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Simon Hocquaux

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Corentin Rahier

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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Holidays (musical)

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The article fails WP:N in any sort of ways as I could not find third party reliable notability to assert creation of an independent article. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 14:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This musical had a substantial run in Paris followed by a French tour. It drew reviews from The New York Times as well as French media. The musical helps to fill out en.Wikipedia's coverage of European musicals, which are underserved here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Ssilvers thank you for your expansion of the article and finding the French sources. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 18:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - When you search for a very common word on Google or other databases, like "Holidays", you should add another, more specific search term, like the name of the director, or the name of the book writer, which helps filter out the noise in the search results. Also, regarding foreign topics, like a French musical, Google News does not find a lot of the foreign sources, so you have to use a plain Google search and try a few likely specific search terms to get an idea of whether something is notable. Happy editing. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV based on the sources currently cited in the article. Additionally, a French stage production getting reviewed in The New York Times shows global coverage.4meter4 (talk) 15:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fayçal Lalioui

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Entirely promotional and no indication of WP:SUSTAINED notability. Amigao (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and Wikipedia is not linkedin. Deriannt (talk) 19:04, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Promotional article, and his business also fails GNG. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcus Wilson (basketball)

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Prolific high school/college basketball player fails WP:NHOOPS. Page is an absolute mess and was likely created as promotional material by an WP:SPA. Novemberjazz 18:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NHOOPS. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a quick search found some references, more can be found more than likely given his collegiate career. Article needs cleanup, but deletion is not cleanup.Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Was a notable college basketball player. Passes WP:GNG with coverage such as Award is 'big deal' to Wilson, Speaking in tounges, Marcus Wilson is on quite a roll - so UE is, too, South Bend's own on call...while Wilson hopes for best and Numbers adding up to Evansville guard.Alvaldi (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I think he meets notability just enough, but the article itself is in desperate need of an overhaul as it’s badly written and full of puffery inflating his accomplishments. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He passes GNG. The article feels a bit promotional but the subject himself is notable. SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Problems with the article aside, the subject pretty easily passes GNG as a former conference player of the year. JTtheOG (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - He was notable as a star basketball player and refs on the article and in this discussion show it. The article seriously needs cleanup though. Looks like an IP refocused the article and deleted some refs in 2021, maybe Wilson himself. Rikster2 (talk) 12:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, though agreed that the article needs major cleanup as it reads like a press conference, so an editor could go and blow it up and start over if necessary. Madeleine (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources already provided in this deletion discussion appear to be sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandra Fontaine

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Out of 11 references provided, YouTube, IMDb (2), Personal website(2) (fontainemedia, as mentioned in the article) (2). Except for ref 10, none of the rest 4 refs mention the subject. Subject fails the basic criteria (WP:BASIC) for all 8 mentioned professional including WP:NACTOR and WP:ENTERTAINER. ANU^writes 04:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve (with cuts). There is https://www.lindependant.fr/2024/08/21/des-artistes-en-villegiature-chez-aleksandra-12152552.php https://www.lindependant.fr/2023/11/19/aleksandra-kedzierska-a-la-mediatheque-11590278.php https://dziennikpolski24.pl/z-paryskiego-lido-do-variete-w-krakowie/ar/3939301, https://www.leparisien.fr/culture-loisirs/dans-les-pyrenees-orientales-lebouriffante-galerie-dart-dune-ancienne-danseuse-du-lido-02-08-2021-QFFJSIB55RFHRDFND7JBA6WETY.php https://www.lindependant.fr/2022/12/23/saint-laurent-de-cerdans-aleksandra-kedzierska-signe-son-3e-roman-tombe-lombre-10886548.php https://lepetitjournal.com/varsovie/communaute/aleksandra-fontaine-lido-doublure-margaret-qualley-substance-399242 and https://kultura.onet.pl/wywiady-i-artykuly/aleksandra-kedzierska-fontaine-ciagle-jestem-glodna-nowych-wrazen/p3xmxx5 for example. She does seem to meet the requirements for notability. -Mushy Yank. 07:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank I hope you're suggesting the article should be returned to draftspace for improvement, as it can not stand in the mainspace the way it is right now. I still think It should be deleted. ANU^writes 08:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am not, I am clearly suggesting it should be kept.AfDs are for deletion not for cleanup and we are only discussing the notability of the subject not the state of the page. Feel free to improve it if you wish. -Mushy Yank. 12:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do not leave any article with such unverified claims or references as this article just because the topic has references on web, we have draftspace for improvement or deletion if the subject doesn't even deserve draftspace opportunity. This subject deserves nothing than to be deleted. ANU^writes 00:16, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. If you want the page to be improved, again, feel free. Feel free to remove everything you find potentially harmful or libellous. I've provided some sources, you can use them. You submitted this to the community. If consensus is to keep it, it will be kept, if it is to drafifty, it will be moved to draft, if it is to delete, it will be deleted, and so on. Your own opinion was clear from the start by the mere fact you nominated it and by your rationale. If you didn't want others to voice opinions that differ from yours, you shouldn't have nominated this article to AfD. I will leave it at that. Thank you very much. -Mushy Yank. 01:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so sorry if any of my answers offended you in any ways, I'm just trying to discuss what I think is right and everyone is doing so. Angain, all I want for the page is for it to be taken down not improved that's why I requested it's deletion, it has nothing to improve based on reasons I provided, thank you. Again I'm humbly sorry if I offended you in any way, I don't intend to offend any valuable editor in here. ANU^writes 01:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. No offense taken. But my point is precisely that I think (and apparently I am not the only one) that there is something to improve. I'll do it, then. -Mushy Yank. 01:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion which together shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since you pointed out WP:GNG, can you get back to the article and point any two reliable sources? ANU^writes 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if the sources are presented here, I would tend to think that asking someone to locate them in the article is not very useful. Anyway, I have added them to the page. -Mushy Yank. 02:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above Mushy Yank's. MPian (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes GNG. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 02:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Adequate sources have been provided to show the subject meets GNG. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Important note: This article have more than four reasons to be deleted.

