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Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia

Sports broadcasting contracts in Serbia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason below:

Sports broadcasting contracts in Montenegro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Kosovo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Albania (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:46, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Was there a reason why all the articles you nominated have separate noms? Conyo14 (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From the one nomination about the article for FIFA Club World Cup, it was suggested that they should be nominated separately. I thought it was wise to nominate them separately until I realised that it was because they were about separate sporting events. I have to admit, I'm not too versed with this nominating them together. I'm trying to get into grip with it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's all good. If you wanted to, you could withdraw the other nominations and have this one be your collection of the nominations. However, you may still proceed if one country features more notability than the others. Conyo14 (talk) 17:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in the Netherlands

Sports broadcasting contracts in the Netherlands (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Spain

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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in South America

Sports broadcasting contracts in South America (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason below:

Sports broadcasting contracts in Central America (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sports broadcasting contracts in Middle East & North Africa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the sources are announcements or are primary and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Russia

Sports broadcasting contracts in Russia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources; either they are social media sources, are announcements and do not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Italy

Sports broadcasting contracts in Italy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only one source are primary, nothing but announcement and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Israel

Sports broadcasting contracts in Israel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Australia

Sports broadcasting contracts in Australia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Japan

Sports broadcasting contracts in Japan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are primary sources, are nothing but announcements and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ACL injuries in Australian rules football

ACL injuries in Australian rules football (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is another essay that doesn't seem to belong in Wikipedia. There is nothing specific about this type of injury in Australian football that makes it different than the same injury in any other sport. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete only 1 source is specifically about AFL, the rest is generic info on ACL injuries in sport and WP:SYNTH to link it to AFL. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I can't see anything here that isn't basically already covered in Anterior cruciate ligament injury. I'm all for niche content being included in the project, but this feels kind of... needlessly specific. Sleddog116 (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is an article about ACL injuries, with some WP:SYNTH to try and link it to the sport (and at most 1-2 of the offline sources that might be usable, but cannot tell as offline sources). I don't see a large amount of coverage linking the two (unlike for example women's association football and high levels of ACL injuries, which do seem to get a lot of mainstream coverage like [1]), and so this isn't a topic that needs to exist on Wikipedia. And especially not this article, which is really just an essay about ACLs. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Sleddog. I've had a read through the article and it looks like an essay to me. There's nothing linking ACL injuries to Austrailian Rules football that does not link it to any other sport. QwertyForest (talk) 11:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters

List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same issues below:

List of 2010 Commonwealth Games broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EFL Cup broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Eredivisie broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EuroLeague broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Ligue 1 broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are announcments and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: There was no way in which this article was going to survive. I have copied and pasted its content into the main article which means there is now no need for this to be retained. I am only commenting on, and advocating for deletion of, the FIFA CWC broadcast list. Rillington (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect only the Club World Cup broadcasting article to FIFA Club World Cup#List of current broadcasters per nom. Lacks standalone notability. Procedurally keep all others so they can be renominated separately if desired and their individual merits can be better examined. This list includes domestic football leagues, domestic and international football cups, and multiple non-football competitions which could have widely varying levels of notability.Frank Anchor 23:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Procedurally keep all others Agreed. Each of the others need to be separate AfD debates, should anyone propose their deletion from Wikipedia. Rillington (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I tried that before but then I had one user who suggested that they could be bundled together. I nominated them all as they had the same issues. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is no need of an article for something which can be covered in just 1 paragraph. Azuredivay (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters as per last AFD, and then procedural keep the rest due to inappropriate bundling. GiantSnowman 19:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep the other 5 articles and renominate separately. Some of these articles refer to leagues and others to a specific instance of a competition. One of these is about basketball. Each might have separate merits. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article and then procedural keep the rest per GiantSnowman's suggestion. Anwegmann (talk) 19:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters, procedural keep on rest as per others, the bundling of these together doesn't work well, since they're a range of different sports. List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters already has a clear mandate to be deleted, as it hasn't demonstrated any more notability than last time round. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Oceania Youth Olympic Games Qualifier (girls' field hockey)

2018 Oceania Youth Olympic Games Qualifier (girls' field hockey) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT, no third party coverage and is basically a results listing. Also nominating similar article:

LibStar (talk) 04:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eliana Gropman

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Fails WP:NSKATE: has neither won a medal at a senior-level international event, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nica Digerness

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Neudecker

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has he won the U.S. national championships at the senior level. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prabath Ruwan

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The subject of the article doesn't appear to meet GNG. This player made a single international appearance and played domestically in Sri Lanka. The article is sourced only to a database. I can find some articles mentioning his name in passing but I see no significant coverage. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 13:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of 2011–12 figure skating season music

List of 2011–12 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Incomplete, arbitrary WP:FANCRUFT. Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:38, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:
List of 2008–09 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of 2009–10 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of 2010–11 figure skating season music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgsu98: Surely you mean to bundle in all the other lists in this set (see Category:Figure skating-related lists)? Mach61 13:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn’t seen those yet… I’ll add them properly when I get home this afternoon. Thank you for letting me know! Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous WP:PROD candidate, ineligible for soft deletion.
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Laiken Lockley

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Fails WP:NSKATE; no medals won at any international competition, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:NSKATE doesn't provide an automatic notability anyway, it says Significant coverage is likely to exist, which means that it might not exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, seems like she may become notable in the future BrigadierG (talk) 18:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:TOOSOON, she hasn't yet made enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Given this article has had very few substantial updates since 2020, I don't see a reason to move it to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding space. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megan Wessenberg

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a senior-level medal at any international competition, nor has won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - I'm not seeing the sustained and substantial coverage in independent reliable sources needed to meet the inclusion criteria. JMWt (talk) 09:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Settimana bianca

Settimana bianca (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Wikipedia is not a dictionary, purpose of the article seems to be the promotion of winter resorts. Remsense 22:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment, the page is the literal translation of its Italian counterpart, I have not really investigated the topic in depth, but the page seems to go beyond a dictionary definition, and the bold claim that "purpose of the article seems to be the promotion of winter resorts" seems a baseless accusation, since no specific place (let alone resort name) is mentioned on the page. On the other hand, the Resort page mentions several resort names and locations, but we will certainly not delete it for that reason. Cavarrone 10:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not baseless, it's based in the promotional tone of the entire article. Remsense 16:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree with Cavarrone, the article can be improved, but it goes far beyond a dictionary entry. And I do not find it promotional, or at least I do not understand what it wuold be aimed to promote.--Pampuco (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. This has in fact become a big deal in the fashion world, but sourcing could be impractical, since many of the sources are on social media, such as Instagram, or popular magazines like Men's Health. If anything, it could become a promotional tool for the fashion industry. Bearian (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Major achievements in figure skating by nation

Major achievements in figure skating by nation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't see how this article doesn't violate WP:SYNTHESIS. Ignoring the blatant MOS:ACCESS issues with the tables (which I could address), these tables constitute original research and an assemblage of indiscriminate statistics. The very first table, for example, simply shows that Russia has won a gold medal in each of the listed events, but not how many, and then an unsourced total on the right column. Additionally, synchronized skating is (unfortunately) a separate entity from other figure skating disciplines. This is another example of someone treating Wikipedia like a figure skating fan wiki. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as WP:SYNTH per nom. In cases like this where there are many possible methods by which to synthesize the raw results from many competitions into an overall ranking, it is not upon Wikipedia to select one of them to crown the top nations. A mainspace article that promotes the personal opinion of one or two editors of how this should be done (i.e. what should count as a "major achievement") is a WP:NPOV violation. Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep Category:Major achievements in sports by nation exist for other sports. Listing how many medals each nation one, is acceptable. References can easily be found on pages linked to or from official sites for these various games. Category:Lists of figure skating medalists also exist. This is useful for having all the games they can win medals together easily found in a nice layout, just like all the other articles of this type. Dream Focus 21:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:OSE, that would be a reason to consider deleting them all rather than keeping this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You think these tables constitute a “nice layout”? I think they’re appalling. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you using a cell phone or are you zoomed in too much on the article? How is it different than any other table on Wikipedia? Dream Focus 23:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are all sorts of MOS violations. I am willing to correct the tables, but I don't want to do any more work on them until this AFD has been decided. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete clear WP:SYNTH. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is this synth? Listing what medals each country won, is not synth, it just an easily proven fact. Dream Focus 22:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This was already explained above. Deciding on a particular method for combining that information about individual medals into an overall ranking - e.g. have Wikipedia crown Russia as the all-time top nation in "All competitive disciplines", beating Canada and the United States - is WP:SYNTH and also a WP:NPOV violation. Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - per WP:NEXIST where a quick search reveals that reliable independent sourcing exists for all of this and, as such, is not a SYNTH violation. If you claim this should be deleted, you are promoting a WP:Trainwreck. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please show some sources that prove that this article is notable and not just a SYNTH- better than claiming sources exist, please demonstrate some decent and appropriate sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article links to the official websites showing the information already! Dream Focus 22:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This claim appears to be false. Or which web pages exactly of those currently linked under Major_achievements_in_figure_skating_by_nation#References contain these country rankings as shown in the article? Regards, HaeB (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Simple math is not Synth. Not does it say its ranking them in an official capacity. If that's your only complaint, then just remove the No. column. Dream Focus 06:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The SYNTH concerns raised above weren't primarily about the counting across those many different websites, but there are likely to be non-trivial decisions involved there too.
    In any case I'm glad that we appear to agree that the rankings are not official, i.e. that this article is making proclamations in Wikipedia voice of who the all-time top country in each discipline and even overall is. That is highly problematic, also given how contested such nation rankings in sports can be at times. Regards, HaeB (talk) 23:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL

Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this is not a grouping discussed in secondary sources. I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Let'srun (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also a courtesy ping to @BeanieFan11, who removed the initial PROD. Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun: I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Care to share the lists you found? If there is sufficient sourcing to establish notability for a list of XFL quarterbacks, but not specifically the starting quarterbacks, then perhaps this could be a "keep and move" situation to something like List of XFL quarterbacks. Left guide (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found the same one you did. Let'srun (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also note that, within the context of other articles about the league, that there is substantial information about starting quarterbacks' roles. Going back to 2020, there was a lot of reporting on starting QB salary being higher than other position players, which in and of itself establishes notability. I'll add that one to the article and others. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as currently structured due to complete lack of sourcing, ergo no establishment of notability and possible listcruft. In theory, going through individual quarterbacks' articles alone, there is enough material and sourcing to justify a list article—but I would prefer, given the structure of the UFL, that if such sourcing is established, that it be merged into its USFL counterpart, given that it is a historical list (see also: Timeline of the XFL and USFL) and that now-defunct teams be included as Former USFL and XFL teams in a separate section. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I have made some revisions to the article to make the lede more relevant to the XFL in particular in hopes of establishing notability and withdraw my vote to delete. My suggestion to merge remains. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. Cards84664 01:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If we don't have sources for this group, it should not exist as a standalone list, nor should should it be merged elsewhere.
JoelleJay (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources have been added to establish notability so that issue has been addressed. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where? I see sources for some individual entries, but nothing treating the list topic as a group. JoelleJay (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Individual articles discussing within the context of being a starting quarterback in the XFL/UFL. Individual articles discussing the relevance and importance of the position (especially in regard to salary). That crosses into GNG territory and no longer qualifies the topic for deletion.
If one must rise to the order of picking nits over subject focus of sources, it likely does not rise to the level where deletion would be warranted. That said, restructuring of the artlcle if/when the merger is proposed, I would like to see it trimmed to a comparable standard as the NFL starting quarterback in that the current/most recent example is the only one that needs to be listed, as there likely is nowhere near enough sourcing—at least anything rising beyond ROUTINE coverage—to warrant such listcruft. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you are describing is an article on the starting QB position in the XFL, not a list of them. To qualify for NLIST, that topic must have GNG coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: There are these two sources treating XFL quarterbacks as a group, (one of which is referenced in this article) but I don't know if it's enough to establish notability. At a minimum, it should qualify for a merge though. Left guide (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first of those is about XFL starting QBs as a position, not a list of individual QBs; in fact it only mentions one player. The second is not an independent source as ESPN has a broadcast contract with the XFL and therefore has a strong financial incentive to cover the league. The article is also not on starting QBs, so its coverage is irrelevant anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the discussion seems to be ongoing between those editors arguing for Delete and those advocating a Merge. I'll just add that I assume the proposed Merge target article is Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL as there is no article at Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL page title.
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@Liz: The XFL and USFL themselves are merging into a new UFL league, hence the intended merge target. Cards84664 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A new merge target has to be created first, regardless of the fact that the leagues have merged. I still oppose a merge since I don't see the sourcing needed to support it. Let'srun (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cards84664, I didn't say that the subject didn't exist, just that the article didn't exist. We can't merge this article into a nonexistent page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting for either delete or better merge target consensus.
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That sounds too complicated for an AFD closure. That is something that can be handled if this article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 07:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this is not a grouping discussed in secondary sources. I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Let'srun (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also a courtesy ping to @BeanieFan11, who removed the initial PROD. Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun: I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Care to share the lists you found? If there is sufficient sourcing to establish notability for a list of XFL quarterbacks, but not specifically the starting quarterbacks, then perhaps this could be a "keep and move" situation to something like List of XFL quarterbacks. Left guide (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found the same one you did. Let'srun (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also note that, within the context of other articles about the league, that there is substantial information about starting quarterbacks' roles. Going back to 2020, there was a lot of reporting on starting QB salary being higher than other position players, which in and of itself establishes notability. I'll add that one to the article and others. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as currently structured due to complete lack of sourcing, ergo no establishment of notability and possible listcruft. In theory, going through individual quarterbacks' articles alone, there is enough material and sourcing to justify a list article—but I would prefer, given the structure of the UFL, that if such sourcing is established, that it be merged into its USFL counterpart, given that it is a historical list (see also: Timeline of the XFL and USFL) and that now-defunct teams be included as Former USFL and XFL teams in a separate section. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I have made some revisions to the article to make the lede more relevant to the XFL in particular in hopes of establishing notability and withdraw my vote to delete. My suggestion to merge remains. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. Cards84664 01:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If we don't have sources for this group, it should not exist as a standalone list, nor should should it be merged elsewhere.
JoelleJay (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources have been added to establish notability so that issue has been addressed. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where? I see sources for some individual entries, but nothing treating the list topic as a group. JoelleJay (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Individual articles discussing within the context of being a starting quarterback in the XFL/UFL. Individual articles discussing the relevance and importance of the position (especially in regard to salary). That crosses into GNG territory and no longer qualifies the topic for deletion.
If one must rise to the order of picking nits over subject focus of sources, it likely does not rise to the level where deletion would be warranted. That said, restructuring of the artlcle if/when the merger is proposed, I would like to see it trimmed to a comparable standard as the NFL starting quarterback in that the current/most recent example is the only one that needs to be listed, as there likely is nowhere near enough sourcing—at least anything rising beyond ROUTINE coverage—to warrant such listcruft. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you are describing is an article on the starting QB position in the XFL, not a list of them. To qualify for NLIST, that topic must have GNG coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: There are these two sources treating XFL quarterbacks as a group, (one of which is referenced in this article) but I don't know if it's enough to establish notability. At a minimum, it should qualify for a merge though. Left guide (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first of those is about XFL starting QBs as a position, not a list of individual QBs; in fact it only mentions one player. The second is not an independent source as ESPN has a broadcast contract with the XFL and therefore has a strong financial incentive to cover the league. The article is also not on starting QBs, so its coverage is irrelevant anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as the discussion seems to be ongoing between those editors arguing for Delete and those advocating a Merge. I'll just add that I assume the proposed Merge target article is Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL as there is no article at Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL page title.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: The XFL and USFL themselves are merging into a new UFL league, hence the intended merge target. Cards84664 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A new merge target has to be created first, regardless of the fact that the leagues have merged. I still oppose a merge since I don't see the sourcing needed to support it. Let'srun (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cards84664, I didn't say that the subject didn't exist, just that the article didn't exist. We can't merge this article into a nonexistent page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting for either delete or better merge target consensus.
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That sounds too complicated for an AFD closure. That is something that can be handled if this article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 07:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters

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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same issues below:

List of 2010 Commonwealth Games broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EFL Cup broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Eredivisie broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EuroLeague broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Ligue 1 broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are announcments and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: There was no way in which this article was going to survive. I have copied and pasted its content into the main article which means there is now no need for this to be retained. I am only commenting on, and advocating for deletion of, the FIFA CWC broadcast list. Rillington (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect only the Club World Cup broadcasting article to FIFA Club World Cup#List of current broadcasters per nom. Lacks standalone notability. Procedurally keep all others so they can be renominated separately if desired and their individual merits can be better examined. This list includes domestic football leagues, domestic and international football cups, and multiple non-football competitions which could have widely varying levels of notability.Frank Anchor 23:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Procedurally keep all others Agreed. Each of the others need to be separate AfD debates, should anyone propose their deletion from Wikipedia. Rillington (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I tried that before but then I had one user who suggested that they could be bundled together. I nominated them all as they had the same issues. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is no need of an article for something which can be covered in just 1 paragraph. Azuredivay (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters as per last AFD, and then procedural keep the rest due to inappropriate bundling. GiantSnowman 19:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep the other 5 articles and renominate separately. Some of these articles refer to leagues and others to a specific instance of a competition. One of these is about basketball. Each might have separate merits. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article and then procedural keep the rest per GiantSnowman's suggestion. Anwegmann (talk) 19:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters, procedural keep on rest as per others, the bundling of these together doesn't work well, since they're a range of different sports. List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters already has a clear mandate to be deleted, as it hasn't demonstrated any more notability than last time round. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Dumont

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Notability of the person is not clear. Looks like promotion Rodgers V (talk) 12:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The majority shareholder of an NBA team seems like a notable figure. The article doesn't seem blatantly promotional, and it cites several valid sources. Zagalejo (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as the majority shareholder of a franchise in the NBA, one of the top sports leagues in the world, this person is notable and it can be presumed GNG-appropriate sources can be found about him. Even if no such sources are found, this would be a clear case to apply WP:IAR. Frank Anchor 02:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Fulfills WP:GNG. Vague reasoning for deletion by nom. \\ Loksmythe // (talk) 15:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article meets the criteria for notability and should be kept. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Clearly meets GNG. Not sure where the nom sees WP:PROMO. Longhornsg (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khalil Ziade

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While language is an issue, I cannot find notability as an athlete or a businessman. Owning a team isn't a path to guaranteed notability, which appears to be the only claim to notability. Not opposed to a redirect to Philippe_Ziade_(businessman)#Personal_life

NB: I was closer of prior AfD. REFUNDed as a soft delete at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Khalil_Ziade (courtesy @Graeme Bartlett:) Star Mississippi 12:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete A search on Google News shows only press releases.[2]-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Would accept Draftify if the editor who wants it saved made a commitment to try to bring the article up to an acceptable standard.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Strictly press releases found. I don't see any sourcing we'd use for this person, likely PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please find reliable sources:
    https://growthholdings.us/ One of the top real estate & company in US based in Las Vegas Nevada and contribute in construction, philanthropy, renewable energy and technology where Khalil is the Vice president.
    https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2023-11/60783140-otonomus-vice-president-khalil-ziade-jr-sparks-unprecedented-demand-in-tulum-s-riviera-maya-200.htm His business in Tulum
    http://leagues.uhlife.com/team_home.aspx?RegionID=10&ClubTeamID=7369&SeasonDivisionID=1482 Proof of he is basketball player
    https://yatunisia.com/5857/ about his baskeball team that he launched
    https://morocco-news.net/6387/ interview about his business
    https://news-music.net/6625/ His contribution for the port explosion
    I request to keep his page as Wikipedia is wide encyclopedia with lot of database and many Lebanese less popular have pages. Please to keep the same message to have the largest database for all the countries and for the different field. 176.203.6.111 (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't worry if kept or deleted. 176.203.152.140 gave this statement in their request to have it back: "The person really exist and is Lebanese businessman and fan of Basketball Player and used to play in Antranik, As businessman is the vice president of growth construction owned by his brother Phillipe, He is entrepreneur and philanthropist and one of the richest Lebanese which family are billionaire ( 4 Billion dollar estimated). I believe that the request of page or article deletion is by some Rival. I request for restoring the page as wikipedia is wide encyclopedia with lot of datas and database and many lebanese less popular have pages and articles such sports player playing in lower divison, decent actor in low Lebanese series, writer which instructed in my university and not known as an author or writer. The good thing about wikipedia is the largest information and database, please keep the same message especially Khalil and Phillipe are investors and well know business in Lebanon which are expanding. If anything controversy Wikipedia will expose it with reference but why to delete the page." Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please find the reliable notability you requested:
Businessmen:
https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2023-11/60783140-otonomus-vice-president-khalil-ziade-jr-sparks-unprecedented-demand-in-tulum-s-riviera-maya-200.htm His business in Tulum
https://group-mbc.com/6268/
https://group-mbc.com/6501/
https://group-mbc.com/6352/
https://group-mbc.com/6229/
https://group-mbc.com/5284/
https://group-mbc.com/4768/
Detailed article about the businessman an entrepreneur by one of the famous website in the Arab region
https://addiyar.com/article/1921376-%D8%AE%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%86-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%85-%D9%88%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%B7%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%86%D9%87%D9%88%D8%B6-%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%86%D9%8A-%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%88%D8%AB%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B7%D8%A7%D8%B9 Detailed article by Aldiyyar one the most famous newspaper in Lebanon
https://growthholdings.us/ His company with is his brothers One of the top real estate & company in US based in Las Vegas Nevada and contribute in construction, philanthropy, renewable energy and technology
Athlete:
http://leagues.uhlife.com/team_home.aspx?RegionID=10&ClubTeamID=7369&SeasonDivisionID=1482
https://www.facebook.com/arabasket/photos/a.1483283625273139/2972776569657163/
https://www.nidaalwatan.com/article/26483-%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B9%D8%A9-2%D8%A3%D9%86%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%AB%D9%81-%D8%AA%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%8A%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%87
https://group-mbc.com/5604/ Hon.President and major share holder which lead the team from lower division to the Lebanese top league division which now playing under the name of NSA and compete in the Basketball Lebanese top division where basketball is very popular in Lebanon which the league is one of the strongest league in Asia 176.203.6.111 (talk) 07:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Lebanese newspaper you found an article in is Ad-Diyar. Would you be willing to spend some time improving the article, if the article were moved to draft as Draft:Khalil Ziade? If you are going to do that, you need to learn how to present citations better (see example).
  • "خليل زيادة: نحن مُقبلون على أهم وأخطر مرحلة للنهوض بنادي "ابني لبنان" وثورة القطاع الرياضي هدفنا" [Khalil Ziadeh: We are entering the most important and dangerous stage for the advancement of the Ibn Lebanon” club, and the sports sector revolution is our goal.]. Ad-Diyar (in Arabic). 28 July 2021.
Notice that it helps to have the URL presented in the original script, though bot-editor tools are likely to mess it up.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 European Cricket League

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Virtually no WP:RS, one of the 2 sources is a 404 Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ngoni Mupamba

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. What I found was a couple of quotes here and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete in absence of suitable redirect There is a bit of coverage on this one, but it seems a bit one event'y and still likely fails WP:GNG even with offline coverage included, no lists so no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Travor Mutsamba

