletion. With the available sources, it can be expanded. Just no one has done it yet. The Western media has not gone into in depth detail on the attack in some areas. There is likely more detailed information in non-English speaking sources. And more information will come out in the coming days. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep. This event is certainly notable and the fact that the article is rather short at this stage is not a reason to delete it. The French language article is much longer and is well sourced, which shows that the sources necessary to expand the article are out there.--Tdl1060 (talk) 18:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Quick Keep. This is a notable attack, with an important amount of victims. Yug (talk) 18:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - We have a long article about a pretty inconsequential attack in France the same day, yet someone wants to delete this one where dozens of civilians died? Ridiculous. And yes, of course more can be written about this. FunkMonk (talk) 07:03, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • changing vote to keep - later media reports suggest greater death toll - responses by Patrick Cockburn in this article are insightful as to relative media coverage of major mass killing in Syria compared to minor, failed terrorist attack in France. This looks like it may get enough coverage/responses to justify its own article rather than just a merge. Wait for a week and re-assess. -- Aronzak (talk) 13:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - one of the worst massacres of the Syrian Civil War. One should be driven by a very strong POV to suggest this event is "not important" or "not notable".GreyShark (dibra) 21:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    This event has not gotten the attention in the English and Western media that it deserves, especially compared to the other attacks. Which is why the article page is so small. This is entirely a cultural bias, and commentators like Patrick Cockburn have suggested that this is due to weariness over conflicts in Iraq and Syria and that large scale massacres there do not shock us anymore. To delete this article would thus to enforce an entirely arbitrary cultural bias on the English Wikipedia that does not represent a worldwide view. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. Consensus is that the article meets the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Swagg Man

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    WP:BLP of a musician, making no claim of notability strong enough to pass WP:NMUSIC and relying almost entirely on primary (sales pages on Google Play and iTunes) and bloggy sources. There's one reliable source in here, but one source isn't enough to satisfy WP:GNG — and while the strongest claim of notability here, peaking #189 on the French singles chart, would probably be enough if the article were well-sourced, it doesn't confer a notability freebie on a person whose article is otherwise sourced this badly. A Google News search, further, didn't bring up any significant coverage in quality sources, but simply hit more coverage of the junk-blog variety. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if the quality of sourcing improves. Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    One reliable source is not enough to get a person over WP:GNG by itself. It takes multiple reliable sources. And a musician has to explicitly satisfy one of the listed criteria at WP:NMUSIC to qualify for an article — a person does not get an article just because one editor asserts that they're well-known, if sufficient sourcing isn't there to properly support an article. Bearcat (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    As Bearcat says, one reliable source that covers the subject substantially is not enough to satisfy GNG. Nor does peaking at # 189 appear to be sufficient. Epeefleche (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep based on the coverage identified above by Cavarrone. --Michig (talk) 08:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete While I don't dispute that there is coverage of the subject in line with WP:VERIFY, I do think it's important to note that having reliable sources alone does not guarantee inclusion under WP:GNG, rather, it implies notibility but editors should use their judgement in determining whether the sources establish notability and how significant the coverage is.[a] Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information. Currently the article has no more information than a list of his tracks, where he currently lives, and that he has a tattoo on his head, and half the citations are to the artist's itunes listings. I don't speak French, but looking at the articles linked here (and as they are cited on the article page) using Google Translate, they seem to be rather minor news stories that simply talk about either his tracks or his head tattoo. I'm very dubious of the encyclopedic value of this article if the most interesting thing we have written about him is the tattoo he has on his head. We aren't a paper encyclopedia so we can have a page for every artist who has released a track and been interviewed a couple times, but should we? I do not believe that the sources available at this time give enough information about the subject to warrant an encyclopedia entry. Wugapodes (talk) 22:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    1. ^ "A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article" and "Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example, directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources."
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 13:58, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Young Democrats Movement

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    I couldn't establish that this meets WP:ORG or WP:GNG Boleyn (talk) 10:17, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - My first searches which were thoughtful found nothing specifically for this and instead for a "Young Democrats" organization but either way, nothing in the least considerably good. SwisterTwister talk 18:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. The links provided by MichaelQSchmidt (t c) do not in fact lead to any coverage about this movie production company whatsoever, and since the existence of the company is in doubt and cannot be immediately verified, I see no need to retain a redirect. —Darkwind (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Jalsha Movies Production

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    I find no sources at all that indicate that this company even exists, much less that it is notable. I've gone through the sources for the movies that they have allegedly been involved in, and not found a shred of evidence. In addition, it was created by an editor who has since been blocked as a sock, so it could perhaps be speedied on those grounds (the group of socks seems to be respondible for creating several articles about made-up movies). bonadea contributions talk 16:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    WP:INDAFD: Jalsha Movies Star, Jalsha Movies Jalsha Movies Production
    • Woah Bonadea... was there any real WP:BEFORE done prior to you declaring this topic as non-existent or unsourcable??? There are a number of articles in The Economic Times and Times of India... and others which appear to speak about it in some detail. I am not going to address notability nor your allegation about an alleged pack of socks or meats, but simply stating that the coverage you could said did not exist find actually does exist. And as it's editor was not on block or ban when creating this article, it was not created to circumvent a block ot ban... so WP:G5 speedy is inappropriate. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Of course I looked for sources, with various spellings because that is often a concern with names in languages that don't use Latin script. I'm not sure if my search skills are really bad, or what my problem is, but everything I could find was about the major Bengali language TV channel Jalsha Movies, and that applies to the search results you link to above as well. The google search string you linked to only tells me "No results found for "Jalsha Movies Production". Results for Jalsha Movies Production (without quotes)", and at least the first several pages of search results are news about the TV channel. Most of the Economic Times and Times of India search results that I get don't mention the word "Jalsha" at all, and those that do talk about the TV channel. The same applies to search hits in The Hindu. (When I look at the list of search hits at Economic Times almost every one of them is about one US movie or another, which indicates that it's unlikely that the article would constitute significant coverage about a Bengali production company, and in fact, following the links shows that "Jalsha Movies Production" is never mentioned at all.) If you could point me to some articles about the movie production company rather than the TV channel, I would be very much obliged, because frankly, I cannot find them by searching and I would love to know how to improve my search skills!
    I did not in fact suggest a G5 deletion, I wouldn't have started the AfD if I had. My "allegation about an alleged pack of socks or meats" was based on the fact that the article was created by an editor who was subsequently blocked as a sockpuppet, one of a group of such socks, which had made a habit of creating articles about nonexistent films. (And the article was created a couple of months after the master was blocked, so I'm not quite sure what you mean - it was definitely created by a sock in violation of a block. I still think an AfD is a good idea because other editors have been involved in the article since, and if the company does exist, and is notable, I'd rather there was an article about it.) --bonadea contributions talk 09:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment I should perhaps have mentioned the existence of the TV channel in my nomination - sometimes it's easy to overlook things that seem obvious to ourselves, but aren't obvious to other people. My apologies for that. --bonadea contributions talk 09:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem. Jalsha Movies Production was created in October 2013 as a simple redirect to Dev (actor) and editor Materialscientist changed the redirect later that same day as more fitting to STAR India's Jalsha Movies. It was in December 2013 that unsourced content began being added. There was information in it at that time that, even in lacking notability for a separate article, could have led to enough results to merit a return of the redirect to Dev (actor) or Jalsha Movies... an alternative that could have been done without bringing this to AFD. Tell ya what... after this is likely deleted, and since I am a non-involved, non-sock, I'll go ahead and recreate the redirect and then WP:PROTECT it to prevent from unnecessary expansion. Schmidt, Michael Q. 09:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Delete and WP:PROTECT. Protection requested per Michael Schmidt's suggestion. But delete rather than redirect, as I found no reliable sourcing to indicate existence, and I don't want WP to be used to give creedence to nonsense, even if only in the form of a redirect. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 12:38, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. and salt Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Marcus Stanley (pianist)

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    Not-very-notable musician, who is best known for having been attacked and shot; now uses that incident as the basis for a career as an inspirational speaker. A previous article about him was deleted in December 2014, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marcus Stanley, so this is really a second AfD. The article was then recreated and speedy-deleted three times, whereupon the title Marcus Stanley was salted. I declined G4 speedy in this case because this version is not identical and there are some new references. I think he is probably still not notable, but I am bringing it to the community for decision. MelanieN (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete and Salt - I really want to find a reason to keep this article as it is a great story [19], but unfortunately there is not enough to show WP:GNG. Also, I normally would not vote to salt an article; however, there is a big reason why I will for this. The article was previously created under Marcus Stanley and deleted after discussion. The fact that is was recreated under a disambiguation shows me that someone is trying to get around the system. As such, I would vote to salt both this and the original. Have them take it to Articles For Creation next time. --TTTommy111 (talk) 00:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Eric Stefani

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    Delete: as non-notable musician. Much of his career derives from his sister, Gwen Stefani.Quis separabit? 01:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • 'Weak Keep per Hithladaeus Artw (talk) 15:54, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Merge and redirect to No Doubt. There isn't sufficient sourced information for a standalone article. If more sources and content can be added then keeping may be an option, but merging and redirecting seems appropriate right now. Even if all we had was that he was a founder member of No Doubt it would still be worth a redirect. Puzzling why this wasn't considered rather than bringing it to AfD. --Michig (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Fenda Audio India

    http://www.fendaaudio.com/about/ is an Indian subsidy brand for http://fenda.gmc.globalmarket.com/company.html


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    I can't see this as meeting WP:ORG - all the sources are either routine product reviews (mainly launch reports of the same product), product entries in online stores, or other sites that are designed to promote companies or products. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:10, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Sunset Records(2008)

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    Not enough coverage in reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. Note this is not the same company as Sunset Records JbhTalk 11:50, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Due to a lack of coverage in reliable sources to establish verifiability and notability. Davewild (talk) 14:13, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Ahmed Haaji Ibrahim Artan Beeldaaje

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    WP:NOTABILITY. Google search returns 1 article in Somali.

    I am also nominating the following related page because of dubious references in Somali. Both pages have been created by the same editor who has created similar (now deleted) articles in the past. The Coat of Arms in the infobox is also not from the supposed house, it's from the the CoA of Italian Somaliland.

