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Ilan Strauss

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Looks far WP:TOOSOON for WP:NPROF notability for this 2020 PhD with a handful of citations in a medium to high citation field. Prodded by Dclemens1971. Deprodded by SPA Shegad with a note that they had fixed all the issues, but adding primary sources does not help establish NPROF notability. The FT reference is only a passing mention (and there is little other sign of GNG), and the grant may help the subject do notable work, but does not itself contribute to notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 08:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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List of statutory instruments of Scotland, 2024

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Page has only primary sources, and is not informative about the pieces of legislation themselves.

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Dharmam Engey

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Only two potential RS: Guy is RS, the Dina Thanthi source is only cited to a release date change and that seems to be mostly what they publish about movies from what I have seen (could not find the exact article sourced, insufficient info and from 1972). The other cited sources are variously not about topic (Ragunathan), retail (Mossymart), and a list (151 etc). BEFORE found no further RS. Redirect to the director may be a better alternative than deletion, per Mushy Yank, if this discussion doesn't result in Keep. StartGrammarTime (talk) 05:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - notable cast and director, full article by notable film historian in very reliable newspaper, sources for verification; all in all could be judged enough. A redirect to the director being absolutely warranted in my view, very opposed to deletion (I deproDed the page; same nominator).My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
@Mushy Yank, could you please point me towards that source if it's online somewhere? I searched and couldn't find it, and everything I could find was extremely sparse with details (hence the PROD and now this). I like to be able to keep articles and make them better if sources exist! StartGrammarTime (talk) 16:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
The Hindu article cited in the page (the source you call "Guy", I think) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Ah, that's the one I counted as a reliable source - I was hoping you'd found the Dina Thanthi one (which I couldn't) to make it two RS. Thanks for clarifying! StartGrammarTime (talk) 17:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to Sivaji_Ganesan_filmography#Films. I would not redirect to director's page as that page is quite poor. As nominator said, only two reliable sources on the page but it has no significant indepth coverage. If reliable secondary sources with indepth coverage can be found, let me know but till then fails wP:NFILM. RangersRus (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
I am sorry but the article by Randor Guy in The Hindu addresses the film directly and in depth. It is a strong indication of notability and was published in a column dedicated to "Tamil classics". -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Sivaji_Ganesan_filmography#Films per RangersRus. This has been open for weeks and still all we have found is a review in The Hindu. Yes, the review addresses the film, but it is a single source. It is paywalled so all I can see is the intro of the review, but even if it is significant coverage we have to consider WP:NEWSORGINDIA, which raises an unanswered question regarding independence. This is a case where we definitely need more than a single review to demonstrate notability. Ultimately an article should not be kept if there is insufficient information to write an encyclopaedic article. That is the case here. Redirecting would allow the page history to be recovered and the article recreated if a range of suitable secondary sources became available in the future. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Tongan National Rugby League

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Article has a signle reference which isn't actually anything to do with the article subject. Google searching the topic only returns the Wikipedia and the Facebook page. "Official Website" is a GoDaddy domain sale site. Mn1548 (talk) 12:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Government of Mohammad Mokhber

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Hello, after the death of Ebrahim Raisi, no new government has been formed in Iran and only Mohammad Mokhber, Ebrahim Raisi's deputy, temporarily headed the 13th cabinet until Masoud Pezeshkian won the 2024 election and became the president of Iran and formed the 14th cabinet. I must point out that the formation of the cabinet by Mohammad Mokhber was possible if he presented a list of proposed ministers to the Islamic Consultative Assembly and asked for a vote of confidence from the representatives, However, according to Iranian law, dismissal and vote of confidence in cabinet ministers are prohibited until the new president takes office. It should be noted that a similar page was created for this topic in Persian Wikipedia, which led to the deletion of that page in the request for deletion on June 8, 2024. Mihanyar (talk) 15:04, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Ahmed Sultan Bin Sulayem

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Fails WP:BIO. Just her to advertise his business. Refs are profiles. scope_creep^Talk 07:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Taufan

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Unable to find WP:SIGCOV sources, and the article fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NFILM criteria. It can be redirected to the director's article, but it needs some reliable source to exist. GrabUp - Talk 07:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Manish Chandra