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 04:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Masekesa

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tinashe Muchawaya

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samarth Jurel

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, credited roles in the acting career are only two i.e in Udaariyaan and Maitree respectively. Rest are uncredited roles , listed after his appearance in the Bigg Boss (Hindi season 17) reality show. Also personal life and career section also lacks enough sourcing to establish notibility. Imsaneikigai (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Kandala

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Chikomba

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoun Handirisi

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found was a pair of sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baxon Gopito

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Chirimuuta

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kudakwashe Munyede

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak delete in absence of suitable redirect There is This, but that would only be one source, so still a WP:GNG fail, and no suitable redirect, so weak delete for now. If anything else is found ping and I'll reconsider. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brighton Chipungu

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tinashe Nenhunzi

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Indian Premier League squads

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK, as all squads already exist at 2024 Indian Premier League#Participating teams and the useful information on team changes already exists at List of 2024 Indian Premier League personnel changes. As such, we don't need this article which is just a repeated table of squads, and these reasons are why every other IPL season doesn't have this either, because it's so unnecessary. Generally, we only have separate cricket squad articles for major events for international teams, not franchise tournaments Joseph2302 (talk) 08:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect No need for the same information to be copied in a separate article. RoboCric Let's chat 16:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event

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Just because this game had a specific branding of "75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event", that doesn't make it notable enough for a separate article. There doesn't look to be WP:SUSTAINED coverage of this match, and the match itself has just WP:ROUTINE coverage. All of the "Background" section is not directly relevant to the match and could be covered in separate articles about the teams' cricketing histories, and the match details are already covered in Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep but not necessarily strongly - I guess you could make the argument this would be better merged, but there was a lot of coverage of the political portion of the event. I am finding some sustained coverage, especially because Albanese was invited back for the final. SportingFlyer T·C 09:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The match did recieve significant coverage in March 2023 in India. The series article you mentioned does not have much as compared to the content of this article. Moreover, if you do see, that series article itself is in an ongoing split discussion. Similar events like Namaste Trump have pages; and this was followed by an entire match.
Pharaoh496 (talk) 09:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23; unlike Namaste Trump or Howdy Modi or the bajillion other gimmicky diplomatic events, this one isn't independently notable. Coverage is routine and retrospective coverage is basically non-existent. AryKun (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • That article is already in an existing WP:SPLIT discussion, I dont deem it appropriate for the contents of this article to be merged as a singular match when they are contemplating seperating entire tours.
    • It did recieve decent coverage as well as some political fallout. As stated above, I support keeping
    Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That split discussion has had no comments for a year and is not caused by the article being too long, so isn't relevant to whether this article should be merged into it or not. There's also many choices for merge targets, including articles about Australia-India cricket and relations. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:48, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even if that merge discussion hasnt had comments for a year, plumping this content there will make it worse.
    • As stated by @SportingFlyer, and me; there was political coveage, I have tried to add a bit more. It was more than a cricket match, and I have included all the valid information on the trip.
    Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:39, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That split discussion centers on whether it was one or two distinct tours. If it gets split, this can be merged to whichever tour the Test series was part of. AryKun (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Still does not mean this article cant exist, per my existing points Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302 I beg to differ on your original point. The event getting unique branding preparations and then the event actually getting carried out constitute an article here. By that logic, I mighth have seen half a dozen good articles with less relevance than this; but thats the point - its all relevant, valid and cited information. It has failed GAN's but the reasons were for the article to improve further (which it has), and not actually take it down. Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 as this event was about diplomatic relations between two cricket playing countries when Australian team was in India 2023 for test matches against India. This event is not notable for a separate page with such title but fits best on page Australian cricket team in India in 2022–23 where a segment can be created about this celebration. RangersRus (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The page is about a test series. Having so much information about a single test is unconventional and inconvenient, not to mention unprecedented for a conventional wikipedia test series page.
    That particular page in question is already cluttered as it is. Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as above; it doesn't help that the article is in extremely poor condition—essentially a badly-written, promotional political puff piece, which is unacceptable. There are only a couple of reliable sources which provide SIGCOV of the events, and they all fall under WP:ROUTINE. Every other non-sporting citation does not contribute to notability. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you explain this? How exactly is it a promotional junk piece? Each source is cited to the best citation available, and contains all the information about the event and all the unique things taking place Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "all of the unique things taking place" can you really not hear yourself? Now find sources which show notability: read what WP:GNG says, and explain why the sources fulfil those criteria. Remember, you are arguing that the "75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event" is notable. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understanding the reason to merge - Topic relevant for standalone article

I would like to thank editors @AirshipJungleman29@RangersRus@AryKun@Joseph2302 for commenting here. I would like to raise some points here.
  • This was not just a cricket match: It was a 75-year anniversary celebration of cricket relations between the two countries + of international bilateral relations + of the success of an educational agreement. All of that information is included. It would be unfair to deem it as just a cricket match article.
  • Notwithstanding the above fact: The description of the entire match has also been included as it was at the start of the match which was played. So has the toss coin, the jersey exchange and the cap handing.
  • This event did have significant political coverage in India and Indian media; as well as some political fallout, and I as the editor of this page have done my best to add citations and backgrounds.
  • As stated before, the series article already has the required information of ten matches - it will be unconventional and inconvenient, not to mention unprecedented for a conventional wikipedia test series page to contain detailed information of this event. On top of it, even though it was a year ago, its undergoing a split discussion (with majority voting in favour), furthering the argument of not plumping this content onto that page.
  • This page has failed a GAN not for lack of nobility, but simply lack of citations which has then since been changed as much as possible, and I as, one of the principal editors currently, will constantly keep looking to improve the article and take suggestions even after the conclusion of this discussion.
Pharaoh496 (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this discussion Pharaoh496; your behaviour is becoming disruptive and your attitude towards this page is beginning to verge on WP:OWN. I have hatted the above monologue which adds absolutely nothing new to the discussion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rodney Mupfudza

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from "Women". Geschichte (talk) 22:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then I now support delete. That article explains that he isn't a T20I player anymore, and probably explains why there's not much coverage of him, as he was really just playing for a Zimbabwe B team there. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete the matches played by Zimbabwe have been stripped of T20I status, so he is no longer a T20I player (redirect doesn't apply therefore). Couldn't find any substantial coverage about the player, fails both WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG. RoboCric Let's chat 15:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naushad Iqbal

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The subject doesn't meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG in absence of any significant and independent coverage about the player. Fails WP:NCRIC either, as he doesn't have participation in any of the matches listed in WP:OFFCRIC. Previously, it was soft deleted through AFD, but has again been created. RoboCric Let's chat 14:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indiawin Sports

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WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because they own a bunch of cricket teams, that doesn't mean that the company itself is notable enough. I don't see enough independent coverage of them (i.e. other than just saying they own these teams) to pass WP:NCORP or WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • None of those look like WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to me. Sportskeeda is not a reliable source, as per WP:SPORTSKEEDA, Cric Tracker is a rehashed press release (and the 2 paragraphs about the company looks like something the company has written about themselves), India Today source is just stating how much they paid for a WPL team, as is the BS source (from what I can see, as it's paywalled). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm with Joseph2302 on this one. Of late, we have seen some very low quality sources used to demonstrate widespread coverage. I think that is also the case here. AA (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: some of the sources make no mention of Indiawin, others are not reliable and the rest are churnalism based on a press release, including the Business Standard. S0091 (talk) 14:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The company holds various teams across the world. Many times, instead of referring to the brand as ‘Indiawin owned,’ they simply say ‘Mumbai Indians owned’ (the biggest franchise under the brand). This lack of distinction is the reason it didn’t receive enough coverage. Additionally, it is clearly mentioned on the Mumbai Indians website that it is owned by Indiawin Sports. So, if we remove ‘Indiawin Sports’ and need to mention that the franchise is owned by Indiawin, how can we accurately refer to ‘Mumbai Indians’ when it itself is not a standalone brand but rather a franchise within the Indiawin brand? ‎Gorav‎Sharma 08:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the coverage is about the Mumbai Indians cricket team, then it's not coverage about the company. WP:NOTINHERITED applies here- just because the cricket team is notable, that doesn't mean the company that owns them are. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prince Abdulaziz bin Musa'ed Sports City

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG says that stadiums are not presumed notable and must meet GNG. There is only one source and it is just a very brief database type listing on the ministry of sports website. I'm generally more lenient than the guidelines on stadiums but this one misses the guidelines by a mile. Tagged by others for sources since December with you additions since the tagging. North8000 (talk) 03:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge and redirect to Ḥaʼil, It says it's a multi-use stadium, so merge and redirect to the city it's in. Govvy (talk) 09:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The stadium opened in 1981. There ought to have been lots of print and broadcast media coverage when plans to build it were announced and when it was officially opened. I don't read Arabic, though, and I don't know where I would find archives of Saudi media from around 1981. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 13:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teng Kuol

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Most articles are about his older brothers Garang and Alou. The remaining articles are generic regarding transfers or squad selection. Article fails WP:GNG.Simione001 (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaroslav Kravárik

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 04:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Per above. Not fail in WP:GNG, the article just needs improvement compared to the Czech version. Svartner (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - actually he is at the top of his field. Within WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Expansion is critical here. Anwegmann (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per sources/arguments above which show notability. GiantSnowman 19:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ha Jung-won

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect – as already established in other AfD regarding North Korean players without any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to 1966 World Cup squads page as mentioned above. Anwegmann (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wondering, is there any North Korean athlete that would qualify under the current notability criteria? Seems a bit unfair since they have no real media... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Jong Il-gwan, Jong Tae-se Simione001 (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with the sentiment here, even though, of course, there are a few examples that would pass current standards. I sincerely think there is a WP:BIAS issue with WP:GNG standards, at least as far as footballers are concerned. Anwegmann (talk) 01:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're at a disadvantage for sure, but they still have a reasonable number of accessible media outlets. Mass media in North Korea, Category:News media in North Korea. Not to mention foreign coverage of them. Also some NK athletes have been discussed pretty heavily by the South Korean media during warmer periods in relations, but less frequent nowadays. toobigtokale (talk) 03:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chon Byong-ju

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Antoniou

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Bean

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The subject played a very small number of matches for a lower league semi-professional football team. The only sources appear to be databases and club histories. I'm curious to see if others think this person meets the notability criteria. JMWt (talk) 08:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Firstly Gillingham is a fully professional club, so your nomination is slightly floored there. I am curious why you didn't post a question to ChrisTheDude who is highly active on wikipedia about your concerns first instead of going straight to AfD. Govvy (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also think it should have been discussed with the user who created this page, having a look at the page history, it has been on Wikipedia for a fraction under 15 years. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, it doesn't seem to be a hugely unreasonable AfD. He only played 3 times professionally and the article itself states No further details of his career are known, which is essentially a confession that not much was written about him. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Kell (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Geoff | Who, me? 20:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment To make this nom perfectly clear, I am conveying a WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I apologize for not making that clearer when I initiated the discussion. Geoff | Who, me? 04:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Completely disagree with your assessment, did you bother doing a WP:BEFORE? First result, he became a pilot. [4], Shocking nomination, there are a number of those on a google search which easily passes WP:GNG, with some interviews. There are more sources for his footballing career. Govvy (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - judging by the PROD comment, this should be seen as a potential WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE as Richard Kell himself has requested deletion. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per Govvy; over 100 professional appearances with coverage out there, clearly notable. GiantSnowman 19:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Govvy, WP:BEFORE not thoroughly completed. Notable footballer. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The request for removing this BLP came from an IP and it hasn't been verified. Also the IP showed irregular editing closer to vandalism, removing some cites that could be restored etc. So can it be even trusted? So the nominator requesting a change of nomination? Have you even been in contact with Richard Kell? I don't see any evidence of that. Govvy (talk) 08:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See VRTS ticket # 2024032510011024. You can ask a VRTS member for confirmation at the VRT noticeboard. Geoff | Who, me? 12:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 11:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly has a career worthy of notability. I agree with Govvy in full. This is very obvious. Anwegmann (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rhonard García