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    His grandfather is Beeldaaje, which is monarchy name.Ahmed Haaji Ibrahim Artan Beeldaaje Is Somali Politician who is running for parliamentarian in Somalia. I have moved to Ahmed Ibrahim Artan which is his popular name — Preceding unsigned comment added by A326 (talkcontribs) 15:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment: You haven't addressed the other editors' concerns that the article can't be verified (because the references are in Somali), and that the assertion of notability is based upon the subject's father or grandfather being notable – see WP:NOTINHERITED. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    removed an Articles for deletion notice Ahmed Haaji Ibrahim Artan Beeldaaje — Preceding unsigned comment added by A326 (talkcontribs) 16:06, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Like the template comment says, "Please do not remove or change this AfD message until the issue is settled." I have restored the template. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Home grown food festival

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    May not meet notability guidelines for events. I dream of horses (T) @ 09:58, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was no consensus. Davewild (talk) 14:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Dolans

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    notability tagged for four years-notability is not inherited Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Delete: It really probably does pass the notability guidelines, if someone were willing to work on it, but it has been sitting for four years with tags! Another glorious illustration of Eventualism, I guess. The article as it presents itself has no claims to notability whatsoever, but, given its marquee status, the odds of write ups and the like are astronomical. Hithladaeus (talk) 18:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    @A bit iffy:I want to change to "keep," as I've read the name of the place in journalism (just, "I went to Dolans while waiting for the Irish championships" -- nothing more), so I feel as if, given the way music venues and bars get local press and more, the sources have to exist, but ... good grief the article came here as advertising, and that's a policy violation. Hithladaeus (talk) 02:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep - they also won the venue award in 2014 (I added ref). That's pretty impressive to win best live venue in Ireland considering Limerick hardly has the music scene of bigger cities like Dublin. МандичкаYO 😜 08:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    AlphaMax Academy

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    Non-notable private school and my searches (News, Books, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary) found nothing significant and notable to improve aside from one Books and various browser links. There's also no possible target for moving elsewhere because the only link is Education in Suriname. SwisterTwister talk 19:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was redirect to LLamasoft. Davewild (talk) 14:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Donald Hicks

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    This is the only source I can find providing substantial coverage of the subject. The others are primary sources e.g. [20] or brief mentions in relation to LLamasoft e.g. [21]. This is cited but doesn't even mention him. I suggest that we redirect to LLamasoft since the "multiple" part of WP:BASIC is not satisfied. SmartSE (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Sandhyaragam (1991 film)

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    No sources to confirm the existence of the film, fails WP:NFF. Vensatry (ping) 10:59, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Found another [25] - They're not amazing but they're mentions so that atleast confirms it exists, I'd imagine they'd be a few offline but I mean to be fair it doesn't look like a well known film hence the lack of sources/info. –Davey2010Talk 14:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete - As demonstrated above I'm only finding sources for the 1989 film, I didn't realize the other film had a director added which is why I kept adding the above sources - I blame the heatwave we're currently experiencing in the UK right now . –Davey2010Talk 14:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. Due to lack of participation with no prejudice to a speedy relist. Davewild (talk) 14:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    MedjetAssist

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    Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Other than the one article from the Birmingham Business Journal, all of the references on the article are either unreliable sources, promotional in nature, or simply passing mentions of the company, separate from the substantive content of the story. Inks.LWC (talk) 22:26, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    I did some good research before creating this article. Actually, Medjet was the first to pioneer the air medical transport membership concept in the United States in 1991. Medjet is accredited by the Better Business Bureau with an A+ rating and seems to have a lot of articles written about them or are mentioned as one of the best options for supplemental travel insurance (in reliable sources independent sources, e.g., Forbes.com, latimes.com, yahoo.com, wsj.com). I strongly believe Medjet “is a valid subject for a separate Wikipedia article dedicated solely to that organization or product” because of the secondary sources found on the company here, here, here. Looking for further opinions by other editors. Mohith:) 13:20, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Rainmaker Labs

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    Not enough coverage in reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCOMP. JbhTalk 23:37, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - With my results showing for a "Rainmaker's lab", I was able to tell though that this hasn't received considerable coverage aside from this and this. It was recently started in 2011 so that suggests any coverage within the past few years is the only existing and there's no target for moving elsewhere as the only possible target is "List of companies in Singapore". I'm not sure if there's good Singaporean coverage but I'm not seeing anything from my perspective suggesting this is notable. SwisterTwister talk 19:05, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Vaughn Bullard

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    While it seems this person has done a lot of things, none of them actually make him notable. Starting a small business and playing uncredited roles without any significant coverage. Fails WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR Winner 42 Talk to me! 23:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete with no possible target for moving elsewhere. His IMDb makes it obvious he hasn't had any major or breaking roles (all minor, "bar patron", "security officer", "henchman", etc.) and my first searches found nothing. No good coverage amounts to no notability not even the slightest. SwisterTwister talk 18:54, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. Davewild (talk) 14:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Satisfaction approval voting

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    Delete. Original research. This article can come back when this method has actually been adopted somewhere or been published in a peer-reviewed journal. Markus Schulze 06:53, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Keep. This article has references, and while they may not be from a peer reviewed journal, they are from reputable sources (New York University and the University of Valladolid). As such this is not 'original research'. The requirement for peer reviewed references seems a somewhat high bar that is not required for many other topics, and does not seem relevant in this case, as no statements requiring of peer review (mathematical conclusions or assertions regarding the method's efficacy or fairness) have been made, simply a rather easily verifiable point about being able to add up the results easily. Felixaldonso (talk) 10:09, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Also, after a brief search, these may in fact be peer reviewed papers (not sure how to verify that, or where you would want to see the references in the article, but hopefully this should demonstrate that the method is worthy of an article):

    • http://arxiv.org/abs/1407.8269
    • S. J. Brams, D. M. Kilgour, and M. R. Sanver. Mathematics and democracy: Designing better voting and fair-division procedures. In How to elect a representative committee using approval balloting, pages 83--96. Springer, 2006.
    • S. J. Brams and D. M. Kilgour. Satisfaction approval voting. In Voting Power and Procedures, Studies in Choice and Welfare, pages 323--346. Springer, 2014.

    Felixaldonso (talk) 10:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    The second paper doesn't mention satisfaction approval voting. Markus Schulze 11:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    A fair point, and well made. The other two articles however do, which I think is still more than sufficient. Felixaldonso (talk) 11:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it's clear that the articles are talking about this specific SAV. Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not sure how you have reached this conclusion - the arxiv paper specifically references 'Brams & Kilgour, 2014', and the other paper is written by Brams and Kilgour, so I find it highly unlikely that they would have defined two separate systems and chosen to refer to them by the same name. In addition, the definition sum(|W∩Ai| / |Ai|) in the arxiv paper is fairly unambiguously the definition "sum over all voters of voter's successful candidates over total votes cast by voter". Perhaps the article could be edited to make this clearer, but this is an argument for improvement not deletion. Felixaldonso (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete It was hard to decide. The article is certainly reasonable, but it is really about a proposed idea and I don't think that meets WP standards for notability. Not exactly "made up in a day" since it must have taken longer and the people who made it up have some qualifications. Another clue for me is that it seems like no one has published any objections to it.Kitfoxxe (talk) 14:46, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    As one of only about 3 (that I am aware of) multiple-winner cardinal voting systems, I would say that it is fairly notable. Especially when compared with the sheer number of condorcet voting methods that have an article such as Dodgson's method. Ultimately, this is not an article giving a D-list celebrity an ego boost - it is a serious article about an interesting, mathematically grounded proposal, with references to respected academics. Its presence on Wikipedia is not (unlike a D-list celebrity promotion piece) going to bring Wikipedia into ill repute, and so the relentless drive to cull it may be somewhat misplaced. I would also like to add that I have no relation to Brams, Kilgour et al, and have no particular vested interest in this particular system - it just seems an omission from Wikipedia to have such thorough coverage of so many fairly niche voting methods, but to not include this rather unusual one. Felixaldonso (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Comment. I criticize that this article contains undefined euphemisms ("satisfaction"), weasel words ("SAV aims to maximise the electorate's satisfaction.") and sentences that make absolutely no sense ("A voter's satisfaction gained for each elected candidate is independent of how many of their choices have been elected, making satisfaction additive."). Every election method tries to "maximise the electorate's satisfaction"; they only differ in how they determine the maximum satisfaction. The proposed method is a trivial modification of approval voting without any theoretic justification. Markus Schulze 14:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I'm not sure how 'satisfaction' can be as an 'undefined euphemism' given that it's defined in the article ("satisfaction ... is equal to 1/n where n is..."). Your criticisms of the method and it's name may well be correct, but are irrelevant to whether it should be deleted under WP:N. FPTP is a terrible voting system, but that doesn't stop it being notable :). As for that sentence, it's not best phrased but the meaning seems obvious enough (it's saying that under that definition of satisfaction, if two of your choices are elected (i.e. in a multi-winner election) you get twice as much satisfaction as if one was) -- I'm sure you could phrase it better, so go ahead. -- simxp (talk) 20:01, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment If the word used in the literature is "satisfaction", then we should use "satisfaction". It is not a weasel word or euphemism in this context since it is well defined. A bit like how "monster" is not pejorative when talking about the monster group. In that context, "maximizing electorat satisfaction" is just like saying "maximizing f(x)" when you have defined a function f. "Independent" in the sentence you quote is in a very standard mathematical sense of "does not affect", and additive is totally clear in that context. Sure, you may disagree with the notation or terminology. I personally find using kernel for a function to integrate against, or in the context of an OS downright misleading, but it doesn't mean I get to go change it on Wikipedia. Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:35, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep The method has been the subject of some papers, not all by the people who thought of it. Seems like a well-written, if short article. The references currently in the article are not peer-rviewed per say, but Springer is a very respected publisher and conference proceedings from reputable conferences are also pretty good sources in math. Happy Squirrel (talk) 19:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete It is not getting much attention in US national news or magazines although it seems like a great idea for our dysfunctional democracy. Article is well-written, nice diagrams, wonder if material could be kept in another article on voting methods, such as Approval voting (Brams is covered rather extensively there). If and when this topic gets coverage, we should bring it back, but until then it looks like original research unfortunately.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 23:56, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. While there was a close numerical division of opinion, the delete are more policy compliant. The strongest keep !vote pointed out sourcing, but they were trivial mentions rather than substantive information useful in article building. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 01:46, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Joseph Kevin Bracken

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    Delete: Notability derived almost wholly as father of Brendan Bracken and notability is not inherited. Part about GAA already contained in Brendan Bracken and GAA articles. Most of his stub of a life story is already contained in a few lines in the Brendan Bracken article. Quis separabit? 17:20, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    @Laurel Lodged: respectfully I must disagree. Of the seven founding names given in History of the Gaelic Athletic Association, two (John McKay, Joseph O'Ryan) have no articles. Therefore, ipso facto, co-founding the GAA, does not it and of itself entitle one to automatic notability and therefore a Wikipedia article. Thus, J.K. Bracken is not notable solely as a GAA co-founder, and the remainder of his article is almost exclusively family details, namely son Brendan. Quis separabit? 22:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment The only source cited merely mentions Joseph Kevin Bracken briefly, in a passage about his son. Joseph Kevin Bracken may or may not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines, but the present sourcing of the article does not show that he does so. Laurel Lodged, if you know of sources which establish his notability, please add them to the article, because just stating "he is notable enough in his own right" without providing evidence is not enough. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep - he was quite a notable man in his times, according to this account, credited as a transcript from the Tipperary Star, but the text seems to have been (partly?) already published here in Tipperary: History and Society: Interdisciplinary Essays on the History of an Irish County (1985). He's also mentioned here, here and here. Kraxler (talk) 19:37, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • delete extremely marginal notability, not enough for an article. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 23:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    CKII+ House Medici

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    I really don't know what this is supposed to be.