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The person does not meet WP:GNG or any other notability criteria. The sources do not provide WP:SIGCOV and are merely passing mentions, with quotes from the subject and similar content. GrabUp - Talk 07:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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The Taste of Money

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The result was Speedy keep, The nomination is a form of disruption as it is a copy-paste on another AfD‎. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. I can't find any reliable sources that could support the subject's notability. PROD was contested by an IP user without any reason given. (talk) DaynneDarrylleDelosSantos 00:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete sources = WP:SELFPUB profile and a court document. Clearly fails WP:NCORP. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 00:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete No claim or references for notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 00:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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List of Kerala Government Engineering Colleges

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This feels like a violation of WP:NOTDATABASE or WP:NOTCATALOG. It's just raw table no explaination whatsoever. This fails WP:NLIST per WP:LISTPURP.

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Ulla West

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Swedish article is also unreferenced. Fails WP:BIO. Only first hit of google news is about her. LibStar (talk) 06:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 07:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

The Neighbors (2012 film)

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The result was Speedy keep, The nomination is a form of disruption as it is a copy-paste of another AfD‎. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 07:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. I can't find any reliable sources that could support the subject's notability. PROD was contested by an IP user without any reason given. talk Helpful Raccoon 00:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete sources = WP:SELFPUB profile and a court document. Clearly fails WP:NCORP. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Delete No claim or references for notability. User:Helpful Raccoon (User talk:Helpful Raccoon) 00:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Jane Parker (academic)

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Non notable academic. The only non broken references are generic or links to university faculty pages, and it appears to be used self promotionally. The subjects high h-index on Google Scholar is the result of her sharing a name with a different researcher. --Spacepine (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

The Hunts

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. It's essentially unreferenced. The only cited "source" (air quotes) is to an obscure unpublished speech. Definitely not usable as a source per WP:Verifiability. 4meter4 (talk) 03:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. The original Spanish title was Las cacerías according to an article in the Journal of Romance Studies, under which there appear to be many many hits. This book, entirely about the author, has 93 uses of the title. This newspaper article mentions it, looks like sigcov but idk spanish. Here as well. Lot of other hits - this was the author's only work ever translated into English. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Juan Manuel Bellón López

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Juan Manuel Bellón López is not notable. He is only interesting because his wife is the famous Pia Cramling. The only fact on this page which merits mentioning on Wikipedia is his five-time Spanish Chess Championships, a fact which can also be found on the page of his daughter, Anna Cramling. Every Grandmaster does not deserve their own page for being connected to actually notable grandmasters. Just`Existing 04:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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The Supervisor of the Sea

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Delete per WP:PROMO. Article is written like an advertisement or the back of a book jacket. The quotes do not give details on the publications so that they can be verified. 4meter4 (talk) 04:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to the author's article, Emil Draitser. I've found one quite substantial review here [1], but just the one. -- asilvering (talk) 04:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Emil Draitser, I did a deep dive and the only thing I found that was usable was a single book review. There might be more material if someone is willing to search for it's Russian publication. I don't know Russian or I would try myself. Dr vulpes (Talk) 06:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
There probably isn't a Russian publication since it is a translated collection. Could be wrong but that's how this tends to go. The alleged Russian language review is from the New Russian Word, however accessing the archives of that paper requires a library subscription. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
There is also an apparent review from a defunct magazine called "Small Press Review" (not the wordpress blog), but I can find no archives of the publication online. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Scarecrow & Other Anomalies

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Only source is to the publisher's website which lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 04:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment this translation is reviewed here, which says (this is not the full content btw): "The only edition of Girondo's work in English, translated with admirable resilience by Gilbert Alter-Gilbert, Scarecrow is really several books: the full texts of Espantapájaros (Scarecrow, 1932) and Interlunio (Lunarlude, 1937), selections from his first and a later book of poems, the manifesto he wrote for Martín Fierro and cultural notes he contributed to the journal, all in less than a hundred pages each of English and Spanish. Even his final book, the untranslatable En la masmédula (1956) with its playful and constant fusions of language, is glimpsed briefly in the introduction." Alas only one review. So merge maybe, it's noted by Britannica as the only English work. We should probably have an article on Espantapájaros (far more notable) to which this could be merged as its translation but we do not. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