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The subject made a single appearance for the Dominican Republic national football team a decade ago. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG; all I found were passing mentions in both English- and Spanish-language media. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Derick Sequeira

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The subject made a single appearance for the Nicaragua national football team a decade ago. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG; all I found were passing mentions in both English- and Spanish-language media. JTtheOG (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carrie Staley (English footballer)

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She fails GNG. Sources in the article do not cover Staley in depth. An archive search only found mentions in match reports. Dougal18 (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters

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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same issues below:

List of 2010 Commonwealth Games broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EFL Cup broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Eredivisie broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of EuroLeague broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
List of Ligue 1 broadcasters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, all of the sources are announcments and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: There was no way in which this article was going to survive. I have copied and pasted its content into the main article which means there is now no need for this to be retained. I am only commenting on, and advocating for deletion of, the FIFA CWC broadcast list. Rillington (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect only the Club World Cup broadcasting article to FIFA Club World Cup#List of current broadcasters per nom. Lacks standalone notability. Procedurally keep all others so they can be renominated separately if desired and their individual merits can be better examined. This list includes domestic football leagues, domestic and international football cups, and multiple non-football competitions which could have widely varying levels of notability.Frank Anchor 23:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Procedurally keep all others Agreed. Each of the others need to be separate AfD debates, should anyone propose their deletion from Wikipedia. Rillington (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I tried that before but then I had one user who suggested that they could be bundled together. I nominated them all as they had the same issues. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:34, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is no need of an article for something which can be covered in just 1 paragraph. Azuredivay (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters as per last AFD, and then procedural keep the rest due to inappropriate bundling. GiantSnowman 19:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep the other 5 articles and renominate separately. Some of these articles refer to leagues and others to a specific instance of a competition. One of these is about basketball. Each might have separate merits. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this article and then procedural keep the rest per GiantSnowman's suggestion. Anwegmann (talk) 19:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and salt List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters, procedural keep on rest as per others, the bundling of these together doesn't work well, since they're a range of different sports. List of FIFA Club World Cup broadcasters already has a clear mandate to be deleted, as it hasn't demonstrated any more notability than last time round. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament final

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The men's Olympic football tournament is an under-23s tournament rather than proper full international. As such, there is no need to have separate articles for every final, unless that much is extraordinary and therefore has exceptional, WP:SUSTAINED coverage. The 2008, 2012, 2016 and 2020 men's finals do not achieve sustained coverage, and therefore are just an unnecessary WP:CFORK from the main articles about football at these Olympics. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament final (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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  • Comment: What part of WP:CFORK policy indicates these articles are unnecessary? Looking at WP:BADFORK, it seems like only two types of content forks ("Pages of the same type on the same subject" and "Point of view (POV) forks") are considered unacceptable, and this article doesn't fit into either of those categories. On the other hand, it does seem to fit into the WP:GOODFORK criteria of Article spinoffs: "Summary style" meta-articles and summary sections, so that seems like it would be an argument for keeping the article. --Habst (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A page that covers the same subject as another page of the same type is often called a "redundant content fork". The most common occurrence of redundant content forks results in 2 articles on the same thing; the extra one is a "redundant article fork". A separate article on the finals is not needed, when it could be covered perfectly well in the main articles e.g. Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament, and a split is not required as the article is not too long. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Joseph2302, thank you, I don't think that describes the current situation though. There is no redundancy because all the information in Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament final isn't covered in the parent Football at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament. If it could be covered perfectly well, then I think that would need to be done first before a deletion decision is made. In fact, the gold medal match is only given a small four-line table in the parent article with no match details at all, and despite that the article is already pretty lengthy due to having to cover every other match as well. --Habst (talk) 13:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A selective merge can be done if that's the consensus of this AFD. But creating separate articles for the finals of an under-23s tournament where the main article has almost no text about its matches isn't the correct article setup. the article is already pretty lengthy due to having to cover every other match as well. That article is long because it's filled with tables and WP:NOTSTATS violations, whereas prose is what that main article needs, as per MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Joseph2302, WP:NOTSTATS says that the solution to too many stats is actually to split them out into a separate article, which I believe is contradictory to the premise of this AfD wanting to remove content forks: Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. Prose can and should certainly be added, and there is definitely enough WP:GNG coverage to summarize, e.g. at [5] and [6]. But adding prose would only make the article longer, which would further necessitate a content fork. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main article needs prose as per MOS:PROSE. Splitting the prose out into the final article instead of in the main article is not correct. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Joseph2302, thanks, I do agree with that. Because the main article needs prose and is already quite long, that would necessitate splitting out some sections into content fork articles, so I'll !vote to Keep this article on that merit combined with the above WP:GNG sourcing. --Habst (talk) 12:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Procedural keep - inappropriate bundling, but in any event there appears to be coverage out there. GiantSnowman 19:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Easily meets the standards of WP:SIGCOV and WP:SUSTAINED. The Olympics, and its football tournament, are also clearly notable events. Anwegmann (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – It is exactly the finals from 2008 to now that have received enough attention from the media. In the 70s/80s there is indeed a lack of coverage, but these last four finals have extensive sources in different languages ​​available online. Svartner (talk) 17:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lázaro Reyes

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Several searches, using different keywords, brought up nothing but database pages. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yorky Arriagada

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Chilean women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was this transactional announcement from a hometown publication and this story on some community service work she did. JTtheOG (talk) 00:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryo Nakano

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Stats stub on a footballer that played a small part in 3 matches before seemingly disappearing. The only Japanese source that I could find that might be about him was Gekisaka, but this is an interview of a school student so clearly falls foul of WP:YOUNGATH. In Singaporean media, ignoring all the coverage from Albirex, which is not independent of Nakano, we only have SPL1, SPL2 and Borneo Bulletin, all of which are just trivial mentions. Based on this evidence, doesn't look to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanders Saurajen

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Played only 138 mins of football before leaving the sport to pursue a career in dentistry. Now, GIFC is obviously not an independent source as it was his employer at the time, so does not count towards WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC, both of which require multiple sources independent of the subject. In terms of independent sourcing, I found nothing better than Straits Times, a trivial mention, SPL, also a trivial mention and from the FA of Singapore as well so probably not independent, and Active SG Circle, which contains 4 mentions in a match report. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leonel Pérez (footballer)

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It seems his main claim to fame is playing 23 mins in the Mexican second tier many years ago. The best source that I can find is Informador, which is simply a match report that mentions him scoring a goal in a cup match. I can't find anything towards WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Laguna

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Extremely poorly sourced and doesn't show evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. My own searches yielded Info7, Medio Tiempo and Diario de Morelos but these are just squad list mentions and don't show WP:SIGCOV of Laguna. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armel Oroko

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Fails WP:GNG. I found passing mentions but nothing close to WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristoffer Jørgensen

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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. He played only a few matches at the professional level, and the only source used does not confirm his notability. Just WP:NOTJUSTYET, but maybe he deserves an article in a few months or rather years. FromCzech (talk) 07:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prabath Ruwan

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The subject of the article doesn't appear to meet GNG. This player made a single international appearance and played domestically in Sri Lanka. The article is sourced only to a database. I can find some articles mentioning his name in passing but I see no significant coverage. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 13:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Casiano Mba

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Fails WP:GNG. I was unable to find anything remotely resembling WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hassan Houbeib

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep A regular national team player who plays in a league that gets pretty much zero regular coverage. He has no chance of SIGCOV even though he is clearly notable for Mauritanian football. Anwegmann (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Zero regular coverage" and "no chance", you mean coverage in English, right? I wouldn't know how to conduct a meaningful search in his alphabet, but he featured at the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations just a month ago. Geschichte (talk) 08:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His appearance at 2024 AFCON speaks to my point, I think. The Mauritanian and Iraqi leagues don't receive much coverage from trustworthy media sources—French, English, or Arabic—and individual Mauritanian players in the local league and more "obscure," for lack of a better word, leagues receive even less. My point is that a strict interpretation of WP:SIGCOV, without taking larger context and performance into account, skews coverage on Wikipedia away from non-Western players, venturing into WP:BIAS territory. Because Houbeib has appeared more than a dozen times for a national team and appeared in a major continental tournament recently that was broadcast around the world, to me, his notability is established. Would I like to see more significant coverage in classical media sources? Yes, of course. But in this case, I don't think it's required to keep the article. This isn't a third-division semi-pro player who represented his country once at under-19 level. This is a regular player for a national team that qualified for and played in a continental tournament. Anwegmann (talk) 16:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just made aware of this AfD in another discussion circling around the possibility of inherent notability due to national team caps. If anything, this provides some precedent for what I'm saying. I acknowledge, though, that 15 national team caps is a bit low for inherent notability, given the precedent established in the linked AfD. That said, though, appearance in the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations reasonably adds to this player's notability. I would be willing to change my vote to "draftify" if we can reach some kind of consensus about this. Anwegmann (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify: the cap tally is now 21. I also believe that we are now far, far into WP:BIAS territory. There is a difference between a performing team like Mauritania and insignificant countries (within football) such as Belize and Nepal. But, alas: sources. Geschichte (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although I don't fully agree that there is a difference between national teams, as they each have fundamental value in world football, I agree with your sentiment and overall point here. Houbeib continues to appear for a national team that recently performed in a continental tournament. This is well into the realm of WP:BIAS. Anwegmann (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - He has international caps therefore he is undoubtedly notable. IJA (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which guideline states this? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, if even the editors advocating to keep this article acknowledge there is not and will not be IRS SIGCOV then clearly a standalone article is not warranted. JoelleJay (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong keep - coverage found here (signing), here (signing), here (contract extension), and probably many more Arabic-language sources. All I did was search the player's Arabic name (الحسن سالم احويبيب) and some immediate results came back. I can't read or understand Arabic so my search ended after these three articles— but I'm sure there's way more. Then, we need to consider that the bar for Mauritanian footballers' coverage is lower than for Western players, as there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general. Lastly, this guy has made 20+ caps for a prominent African national team, and has competed at a MAJOR tournament. The evidence of coverage existing, the threshold being at a certain level, and the prominence of the player all bring me to the conclusion that article needs to be kept & improved. I'd even suggest a page move to fix currently incorrect page title. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @GiantSnowman and The Herald: Sources found. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should ping JoelleJay. I simply relisted. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources are the definition of routine, trivial transactional coverage, not to mention non-independent since almost everything in them is quoted from the club. And the first two are essentially identical! Why would you link to those sources as evidence of SIGCOV if you didn't even read them?? JoelleJay (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that these sources don't appear enough. GiantSnowman 19:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman and JoelleJay: Y'all have your bar set way too high for coverage of this player. You must remember that the subject is a Mauritanian footballer—not English, German, but Mauritanian. Also, playing at a major tournament like AFCON definitely means that Arabic-language sources exist... deleting this article would start a slippery slope in which hundreds non-Western articles would get deleted simply due to a lack of easily-findable coverage by editors that exclusively use Latin-alphabet keyboards. Take some time to do a proper Arabic-language search instead of bashing this article and not giving it much thought.
In my opinion, the surface-level presence of Arabic-language sources shows that relative to the depth of all coverage of Mauritania-related topics, this player has some kind of notability. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even more digging shows plenty of stuff about him popping up. this, this, and notably this. Yes, there is a routine feel to the coverage, but there's just a point where you have to understand that the bar is not as high as it would be for a player playing in Western Europe. The fact that there's just this many articles on a relatively obscure Mauritanian footballer says something. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is deleted, we could probably delete 50% of all articles about footballers from Arabic-language countries where media coverage is harder to find. That's not a good thing. I understand there are deletionists, but this isn't an article that should be deleted, especially considering how prominent this player is in African football. (Yes, competing at two AFCONs is quite prominent, I think). Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general is literally why more athletes from Western countries are notable. If a subject doesn't get IRS SIGCOV then by definition it is not notable! What you are arguing is for us to reinstate presumptions of coverage--or even inherent notability--based on the subject reaching some arbitrary, subjective level of achievement, but such presumptions have been repeatedly and near-unanimously rejected.
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 54#Renewed proposal for association football (soccer)
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 55#Should we soften the phrase "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources."?
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 52#Proposed Notability criteria track and field athletes (see WP:NTRACK) The community has rejected participation-based notability criteria even when a single appearance in some league or tournament empirically predicts SIGCOV 100% of the time; there is thus 0% chance of us accepting any criterion whose SIGCOV predictive power isn't supported by any evidence at all. JoelleJay (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 2022 RfC made it clear the requirement for SPORTCRIT SIGCOV applies to all athletes, regardless of location or time. We do not change our bar for coverage based on where the subject is from. Conferring notability to some geographical subset of subjects via the exact same routine, trivial, and non-independent sources we dismiss for subjects everywhere else in the world is patronizing and would only encourage applying those same standards to progressively less encyclopedic tiers of Western subjects. And presuming actual SIGCOV does exist based only on the presence of such low-quality non-GNG sources is exactly what was deprecated through wide consensus two years ago.
The 4th source you link is identical to source #3, #5 is trivial coverage of the same topic, and literally the only secondary independent coverage of Houbeib in #6 is Al-Zawraa player, Mauritanian Al-Hassan Ahouibib, joined the team's training today, Monday, after the end of his vacation, which was granted to him with the cancellation of last season. The rest is taken directly from the club. This is the case for all of the sources you've linked: a couple sentences of routine transactional announcements interspersed with "the club said [blahblahblah]" and more general updates on the club as a whole. JoelleJay (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you think this article aught to be deleted, I urge you to start nominating every single other similar player article that has "less" notability than this guy. You'll find that there's much more coverage of this guy than some other players who survived AfD in the past or that have articles that happen to exist despite probably failing GNG/SPORTCRIT. I stand firmly in my belief that we're being too harsh here and that the coverage is enough. Also, how did you brush by these sentences?
1. Al-Hassan Ahwaibib is considered one of the reasons for the strength of Al-Zawraa’s defense during the past season, due to its consistent level during the tournament.
2.Huwaibib plays as a libero. He played great matches with Al-Zawraa last season, and succeeded in convincing coach Ayoub Odisho to renew with the team and lead the defense line...
These seem like notable secondary independent coverage of the subject. That's three different sources offering secondary coverage. Who says there isn't more? I can't properly do an Arabic-language search and this is what I found easily. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Michel van Rijt