- WP:COI issue, several claims in the article are written by someone with a close alias to the subject, You can't find and source mentioning them (i.e career and biography), that's why such a short article is asked to verify 8 claims to show where such claims came from, even with all sources in the article or additional sources provided by @Mushy Yank, none can prove those claims or is wikipedia a gossip hub now?

- For entertainers, they should have any notable work or achievement, well, the subject is an actress, choreographer and dancer, what are her important achievements of her career (i.e any notable film or show) or maybe accomplishments such as awards and accordance. Does she have any? If she doesn't have any achievement or work mentioned or seen, why is she considered important to keep this article?

- @Mushy Yank proved her notability through references from the web and not personal blogs, youtube links that were used as references in the article. Should we accept terrible articles because we believe subjects might be notable somehow in the web, What's the point of having draftspace and sandboxes?

- The article fails even WP:BASIC, 90% of references in the article are not reliable, any editor can inspect and get that in minutes. i.e self published pdfs, personal blogs, YouTube links, podcast interviews e.t.c.

- Let's be honest here, with all Polish references, isn't the article suitable in Polish wikipedia? Most of EnWiki readers have understanding of Enlang and expect to verify claims from EnEng sources, that's the point of having multi-lang wikis. This wikipedia isn't for her maybe when she becomes global sensation. Inshort, she isn't notable but a local artist, with first and second references proving she's now heading to perform out there for the first time from local venues. Deletion is so crucial here.ANU^writes 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly unbold your !vote. You are the nominator and you are already considered "!voting" delete and !voting twice is not permitted. Thank you. -Mushy Yank. 01:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ANU^writes 01:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- COI is supposed to be addressed through editing, not deletion. Again, WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP.

- No, that's not how notability works. Entertainers can pass either GNG or NENT. They don't have to pass both.

- This is something that should be addressed through editing, not deletion. The article isn't so terrible that TNT is warranted.

- This is a complete misunderstanding of WP:BASIC. Please read it carefully. Again, the terrible sources are an issue that should be addressed through editing, not deletion.

- No, that's not how notability works. Please read through WP:GNG. Sources of any and all languages count for notability as long as they are independent, reliable and provide SIGCOV. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. -Mushy Yank. 02:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: please note that the nominator seems to admit that the subject's notability is "proven". If that is helpful, I am inviting the nominator to read WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP.-Mushy Yank. 02:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the nominator did not admit anywhere that the subject's notability is "proven". This user is trying to play the insinuating card. The nominator gave 5 cold facts as to why the subject is never notable which stand unchallenged. ANU^writes 05:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
!!.....Just read what you yourself wrote..."Mushy Yank proved her notability through references from the web and not personal blogs"...... So no, this user is not "trying to play the insinuating card" (:D). I've tried to improve the page, by the way and you're very welcome. At this point, I have no further comments. -Mushy Yank. 07:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martina Ononiwu