    It claims to be "historical fan fiction" in the heading, but there's no explanation of book, author, etc, and no sources. In fact, it's not even clear what the title is supposed to be with the article called "CKII+ House Medici" and the heading "House Medici".

    The content itself reads like an attempted history of the House of Medici itself, but we already have a well-developed article on that (which, incidentally, makes no mention of a "Rodrigos de Medici").

    If this is supposed to be about a work of fiction, without any clue as to the author Google doesn't help as "House Medici" find lots of hits about the eponymous house. Mr Potto (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:45, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Sher-e-Poonch Khawaja. Ghulam Qadir Bandey

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    The page make claims that are unverifiable. No citations could be found on him but seems like the person might have been notable. As the person is not living anymore and not many trusted sources are available of his time, it would be wise to move the page back to the user space and improve it there. Mr RD (talk) 17:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - I'm not very optimistic about drafting/userfying because it seems the user was gone for a considerable time so that makes me question if they would commit to improving the article (and seems to be a SPA so that also questions commitment); but I suppose if the user wants to draft/userfy it, go ahead. With that said, this could only be improved if sources (preferably published sources) are available and, considering this is a bio for someone from the past century, I'm not sure if good sources are available online and English (more likely non-English and offline). Even the most simple of my searches found nothing and the current sources don't help much for improvement and notability. SwisterTwister talk 18:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Félix Malpica Valverde

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    I had hoped to PROD this but the article was kept at AfD more than nine years ago. Owner of several Mexican radio stations, all in the same state (see Grupo FM). Unfortunately the age of all the listed sources means they are no longer available. Líderes de Opinión was prodded in August 2009 and deleted. Raymie (tc) 16:25, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Malappuram local slang

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    unsourced WP:OR, WP:NOT Gaijin42 (talk) 16:05, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete per nom. - Denimadept (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Aminu Sadiq Ogwuche

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    The article is a case of WP:BLP1E. Subject of the article did not even carry out the claimed attack. He his nothing but a suspect and nothing seemed to be notable about him outside the event. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 14:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Keep per WP:BIO1E or merge to April 2014 Abuja bombing. If this is a case of WP:BLP1E then Dylann Roof should not have an article of his own. Ogwuche is suspected of masterminding at least two terrorist bomb attacks (not a single event!) that killed 104 people. WP:BIO1E states that "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate... if an event is of sufficient importance, even relatively minor participants may require their own articles, for example Howard Brennan, a witness to the JFK assassination." In this case the events are highly significant and the role played by Ogwuche a large one with persistent coverage in reliable sources Ochiwar (talk) 09:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia does not keep article per WP:BIO1E and Other stuff exists is not a valid argument on Wikipedia. Wikigyt@lk to M£ 21:15, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Mojo Photo Booth

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    No notability. References are its own BBB page and a business opportunity ad. No mention on Google news. RogerThatTypo (talk) 19:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete per nomination: Claim to be "featured in Entrepreneur Magazine as the Best Booth on the Market" is just their own ad on Entrepreneur Magazine's website — so basically WP:SPAM from someone who knows that's the best claim to fame they had. Attempt at Google search is overwhelmingly franchisees/licensees or something all over the country flogging it for their own region, plus a very negative (and detailed) review from someone who apparently had one of these things. Also seems to have some kind of personal connection to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knox equity group. --Closeapple (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    This is nothing more than an advertisement for their business. Please delete... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Party Booths (talkcontribs) 02:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was merge to Alien Youth. T. Canens (talk) 00:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Alien Youth: The Unplugged Invasion

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    Notability tag removed after seven years. Probably best to merge with the album it is associated with. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 14:58, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Tatiana Saribekian

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    no actual evidence of notability. Being on a Board of directors is not notability, nor is being ceo of a branch of a company. `` DGG ( talk ) 03:56, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE Davewild (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Music Association of Central Texas

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    What appears to be a non-notable organization maybe mostly locally notable with my searches (News, Books, highbeam and thefreelibrary) finding nothing aside from some news links here (mostly for events). I'm from Texas but not Central Texas so I'm not familiar with this group but I'm not seeing any good sign of improvement. SwisterTwister talk 05:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was no consensus. Due to lack of participation with no prejudice to a speedy relist. Davewild (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    MessagePack

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    Tagged for questionable notability since March 2012. I had a look for reliable sources myself and came up empty-handed. Unless someone can point to substantial coverage in independent sources, I suggest this article should be deleted. Psychonaut (talk) 09:31, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    3 years later, and MessagePack is perhaps more notable than when this was posted. See e.g. RubyInside. I have frequently seen it listed alongside Protocol Buffers, Avro, and JSON as a serialization format. Wackywendell (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 15:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Grupo FM

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    Owns three Mexican radio stations, all in the same state. Does not meet the WP:GNG and I'm surprised it's lasted this long. Raymie (tc) 05:52, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Speedy deleted as a G5 by User:JohnCD. (non-admin closure) Joseph2302 (talk) 23:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Dina Rae (recording artist)

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    Still fails WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. (G4 speedy was declined because the most recent AfD was closed early when the article was speedied under G5.) —teb728 t c 19:38, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    @TEB728: It does not fail WP:MUSICBIO, her debut single And? peaked at number 97 on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs.[1] Kandiwell 20:10, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Keep - I am currently working on the article to get it into tip top shape and I would appreciate for the article not to be deleted as I really don't want to re-do it over and over if I'm being honest.... Kandiwell 17:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, unless/until there is a second Dina Rae article out there (which I guess is technically possible, I believe there's an author out there with the same name), there is no reason to have disambiguation (the "recording artist" part) because those are only use to distinguish between other Wikipedia articles, and there is no such 2nd article to distinguish from here. It should just be "Dina Rae". Sergecross73 msg me 02:54, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sergecross73: is this AfD even necessary; you declined the speedy deletion the other day and I'm finding more and more stuff about Dina that I'm filling in the page with references so is this even relevant? Please tell me Kandiwell 14:50, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hi Kandiwell. Yes, this is the proper protocol actually. People have the ability to nominate an article for speedy deletion when they think an article uncontroversial does not meet Wikipedia's standard for having an article. I declined that nomination - as an artist that appeared on multi-platinum releases and had a charting song, I didn't think it was a good speedy delete option. From there, editors usually go into one of two directions - some drop it, while others, who still feel that the article should be deleted, decide to open up a debate like this, here at WP:AFD, to see if there is a consensus from all the participants to see what to do with the article. (Keep, Delete, redirect, etc.)
    • So basically, what you want to do now, is to take a stance on the article. Much like we've been doing with putting "Comment" in bold at the beginning of statements above, you want to start off with a stance (Keep, delete, etc), and then explain how it meets either the General Notability Guideline or one of the more specific ones, like something relevant at WP:NMUSIC. Generally, the easiest way to prove this/convince people, is to show that reliable sources wrote about the subject - journalists writing articles with Dina Rae as the main topic. Sergecross73 msg me 15:53, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Sergecross73: does an biography from a music website count as reliable; she hasn't had any biographies written about her nor has she released an autobiography yet (who knows she might in the near future....) 16:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
    • It would really depend on what website and what biography it was. A list of commonly used/avoided websites can be found at WP:ALBUMS/REVSIT. (It may be from the Albums Wikiprojects, but it could be applied to any music article.) I'd give you an example source...but honestly I'm having a hard time finding a good one... Sergecross73 msg me 17:13, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Are you talking about the MTV bio there is out there? In general MTV is usually a reliable source, but that particular article looks funny, lacking formatting and whatnot. Looks like it may be ripped from some other site, which, in that case, we'd have to figure out where it came from and/or who wrote it. As far as the link, the direct link is WP:ALBUM/SOURCE, if that helps. I don't know why it would crash unless its such a big page that it causes your computer/device to lock up when you load it or something. Sergecross73 msg me 17:22, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sergecross73: that's the one, it copied itself from a cite I once saw and dor the life of me I can not remember it and it changed that she grew up listing to a wide range of musical icons such as Teena Marie (MTV changed it to Madonna) and Method Man, so I put it to Teena Marie as originally stated , I hope that helps =). Kandiwell 18:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete, the article contains not a single reliable third-party source that covers Dina Rae in some detail. Whatever she might have done, apparently the coverage we'd need to write an article simply does not exist. Even the previous deletion discussions cite better (but still insufficient) references than the current, at least fourth, incarnation of the article. Huon (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    @Huon: two things as I won't be on for long tonight; I've read what you meant about the pictures I've uploaded but I am struggling with the pixels on Paint (can you please reply to that issue on my talk page if at all possible? I know I shouldn't have mentioned it here but like I said I won't be on for long) and I agree if the page does stay for it to go as just Dina Rae too and whilst I'm on the subject on Dina Rae; that re-listed thing do I have to add another comment like Keep or Delete or does mine from the Dina Rae (recording artist) count for the Dina Rae (singer) consensus? Kandiwell 20:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - only one "vote" per deletion discussion, please. Usually pages shouldn't be moved while the discussion is ongoing to avoid such issues. Huon (talk) 20:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete or draftify - after removing scads of copyvio material from the MTV article on Rae and eliminating all of the unreliable sources, there really isn't much left to demonstrate notability (either by GNG or MUSICBIO). A few interviews, an MTV page, and Eminem's personal website (which is primarily an interview anyway) are the only things there. If Kandiwell wants to keep working on this, then by all means chuck it to the Draft space, but it doesn't qualify as an Article yet. Additionally, the article is heavily promotional. Primefac (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • It shouldn't really matter, as it's always been about the same subject. Why did you change it from "recording artist" to "singer"? I thought we agreed that nothing at all was necessary, because there isn't another Wikipedia article with her name? Dina Rae is the correct choice due to Wikipedia naming conventions. (Though, it wouldn't be good to move again until the AFD is over.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sergecross73 I tried to upload it as just Dina Rae but it was locked and I was unable to call it that and even I thought after submitting it as Recording artist did sound a bit.... wet to be honest if the just Dina Rae had existed no doubt I would've called it that Kandiwell 19:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Kandiwell, this is perfectly normal for a contentious AfD; the longest they can run is 3 weeks. Primefac (talk) 23:40, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Usually it lasts 7 days, but if there's not a clear consensus, it's often extended for a week or two. Sergecross73 msg me 00:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • I've partially struck above as wasn't aware someone had created a legit draft of her, I have no objections to it being recreated providing it's not by the sock and is better than now (I imagine the draft is). –Davey2010Talk 16:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Note to the closing admin: If you are thinking of keeping this article, please consider that the author, Kandiwell, has been indef blocked as a sock of banned MariaJaydHicky. —teb728 t c 05:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC) I just noticed that keep !voter Sucka4luvin has also been indef blocked as a sock of MariaJaydHicky. —teb728 t c 05:54, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete. This should be speedily deleted because it was created by a sockpuppet of banned editor MariaJaydHicky. Despite my 'delete' vote, folks here should know that I worked on Draft:Dina Rae back in January, completely remaking the article from the ground up. That draft has not been approved for mainspace, nor has it been rejected. I think there should be an article about this musical artist, but not the one that MariaJaydHicky keeps trying to put into the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changing my vote to Speedy delete per G5, but I would support recreation of this article by a non-sockpuppet. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. Dennis Brown - 00:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Tryton

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    Fork of a (recently deleted after repeat spamming) fork. The sources cited do not establish notability. They are not significant, reliable, independent coverage - the only one that even looks like it is actually just republishing a press release. Guy (Help!) 12:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • I dont understand this deletion request at all...Tryton is a very active project and community, far away from the original TinyERP @JzG, can you explain your request more in detail? Coogor (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • KEEP Wikipedia has a reputation for helping the world find things of value and provide some background and references to help to stimulate more inquiry. When it comes to ERP this project which has evolved into Oodo is an important application as it is an tested, effective open-source application that provides effective ERP services in other-wise over priced commercial. It is the ERP environment we use in our college management courses. The references and wikipedia entry provides an excellent starting point for potential students wanting to know about this software.