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (sports) LouisOrr27 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse breathing

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No good sources in 15+ years, I couldn't find anything greater than blog quality asa skurce when I checked Big Money Threepwood (talk) 04:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Don't we require more intensive sources for health related topics? If so the sources we have so far probably do not meet the bar. Industrial Insect (talk) 19:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as the article currently stands. I'm sure there are plenty of books espousing the benefits of this technique, but that drags us into WP:MEDRS territory, which this absolutely fails. This could perhaps be integrated as a small paragraph in qigong, with cites that practitioners claim medical benefits. But right now, this is an overly credulous article that does not strike the proper tone for a technique with such strong claims of health benefits. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 19:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP as there are lots of book coverage. This, this, this, this, this, this and this are enough to establish notability. --Twinkle1990 (talk) 08:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITEXISTS is not going to override WP:MEDRS. It may be notable within its selected practices, but this article would need to be blown up and built from scratch to excise all the "health benefits" claims with no scientific backing, and then there's nothing left for an article. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 13:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @HandThatFeeds hold on please.
    Reverse breathing is one kinda practice for physical and mind power. Like various practices of Yoga, Reverse breathing is also a part of the practice of physical strength. Indian action actor Vidyut Jammwal also said that he practices it. Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh also spoke about Reverse breathing here alongside in a controvercial statement. This paper also speaks about the subject.
    It is not about WP:MEDRS but about traditional practice that exists for hundreds of years. - Twinkle1990 (talk) 16:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a traditional practice with no scientific backing to support its supposed health benefits. Full stop. Hence my suggestion for discussing its traditional practice in qigong and other appropriate articles. The current article is too credulous to unproven health benefits and, if you excise that content, there's virtually nothing left. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 16:27, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @HandThatFeeds this Reverse breathing is beyond of my capacity. Probably not for females, so I can't.
    But, some traditional practices never needed any kind of modern medical science just like Yoga. Modern medical sciences are evaluating the traditional practices for health benefits. For example Acupuncture is called Pseudoscience here in Wikipedia. But this, this and this establishes notability of Acupuncture. (talk) 16:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't follow your argument here, but I've made my point and we're going in circles. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 16:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: The subject can be better described as part of Qigong, as it stands the health claims are tendentious given the citations and the one PubMed article does not indicate a strong connection between this practice and any of these claims. If it does need to exist it would fare better if completely rewritten and re-sourced. Reconrabbit 17:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe qigong would be the only appropriate target for that. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 15:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as suggested with Qigong to a subsection or mention there. I note the Qigong article is available in 47 languages, while Reverse breathing is only available in English. The Reverse breathing article is available in the Internet Archive for accessing. 5Q5| 11:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist as there is not yet consensus and to assess a possible Merge to Qigong
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Ankit Singh (race car driver)

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Cannot find anything notable about the individual. His racing stats are certainly not notable.

I am not sure what the "North American Grand Prix Championship held in Las Vegas" is referring to (ie. series, class, car). Also the "Fastest Lap Time Award at Daytona Beach, Florida" may be true but is most likely in a certain type of car which is not notable.

Ultimately I believe it fails SIGCOV lacks strong reliable sources. Grahaml35 (talk) 20:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as likely hoax. Basically can't corroborate any of the claims in the article or sources; vastly overrepresented at best, just made up at worst. Claimed racing achievements aren't reflected in any racing press, as suggested by GhostOfDanGurney. The cryptography algorithm claims aren't reflected in any academic sources. The "brain-computer interface" claim is likely this obscure conference proceeding paper. [8] ~ A412 talk! 19:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:N. The subject does not seem to have done anything significant and worthy of notice enough to deserve wide attention as technology profession or as race car driver. He is said to be winner of the 2016 Grand Prix. There is no official grand prix site that has him listed as a winner. I do not find any coverage about the race. If he won a grand prix, it does not seem the race was notable. RangersRus (talk) 12:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2010 WSK Euro Series

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The season of series was not notable and did not gather any SIGCOV. After a search, there was an announcement regarding the calendar, but the rest were just results. There were some notable drivers in the series, but that does not establish notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tennis

Isabella Bozicevic

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT or WP:NTENNIS. LibStar (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft tennis at the 2022 Asian Games – Mixed doubles

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Falls very short on the relevant SNG criteria. And that guidance pretty clearly says why it has noot GNG coverage or even is likely to possibly have it. Has only one source with is stats-only by the folks who ran it. North8000 (talk) 18:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Sage

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Non notable person cites IMDB amoung other questionalbe sources, personal life lists him as part of other nonnotable things Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Not notable for anything tennis related. As an actor or cover band artist others will need to make that determination. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass WP:GNG on much better sourcing than has been shown. The only GNG-worthy referencing shown here is human-interest coverage of the "local guy does stuff" variety in the local media of the area where he lives, which isn't enough by itself if he has nothing more nationalized — and otherwise the rest of the article is referenced to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – secondary coverage is WP:ROUTINE (they seem to be stories of the "brief, often light and amusing" variety discussed at that guideline). A Google search turns up no additional resources to build up the article. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Wrestling

NWA New England X Division Championship

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No notable pro wrestling title. A regional title active for a few years. Lack of third party reliable sources focusing on the title besides a few WP:ROUTINE results. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NWA Florida X Division Championship

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No notable pro wrestling title. A regional title active for a few years. Lack of third party reliable sources focusing on the title besides a few WP:ROUTINE results. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 13:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catalyst Wrestling

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Half the current references are WP:NOTRELIABLE according to WP:PW/RS and a search didn't show any potential to fix it.

Edit: and the rest of the sources are also unreliable (WP:USERGENERATED) or trivial mentions (WP:ORGTRIV). Spagooder (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - as I said when I removed the soft delete, there are RS sources cited that are all entirely about the company. Perhaps you should show why you feel the sources are not RS instead of compound delete noming? The talk page was available for discussion... Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 07:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator also states "half the references" are not RS... which seems to imply the rest are fine for asserting notability (?) ... this feels like WP:IDONTLIKEIT to me. Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 07:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Response You wrote it, so it's understandable that you'd be defensive of it. Per PW/RS — "Avoid using these sources. They report rumors, speculation, and have no reliable sourcing (where they get their information from)." If you scroll to the bottom, you'd see footnotes listing some specifics. In the case of Wrestling Estate, which you used 3 times, it's a "fan website with no visible oversight." Those are just the ones immediately disqualified by PW/RS, which I said in my original reasoning. If you have further questions about their rationale, please reach out to them.
Now, let's evaluate the other sources—Jersey City Upfront is a "hyper-local blog" ("generally unacceptable" per WP:UGC) and Alliance-Wrestling is "the premier fan site for the National Wrestling Alliance, blogging" ("generally unacceptable" again). Fightful is a reliable secondary source but its 2 uses were for results (trivial coverage that does not count toward meeting the significant coverage requirement, per WP:ORGTRIV) and Last Word on Sports looks like it could be a reliable secondary source, but it's just a local event preview (again, trivial coverage).
This article would need a full rehaul to meet the minimum standard but I haven't seen anything to show me that's currently possible. Spagooder (talk) 15:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Sportspeople

Teng Kuol

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Most articles are about his older brothers Garang and Alou. The remaining articles are generic regarding transfers or squad selection. Article fails WP:GNG.Simione001 (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veronika Zhilina

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Article is well written, comprehensive, high effort, and formatted well, but sadly I don't believe WP:NSKATE is met here. I would consider draftifying this over deletion. BrigadierG (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify as nom BrigadierG (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlsen–Nakamura rivalry