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This article is largely based on 4 sources about her being "awarded the US Presidential Lifetime Achievers Award (Presidential Volunteer Service Award) (PVSA) by American President Joe Biden." This is apparently only reported in Nigerian sources, not in any official source, and she isn't listed on the official list[1]. The award is apparently only intended for "U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents", so not for a Nigerian in France. If the sources have this basic fact, the premisse for the articles, wrong, then they aren't reliable sources to start with but just repeating something spoonfed by the subject or someone trying to promote them. Fram (talk) 09:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I've just done a deep dive into this. The President's Volunteer Service Award has various grades, and is given to numerous people every year, and is not generally notable. Only at the highest level, people receiving the the President's Call to Service Award (also called the "President's Lifetime Achievement Award"), may be notable for receiving the award. But even that is doubtful, as recipients are usually notable already in their own right. In any case, it's pretty clear that Martina Ononiwu did not receive the President's Call to Service Award, as there are no US-based notable sources testifying to this. A search for the name "Martina Ononiwu" is the news sources yields nothing except Nigerian news sources stating that she was given the President's Lifetime Achievement Award. It is highly unlikely that a person would be honored with the President's Lifetime Achievement Award, without leaving any sort of trace in the news sources. --LK (talk) 11:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Appears to be a HOAX based on the fact that USA sources mention nothing about the awards. I don't see notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The President's Volunteer Service Award is notable. If it is not, it won't have a page in Wikipedia. Very clear. Royalrumblebee (talk) 19:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the pages listing the winners of the award don't list Ononiwu, and she wouldn't be eligible in the first place. The notability that is disputed is not that of the award, but of Õnoniwu. Fram (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : The article fails to meet Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline WP:GNG as it solely focuses on a single event without providing significant coverage of the topic. The subject's notability is questionable, given the award by the United States, despite being based in France with Nigerian origins. There is no international media coverage, with most coverage coming from Nigerian local and national dailies. This lack of international coverage and reliance on local publications gives the impression that the article may be sponsored or promotional in nature, further undermining its notability.Royalesignature (talk). 17:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are many notable people already in Wikipedia who have little or no foreign press mentioning them, but are very well covered in reliable sources in their home countries, especially movie actors and actresses. See Indian actors etc. So this argument is not very strong. GNG mentions national publications as notable, especially if these sources have pages themselves in Wikipedia, such as Vanguard (Nigeria),The Nation (Nigeria), and The Guardian (Nigeria), all in which Martina Ononiwu was significantly covered. I rather think the nomination for deletion is too hasty and I think it should have been an article placed for redrafting as I am already seeing more sources that are reliable. Royalrumblebee (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as this [[2]] does not list her, nor this [[3]], so this at least appears to be false. Slatersteven (talk) 17:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep : The article meets Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline WP:GNG as it provides significant coverage of the topic in four reliable sources, Vanguard (Nigeria),The Nation (Nigeria), and The Guardian (Nigeria). I just added a fourth Independent Nigeria. According to Wikipedia's policy and I quote, :"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." See WP:SIGCOV. Secondly, the subject of the article was given a notable award in the United States, the President's Volunteer Service Award, which has its page here. If it is not notable, it won't pass notability to be included as a page in Wikipedia. There are many profiles in Wikipedia that are more notable in their home countries than elsewhere. The guide is to appear in notable sources. I humbly request that this nomination for deletion is too hasty as the article was published within four hours of its nomination and at best it could have been returned for redrafting, rather than deletion. This gives the impression that Nigerian sources are being seen as not notable. I saw the subject in a newspaper, made the research and decided to create without any solicitation whatsoever. Best.Royalrumblebee (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- But she hasn't received that award, she isn't even eligible for it (she isn't an American and doesn't live in the USA). So she isn't notable for the award, and the sources which uncritically report on it aren't reliable sources. Fram (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The problem seems to be the sources and I ask in good faith, are Nigerian national newspapers not reliable sources? The weakness, I have come to admit, and in good faith too, is that the same content ran through the sources, much like someone fielded it to different journalists. Still, I vouch for her notability from a 2022 source in Independent Nigeria in which she bagged an earlier award along with former governors in Nigeria: https://independent.ng/marwa-wins-leadtimes-strategic-leadership-award-three-govs-wives-imo-lawmaker-others-bag-u-s-varsity-honour/
  