The Fantastic Ordinary World of Lutz Rathenow

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Completely unreferenced article on a work of uncertain notability. A redirect to Lutz Rathenow would be a suitable WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 03:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect according to the one source that I could find that discusses it in more than a listing, this is a partially translated selection of his German works. Collections tend to get less reviews I find, so I doubt there is much else, and there would be nothing in German. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Addictive Aversions

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Completely unreferenced article on a work of uncertain notability. Redirecting to Alfredo de Palchi would be a suitable WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 03:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep sigcov in this book. Review here. This book review index shows there were two other reviews from Small Press Review in May 1999 and one in July 1999 from a publication I cannot figure out their abbreviation for (Translation Review something?). PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Sevastopol: On Photographs of War

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Created in 2004 as an unreferenced article, as was normal in the early days of wikipedia. The one literary journal that was used wasn't actually a review with a by-lined author but was an advertisement with a short quote by Patricia Spears Jones recommending the book with an amazon link pushing sales. I removed it as it looked like an advertisement. I was not able to find any reviews or independent sources, but there may be something in newspaper archives or journals behind pay walls that I don't have access to. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 03:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. That Jones review doesn't appear to be an advertisement, it's from this book which has its full content, so I view it as legitimate. There's also this review - it was reposted by the author of the book, but does appear to be a legitimate review from the magazine Chelsea. I can't check to see if it's in there because JSTOR is being very weird about it, but I got a hit from it when I searched the words in the review so I believe it's a match to the review republished on his site, which shows sigcov. That's two reviews, passes NBOOK. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA I would not consider that book independent significant coverage. The Directory of American Poetry is essentially a purchasing catalogue marketed to librarians. It's not a serious reference work, nor is it impartial. The content here is universally positive on every book through the entire volume series. There are no negative comments or reviews. The quotes in question are most likely grabbed from the book jackets. It's telling that most of the quotes don't say where they were originally published (if they were at all). It's not unusual for author friends of others authors to provide positive quotes to help their friends sell their book, or for publishers to get other authors they work with to help promote their other writers by saying something positive they can put on a book jacket. The fact that there are prices attached makes it clear this is a book intended to help librarians select content for expanding their collections on poetry. There's a financial motive here and a lack of transparency surrounding the content about each book which makes it not independent or reliable in my opinion.4meter4 (talk) 06:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@4meter4 The fact that there are prices attached means nothing, that's the case for most book reviews in my experience. The other point may be fair. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

That is true, but I have never seen a by-lined journal article review not say something critical even if its an overall positive review. Academic journals (and even newspapers) don't generally publish puff pieces. The fact that this publication has no negative or partially negative comments in combination with a pricing guide should tell you it is a catalogue being used for marketing purposes as opposed to a reliable literary reference work.4meter4 (talk) 06:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Irritatingly I can find no images of the actual physical copy of the book to see if that's where it was gotten from. I change my vote to delete since I can't figure out where it's from. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