    Rbatzing (talk) 18:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep. A.s already stated, Tryton has a very active community [26] [27] [28], with approximately 250,000 SLOC [29] [30], it is quite a big software project, has been investigated e.g. by Fraunhofer [31], the University of Bern [32], featured in the Journal of Emerging Trends in Computing and Information Sciences [33], has been reviewed by multiple independent sources e.g. [34] [35], has coverage on a popular development Q&A platform [36] and the Google search [37] returns more than 44,000 pages. Huskytreiber (talk) 12:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. Notability has been established due to significant coverage in reliable sources. Davewild (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Glocal Forum

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    Consensus at first AfD was for deletion, but article was never deleted. Obviously 10 years passage of time makes CSD G4 out of the question. Appears to be a defunct forum that never achieved the notability standards for organizations. Safiel (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Delete per the discussion in the previous AfD, all of which is pertinent to the present incarnation. To be technical: according to the deletion log, the article was deleted on 12 May 2005 pursuant to the previous AfD, and it was later speedily deleted on 13 June 2007 as a copyvio. Although the source of the copyvio is no longer visible (due to the demise of the forum), in all likelihood it was also the source of the present incarnation. —teb728 t c 22:04, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    "Delete No in-line citations. No references. Two dead external links. No sources to document material at all. Tapered (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment I am somewhat disappointed that neither the nomination nor either of the contributions so far address the question of notability but instead entirely discuss the current state of the article and its history. So far as notability is concerned, I would regard this coverage in a textbook from Cambridge University Press as a fairly strong indicator and this also as a reliable source, though probably not quite adequate for notability by themselves. And while other immediately visible reliable sources seem to be passing mentions, I suspect that there would be sufficient substantial reliable coverage, mostly from the organisation's early years, hidden behind snippets on GBooks to pass the notability bar - but only if someone can get at it. On the other points, I would remark that, notability questions aside, the article can't really be kept as it stands: it certainly reads as if it has been largely copied from the organisation's publicity materials, and User:Edmundglocal, the article's creator, has a name which certainly suggests a connection with the organisation. And while the article has been rewritten and substantially expanded since then, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glocal forum (not noted above) places this in an interesting light - the nomination was made by User:Talleyrandnet, who in the process declared himself a member of staff of the Glocal Forum, apparently on the grounds that it duplicated the then article under this title. That article was speedily deleted (as already noted here by User:TEB728) a few hours later, and the current article moved to this title and the AfD closed on the following day. The article was then apparently completely overhauled by User:Talleyrandnet in the period immediately after this, and the article as we now have it seems to be a somewhat shortened version of this. Under the circumstances, I think the best answer is to redirect to Uri Savir, whose role in founding the organisation can be reliably verified, and allow recreation if and when someone can write an article with sufficient independent reliable sources. (Changed !vote, see below) PWilkinson (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • CommentGlad you asked. Just did a google search. After 3 pages (first 30 hits) there was squat, zero, nil, null, zilch, nada, nichts, etc, etc that approached a reliable secondary source that could justify the continued presence of this article in Wikipedia. WP:N = 0. Tapered (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
      1. Guinness, Paul (2011). Geography for the IB Diploma Global Interactions. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 216. ISBN 0521147328. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The book notes on page 216:

        A number of NGOs are actively working to promote glocalisation, including the Glocal Forum (Figure 7). This is a non-profit organisation 'dedicated to the promotion of international inter-city relations in pursuance of a new balance between global and local forces'. The Glocal Forum was founded in 2001 with the First Annual Glocalisation Conference held in May 2002. The conference brought together mayors and city representatives from all over the world. The Glocal Forum emphasises the central role of cities in international relations. The city-to-city approach works to bring together local leaders from both developing and developed countries. Since its inception, over 140 cities have joined the Glocal Forum Network. Figure 8 shows the cities involved in the Glocal Forum Network, with more likely to join in the future. Nearly 100 international agencies and companies have also worked with the Glocal Forum in forwarding the global development vision.

        The Glocal Forum argues that glocalization empowers local communities, linking them to global resources, facilitating development and providing opportunities for local communities to direct positive social change in the areas that most directly affect them. An example of the glocal approach is the 'We Are the Future' programme which aims to secure a better for children and young people in post-conflict areas. This programme was initiated with Child Centres in six developing, post-conflict cities — Addis Ababa, Asmara, Freetown, Kabul, Kigali, and Nablus.

      2. Nordin, Irene Gilsenan; Zamorano Llena, Carmen (2010). Redefinitions of Irish Identity: A Postnationalist Approach. Oxford: Peter Lang. p. 143. ISBN 3039115588. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The book notes on page 143:

        The usage of the term [glocalisation] spread within business circles during the 1990s, and its meaning is contained the popular phrase at the time, 'think global, act local'. At a socio-economic leel The Glocal Forum was founded in 2001, an international, non-profit organization, amongst whose main aims is 'to encourage city-to-city cooperation', so as to 'help people from countries around the world strike the balance between sharing the benefits of globalization and maintaining local autonomy' (The Glocal Forum). Dublin is one of the over 140 cities around the world that are members of The Glocal Forum.

      3. MacPherson, Ian; Emmanuel, Joy (2007). Co-operatives and the Pursuit of Peace. Victoria, British Columbia: New Rochdale Press. p. 18. ISBN 155058362X. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2015-06-27. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The book notes on page 18:

        However, in the last decade, a movement, made up of many people, has grown, focusing on how we can take long-term responsibility for our planet. The “Social Forum” became a symbol of belonging and an opportunity for young people and social movements to mobilise on certain issues. Over time, its aims have become more constructive, not only purely and simply objecting to globalisation, but strongly supporting the idea that “a better world is possible.”

        Another very interesting example is the “Glocal Forum,” an NGO network based in Rome, which promotes peace building and development activities through city-to-city partnerships, youth empowerment, information, and communications technology. The Glocal Forum is a network of over 100 cities, including all of the world’s cities with populations over 500,000.

      4. Montgomery, Lori; Weiss, Eric M. (2005-10-20). "Tracking D.C.'s Traveling Man". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2015-06-27. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The article notes:

        It's Thursday. Do you know where your mayor is?

        Last month, accurate answers would have included Greece, Frankfurt and Vienna. This month, the mayor's itinerary has taken him to California, North Carolina and Chongqing, China. At nearly every stop, Mayor Anthony A. Williams has chosen to serve you, the D.C. taxpayer, by attending . . . a conference.

        What's so all-fired important about these conferences that Williams (D) regularly travels thousands of miles to attend them? We stopped by the fourth annual Glocalization Conference this month to get a taste of the action.

        The Glocalization Conference is the meeting of the Glocal Forum, a Rome-based nonprofit group "devoted to peace-building and development through a decentralized city-to-city approach to international cooperation," according to the Glocalization Manifesto.

        Last year, Williams had to go all the way to Rome for the big meeting. This year, it was held at Gallup headquarters near Gallery Place, just a short hop across town.

      5. Kennemer, Daniel (2006-08-05). "Time for war, and time to talk". The Jerusalem Post. Archived from the original on 2015-06-27. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The Glocal Forum is discussed extensively in the article. The article mentions "Glocal Forum" 14 times.

      6. "Tejari to Empower Online Procurement for 100 Cities through the Glocal eCities Network". Al Bawaba. 2006-08-29. Archived from the original on 2015-06-27. Retrieved 2015-06-27.

        The article notes:

        In one of the key events of the fifth annual Glocalization conference held recently in Ankara, Turkey, Tejari has signed an agreement with Glocal Forum to create an online portal to provide procurement services to a network of more than 100 city governments and mayors across the five continents.

        The Glocal Forum is an international non-profit organization dedicated to improving inter-city relations by means of ‘glocalization’, a merger of global opportunities and local interests, aimed at creating a socio-economically balanced world. The Glocal Forum brings together major international institutions like the World Bank and several specialized UN agencies, private sector partners and other global actors to work at the local level. One of the major initiatives of the forum is the Glocal eCities Network Program to enable cities to modernize their governance processes with the use of information and communication technology (ICT).

        ...

        Since its inception, the Glocal network has grown by more than 263% and includes today 10% of the world’s major cities and a total population of over 132.million in 60 countries. The Glocal network is made up of cities from Europe (50%), the United States (14%), Africa and the Middle East (22%), Asia (8%) and Latin America (6%).