  She was also a notable speaker in Innovate Africa conference along with other notables (a former president of Nigeria, Olusegun Obasanjo; Director-General of the WTO, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala; and P. L. O. Lumumba: https://innovateafricacorps.com/events/ Royalrumblebee (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The problem is that even the website for the award does not list her as a recipient, so yes the problem is that only Nigerian newspapers have stated this.literally no no else, not even the people who are alleged to have awarded it. Slatersteven (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete:The issue here is not the reliability of Nigerian national newspapers but the reliability of the information provided by the sources used in the article. First off, the article fail to meet the WP:GNG. The subject of the article is not listed among the primary recipient of the award [4].Also, the award you cited here [5] is an award of honorary doctorate degree which doesn't constitute notability and neither does speaking alongside notable figures establish WP:notability. Emmanuella643 (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: The sources in the article do not prove that the subject is notable. The subject did not meet the WP:General Notability Guidelines. Andikan Efiok Eduok (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Having done thorough check of the references, I realized that some of the sources in the article are personal websites,here, here, link to google drive (which was used 5 times in the article) is a pdf document written by an individual this. Other reliable sources mentioned the award and being a strategist only. Aderiqueza (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: So she's a business consultant in France? We take out the award (which seems to be a false statement), what's left... A consultant with no coverage in France and only in Nigeria. They seem to cover everyone and his or her brother in media there, so that's not terribly notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete on the grounds that once you except WP:NEWSORGINDIA (because Nigeria has the same issue) type sources there is nothing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: An article about a non-notable subject that is well-written but relies on unverifiable information to establish notability. Since this and this did not list the subject on their website, it is definitely not an awardee. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The article is not really ready for inclusion on Wikipedia as the subject is not notable enough. Wår (talk) 06:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Promotional, possibly paid edit. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maoist Communist Party (France)

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Fails WP:ORG. Every source given is from the organisation itself or a Maoist blog site, except one by the conservative tabloid Diario Correo, which mentions the French organisation in passing. Online searches in English, French, and Spanish return zero reliable sources, and I doubt such sources will be found in print offline. Yue🌙 06:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I found multiple sources in French which discuss the party, especially in relation to the Gilets jaunes: "Morts aux porcs": de violents tags anti-police en plein Paris, "De Rugy Escroc on te fera payer": qui est le Parti Communiste Maoïste qui revendique ce tag?, Nantes. Tags sur son mur de résidence : qui menace François de Rugy?, Vice interview with a PCM member, Montpellier: le préfet accuse des groupes révolutionnaires communistes d'infiltrer les manifestations des gilets jaunes, Droite identitaire, gauche radicale : quand les extrêmes gonflent les rangs des Gilets jaunes. Need to look at this further, but "zero" reliable sources appears incorrect. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 15:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The party is underground now but still actively exists, but it clearly needs updates and translations. DuCouscous (talk) 12:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. So, sources do exist. User:Goldsztajn are you arguing for a Keep here?
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Gaël Campan

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Mostly primary references. Not enough significant references to meet the notability criteria. - The9Man ^Talk 10:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lycée Jean Mermoz (Saint-Louis)

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Not finding anything that satisfies WP:NSCHOOL. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless several references to reliable sources independent of this school that devote significant coverage to this school are provided. This two sentence stub makes no plausible claim of notability. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment @Cullen328: I found that a French newspaper covered the school. You can check the articles via Google Translate, and please let me know if this is the kind of coverage that would be useful. Thanks! WhisperToMe (talk) 05:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply WhisperToMe, three articles from the same newspaper is certainly better than nothing, but it looks a lot like run-of-the-mill local coverage to me. I guess it comes down to whether "the largest school in Alsace" is a plausible claim of notability. Thanks for finding those sources and adding them to the article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - You're welcome! I found another article from a different newspaper which compared the school to that of a city (I'm not sure how significant that is in the universe of French high schools). I cant see all of it yet since it seems to be paywalled. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comment~~ - This is a tricky one, but I am leaning keep. First thing to note is that there are at least 8 schools named for Jean Mermoz [6], but even French Wikipedia does not have a page for this one. Newspaper sources exist as above, but news reporting is a primary source and does not count towards notability. I cannot see anything that goes beyond reporting and into analysis. However, when you look at mentions in books, there are a lot. Many are directories, at least one is self published, but some at least speak to a widespread recognition of school programmes, such as the mentions in this book [7] talking about Astronomy as an educational subject (presumably because this school has such a programme - their programme does seem to be significant). Similar treatment around humanities [8]. But you can't write an article from such brief mentions. But there are several books that reference a paper:
* Wiederkehr F., Goetschy O., Wunschel R., (2008). Projet stéréolithographie. Saint Louis: Lycée Jean Mermoz.
As indicated, the school published this themselves, and it does not appear in any journal, but it can be read here [9] and is cited in the likes of [10]. Work at the school is also referenced on page 87 of this doctoral thesis: Microstéréolithographie de céramiques (2018). The problem remains that there is little to write an article from based on the sources found so far, but I have a feeling that a school with this kind of output and this kind of profile must be notable. I really wish we could find a history of the school though.
ETA this source [11] does give information that we can write an article from. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per sirfurboy and as per the articles I found. I'm thinking that the school's size is a big deal in the Alsace region. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Available sourcing is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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