White nationalism and the Eureka Rebellion

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Unnecessary content fork lacking notability for a standalone article. For similar AFDs, see User:Gonzo fan2007/Eureka. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep on grounds offered. This seems a classic WP:SUMMARYSTYLE spin-out of a subtopic to a separate article. It's possible that it should be merged or reorganized elsewhere but if there isn't an issue with the content, then complying with WP:SIZE sometimes means making such branch articles as these. Nothing new there. It's only a content fork if the exact same matter is discussed in two different places (usually the fork applying its own unique spin on the topic), and that doesn't appear to be the case? SnowFire (talk) 09:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
With some tightening of the text (which reads a bit too much like an essay rather than a statement of facts) this could merge with the main article on the Eureka Rebellion which has a lengthy quote about the Chinese presence but which does not explain the racial issues nearly as well as this article. Lamona (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete one of many unnecessary WP:FORKs of the Eureka Rebellion. While it may have been a significant event in Australia we do not need such minutiae. Mztourist (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE : A fuller treatment of any major subtopic should go in a separate article of its own. Subject is notable. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment I've not yet had a detailed look at this, but it appears to have significant WP:OR and WP:ESSAY issues. AFAICS none of the sourcing mentions white nationalism (as opposed to racism). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 04:15, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
I concur. Taken together these articles on the rebellion are probably notable, but the style and the titling are not appropriate for Wikipedia. With a lot of editing these could be made into a single or a few good articles, but it will take a LOT of editing. Lamona (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
As a student of military history, I'm not particularly interested in the politics of the Eureka Rebellion myself. I was only trying to get the ball rolling. Robbiegibbons (talk) 04:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete Fails verification and is WP:OR; the entire lede is pure WP:ESSAY. This is pretty typical of the entire piece: "Numerous authors have mentioned the antipathy of the European miners towards the presence of Asiatics on the goldfields, including Russel Ward, who has noted: "The Chinese ... were conspicuous by their absence at Eureka"" The quote from Ward demonstrates nothing about the "antipathy of European miners". Nor can I verify the source (unlisted in the bibliography); half the references cannot be verified. Per WP:NEXIST, there's no sources that I can find which speak of "white nationalism" in this context. White Nationalism is distinct from racism or, more specifically to Eureka, Sinophobia. There is definitely a stand alone article on racism and Eureka (although I think it would be better located in an article on the historiography of Eureka), but it is not this one. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 04:02, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I agree that it might just benefit from some copy editing. I don't see why Wikipedia won't let readers take a deep dive into the subject of the Eureka Rebellion as is the case with the series on the American revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:American_Revolution_sidebar. We're talking about the best documented event in 19th century Australian history. Robbiegibbons (talk) 04:23, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
The problem is not WP:OKFORK, the problem is original research. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:45, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
I am not seeing the original research. The use of the Eureka flag and mythology by white nationalists is well known and documented. And I am having difficulty with your assertion that white nationalism is distinct from racism ie that it is possible to be a white nationalist without being a racist. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Part of the problem here is that the article is applying a term for a contemporary phenomenon (relatively speaking) to an historical incident. If the article was about how contemporary White Nationalists deploy Eureka mythology, that might be an article (although again I'd see that more for a piece on the historiography of Eureka). However, that's not the content of this article; it is simply a discussion of racism in the context of the Eureka rebellion. I'm happy to change my view if one can show the preponderance of historians discuss the anti-Chinese incidents around the Eureka rebellion as "White Nationalism". Described as racism and xenophobia, yes, sources discuss those terms. However, White Nationalism is a far more recent term (Ngram comparison with racism) more frequently associated with *movements/parties* of the far-right, not *generalised* racism within society. I'm not aware of its general use to describe racism in mid-19th Century Australia. In the Australian context, it is initially associated with the anti-communist far right movements of the 1950s and 1960s and susequentlty applied to neo-Nazi movements (and others) in Australia from the 1970s. It's OR precisely because it's anachronistic. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
+1 Lamona (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Racism and xenophobia are also recent terms. Nor is it clear that the scope of the article is restricted to the 19th century. In the lead it reads: "The Eureka Flag is often featured on bumper stickers with white nationalist political slogans, and the Australia First Party has incorporated it into their official logo. Many, including Peter Fitzsimons, have criticised such use by 'those who ludicrously brandish it as a symbol of white Australia'." Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Racism and xenophobia are not absent from historians' discourse about Eureka, "white nationalism" is. Without a prepondrance of reliable sourcing to show otherwise, it's WP:SYNTHESIS to conflate the latter (white nationalism) with the former (racism and xenophobia). Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Furthermore, WP:V is policy - the Fitzsimons quote is among five of the six references in the lede which fail that policy. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
If it has a valid reference, then it cannot fail WP:V. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Merge any content worth keeping, per nom the topic does seem to lack notability for a standalone article. Ben Azura (talk) 08:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
Move content to anti-Chinese racism in Australia. Vacosea (talk) 02:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Merge. Body of the article has no content on modern use of the Eureka Rebellion/flag in white nationalist movements in Australia which is the ostensible subject of the article. There may well be other RS on that subject matter but an effort should be made to cover it in that article before forking if it becomes unwieldy. Parts from the intro could be incorporated into political legacy in the main article. Section about colonial attitudes towards the Chinese could be incorporated into Racism in Australia or Asian Australians if not appropriate for the Eureka Rebellion article. Chaste Krassley (talk) 05:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Nadir