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Fails WP:GNG, and fails WP:NOR starting with WP:SYNTH, as rumors and coincidences have been used to create a rivalry that simply does not exist in the real world, not in the way that we understand the term to mean when we say "X-Y rivalry". As it will be relevant in the discussion, I want to note upfront that chess24.com and chess.com are not independent sources when it comes to Carlsen and Nakamura, and they do not always take their journalism seriously. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom – Article definitely fails mentioned categories above. A lack of impartial sources reporting on this topic as well definitely makes this article very dubious. This entire "rivalry" is more sensationalist tabloid than anything else, hoping to exploit the popularity of both players in recent years, rather than a genuine sports rivalry (e.g. Karpov–Kasparov). Zinderboff(talk) 14:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong keep or merge into two separate subsections on their pages. Notability is edgy but verifiability is there.
The topic itself is covered by non-chess RS here [12], here [13], here [14], and elsewhere.
If any of the details currently presented are SYNTH, deletion is hardly the answer.
Also, chess rivalries are not necessarily as savage as football rivalries. Chess is pure struggle, and not a physical one.
RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: CNN does indeed make a bizarre and extraordinarily exaggerated claim about their "must-watch encounters" being comparable to Messi vs. Ronaldo et al. However, there are no further reliable sources in the article about a "rivalry", only synthesis. The topic is not notable because the two players might have anticipated online blitz/bullet matches but are not comparable in an over-the-board format. Carlsen says "not really" to a comparison. Some other sources seem to exist e.g. Financial Times, but this is not the level needed for a standalone article (I'd expect books and academic articles written on the topic). There is no American-Soviet politics like with Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky. Chess.com is not independent of Nakamura as they are a sponsor and both of their streaming projects are financially dependent on each other. The Play Magnus Group article demonstrates that Chess24 and Chess.com are not financially independent of Carlsen. — Bilorv (talk) 17:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 17:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I'm really not sure what the case is here. It's a well-sourced article including citations from varied reliable sources, both chess-focused and not, so very clearly passes the notability criteria even if one excludes chess.com/chess24 sources. The IndianExpress article cited by Bilorv only furthers to support the validity of the article and would be useful to add as a citation: Carlsen playing down the rivalry himself is irrelevant if a reliable source is reporting on the rivalry as existing- it's not up to the two players to determine the status of it. However, one thing I do think the article fails to make clear is that the reliable sources tend to focus on their rivalry in online speed chess in particular, rather than claiming a rivalry in classical over the board chess, so I do think it would be useful to reword the article somewhat to make the scope of it clear. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 18:43, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete per Bilorv. Schweinchen (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete We have far too many bad articles on rivalries that aren't actually rivalries. The sources here don't show this is an actual rivalry, just two good players who have played a number of games against each other. SportingFlyer T·C 21:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Bilorv and Usedtobecool. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:NRIVALRY due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. The sources are either primary or don't actually mention a rivalry beyond passing mentions. Let'srun (talk) 12:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment The claim that the sources "don't actually mention a rivalry beyond passing mentions" is incorrect- the CNN, FT, and IndianExpress citations all explicitly have the rivalry as a main focus of the articles. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel like it would be worthwhile to point out that most of the attention to this article has probably stemmed from the fact that it was posted on reddit with negative commentary yesterday, and that most of the editors pushing for the article to be deleted are not regular editors of chess-related articles. I am concerned about the possibility of vote brigading. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 12:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jaroslav Kravárik

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 04:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Per above. Not fail in WP:GNG, the article just needs improvement compared to the Czech version. Svartner (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - actually he is at the top of his field. Within WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:56, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Expansion is critical here. Anwegmann (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per sources/arguments above which show notability. GiantSnowman 19:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ngoni Mupamba

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. What I found was a couple of quotes here and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 04:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete in absence of suitable redirect There is a bit of coverage on this one, but it seems a bit one event'y and still likely fails WP:GNG even with offline coverage included, no lists so no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Travor Mutsamba

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 04:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ha Jung-won

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect – as already established in other AfD regarding North Korean players without any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to 1966 World Cup squads page as mentioned above. Anwegmann (talk) 19:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect as above. GiantSnowman 19:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wondering, is there any North Korean athlete that would qualify under the current notability criteria? Seems a bit unfair since they have no real media... BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Jong Il-gwan, Jong Tae-se Simione001 (talk) 22:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with the sentiment here, even though, of course, there are a few examples that would pass current standards. I sincerely think there is a WP:BIAS issue with WP:GNG standards, at least as far as footballers are concerned. Anwegmann (talk) 01:07, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They're at a disadvantage for sure, but they still have a reasonable number of accessible media outlets. Mass media in North Korea, Category:News media in North Korea. Not to mention foreign coverage of them. Also some NK athletes have been discussed pretty heavily by the South Korean media during warmer periods in relations, but less frequent nowadays. toobigtokale (talk) 03:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chon Byong-ju

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Antoniou

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michel van Rijt

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability (sports) LouisOrr27 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Masekesa

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tinashe Muchawaya

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samarth Jurel

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, credited roles in the acting career are only two i.e in Udaariyaan and Maitree respectively. Rest are uncredited roles , listed after his appearance in the Bigg Boss (Hindi season 17) reality show. Also personal life and career section also lacks enough sourcing to establish notibility. Imsaneikigai (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Bean

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The subject played a very small number of matches for a lower league semi-professional football team. The only sources appear to be databases and club histories. I'm curious to see if others think this person meets the notability criteria. JMWt (talk) 08:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Firstly Gillingham is a fully professional club, so your nomination is slightly floored there. I am curious why you didn't post a question to ChrisTheDude who is highly active on wikipedia about your concerns first instead of going straight to AfD. Govvy (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also think it should have been discussed with the user who created this page, having a look at the page history, it has been on Wikipedia for a fraction under 15 years. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, it doesn't seem to be a hugely unreasonable AfD. He only played 3 times professionally and the article itself states No further details of his career are known, which is essentially a confession that not much was written about him. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Kell (footballer)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Geoff | Who, me? 20:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment To make this nom perfectly clear, I am conveying a WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. I apologize for not making that clearer when I initiated the discussion. Geoff | Who, me? 04:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Completely disagree with your assessment, did you bother doing a WP:BEFORE? First result, he became a pilot. [16], Shocking nomination, there are a number of those on a google search which easily passes WP:GNG, with some interviews. There are more sources for his footballing career. Govvy (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - judging by the PROD comment, this should be seen as a potential WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE as Richard Kell himself has requested deletion. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per Govvy; over 100 professional appearances with coverage out there, clearly notable. GiantSnowman 19:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Govvy, WP:BEFORE not thoroughly completed. Notable footballer. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The request for removing this BLP came from an IP and it hasn't been verified. Also the IP showed irregular editing closer to vandalism, removing some cites that could be restored etc. So can it be even trusted? So the nominator requesting a change of nomination? Have you even been in contact with Richard Kell? I don't see any evidence of that. Govvy (talk) 08:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See VRTS ticket # 2024032510011024. You can ask a VRTS member for confirmation at the VRT noticeboard. Geoff | Who, me? 12:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 11:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Clearly has a career worthy of notability. I agree with Govvy in full. This is very obvious. Anwegmann (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rhonard García

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The subject made a single appearance for the Dominican Republic national football team a decade ago. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG; all I found were passing mentions in both English- and Spanish-language media. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Derick Sequeira

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The subject made a single appearance for the Nicaragua national football team a decade ago. I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG; all I found were passing mentions in both English- and Spanish-language media. JTtheOG (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carrie Staley (English footballer)

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She fails GNG. Sources in the article do not cover Staley in depth. An archive search only found mentions in match reports. Dougal18 (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lázaro Reyes

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Several searches, using different keywords, brought up nothing but database pages. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yorky Arriagada

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Chilean women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that came up in my searches was this transactional announcement from a hometown publication and this story on some community service work she did. JTtheOG (talk) 00:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Kandala

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Chikomba

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoun Handirisi

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found was a pair of sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baxon Gopito

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryo Nakano

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Stats stub on a footballer that played a small part in 3 matches before seemingly disappearing. The only Japanese source that I could find that might be about him was Gekisaka, but this is an interview of a school student so clearly falls foul of WP:YOUNGATH. In Singaporean media, ignoring all the coverage from Albirex, which is not independent of Nakano, we only have SPL1, SPL2 and Borneo Bulletin, all of which are just trivial mentions. Based on this evidence, doesn't look to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanders Saurajen

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Played only 138 mins of football before leaving the sport to pursue a career in dentistry. Now, GIFC is obviously not an independent source as it was his employer at the time, so does not count towards WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC, both of which require multiple sources independent of the subject. In terms of independent sourcing, I found nothing better than Straits Times, a trivial mention, SPL, also a trivial mention and from the FA of Singapore as well so probably not independent, and Active SG Circle, which contains 4 mentions in a match report. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Chirimuuta

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Cricketer Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kudakwashe Munyede

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 01:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak delete in absence of suitable redirect There is This, but that would only be one source, so still a WP:GNG fail, and no suitable redirect, so weak delete for now. If anything else is found ping and I'll reconsider. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brighton Chipungu

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tinashe Nenhunzi

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Lugstub that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leonel Pérez (footballer)

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It seems his main claim to fame is playing 23 mins in the Mexican second tier many years ago. The best source that I can find is Informador, which is simply a match report that mentions him scoring a goal in a cup match. I can't find anything towards WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:47, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Laguna

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Extremely poorly sourced and doesn't show evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. My own searches yielded Info7, Medio Tiempo and Diario de Morelos but these are just squad list mentions and don't show WP:SIGCOV of Laguna. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Armel Oroko

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Fails WP:GNG. I found passing mentions but nothing close to WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rob DesLauriers

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I Would like to nominate this for deletion because i can't find any reliable sourcing that is significant coverage, other than mentioned when his wife became the first woman to climb Mount Everest. 🍪 CookieMonster 01:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eliana Gropman

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Fails WP:NSKATE: has neither won a medal at a senior-level international event, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristoffer Jørgensen

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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. He played only a few matches at the professional level, and the only source used does not confirm his notability. Just WP:NOTJUSTYET, but maybe he deserves an article in a few months or rather years. FromCzech (talk) 07:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Neudecker

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has he won the U.S. national championships at the senior level. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nica Digerness

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a medal at an international competition, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Otterbeen