      7. "Forum of world capitals opens in Rome, to be attended by Moscow". Pravda. 2003-05-24. Archived from the original on 2015-06-27. Retrieved 2015-06-27.
      There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Glocal Forum to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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    • Comment @Cunard. Good work on finding documentation. I won't put a "Keep" on this unless somebody harmonizes the article with your refs. I'm not going to do it for at least 2 days. Most of the article closely resembles public relations/advertising, violating WP:NOTSOAPBOX, plus it's undocumented. It will need to be documented somehow, or go. The article will be close to a stump, but that's in accord with the limited information on the subject. Tapered (talk) 04:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:24, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Biochemic tissue salt

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    This article fails the WP:GNG notability criterion as none of its sources WP:V verifies its notability. Google News and Newspapers turn up nothing. AadaamS (talk) 05:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete. Nom is right, fails WP:GNG. Alexbrn (talk) 17:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 15:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Anupama Parameshwaran

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    Not a notable actress, not enough sources prove notability Fazbear7891 (talk) 05:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Anand ramaraju

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    Contested PROD. Has been PRODded twice. I dream of horses (T) @ 04:51, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. If anyone thinks they can use the current contents to create an article that meets the notability guidelines then I will happily userfy for you. Davewild (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Chickering Livestock

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    No indication of importance Rberchie (talk) 14:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    This was a Major Center in The United States for the Purpose of Selling Livestock during the Years 1940 through 1960 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sawdawgman (talkcontribs) 14:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Userfy Sawdawgman, for an article to be included in Wikipedia the topic needs to pass WP's policies on WP:NOTABILITY, which you should read. This appears to be your first edit, and creating new articles on WP is actually quite complex. The article can be moved to your own sandbox (under your account, which you create at User:Sawdawgman/sandbox) where you can work on it until it is ready for publication. I suggest also looking at Articles for Creation which is a process by which your article can be viewed by others and suggestions made for improving it. This article is not ready to be in the main wiki space -- yet. Good luck, and feel free to visit the Teahouse where you can ask questions about how to do things. LaMona (talk) 02:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Userfy - Of all my searches (News, Books, Newspapers Archive, highbeam and thefreelibrary) this was the best result. SwisterTwister talk 18:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 19:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    David Oliver Cauldwell

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    Non-noable. No evidence of WP:PROF — James Cantor (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Comment If Caudwell introduced the term "transsexualism", and there are sources to show as much, then doesn't that suggest notability? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. The term was actually introduced by Magnus Hirschfeld. The RS used to claim that it was Cauldwell actually says the very opposite. Here is the exact quote: "Although sexologist David O. Cauldwell is often credited for coining the term 'transsexual,' it was Magnus Hishfeld who should be credited since he mentioned the term 'seelischer Transsexualismus.'" — James Cantor (talk) 13:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Comment. That does not make sense: The first RS provided (page 17 or elsewhere) provides no mention of Cauldwell, and the mention given in the second RS (although well and good) does not meet any of the criteria in WP:PROF. Mere mention in an RS does not meet WP criteria for having an independent page. — James Cantor (talk) 23:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Well, yes, the 17th page of that book says that Cauldwell wrote several pamphlets about sex, which no one is contesting. Rather, I am pointing out that that such pamphlets (regardless of number) do not meet WP:PROF, which indicateS not only that such works need to be entire books but also that such books need to receive substantial mention (such as from book reviews in recognized outlets). Booklets do not have the same status as books, and no RS is available that is equivalent to a scholarly book review. I agree that such folks may be over the threshold, but nothing says that Cauldwell actually is. — James Cantor (talk) 01:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Per what bio sources I do not contest the content of the "keep" comments, but I do contest only that those comments meet any of the criteria mentioned in WP:PROF. Mere mention/discussion in RS's does not meet WP:PROF. There is no opposition to mention of the subject in relevant pages, but none of (passing) mentions in the the RS's given justify creating a page unto itself. — James Cantor (talk) 23:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Would you list, please, what those RS's are? The only ones which claim that he coined the terms "transsexual" have turned out to be wrong. If there is any other RS that has listed any other claim to notability, no one gas cited what it is. — James Cantor (talk) 01:49, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Would you list, please, what those RS's are? – I cited one right above your reply: a 2002 book published by Harvard University Press, How Sex Changed: A History of Transsexuality in the United States. The second source is the Journal of the West article I listed above that "discusses the professional relationship between Haldeman and U.S. medical doctor, sexologist, and author David Oliver Cauldwell". Both of these are very reputable sources. The coverage on pages 42–45 of the book and the substantial coverage in the journal article are significant enough for the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which defines "significant coverage" as "address[ing] the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content". Cunard (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:19, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    World of Hallmark

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    I did a Google search, and found nothing. There were never any refs outside of a Google Doc either, so this book does not seem to be published yet. Datbubblegumdoe (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete per nomination. -- Mikeblas (talk) 16:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Delete. As far as I can tell, this hasn't been published yet. I do wish the author well, but this just isn't notable enough for Wikipedia - and given how difficult it is for non-mainstream books to gain coverage in reliable sources, it likely isn't going to be notable any time soon. Don't take that badly, Ari - there are a lot of books, some of which are very well written and popular that fail the notability guidelines on Wikipedia. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete - My searches found absolutely nothing aside form a link that seems to be Japanese so this may indeed be a Japanese thus no good English sources. Unfortunately, this is unacceptable at this time and I'm not seeing any improvement. SwisterTwister talk 06:51, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was merge to Religion in Mozambique. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding by some about our policy on inclusion, making much of the keep arguments weak, so there is unquestionably a consensus to delete. Some of the information may be useful and a couple mentioned merge to Religion in Mozambique, thus this seems the most logical outcome based on the discussion. Please notify me or any other admin once the merge is complete, so this article can be deleted. Dennis Brown - 00:10, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Jehovah's Witnesses in Mozambique

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    Insufficient notability. Entire section 'First contact' is a copyright violation from the cited source (translated back into English from Portuguese version but obviously consistent with the English version). Apart from a very brief mention in a news article about a broader subject, the only non-primary source is a Microsoft Word document someone has uploaded in cloud storage. Merge brief details to Religion in Mozambique. Jeffro77 (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Comment: In case there is any doubt, the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses in Mozambique is not a notable subject is not intended to suggest that either Jehovah's Witnesses or Mozambique are not notable subjects. Jehovah's Witnesses do not make up a significant proportion of the population of Mozambique (0.23%), and Jehovah's Witnesses in Mozambique do not make up a significant proportion of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide (0.69%).--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Maintain :I did not tell very well known history for anything, but because there are facts that prove the veracity of the story, and following a policy of fundamental here (Wikipedia) is verifiability or reliable sources and do not see where is the fault of this article to be being discussed ... I not only good English as can be noted'm collaborator in Wikipedia in Portuguese and here colaboradoro by interest ... However, one should not use personal reasons for discussions on certain issues, then I suggest the mention of the failure of the article and I do not consider fault what my colleague said to be counting "very well-known story."rgimo (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Jehovah's Witnesses in Mozambique are not especially notable either in respect to Mozambique or Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses have had government opposition in various countries, and a section about Mozambique could be added to Jehovah's Witnesses and governments for that purpose (if there are sufficient sources). It does not justify a separate article, and certainly not one that is based only on primary sources.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The fact that it 'is an African country' has nothing to do with anything. The subject is not supported by reliable secondary sources. JWs in Mozambique make up a negligible proportion of people in Mozambique and of JWs worldwide. Also, your example of 'a denomination with 90 congregations in UK or US' isn't even supported by articles under that criteria. The broader subject of JWs generally is very well covered on Wikipedia. Less than a quarter of 1 percent does not constitute "significant penetration into a country".--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Merge and Redirect to Religion in Mozambique. The subject isn't notable and notability is a must-have for standalone articles. Article content only has to be verifiable and as such it can be added my suggested target article. AadaamS (talk) 08:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Delete - I fail to see any notability. It seems like a very small number of people. The Portuguese article (primarily language of Mozambique) is also suspect - first subsection is "First contact with the truth"!!! МандичкаYO
    The creator and primary author of the Portuguese article is the same person who created the article in English. As you have suggested, the Portuguese version is not neutral. It also most likely incorporates copyright violations, as that article formed the basis for the English article which contains entire sections of translated copyrighted text.--Jeffro77 (talk) 09:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I agree with Peterkingiron, many articles that are created come from an influential country are approved without any criticism. As already discussed I approve the article as it tells a real fact and we see that their history is real abase sources quoted. Prosuponho that there are many items with a single source, but insentos of criticism ... That's all I could do to make public a history of a religion which is also part of a country not to go into oblivion. But rather that ageração vindora the better ...rgimo (talk) 19:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Do not delete other editors' comments as you did to my comment that I have restored above.[38] The reason for deleting the article has nothing to do with whether a particular country is "influential".--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep --- This is a modest sized denomination in a reasonably well done article. I added {{WikiProject Africa|class=start|importance=low|Mozambique=yes|Mozambique-importance=low}} {{WikiProject Christianity |class=start|importance=low |jehovah's-witnesses=yes |jehovah's-witnesses-importance=low |core-topics-work-group = yes |core-topics-importance=low}} on the talk page. If kept, it should have that information.--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:09, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    JWs in Mozambique are an extremely small proportion of JWs globally (0.69%) or of people in Mozambique (0.23%). The broader topic of Jehovah's Witnesses has very good coverage on Wikipedia.
    It is not a reasonably well done article. It is based almost entirely on primary sources, including a copyright violation.--Jeffro77 (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Jeffro77, the case here is not the TJ in Mozambique is a much lower propotion from the existing worldwide, but the historical legacy that must be transmitted generation to come. It is you already said that this matter was not so equal coverage of Germany in Hitler time. I agree, you know why? After the war the historians speculated the facts ... As already in Mozambique not to fiqui happy to see the description that DW did. Although that in your view that still does not meet the requirement of secondary reference. What about Your comment has been inadvertently excuse!rgimo (talk) 23:24, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    The supposed 'historical legacy' is not sufficiently indicated in reliable secondary sources. That is the only consideration relevant here. Wikipedia should not be used as a soapbox for matters that individual editors believe to be important in the absence of suitable sources.--Jeffro77 (talk) 11:40, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Jeffro77, I see you want to tease me for nothing, Vee this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igrejas_de_Cristo, Tell Me cites secondary sources? Put an end to this discussion is passing the time!rgimo (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Saying that other stuff exists is not generally useful at these discussions, and there's no reason I should already have been aware of that article. The other article does cite a secondary source, the World Christian Encyclopedia. If the denomination is only found in Mozambique, then the article may be warranted because of its uniqueness there. If the denomination is present in various countries, then an article specific to Mozambique (which it does not appear to be) would probably also be subject to deletion.--Jeffro77 (talk) 08:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Not sure there is valid reason for a redirect, that discussion would best be held at the Sega article. No bar against if if there is a consensus for such. Dennis Brown - 00:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Masami Ishikawa