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WP:NOTDICT, specifically the section WP:WORDISSUBJECT. This article contains nothing but definitions. There is no particular definition or concept that is the subject of the article, even a broad concept. It is original research, citing example usage to justify it's claims about term meaning, which have not been made anywhere else. Apart from dictionary entries, I don't see sources exploring any of the concepts mentioned here or saying anything meaningful about them beyond their definition. What content is there for us to write an article about? Daask (talk) 20:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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~~Delete~~ Merge to Glossary of astronomy: while there is use of this term in WP:RS, I didn't find any WP:SIGCOV about it. @Praemonitus: Re the merge target: zenith is not much better than this one on the DICDEF side, and to my surprise the glossary does not list nadir. I'd be for merging into the glossary only a very short description, similar to its entry on zenith. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 23:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I've added the redirect nadir (astronomy) to the nadir (disambiguation) page and a brief entry on the Glossary of astronomy article. Praemonitus (talk) 23:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: my thought would be to either merge into the zenith article (where it is mentioned), or to add an entry to the Glossary of astronomy article and redirect there. Praemonitus (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Many of the pages that link to Nadir are not using the word in an astronomical sense. Some use it in the medical sense or in the figurative sense. Others, like Hummingbird, use it to mean the physically lowest point of something, e.g. nadir of the dive. A link to Glossary of astronomy from those cases would be baffling. It seems very reasonable to add nadir to Glossary of astronomy, but I think that redirecting Nadir to point there could lead to a net increase in confusion unless we can remove all the non-astronomy links. Deleting might be tidier, or a soft link to wiktionary:nadir might be less confusing. Mgp28 (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Nadir (disambiguation). From the history this was some form of disambiguation stuff that over the years evolved into a separate, weak page. Do the redirect then repair the disambiguation (and perhaps the links). An hour or two of tedious editing. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:11, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect and also partially merge; Redirect to Nadir (disambiguation) as described by @Ldm1954: addresses issues raised above. I believe that the content describing the nadir on the page can be moved into the Glossary of astronomy, and that the medicine usage can be moved into Glossary of medicine. That way nothing is lost. The links can be left to be repaired as disambiguation links normally are. No reason to merge into Zenith in my opinion because the only important content is mostly a dictionary definition anyways. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:10, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge and rename: Since nadir and zenith are counterparts (in science), explaining one naturally also explains the other. I think it makes sense to keep their scientific explanations together. Similar to Praemonitus' suggestion, we could:
"Zenith": move to "Zenith and nadir", with hatnotes pointing to both z&n disambig pages.
"Nadir": redirect to "Zenith and nadir".
Glossary of astronomy could have a brief entry with a {{main|Zenith and nadir}} section hatnote.
Pages using "nadir" metaphorically should use an inline wiktionary link instead.-Ich (talk) 10:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

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Embassy of Ukraine, Bratislava

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This article largely based on a primary source merely confirms it exists. Fails WP:ORG for lack of third party coverage. LibStar (talk) 23:24, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

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usual, obvious merge to Slovakia–Ukraine relations given that there isn't a claim of notability for the embassy itself, and that most of the article is about relations between the two countries. Mangoe (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Slovakia–Ukraine relations, this doesn't appear to be worthy of a separate article. StewdioMACK (talk) 07:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete" the sources do not say much about the embassy. Vacosea (talk) 02:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Johnny Suh

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Article does not present how the subject is individually notable outside of his group as per WP:BANDMEMBER. Previously nominated last year for same reason and the result of the discussion was to redirect to NCT (group). Article was re-created on August 28 but the subject of the article still doesn't have independent notability. RachelTensions (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect back to NCT (group) Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 07:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Bhajantrilu

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (films). The longer Idlebrain.com source is the only significant source. Nowrunning and Indiaglitz (only 2 sources here, 1 of which is very short) are both considered unreliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force. Consider a redirect to M. S. Narayana [2].