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A Lugnuts stub, this was created at Claude Otterbeen and then moved to Joseph Otterbeen; one of the sources refers to a Claude and the other a Joseph with no explanation, though it seems unlikely these are two different Otterbeens running the 3000m in the 1920s Olymics. The best source is the one-paragraph obituary and the rest are databases, I haven't been able to find better and even his name is unclear. Rusalkii (talk) 01:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The SR piece is outdated (became Olympedia, which has since updated to reflect that the Olympian was actually named Joseph) – also note that the Nederlands Wikipedia has some more text and lists a bunch of offline sources, including some that specifically seem to be about him (being mentioned in the title). BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep based on the sources from the Dutch Wikipedia. Remember that per WP:NEXISTS we only have to show that sources exist, we don't actually have to have physical or electronic access to them to keep the article. We know that these sources exist, even though I don't have access to the Dutch media, we can find someone who does to help improve the article:
  • "Beroepsloopen - Over onze vervlogen Olympische droom. Jos. Otterbeen verdwijnt uit onze sport". Sportwereld. 4 March 1925.
  • "Athletiek". Sportwereld. 18 July 1920.
  • "Voetloopen - Ronde van Brugge". Sportwereld. 17 October 1919.
Thanks, --Habst (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean Keep per Habst. The offline sources appear to be likely to have significant coverage, especially the 1925 Sportwereld piece which features him in the title (it seems to be translated, "Our shattered Olympic dream: Otterbeen disappears from our sport"). BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Even if the Sportwereld sources above were all SIGCOV, that would count as one source, while GNG needs more. If we actually knew that those sources were SIGCOV we would at least have SPORTCRIT and could potentially delay deletion based on that, but without access we have zero evidence they offer anything beyond routine coverage (and we are explicitly discouraged from assuming anything from headlines). NEXISTS requires the sources to be SIGCOV if they're supposed to contribute to notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's a point when...this is just ridiculous. How the heck, then, are we supposed to determine notability for subjects whom we have no access to sources from their time period? Its ridiculous if knowing there's articles featuring and focusing on them is not enough when there's no way to access any sources from that time period! Common sense would indicate that if a newspaper has a title mentioning someone in such a high light (seems to be saying that the Olympic dreams for the region the paper covers are shattered due to this athlete retiring) in a title of that sort that it would be sigcov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Strike that; remembered that Otterbeen is from Belgium, and the discussion on Georges Demulder mentioned a Belgian newspaper archive. There's over 150 matches for his name here but none are accessible without registration (not sure how to do that personally). @Gidonb: At the Demulder discussion it sounded like you were able to get access to that source. Can you tell if any of the results for Otterbeen are sigcov? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JoelleJay, thanks for your response.
    Even if the Sportwereld sources above were all SIGCOV – We know for sure they are WP:SIGCOV, we don't have to assume based on titles or otherwise, because we can read the facts cited to them on the Dutch Wikipedia. The sources speak to Otterbeen's intentions ("Otterbeen was originally a professional runner, but with a view to participating in the Antwerp Olympics, he joined the amateurs..."), we know that it would be impossible to read someone's intentions from just a database or results listing. So, based on the reading of WP:SPORTCRIT cited above, we are obligated to delay deletion.
    Thanks to @BeanieFan11's great research, I created an account on Belgica Press and retrieved the 150 matches. For example, look at page 3, top right corner here for some coverage (you shouldn't need an account to view this): [18]. Or see right hand side of page 3 here: [19] I don't know the language, but there are hundreds of matches for Otterbeen's name and I can see many more of them in prose. Would you consider changing your vote to at least "delay deletion" based on this evidence, as your reading of the policy would obligate us to do? --Habst (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not know it is IRS SIGCOV because we do not know whether the facts are being relayed through secondary analysis by independent journalists or if they are coming from non-independent, primary quotes. JoelleJay (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JoelleJay, thanks, we do know that it is WP:IRS because it comes from a newspaper, Sportwereld, which has an editorial team and it is not sourced to an advertisement. We also know that the facts aren't coming from quotes, because in the Dutch Wikipedia they don't say that Otterbeen "was quoted" or similar, they simply state the facts as relayed through the journalists. If they were being sourced from quotes, we'd expect wording such as "Otterbeen said" on nlwiki or even an inclusion of the quote. Because that isn't there, we know that it's SIGCOV, obligating us to at least delay deletion.
    As proof of this, I found the actual cited article here (click the 4th page at the bottom, middle left hand side of the page):
    You can see by reading the article, Otterbeen is not merely quoted, but there is substantial analysis by secondary independent journalists done on the subject. Based on this, could you please change your vote to delay deletion as obligated by SPORTCRIT, or keep if you think that the multiple sources provided and shown to have existed are sufficient to establish notability?
    Thank you, --Habst (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That indeed looks like non-trivial coverage so I will strike my !vote. However, just because something comes from a newspaper does not mean it is IRS! PR notices, specials to the paper, etc. do not get labeled as "advertisements". And certainly we cannot assume Dutch wikipedia would attribute as a quote every single fact about the guy that was sourced to a quote (by him or anyone else). We know that editors routinely state basic info derived from quotations as fact. JoelleJay (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JoelleJay, thank you for striking your vote. I appreciate your point of view. In this case, I think we did know it was not sourced to a PR notice or paper special, because the title and contents were known and I can't think of any way that combination could have been part of anything but a standard news article in context. The editor @Akadunzio has a great reputation with over 37,000 edits and 14 years of experience, so I think it would have been stated as such if facts were obtained only from quotes. Now with hindsight, we know that the facts were not obtained from quotes anyways, because we have the full article text and it contains enough non-quote information. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 20:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - thanks to much work by Habst (and agreement with Beaniefan11's exasperation). Ingratis (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • As nom, withdraw my nomination per alternative language sources (which I really should have remembered to check) and Habst's research. Rusalkii (talk) 19:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Sage

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Non notable person cites IMDB amoung other questionalbe sources, personal life lists him as part of other nonnotable things Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Not notable for anything tennis related. As an actor or cover band artist others will need to make that determination. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Nothing stated in the article is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass WP:GNG on much better sourcing than has been shown. The only GNG-worthy referencing shown here is human-interest coverage of the "local guy does stuff" variety in the local media of the area where he lives, which isn't enough by itself if he has nothing more nationalized — and otherwise the rest of the article is referenced to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – secondary coverage is WP:ROUTINE (they seem to be stories of the "brief, often light and amusing" variety discussed at that guideline). A Google search turns up no additional resources to build up the article. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ankit Singh (race car driver)

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Cannot find anything notable about the individual. His racing stats are certainly not notable.

I am not sure what the "North American Grand Prix Championship held in Las Vegas" is referring to (ie. series, class, car). Also the "Fastest Lap Time Award at Daytona Beach, Florida" may be true but is most likely in a certain type of car which is not notable.

Ultimately I believe it fails SIGCOV lacks strong reliable sources. Grahaml35 (talk) 20:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as likely hoax. Basically can't corroborate any of the claims in the article or sources; vastly overrepresented at best, just made up at worst. Claimed racing achievements aren't reflected in any racing press, as suggested by GhostOfDanGurney. The cryptography algorithm claims aren't reflected in any academic sources. The "brain-computer interface" claim is likely this obscure conference proceeding paper. [20] ~ A412 talk! 19:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Fails WP:N. The subject does not seem to have done anything significant and worthy of notice enough to deserve wide attention as technology profession or as race car driver. He is said to be winner of the 2016 Grand Prix. There is no official grand prix site that has him listed as a winner. I do not find any coverage about the race. If he won a grand prix, it does not seem the race was notable. RangersRus (talk) 12:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prabath Ruwan

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The subject of the article doesn't appear to meet GNG. This player made a single international appearance and played domestically in Sri Lanka. The article is sourced only to a database. I can find some articles mentioning his name in passing but I see no significant coverage. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 13:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Casiano Mba

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Fails WP:GNG. I was unable to find anything remotely resembling WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rodney Mupfudza

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Cricketer BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest thing to WP:SIGCOV that I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from "Women". Geschichte (talk) 22:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then I now support delete. That article explains that he isn't a T20I player anymore, and probably explains why there's not much coverage of him, as he was really just playing for a Zimbabwe B team there. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete the matches played by Zimbabwe have been stripped of T20I status, so he is no longer a T20I player (redirect doesn't apply therefore). Couldn't find any substantial coverage about the player, fails both WP:NCRIC and WP:GNG. RoboCric Let's chat 15:39, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megan Wessenberg

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Fails WP:NSKATE; has neither won a senior-level medal at any international competition, nor has won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - I'm not seeing the sustained and substantial coverage in independent reliable sources needed to meet the inclusion criteria. JMWt (talk) 09:50, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laiken Lockley

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Fails WP:NSKATE; no medals won at any international competition, nor has she won the U.S. national championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • WP:NSKATE doesn't provide an automatic notability anyway, it says Significant coverage is likely to exist, which means that it might not exist. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, seems like she may become notable in the future BrigadierG (talk) 18:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as WP:TOOSOON, she hasn't yet made enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Given this article has had very few substantial updates since 2020, I don't see a reason to move it to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding space. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naushad Iqbal

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The subject doesn't meet WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG in absence of any significant and independent coverage about the player. Fails WP:NCRIC either, as he doesn't have participation in any of the matches listed in WP:OFFCRIC. Previously, it was soft deleted through AFD, but has again been created. RoboCric Let's chat 14:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mariusz Latkowski

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Despite having achieved two medals, I couldn't find enough significant coverage of this bobsleigh athlete that would meet WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Everything that came up in my searches are brief mentions (TVP Sport and Wrocław Naszemiasto), as well as silly, random namesakes. Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia article has been tagged for not having sources except external links for 14 years; no major edits since 2022. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 10:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2020/21 in 60 metres

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Wikipedia is not a statistics database. It seems entirely random to list the top 50 in a given event, with an international final only consisting of 8 or 9 competitors, whereas the wider field reaching as far down as top 50 are never talked about as an interconnected group. Why not top 25? Or top 100? Category:Year rankings in athletics is still a fledgling project, so it's time to nip it in the bud. Geschichte (talk) 21:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The top two or three 60 metres sprinters in any given year are very frequently talked about as a group, as the 60 metres is the marquee event of indoor athletics – by far the most popular and documented event as the shortest in all of athletics. It's also important because it's covered as a bellwether for the outdoor season, as proven by the fact that leading the 2021 60 m was arguably Marcel Jacobs' biggest accomplishment before winning the 2021 Olympic 100 m title later that year. Despite there being no World Athletics Indoor Championships in 2021, there was still a men's and women's European Championship, a NCAA Championship and an entire indoor World Tour that had many world class men's and women's 60 m races. Here are some relevant articles focusing on the 60m during that season:
Most importantly, Category:Year rankings in athletics articles serve an important structural need as they are linked to for context in Category:Events at athletics (track and field) competitions, for example see the link from "World Leading" at this page. They are also useful to be linked to in the "season's bests" sections of Category:Events in track and field articles.
Thanks, --Habst (talk) 00:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Reply Individual competitions being covered or Marcell Jacobs performing well do not lend relevance to a list of unrelated performers. This is a list and therefore the athletes in it have to be covered as a group, otherwise it fails WP:NOT. Habst provides no policy-based reason to keep the article, and instead showcases the same synthesizing reasoning as at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2015 World Youth Championships in Athletics – Boys' javelin throw: A medium wrote about the world ranking once, therefore Wikipedia must list a large portion of the world ranking. Geschichte (talk) 08:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Geschichte, I really appreciate and in fact agree with your arguments about the top 50 being unwarranted. But again, while that is a good reason for limiting the scope of the article that isn't a valid reason for deletion under P&G. None of the articles I linked mention world ranking, nor does this article; the world ranking is different than the event as a whole in that year.
    Looking at WP:NOT, I think you're referring to WP:NOTCATALOG prong 2, which specifically carves out, Wikipedia also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. WP:NOT doesn't say anything about lists having to be covered as a group (the word "group" only appears 4 times on that page in other contexts). I think the more relevant policy is WP:NLIST, which specifically says Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability, and I discussed the navigational/informational aids (in world lead lists and event lists) above. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 12:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Limiting the scope of the article". What article? There is no article here, just two statistical lists swiped from WA. WP:NOTSTATS applies, and as a list its informational purposes run afoul of WP:SYNTH. Yes, athletics fans understand them and can interpret them, which is why several statistic websites, including the article's only sources, provide year lists just fine. Geschichte (talk) 12:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Geschichte, I understand you're being sarcastic, but of course it is a list article because it contains a list. The fact that it's unexplained per WP:NOTSTATS means that we should explain it; this is only an argument for deletion if you think that it's impossible to reasonably explain the subject.
    WP:SYNTH does not apply here, taking the two main points:
    • Does it combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source? No, the article doesn't reach any "conclusion" not stated by sources.
    • Does it combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source? No, same reasoning.
    The important policy point here for WP:NLIST is the navigational and informational aid, as when someone goes to the 2021 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Men's 60 metres page, it's helpful to click the "world lead" button and see the landscape of the 60 metres in that year leading in to the competition.
    Also, I think that your argument (which, to be fair, I fully agree with except for I don't think it is a reason for deletion) applies to all 72 pages in Category:Year rankings in athletics. Can you edit the nomination to include them all, so we won't have to re-hash this conversation 71 other times in the future? Thanks, --Habst (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:ATD: Move to Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics/Tasks/Top 60 athletes (2020-2021) as the red-link lists are helpful for editors, similar to existing project-space pages like Wikipedia:WikiProject Athletics/Tasks/Top 10 athletes (2015). --Habst (talk) 13:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. This consists mainly of text lifted from another source, and as such it may violate copyright. In any case, why limit it to 2020/21? Are no more recent data available? Athel cb (talk) 10:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Athel cb, the reason why it is limited to 2020–21 is because the 60 metres international yearly circuit is primarily contested from December to March (i.e. overlapping two calendar years). For an overview of all years, you can just click on the 60 metres page but this is limited to just one season of competition. For example 2020–21 NFL playoffs is limited to just one season of the NFL Playoffs while NFL playoffs covers all seasons.
    Understanding this, what do you think? Also, to address your copyright concerns, we can limit the list in size and make the article primarily about the international medalists that year, i.e. discuss this race, this race, this 60 m race, this one, and these 60 m races and make it less about just one list. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 16:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So far as your first paragraph is concerned, OK. So far as the second is concerned I think you need to do more to avoid copyright violation. Athel cb (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Athel cb, I don't want to derail the conversation too much but my understanding is that simple lists of sports results (in this case, names and times) without any element of creative curation (the times are simply listed from fastest to slowest with no advanced analysis done) is not copyrightable in the U.S., not falling into any of the categories here (source). FWIW, there is actually an identical list independently compiled on WP:Tilastopaja here so it's not like this data is unique to World Athletics. Simply Googling each name and time in quotes shows that most entries have associated news coverage about them, so it wouldn't be too difficult to add a cite for each row. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 17:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For example, there are large tables of information in articles like Athletics at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's decathlon, but I don't think the Wikipedia community considers this a copyright violation because it's simply a list of sporting results, as long as our prose-based analysis is not copied. --Habst (talk) 17:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL

Lists of starting quarterbacks in the XFL (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this is not a grouping discussed in secondary sources. I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Let'srun (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also a courtesy ping to @BeanieFan11, who removed the initial PROD. Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun: I found some lists of the quarterbacks in the league, but not specifically for starting quarterbacks. Care to share the lists you found? If there is sufficient sourcing to establish notability for a list of XFL quarterbacks, but not specifically the starting quarterbacks, then perhaps this could be a "keep and move" situation to something like List of XFL quarterbacks. Left guide (talk) 00:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found the same one you did. Let'srun (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll also note that, within the context of other articles about the league, that there is substantial information about starting quarterbacks' roles. Going back to 2020, there was a lot of reporting on starting QB salary being higher than other position players, which in and of itself establishes notability. I'll add that one to the article and others. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as currently structured due to complete lack of sourcing, ergo no establishment of notability and possible listcruft. In theory, going through individual quarterbacks' articles alone, there is enough material and sourcing to justify a list article—but I would prefer, given the structure of the UFL, that if such sourcing is established, that it be merged into its USFL counterpart, given that it is a historical list (see also: Timeline of the XFL and USFL) and that now-defunct teams be included as Former USFL and XFL teams in a separate section. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I have made some revisions to the article to make the lede more relevant to the XFL in particular in hopes of establishing notability and withdraw my vote to delete. My suggestion to merge remains. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL. Cards84664 01:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If we don't have sources for this group, it should not exist as a standalone list, nor should should it be merged elsewhere.
JoelleJay (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources have been added to establish notability so that issue has been addressed. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where? I see sources for some individual entries, but nothing treating the list topic as a group. JoelleJay (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Individual articles discussing within the context of being a starting quarterback in the XFL/UFL. Individual articles discussing the relevance and importance of the position (especially in regard to salary). That crosses into GNG territory and no longer qualifies the topic for deletion.
If one must rise to the order of picking nits over subject focus of sources, it likely does not rise to the level where deletion would be warranted. That said, restructuring of the artlcle if/when the merger is proposed, I would like to see it trimmed to a comparable standard as the NFL starting quarterback in that the current/most recent example is the only one that needs to be listed, as there likely is nowhere near enough sourcing—at least anything rising beyond ROUTINE coverage—to warrant such listcruft. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you are describing is an article on the starting QB position in the XFL, not a list of them. To qualify for NLIST, that topic must have GNG coverage. JoelleJay (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: There are these two sources treating XFL quarterbacks as a group, (one of which is referenced in this article) but I don't know if it's enough to establish notability. At a minimum, it should qualify for a merge though. Left guide (talk) 02:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first of those is about XFL starting QBs as a position, not a list of individual QBs; in fact it only mentions one player. The second is not an independent source as ESPN has a broadcast contract with the XFL and therefore has a strong financial incentive to cover the league. The article is also not on starting QBs, so its coverage is irrelevant anyway. JoelleJay (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as the discussion seems to be ongoing between those editors arguing for Delete and those advocating a Merge. I'll just add that I assume the proposed Merge target article is Lists of starting quarterbacks in the USFL as there is no article at Lists of starting quarterbacks in the UFL page title.
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@Liz: The XFL and USFL themselves are merging into a new UFL league, hence the intended merge target. Cards84664 16:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A new merge target has to be created first, regardless of the fact that the leagues have merged. I still oppose a merge since I don't see the sourcing needed to support it. Let'srun (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cards84664, I didn't say that the subject didn't exist, just that the article didn't exist. We can't merge this article into a nonexistent page. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting for either delete or better merge target consensus.
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That sounds too complicated for an AFD closure. That is something that can be handled if this article is Kept. Liz Read! Talk! 07:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Houbeib

Hassan Houbeib (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep A regular national team player who plays in a league that gets pretty much zero regular coverage. He has no chance of SIGCOV even though he is clearly notable for Mauritanian football. Anwegmann (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Zero regular coverage" and "no chance", you mean coverage in English, right? I wouldn't know how to conduct a meaningful search in his alphabet, but he featured at the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations just a month ago. Geschichte (talk) 08:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His appearance at 2024 AFCON speaks to my point, I think. The Mauritanian and Iraqi leagues don't receive much coverage from trustworthy media sources—French, English, or Arabic—and individual Mauritanian players in the local league and more "obscure," for lack of a better word, leagues receive even less. My point is that a strict interpretation of WP:SIGCOV, without taking larger context and performance into account, skews coverage on Wikipedia away from non-Western players, venturing into WP:BIAS territory. Because Houbeib has appeared more than a dozen times for a national team and appeared in a major continental tournament recently that was broadcast around the world, to me, his notability is established. Would I like to see more significant coverage in classical media sources? Yes, of course. But in this case, I don't think it's required to keep the article. This isn't a third-division semi-pro player who represented his country once at under-19 level. This is a regular player for a national team that qualified for and played in a continental tournament. Anwegmann (talk) 16:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was just made aware of this AfD in another discussion circling around the possibility of inherent notability due to national team caps. If anything, this provides some precedent for what I'm saying. I acknowledge, though, that 15 national team caps is a bit low for inherent notability, given the precedent established in the linked AfD. That said, though, appearance in the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations reasonably adds to this player's notability. I would be willing to change my vote to "draftify" if we can reach some kind of consensus about this. Anwegmann (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify: the cap tally is now 21. I also believe that we are now far, far into WP:BIAS territory. There is a difference between a performing team like Mauritania and insignificant countries (within football) such as Belize and Nepal. But, alas: sources. Geschichte (talk) 08:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although I don't fully agree that there is a difference between national teams, as they each have fundamental value in world football, I agree with your sentiment and overall point here. Houbeib continues to appear for a national team that recently performed in a continental tournament. This is well into the realm of WP:BIAS. Anwegmann (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - He has international caps therefore he is undoubtedly notable. IJA (talk) 10:40, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which guideline states this? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, if even the editors advocating to keep this article acknowledge there is not and will not be IRS SIGCOV then clearly a standalone article is not warranted. JoelleJay (talk) 19:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Strong keep - coverage found here (signing), here (signing), here (contract extension), and probably many more Arabic-language sources. All I did was search the player's Arabic name (الحسن سالم احويبيب) and some immediate results came back. I can't read or understand Arabic so my search ended after these three articles— but I'm sure there's way more. Then, we need to consider that the bar for Mauritanian footballers' coverage is lower than for Western players, as there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general. Lastly, this guy has made 20+ caps for a prominent African national team, and has competed at a MAJOR tournament. The evidence of coverage existing, the threshold being at a certain level, and the prominence of the player all bring me to the conclusion that article needs to be kept & improved. I'd even suggest a page move to fix currently incorrect page title. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @GiantSnowman and The Herald: Sources found. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should ping JoelleJay. I simply relisted. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources are the definition of routine, trivial transactional coverage, not to mention non-independent since almost everything in them is quoted from the club. And the first two are essentially identical! Why would you link to those sources as evidence of SIGCOV if you didn't even read them?? JoelleJay (talk) 01:47, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that these sources don't appear enough. GiantSnowman 19:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman and JoelleJay: Y'all have your bar set way too high for coverage of this player. You must remember that the subject is a Mauritanian footballer—not English, German, but Mauritanian. Also, playing at a major tournament like AFCON definitely means that Arabic-language sources exist... deleting this article would start a slippery slope in which hundreds non-Western articles would get deleted simply due to a lack of easily-findable coverage by editors that exclusively use Latin-alphabet keyboards. Take some time to do a proper Arabic-language search instead of bashing this article and not giving it much thought.
In my opinion, the surface-level presence of Arabic-language sources shows that relative to the depth of all coverage of Mauritania-related topics, this player has some kind of notability. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even more digging shows plenty of stuff about him popping up. this, this, and notably this. Yes, there is a routine feel to the coverage, but there's just a point where you have to understand that the bar is not as high as it would be for a player playing in Western Europe. The fact that there's just this many articles on a relatively obscure Mauritanian footballer says something. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is deleted, we could probably delete 50% of all articles about footballers from Arabic-language countries where media coverage is harder to find. That's not a good thing. I understand there are deletionists, but this isn't an article that should be deleted, especially considering how prominent this player is in African football. (Yes, competing at two AFCONs is quite prominent, I think). Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that there is just naturally more media coverage of sports in Western countries in general is literally why more athletes from Western countries are notable. If a subject doesn't get IRS SIGCOV then by definition it is not notable! What you are arguing is for us to reinstate presumptions of coverage--or even inherent notability--based on the subject reaching some arbitrary, subjective level of achievement, but such presumptions have been repeatedly and near-unanimously rejected.
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 54#Renewed proposal for association football (soccer)
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 55#Should we soften the phrase "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources."?
Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 52#Proposed Notability criteria track and field athletes (see WP:NTRACK) The community has rejected participation-based notability criteria even when a single appearance in some league or tournament empirically predicts SIGCOV 100% of the time; there is thus 0% chance of us accepting any criterion whose SIGCOV predictive power isn't supported by any evidence at all. JoelleJay (talk) 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 2022 RfC made it clear the requirement for SPORTCRIT SIGCOV applies to all athletes, regardless of location or time. We do not change our bar for coverage based on where the subject is from. Conferring notability to some geographical subset of subjects via the exact same routine, trivial, and non-independent sources we dismiss for subjects everywhere else in the world is patronizing and would only encourage applying those same standards to progressively less encyclopedic tiers of Western subjects. And presuming actual SIGCOV does exist based only on the presence of such low-quality non-GNG sources is exactly what was deprecated through wide consensus two years ago.
The 4th source you link is identical to source #3, #5 is trivial coverage of the same topic, and literally the only secondary independent coverage of Houbeib in #6 is Al-Zawraa player, Mauritanian Al-Hassan Ahouibib, joined the team's training today, Monday, after the end of his vacation, which was granted to him with the cancellation of last season. The rest is taken directly from the club. This is the case for all of the sources you've linked: a couple sentences of routine transactional announcements interspersed with "the club said [blahblahblah]" and more general updates on the club as a whole. JoelleJay (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you think this article aught to be deleted, I urge you to start nominating every single other similar player article that has "less" notability than this guy. You'll find that there's much more coverage of this guy than some other players who survived AfD in the past or that have articles that happen to exist despite probably failing GNG/SPORTCRIT. I stand firmly in my belief that we're being too harsh here and that the coverage is enough. Also, how did you brush by these sentences?
1. Al-Hassan Ahwaibib is considered one of the reasons for the strength of Al-Zawraa’s defense during the past season, due to its consistent level during the tournament.
2.Huwaibib plays as a libero. He played great matches with Al-Zawraa last season, and succeeded in convincing coach Ayoub Odisho to renew with the team and lead the defense line...
These seem like notable secondary independent coverage of the subject. That's three different sources offering secondary coverage. Who says there isn't more? I can't properly do an Arabic-language search and this is what I found easily. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]