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    Doubtful notability, man with a job The Banner talk 01:32, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete - Lack of third party sources covering the subject on specific detail. Sources currently in article don't do this. ;They focus on the product, not the person - the subject here.) Also okay with merge/redirect to some Sega related article. Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - Sorry, but I don't agree with the case presented here. The Polygon piece in the article represents an in-depth interview with Ishikawa (which is actually a book excerpt), as does the other source. Yes, they're focusing on the hardware - but that's because they're interviewing him specifically on those topics, and on his involvement with them. Whilst this may not satisfy the most common interpretations of GNG, I feel it certainly satisfies the spirit of the guideline, and probably the letter of it as well. Factor in the fact that he was head of the development team of major consoles with Sega, and it seems only sensible to have some kind of article. It is also worth noting that Japanese sources are pretty much guaranteed to exist, although I lack the ability to actually search for them myself with any degree of accuracy. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:54, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Lukeno94, interviews aren't typically considered secondary coverage though. Masami Ishikawa's words on Masami Ishikawa is considered a first party account. I mean, if there's more/better sources out there to flesh out an article, I could be swayed, but as long as its a few sentences based off of an interview or two, the best care scenario should be a redirect/merge to something Sega related. Sergecross73 msg me 21:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know they're not typically considered secondary coverage, and I will freely admit I'm voting with a liberal interpretation of GNG based on what I feel the spirit of the guideline is. Given that he has been sought out for interviews on the globally significant Mega Drive/Genesis project, and his role in that project, I do believe he justifies an article. I wouldn't be opposed to a redirect being in place if consensus does swing away from keeping this article; outright deletion seems a tad daft. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    He led the project's development and it's a quite a major project at that. He's "mentioned" several times by name. It's a useful redirect as a search term. – czar 00:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete and redirect to Canaan Records. – czar 23:03, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    The Inspirations

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    Do not believe this musical group meets GNG or MUSICBIO, apparently they've received some Singing News Fan Awards but don't think that's enough for notability. J04n(talk page) 14:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Move to Canaan Records for now - @J04n and Walter Görlitz: I found coverage here (Books, includes two 70's Billboard), here (Highbeam) and here (Newspapers Archive) which suggest they have marginal notability locally and in the gospel scene. Throughout my results, the Singing Fan Award is commonly seen; one of the newspapers say they're nationally known and a 2013 book said they were an important group for Canaan Records. If at all, this can support a move to Canaan. SwisterTwister talk 18:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 17:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Alt.tasteless

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    The only coverage I can find of this website is this Wired article and this coverage in a book. This and other assorted mentions appear to only be regarding the one event (regarding rec.pets.cats). Sam Walton (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Comment: Probably a merge and redirect is the best idea, but I doubt it should go to Usenet. If it weren't for alt.tasteless, we wouldn't have deviantart, probably 4Chan, about half of Reddit, etc. There is a historical importance to this group, although those of us who stayed far, far, far away from it are not inclined to memorialize it, and the people who were in it probably aren't very much involved in nostalgia. Hithladaeus (talk) 11:53, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Delete - one "report" in Wired magazine on mischievous internet trolling is not "significant coverage in independent sources". This is ready for the garbage bin. Kraxler (talk) 19:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Clear consensus to delete, but most everyone agrees this may be a good candidate for userfication. Ask myself or any admin to undelete and userfy if you are interested. Dennis Brown - 00:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Al Borst

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    Possibly non-notable and my searches (News, Books, Newspapers Achive, browser, highbeam and thefreelibrary) found nothing relevant and significant. SwisterTwister talk 19:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Weak delete: This appears to be TOOSOON. 1. https://www.facebook.com/AmericanDreamingMovie?fref=photo shows that there is a documentary being made that will talk about this guy. 2. The designer's son is on Facebook calling for information and memorials. 3. For collectors of 1950's posters and art, his name means something. However, the article is written with a gigantic undistinguished blob of text that looks like it was ported from somewhere (after the lede), and there are no iRS of notability offered inside the article. I could not find anything outside of WP that did more than say, "This item up for bid was designed by him, so pay more." Hithladaeus (talk) 01:56, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't object to userfying the article, either. It sure needs copy editing in addition to sources and validation, but it seems as if its author hasn't done any work on it during its time on AfD. Hithladaeus (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Userfy and send throughArticles for Creation. The creator's account is dated the very day the article was first created, and from the results it seems to be someone unfamiliar with WP style, policies, etc. Going through AFC can provide a bit of education. I am a bit concerned that the account is named User:Crosspromo, and perhaps the creator also is not aware that Wikipedia is not to be used for the purposes of promotion. If proper sources can be found, this could be an interesting article -- based on the great graphics on the related Facebook site. In any case, this article, as it is, cannot remain in WP main space -- it's simply not a viable WP article in the shape that it is in. LaMona (talk) 00:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant to say this earlier, I have no objections to userfying as this could be a good article but I'm not seeing any improvement at this time. SwisterTwister talk 05:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Userfy and send through articles for creation. There might be something here, but without sources it is hard to say. Also, the article admits he was one of hundreds of designers for GM, so it is unclear why he would be notable over his many contemporaries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:17, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Calling All Cowboys

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    Article about a locally produced radio show, citing no reliable source coverage to demonstrate that it passes WP:NMEDIA — until I stripped it as invalid sourcing, the original referencing here was entirely to primary (program's own website) and circular (other Wikipedia articles) sources instead of to any evidence of media coverage. In fact, it's teetering right on the edge of being speediable as an advertisement, given content like "CAC is available for rebroadcast free of charge in local markets by contacting the host" — to my eye, however, it falls slightly short of being blatant enough to earn that treatment. While the article makes enough of a claim of notability (syndication over multiple stations via a public radio network) that it would likely be eligible for a properly sourced article, no topic (radio program or otherwise) of any notability level ever gets to keep a Wikipedia article that rests exclusively on primary or circular sourcing with no RS coverage. (In addition, there's a likely WP:COI here if you compare the creator's username to the name of the program's host.) Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if it can be sourced properly. Bearcat (talk) 15:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Article about a locally produced radio show, citing no reliable source coverage to demonstrate that it passes WP:NMEDIA — until I stripped it as invalid sourcing, the original referencing here was entirely to primary (program's own website) and circular (other Wikipedia articles) sources instead of to any evidence of media coverage.

    Evidence of media coverage by the "Washington Post", "The Bulletin" (Bend) (Central Oregon's most widely read newspaper), and by "American Cowboy" magazine has been added to the article.

    In fact, it's teetering right on the edge of being speediable as an advertisement, given content like "CAC is available for rebroadcast free of charge in local markets by contacting the host" — to my eye, however, it falls slightly short of being blatant enough to earn that treatment.

    Changed wording to "CAC is free and open content and can be rebroadcasted.

    While the article makes enough of a claim of notability (syndication over multiple stations via a public radio network) that it would likely be eligible for a properly sourced article, no topic (radio program or otherwise) of any notability level ever gets to keep a Wikipedia article that rests exclusively on primary or circular sourcing with no RS coverage.

    Reliable Sources have been added to the article. Circular sourced references have been mostly deleted.

    (In addition, there's a likely WP:COI here if you compare the creator's username to the name of the program's host.) 
    

    There is no conflict of interest. The article author is different from the program host (and is a different person.) "Calling All Cowboys" radio program is non-profit, Charles Engel does not earn any profit currently from the radio program activities. Since there are no earnings to pay a professional Wikipedia author to write the article, I have done so, also at no cost.

    To summarize : I have added many links to integrate the article into the Encyclopedia.

    I have provided examples of reliable secondary sources.

    I have shown that the content of the radio program is cataloged by the Library of Congress and The Smithsonian, and hence the program is educational to Wikipedia readers.

    I request that the notice be removed that the article is being considered for deletion. Thank you for your consideration of my request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allenengel (talkcontribs) 06:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC) Allenengel (talk) 05:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Responses:
    (1) The show is not the subject of those articles in the Bend Bulletin, the Washington Post or American Cowboy, but merely has its existence namechecked in articles which are about other things. That is not the kind of sourcing it takes to satisfy a Wikipedia notability rule — you need sources in which the show is itself the subject of the source, not merely sources which mention it in passing while actually being about other things. And nearly all of the other new "references" you added were reinsertions of the same inappropriate WP:CIRCULAR references that I called attention to originally — you cannot ever "reference" a Wikipedia article to other Wikipedia articles. You did not add links to other Wikipedia articles in the proper format for doing so — I did, in a followup recleaning.
    (2) A conflict of interest does not require that you personally be Charles — all you have to do is to have any direct personal connection to Charles at all. Nor does it require that you have been paid to write the article (that's certainly one kind of possible COI, but far from the only kind), or that the program be a for-profit enterprise rather than a non-profit (it's still entirely possible for a non-profit operation to have a COI, if the article is written in a promotional/public relations manner by an employee of the organization, rather than a neutral encyclopedic tone and an unaffiliated author.) None of this negates being in a COI position — in fact, by attempting to deny a COI you've essentially confirmed one, because you've confirmed that this was a personal favour to promote a program to which you have a direct personal connection.
    (3) The fact that the genre of music that the show covers happens to be catalogued by notable institutions does not confer a notability freebie on every single radio show that happens to cover that same genre of music. If you could provide evidence that the show itself was part of those cataloging efforts, then things might be different — but the mere fact that it happens to be about a notable music genre doesn't give the radio show notability by itself, if the radio show isn't itself partially responsible for creating the notability of the music genre.
    (4) An AFD discussion remains open for a minimum of seven days after listing (which can extend to 14 or even 21 days if there isn't enough participation to establish a clear consensus one way or the other), and the template cannot be removed until an administrator who has not already participated in the discussion deems that sufficient consensus has been established to independently close it one way or the other. In addition, your private e-mail to me was inappropriate — discussion of this type takes place in public, on Wikipedia talk pages, not in secret.
    So no, you have not adequately addressed the issues with this article. Wikipedia is not a PR database on which any radio program is entitled to have an article just because it exists — any radio program needs to earn an article by virtue of satisfying WP:NMEDIA's criteria for the notability of media, something which not all radio programs do. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]


    (1) The show is not the subject of those articles in the Bend Bulletin, the Washington Post or American Cowboy, but merely has its existence namechecked in articles which are about other things. That is not the kind of sourcing it takes to satisfy a Wikipedia notability rule — you need sources in which the show is itself the subject of the source, not merely sources which mention it in passing while actually being about other things.

    "The Washington Post" is one of the most highly regarded sources in Western Civilization. In the article, the "Washington Post" describes the program “Calling all Cowboys,” a weekly two-hour “music, poetry and old-time radio (show) with decidedly Western bent”. Is this not a definitive description of the program by a reliable source?

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/3/community-radio-follow-fcc-rules-well-put-you-on-t/#ixzz3drG5fNxQ Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

    And nearly all of the other new "references" you added were reinsertions of the same inappropriate WP:CIRCULAR references that I called attention to originally — you cannot ever "reference" a Wikipedia article to other Wikipedia articles. You did not add links to other Wikipedia articles in the proper format for doing so — I did, in a followup recleaning. 
    

    Thank you for your help in the recleaning.

    (2) A conflict of interest does not require that you personally be Charles — all you have to do is to have any direct personal connection to Charles at all. Nor does it require that you have been paid to write the article (that's certainly one kind of possible COI, but far from the only kind), or that the program be a for-profit enterprise rather than a non-profit (it's still entirely possible for a non-profit operation to have a COI, if the article is written in a promotional/public relations manner by an employee of the organization, rather than a neutral encyclopedic tone and an unaffiliated author.) None of this negates being in a COI position — in fact, by attempting to deny a COI you've essentially confirmed one, because you've confirmed that this was a personal favour to promote a program to which you have a direct personal connection.