A search in Telugu [3] yields nothing. Surprisingly, the review doesn't mention character names — are all the characters unnamed? DareshMohan (talk) 02:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to M. S. Narayana filmography: but not opposed to keep given casr, director and production coverage. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Friedrich Litten

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Not notable on his own. Fails GNG. Perhaps could be merged into a list but, not notable on his own. NeoJade ^Talk/_Contribs 02:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Passes WP:Prof#C6. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC).

Vykuntapali

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (films). The film did not receive significant coverage in production to be deemed notable. The release of the film's logo, its music and the film itself seem routine. Both reviews [4] [5] are deemed not notable per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force. Some sources are questionable [6].

There is one Indiaglitz source. Although Indiaglitz is mentioned as unreliable at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force, if there are many articles on a film during the early 2000s, it should be deemed significant, but in this case, there is only one article.

If this article was a draft, it wouldn't pass Articles for creation. Since the article is older than 90 days, moving to a draft isn't an option without an AfD. DareshMohan (talk) 02:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to List of Telugu films of 2011: not opposed to keep given icast and production coverage. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Amel Rachedi

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Not finding sufficient WP:SIGCOV of this individual who "presents" a show on her own Instagram channel to meet WP:GNG. She doesn't appear to meet any SNG either. There's just this story in WalesOnline; the rest is tabloid coverage excluded as SIGCOV under WP:SBST, or it's in unreliable sources like Forbes contributors. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep: Some coverage in a newspaper from Jamaica [7]. With the Wales newspaper, just barely enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:08, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Draško Bogdanović

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There is only one source (a blog) in the article which discusses the subject. It says he won an award but that is unsourced. I haven't been able to find any sources that discuss him or his work in any meaningful sense. Nothing that suggests he would pass WP:PHOTOGRAPHER, or even general notability. Griboski (talk) 02:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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1940–41 Primera Fuerza season

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Only very minimal content inside the article and has no inline citations. The one and only source ([8]) is by the RSSSF, which collects statistics of every football result. Due to it lacking coverage in sources, it fails WP:GNG. Azarctic (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Comment I am curious why you picked this season page out of all of them from 1902-03 to 1942-43. Technically there is nothing wrong with the article, it shows a historical table of what was then called an amateur league. However I believe the league did have good coverage in Mexican media. There maybe room for improvement, but in it's current form, I would combined all the league tables into one or maybe two articles. But historically, this league is part of the history of football in Mexico. So... also, how much WP:BEFORE did you do? I guess the coverage would be different in the 1940s due to WW2 and the political situation, so my bet is it's all about the offline sources anyway. Govvy (talk) 09:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
These tables are irrelevant anyway. It can’t be that significant if it’s getting 19 views per month either. All these seasonal articles should really be redirected to Primera Fuerza or deleted because there is barely anything in them in terms on content, which is why I picked this one because it has less content than the others, as well as barely any coverage. Azarctic (talk) 11:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Redirect to Primera Fuerza - possible search term. Giant Snowman 19:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep – Direct predecessor of the current Liga MX, there is a lack of sources but the notability exists. Svartner (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- In addition, the article in Spanish has literary sources on the history of Mexican football that seem credible to validate the information. Svartner (talk) 11:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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Isaiah Trammell

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No evidence of any notability to pass WP:GNG, sources presented are all articles about the same incident, which would likely mark the subject as a WP:1E case. The event's notability itself seems questionable, so I don't see how this could even be a redirect or merge target, and there's clearly not enough coverage of the person who this biography is written about beyond that for there to be an article about him specifically. Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO. JeffSpaceman (talk) 01:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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List of college football coaches with 150 NCAA Division I FCS wins

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Not seeing any sources suggesting this grouping meets the WP:LISTN as it is not covered by non-primary sources. Let'srun (talk) 00:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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758 Boyz SC

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Redirect to Sint Maarten Premier League as I cannot find any in-depth coverage of the team. JTtheOG (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Leonel Navarrete

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Poorly sourced footballer. I did find this, but I don't think it's enough to pass WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 00:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Leaders of capital cities of ASEAN member states