    I consider the enforcement of the conflict of interest rule to be detrimental to the growth of Wikipedia information and article. I speculate that most of the authors of Wikipedia articles have some ax to grind in writing for Wikipedia. If Wikipedia were to mindlessly enforce the conflict of interest rule, I suspect that some existing Wikipedia articles would themselves violate the conflict of interest rule. With your help I have written a short factual article about Calling All Cowboys in a neutral encyclopedic tone. While some editors might consider cowboy music to not be notable, it has been part of American culture since 1850--far longer than Disco, Jazz, Electronica, and Wikipedia has articles about these programs.

    (3) The fact that the genre of music that the show covers happens to be catalogued by notable institutions does not confer a notability freebie on every single radio show that happens to cover that same genre of music. If you could provide evidence that the show itself was part of those cataloging efforts, then things might be different — but the mere fact that it happens to be about a notable music genre doesn't give the radio show notability by itself, if the radio show isn't itself partially responsible for creating the notability of the music genre.

    I am in agreement with point (3). I agree with your editing.

    (4) An AFD discussion remains open for a minimum of seven days after listing (which can extend to 14 or even 21 days if there isn't enough participation to establish a clear consensus one way or the other), and the template cannot be removed until an administrator who has not already participated in the discussion deems that sufficient consensus has been established to independently close it one way or the other. In addition, your private e-mail to me was inappropriate — discussion of this type takes place in public, on Wikipedia talk pages, not in secret.

    I sent a friendly, appreciative email to you. Email addresses are listed on the Wikipedia pages, which I presumed meant that emails to editors such as yourself are appropriate. There was no secret message in the email, no Quid Pro Quo. The content of the email I sent is virtually identical my posted response here.

    So no, you have not adequately addressed the issues with this article. Wikipedia is not a PR database on which any radio program is entitled to have an article just because it exists — any radio program needs to earn an article by virtue of satisfying WP:NMEDIA's criteria for the notability of media, something which not all radio programs do.

    Actually the program does meet the minimum WP:NMEDIA's criteria for notability of media. The radio program has been broadcast for more than 10 years. The radio program popularizes historic American culture for the 21st century American listener. You have correctly identified the program's fundamental challenge : "Calling All Cowboys" will unlikely have a major impact on popular American culture anytime soon. I sincerely doubt that cowboy yodeling or cowboy poetry will ever garner as much interest at wardrobe failures at Super Bowl Halftime Shows.  :) But the potential of Wikipedia, and the internet in general, is that minor voices like "Calling All Cowboys" can be heard amongst the din, and Wikipedia's allowing factual information about the program, makes it possible for Wikipedia readers to learn about a program that weekly serves up a slice of American history. I know that we are all busy, but ppossibly if you were to take a moment and sample a few minutes of "Calling All Cowboys", you might soften your position about the program article.

    Thank you for your valuable input. Allenengel (talk) 05:32, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Firstly, I did not cast any aspersions on the reliability of the Washington Post in principle. But that's a moot point anyway, because the link you just provided here is not from the Washington Post, but from the Washington Times — which is very much not "one of the most highly regarded sources in Western Civilization". And anyway, it fails to address what I actually said — which is that Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of that article, but is just glancingly namechecked in an article which fails to be about Calling All Cowboys. It doesn't matter whether the source is the Washington Post or the Washington Times or the Tinyville Herald, if Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of the article.
    Secondly, nobody said anything questioning or mocking the notability of cowboy music in principle. But the notability of the genre does not confer an automatic notability freebie on every single radio program that happens to play cowboy music. The program itself has to be the subject of coverage which is about the program itself, but that has not been demonstrated here. You keep trying to lean on the notability of the genre — which nobody has questioned or doubted — as a reason why the show should get a special exemption from Wikipedia's content standards, but that's not how Wikipedia works.
    Thirdly, there are contexts where private e-mail can be sent between Wikipedia contributors. Exhortations to consider withdrawing an AFD nomination, from the article's own creator, are not one of them.
    Fourthly, the length of time that a radio program has broadcast has no bearing on whether it meets NMEDIA or not, and neither does anybody's personal assessment of the inherent cultural value of what the program does. It's reliable source coverage, in which the program is the subject of the coverage and not just a sideways namecheck in an article that fails to have the program as its subject, or it's bust. That's how this place works — notability is a question of reliable source coverage, and not a question of whether any individual editor does or doesn't like the topic. I didn't say I didn't like it, at any rate — I said that the article is not meeting our inclusion standards, which is not the same thing as having an opinion about the show. Bearcat (talk) 05:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Firstly, I did not cast any aspersions on the reliability of the Washington Post in principle. But that's a moot point anyway, because the link you just provided here is not from the Washington Post, but from the Washington Times — which is very much not "one of the most highly regarded sources in Western Civilization".

    I will try to get to the bottom of the Washington Post/Times in a few days.

    And anyway, it fails to address what I actually said — which is that Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of that article, but is just glancingly namechecked in an article which fails to be about Calling All Cowboys. It doesn't matter whether the source is the Washington Post or the Washington Times or the Tinyville Herald, if Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of the article. Secondly, nobody said anything questioning or mocking the notability of cowboy music in principle. But the notability of the genre does not confer an automatic notability freebie on every single radio program that happens to play cowboy music. The program itself has to be the subject of coverage which is about the program itself, but that has not been demonstrated here. You keep trying to lean on the notability of the genre — which nobody has questioned or doubted — as a reason why the show should get a special exemption from Wikipedia's content standards, but that's not how Wikipedia works. Thirdly, there are contexts where private e-mail can be sent between Wikipedia contributors. Exhortations to consider withdrawing an AFD nomination, from the article's own creator, are not one of them. Fourthly, the length of time that a radio program has broadcast has no bearing on whether it meets NMEDIA or not, and neither does anybody's personal assessment of the inherent cultural value of what the program does. It's reliable source coverage, in which the program is the subject of the coverage and not just a sideways namecheck in an article that fails to have the program as its subject, or it's bust. That's how this place works — notability is a question of reliable source coverage, and not a question of whether any individual editor does or doesn't like the topic. I didn't say I didn't like it, at any rate — I said that the article is not meeting our inclusion standards, which is not the same thing as having an opinion about the show. Bearcat (talk) 05:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

    Firstly, I did not cast any aspersions on the reliability of the Washington Post in principle. But that's a moot point anyway, because the link you just provided here is not from the Washington Post, but from the Washington Times — which is very much not "one of the most highly regarded sources in Western Civilization". And anyway, it fails to address what I actually said — which is that Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of that article, but is just glancingly namechecked in an article which fails to be about Calling All Cowboys. It doesn't matter whether the source is the Washington Post or the Washington Times or the Tinyville Herald, if Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of the article.

    I am starting to wonder if the notability standard is applied to Calling All Cowboys, that doing so is constructive prejudice that exemplifies the digital divide that suppresses the freedom of much of rural America. I began wondering this when I was looking for categories for common Western topics like cowboy poetry, western swing, country western, cowboy yodeling, and discovered that there are very few pages devoted to these subjects, despite the topics being part of the American West, and the American Old West, for over 150 years. Compare the number of articles devoted to music of the West, or historic American music, compared to Disco, and Electronica, and Rap. You will find that they outnumber western music articles 10 to 1 if not 100 to 1.

    I presume this constructive prejudice derives from the fact that the internet is largely the creation of the American Coasts, and not the American Inland West. In fact, much of the rural West still has high speed internet in name only. Reasonable in cost to the upper classes and middle classes, but costly to the poor. (In fact much of the Navajo nation has almost no internet at all, despite DARPANET going public nearly 21 years ago.)

    Cowboy music, cowboy poetry, cowboy yodeling are all integral to historic rural Western life, but if the Wikipedia notability standard is applied slavishly to this article, then it means that Wikipedia will not have universal coverage of all aspects of American life. Cowboy yodeling will never rise to much importance in Wikipedia as long as the notability standard is rigidly applied to the number of eyeballs, page hits, or newspaper articles that are measured to gauge notability.

    However, if you allow the Calling All Cowboys article to continue, its content demonstrates that Wikipedia is universal in its scope, at least when it comes to information about sources of moderated playlists of Western Americana, cowboy yodeling, cowboy poetry etc. For the 1 in 10,000 Wikipedia reader who is trying to find current information about cowboy music, the Calling All Cowboys article will provide that Wikipedia reader with information.

    Secondly, nobody said anything questioning or mocking the notability of cowboy music in principle. But the notability of the genre does not confer an automatic notability freebie on every single radio program that happens to play cowboy music. The program itself has to be the subject of coverage which is about the program itself, but that has not been demonstrated here. You keep trying to lean on the notability of the genre — which nobody has questioned or doubted — as a reason why the show should get a special exemption from Wikipedia's content standards, but that's not how Wikipedia works.

    Thirdly, there are contexts where private e-mail can be sent between Wikipedia contributors. Exhortations to consider withdrawing an AFD nomination, from the article's own creator, are not one of them.

    I have no information about Wikipedia email etiquette.

    Fourthly, the length of time that a radio program has broadcast has no bearing on whether it meets NMEDIA or not, and neither does anybody's personal assessment of the inherent cultural value of what the program does. It's reliable source coverage, in which the program is the subject of the coverage and not just a sideways namecheck in an article that fails to have the program as its subject, or it's bust. That's how this place works — notability is a question of reliable source coverage, and not a question of whether any individual editor does or doesn't like the topic.

    Again if you apply the notability standard for the number of articles, eyeballs, or page hits, you are truncating the scope of Wikipedia needlessly. To summarize that the notability rule is how this place works, means that it works only for the number of articles, eyeballs, and page hits. Meaning that since Howard Stern is popular nationwide, his radio program gets attention from Wikipedia, because newspapers and blogs and television give him attention. I am confident that within my lifetime he will not even note a mention in some far off future version of Wikipedia, but Western rural cultural life and the lure of the "Frontier" will still be an important part of American culture.

    Much of the knowledge of the old American West is unlikely to end up described on Wikipedia if you continue to promote that as the universal standard for article inclusion. Currently Wikipedia has little information about cowboy yodeling, cowboy poetry, etc.

    At this time Calling All Cowboys popularizes many aspects of the old American West. Including this article will benefit some of your readers who seek information sources about the culture of the old American West.

    I invite you to get a taste of Calling All Cowboys to see why its fans like the program. The program is not the Country Western Top 40-- its more like the Smithsonian, pretending that it's a music show.

    I didn't say I didn't like it, at any rate — I said that the article is not meeting our inclusion standards, which is not the same thing as having an opinion about the show. Bearcat (talk) 05:47, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

    Thank you for your insightful information about Wikipedia and for your evaluations of this pending Calling All Cowboys article. I appreciate the helpful formatting edits and I will attempt the html for these formattings in any future Wikipedia articles.