Template:Leaders of capital cities of ASEAN member states (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Some mayors do not have a definite source regarding their mandate from when, whether they are still in office or have already been in office. So for me please delete it because there are some mayors who don't have valid sources regarding this. – Whatsup236 (talk) 00:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Files for discussion

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Categories for discussion

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NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela

Propose merging Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:16th-century establishments in Venezuela
Propose deleting Category:1501 in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:1500s in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela is a single-member category which is unhelpful for navigation (and Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela would have the same problem if that was the upmerge target). Upmerge for now to the century level and delete the categories which will then become empty. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 06:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Merge/delete per nom. Also merge to Category:1501 establishments in South America. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Category:Ukrainian occupation of Russia

Propose deleting Category:Ukrainian occupation of Russia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Inherently flawed category; categories about military occupations do not contain occupied settlements, as the category can become rapidly out of date, especially in an ongoing war such as this one, and editors should not be expected to add or remove this type of category every time a settlement is captured or by either side. Typically, as is the case with Category:Russian occupation of Ukraine, these categories contain articles about the occupations themselves, not occupied settlements, but for this topic there is only one article pertaining specifically to the occupation, the main article on the only oblast which is partially occupied. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 11:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. No objection to having a category with articles about the military developments in this occupied area. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. More than 5 articles were included into category. Teterev53 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
@Flemmish Nietzsche: after User:Teterev53 has reorganized the category, the nomination presumably changes to delete Category:Places of the Ukrainian occupation of Russia. I have tagged that category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
@Marcocapelle I would say delete both; four of the six articles in the occupation category merely duplicate Category:Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and we don't need two categories on effectively the same thing; three of those four articles aren't even from after the start of the incursion/offensive, and thus Ukraine was not actually occupying any Russian territory. Until the category can sustain more than just an article on the category's topic and the person who runs it, I don't see a very good reason for its existence, or for the newly made Category:Places of the Ukrainian occupation of Russia. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point, I support deletion of both too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party

Propose merging Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party
Propose merging Category:Hunan Provincial Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party
Propose merging Category:Hainan Provincial Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party

Nominator's rationale: Three eponymous categories for political committees, each only containing the eponym with no other content at all. As always, everything that exists does not automatically get its own eponymous category just to recursively contain itself -- these would be fine if there were at least four or five spinoff articles to file in any of them besides the eponyms, but are not needed for just one thing. Bearcat (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible that given 2 days I could quickly write these entries to keep these categorized? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

New articles about notable topics are always welcome. That is irrespective of categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Speedy merge per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

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Meanwhile the categories have been populated with articles that provide hardly any further information about these committees, so I am not changing my vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata

Propose renaming Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata to Category:The Numbers ID not in Wikidata

Nominator's rationale: To move where the articles have been recategorized to via the {{Cite The Numbers}} temp. Consistency with Category:The Numbers ID different from Wikidata. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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ETDA

ETDA → Ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect was created as an obvious typo of the common name of the chemical, EDTA. However, "ETDA" has two legitimate meanings - the Electronic Trade Documents Act (2023) (see UNCITRAL Model Law on Electronic Transferable Records), and the Electronic Transactions Development Agency (see Surangkana Wayuparb). Neither of these has its own article, but the UK legislation, at least, has the potential to merit one. A standard {{redirect}} on the EDTA page is a possibility, but the resulting text will be long and potentially disruptive. My suggestion is therefore to add an ETDA section to EDTA (disambiguation) with entries for the UK law and the Thai government agency, but I don't know if this is fully compliant with our rules on DAB pages, and would like to discuss it before taking unilateral action. Tevildo (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Miscellany for deletion

See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, as MfD uses subpages for the nominations like AfD but places them within the process's main page.

Speedy deletion

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Proposed deletion

See Category:Proposed deletion as of 30 August 2024.

Copyright problems

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Fetească neagră (history · last edit · rewrite) from https://www.wine-searcher.com/grape-2061-feteasca-neagra, https://zenodo.org/records/2640054 (WINE PRODUCTION FROM LOCAL VARIETIES OF GRAPES IN MICROWINERY CONDITIONS) Note the latter source is open-access under CC BY 4.0. ~~2NumForIce (^speak|_edits) 01:11, 30 August 2024 (UTC)