    Allenengel (talk) 00:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    New matter :

    "Calling All Cowboys" has a similar philosophy and purpose as Wikipedia.

    Wikipedia is universal in its coverage. Wikipedia provides information.

    "Calling All Cowboys" provides information about cowboy music, cowboy yodeling, western swing. "Calling All Cowboys" popularizes overlooked Cowboy Americana, like Smithsonian Folkwayshttp://www.folkways.si.edu/folkways-recordings/smithsonian and similar cultural organizations. "Calling All Cowboys" makes experiencing Old Western Cowboy Music entertaining.

    Not to disregard the helpful criticisms listed above, but those criticisms should be tempered by the useful purpose that "Calling All Cowboys" serves in popularizing Western Americana history.

    Since "Calling All Cowboys" has a similar philosophy and purpose as Wikipedia, its article is useful to some Wikipedia readers, and should be maintained in Wikipedia.

    Allenengel (talk) 17:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Delete The mass of prose here from Allenengel is enough to put off reviewers, since few want to get involved in such a lengthy discussion. However, I will say that I looked at the references, and did some searching, and I do not find significant sources. The program appears to be syndicated, but I can't find out what syndication network handles it. If we can discover that, it may be possible to redirect to a page for that network, and provide information about the show there. LaMona (talk) 22:05, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Do not Delete"

    Here are the sources cited in the "Calling All Cowboys" article.

    Washington Post Article Dated February 3rd, 2015 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/3/community-radio-follow-fcc-rules-well-put-you-on-t/?page=all
    

    Bend Bulletin Newspaper Oct 13, 2006 http://www.bendbulletin.com/news/1525243-157/the-spirit-of-the-old-west

    American Cowboy magazine http://www.americancowboy.com/article/cowboycore#sthash.BW8pfQFL.dpuf

    Why do you consider the sources not significant? The sources are (1) a national newspaper (2) the primary local newspaper for Bend Oregon and all of Central Oregon (3) A special interest magazine devoted to cowboy music.

    It seems that we have reverted back to the notability issue again. My question is, if you rely on notability, then how do the small but significant voices that are part of American history, get noted on Wikipedia? Cowboy music, cowboy poetery, and cowboy yodeling were part of the Old West Culture, and there is almost no mention of these topics on Wikipedia. I checked for categories about "cowboy poetry" and "cowboy music" and "western swing" and the categories are empty on Wikipedia -- presumably because there are few or no articles about these topics. If you emphasize the notability rule, then topics which are part of America's old west past will probably not get enough notability from the 21st century media sources to merit obvious notability for Wikipedia.

    Recently the Supreme Court ruled about housing discrimination in Community Properties, Inc. v. (Texas). They ruled actionable "actions that have a discriminatory effect even with no evidence of discriminatory intent." (Reuters) http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/25/us-usa-court-discrimination-idUSKBN0P51UO20150625

    I wonder if Wikipedia's notability standard, when inappropriately applied, might also have a "discriminatory effect even with no evidence of discriminatory intent?" Wikipedia has grown over more than a decade to be the world's preemininent source of information, with all the fine work of its contributors and editors.

    However, even after all these years, Wikipedia's coverage of Western American music is pretty skimpy. For example, they taught Western Swing at Portland, Oregon high schools, at Portland State University, and at the Mountaineers-- but I see very little coverage about Western Swing music on Wikipedia.

    Therefore I request that the article be maintained, as the radio program "Calling All Cowboys" serves a similar utilitarian purpose as Wikipedia : popularizing American culture.

    I invite you spend a few moments and go to the KPOV FM radio website and listen to "Calling All Cowboys". I hope that you will conclude that "Calling All Cowboys" is an article Wikipedia should allow, to continue the program's popularization of Western Americana.

    http://kpov.org/kpov_show/calling-all-cowboys/ Allenengel (talk) 03:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


    I replaced the Washington Post with the Washington Times. I sincerely regret this error.Allenengel (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm going to explain this to you one more time. A radio program gets into Wikipedia on the basis of reliable source coverage in which the program is the subject of said coverage. It does not get into Wikipedia on the basis of being namechecked a couple of times in coverage of other things — Calling All Cowboys is not the subject of any of the articles you keep pointing to as your sources, but merely has its existence acknowledged in articles that are not about Calling All Cowboys. Bearcat (talk) 23:10, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    I would like the editors of Wikipedia to temper the reliable source standard, and maintain the article in Wikipedia. If Wikipedia editors continue to slavishly apply the reliable source ideal, then Wikipedia will be the poorer for not including "Calling All Cowboys". Wikipedia readers will not benefit about knowing about the educational benefits of "Calling All Cowboys", and Wikipedia will continue in its inadvertent lack of coverage about Western Americana topics like Western Swing, Cowboy Music, Cowboy Yodeling, etc.

    21st Century media continues to provide little coverage to some aspects of Americana. I doubt that media coverage of cowboy yodeling and cowboy poetry will increase, given that most media outlets are cutting back on staff. I wonder if the reliable sources ideal is the most appropriate criteria to apply to minority voices like "Calling All Cowboys"? I wonder if one of the potential benefits of Wikipedia is the inclusion of underreported voices like "Calling All Cowboys", and compensates 21st Century media's lack of universal coverage?

    Wikipedia's editors continued inclusion of the "Calling All Cowboys" article helps the growth of the knowledge of Western Americana music.

    It is my hope that the Wikipedia editors would temper the reliable sources ideal and help the growth of "Calling All Cowboys", a non-profit radio program with a philosophy and mission similar to Wikipedia.Allenengel (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 07:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Rose Bond

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    There is some coverage, but it doesn't seem to add up to WP:ARTIST, WP:PROF or WP:GNG. Has been tagged for notability for over 7 years; hopefully, we can now get it resolved. Boleyn (talk) 15:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete a weak one, not seeing the kind of coverage from WP:RS that is needed; there are lots of flaky sources in this way-too-long article which tries too hard, looks like WP:ADVERT, no sense this subject meets the WP:GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:23, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Her work is collected by MOMA and she has screened films at several significant film festivals (like Sundance.) Also, I fail to see how her coverage in the news and her inclusion in books and journals covering film and animation as topics constitute "flaky sources." I'll concede that the article is trying a little "too hard" and I'll copyedit when I have the time, though I'd encourage anyone who's interested to help smooth the article out. I don't think it rises to the point of WP:ADVERT. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Please see WP:RS. I found a mention of her here plus a listing here, mention here, mention here, there's a blurb about her at the Portland Art Museum which is not really an acceptable secondary source. What we need is in-depth reliable commentary on Rose Bond and her work in (preferably) checkable (inline) citations, an impartial source commenting on why RB is notable. Right now, if interested in having the article survive this challenge, good idea to trim ALL of the unreferenced or poorly referenced junk, which is mostly everything. My two cents.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:44, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment I have looked at WP:RS. I fail to see how her inclusion in art sources and books falls under "poorly referenced junk" especially since she's included in an Oxford University Press reference book. All of my citations are checkable and inline. Also, why is Portland art museum an unacceptable secondary source? She is also award-winning in her field and published. I'm still working on her published works in the bib. BTW thanks for the links to the news sources. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak delete- a good solid interview or profile like the first source would probably swing me the other way, but all the other refs seem to be promotional material or otherwise not usable. Artw (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Changing to keep due to article improvement. Artw (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment There is an audio and video interview, would that help swing things if I added that to the article? In addition, I went through Lexis Nexis and found several news sources to replace the "promotional" sources. I hope I haven't seemed to combative about this article, but I'm passionate about what I do and I'm always trying to learn and write better articles. I do think she's notable enough to keep since she shows up in several news outlets internationally and is written about in books on the topic of animation and film. Anyhoo... thanks for the critiques everyone and I hope I can sway your weak delete, Artw. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:55, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:06, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Nathan Blissett

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    Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Comment - Two local newspaper reports, one restricted to only Bristol plus a few brief comments from the player on signing a contract don't really amount to GNG. Fenix down (talk) 07:30, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Two different REGIONAL daily regional papers, both with significant paid circulation. These aren't weekly advertising papers. That's good enough for WP:GNG which has nothing that requires that the sources be national - a concept that doesn't exist in many countries. See WP:ITSLOCAL. Nfitz (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. The best part of five weeks hasn't got us to a consensus, and since the last relist this has had no further input. Michig (talk) 07:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Joe Cury

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    Non-notable in any profession (businessman or political activist) and the previous 2006 nomination consensus was keep and merge to Dames Point Bridge (the merge never happened); I'd like a consensus whether this merge is still relevant. Searches at Highbeam, thefreelibrary and News found nothing except for Books ("Joe Cury Dames Point Bridge" shows same results) and Newspapers Archive but pretty much all of this is local newspapers and by the same author Dudley Clendinen who says a little too favorable things about him. SwisterTwister talk 05:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment: I would vote to keep, because I remember not the man, but the group. The notability came from POWER. First, he captured a great acronym. Second, during the oil embargo and Carter years, he led a consumer revolt that got on the national news (when there really was a national news in the U.S.). I think his group got profiled on "60 Minutes." However, this is my personal memory, and I'm a very old creature. Hithladaeus (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Clarification: I am not !voting to keep, because I can't verify. My memory is very good, but searching via the web for "POWER" is suicidal. Searching for "POWER + 60 Minutes" is nearly as bad (but I know the three amazing tricks that power companies don't want me to know and the forbidden device that will cut my power bill in half in 60 minutes or less, so there's that). People searching behind paid engines may have better luck. Hithladaeus (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Delete basically, NOT NEWS, and NOT MEMORIAL -- we have those policies to avoid the over-relianvce on the nGNG guideline; they over-ride it., and this is article is why. The argument above is that we should keep it for the group, not the person, in which case someone should attempt to write an article on POWER. (Tho I doubt it would be successful). And promotional for his ideas, to the extent that it would be a possible deletion on that ground alone DGG ( talk ) 12:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was redirect to Lumberjack#In popular and folklore culture. Or later elsewhere, and merge anything relevant from history, as editorial consensus may direct. Consensus however is that this shoudn't remain a separate article.  Sandstein  21:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Lumbersexual

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    Wikipedia is not a dictionary Codeofdusk (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Comment. I was looking at this with a view to closing it, but the outcome with the most support, a redirect, is problematic since this isn't mentioned at all in the Lumberjack article, so a redirect wouldn't be much use. A merge of some sort would therefore make more sense if it's worth including at all. --Michig (talk) 06:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Merge and redirect to the youth fashion section in 2010s in fashion - this discusses a number of trends and style movements such as this. Select some of the best references for citations and condense the article and merge there. Mabalu (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was keep.  Sandstein  21:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Though this is demonstrably a feature that exists in a lot of messaging software, I'm not finding any sources discussing it specifically, such that I can't see us being able to write much more than a definition of what it is. Sam Walton (talk) 00:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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