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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:09, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Intellectual clubs

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Too vague a grouping -- no sources that use this term. Everything from a Book discussion club to European Mathematical Society to Mensa International could vaguely fall in this grouping. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify. Article is very new and has promise, although I agree it's not ready for mainspace at the moment. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. The creator stated "I did not mean this article will be a 'complete' one. It is meant to be a stub that will be edited and 'perfected' by other Wikipedians." on the talk page when they disputed the speedy. I'm not against draftifying but it doesn't sound like they have a lot of interest in improving it. Paisarepa (talk) 00:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify as per User: AleatoryPonderings but with the caveat that the creator of the article (or others) be given a 60 day limit to improve the article. If it is not improved, delete it.Knox490 (talk) 01:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's the thing - I have no idea what is meant by 'intellectual club.' Learned society has a set definition, while this appears to be one user's personal views. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 19:14, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Draftify and move to 'List of intellectual clubs.' Needs a lot of work, primarily providing sources on what is considered an 'intellectual club.' Even with that, it is clear that this is meant to primarily serve as a list of clubs as opposed to an in-depth look at the nature of intellectual clubs as a group. I say 'delete' because right now it reads like the editor's personal views on intellectual clubs and there is no indication that there is an accepted definition. Anything starting with 'Throughout history, ' sounds like a personal essay. To have a list, we need unassociated sources that provide the defining characteristic of the list - we cannot use synthesis and original research to make a list of what we consider to be an 'intellectual club', such as we cannot make a list of 'Fashionable brands' or something of that sort. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 19:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 07:18, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020–21 Aberystwyth Town F.C. season

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Club season article for a semi-professional league, so fails WP:NSEASONS. Number 57 22:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. All "keep" opinions are by accounts with less than 100 edits, suggesting shenanigans. Sandstein 10:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Appy Pie

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Classic spam, fails WP:NCORP. There's a ton of references, but most of them look like routine coverage, press releases, etc that don't meet WP:SIRS. The editing history is largely a sequence of throw-away WP:UPE accounts. It's not quite bad enough for WP:G11. There's a bunch of copyvios as seen in the earwig report, but not quite bad enough for WP:G12. In theory, I could cut them out, but it would leave a jumbled mess, and I can't see investing the effort to re-write this. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete As per nom and noted in the previous AFD (which was closed to DEL, btw - so I'm not sure how the article has somehow resurfaced(?) or has been recreated by throw-away accounts (?), the subject appears to fail WP:NCORP as almost of the sources are generated from either press releases, contributors (with no editorial integrity), and some are just outright 404. --Infogapp1 (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Interesting software but Fail WP:GNG.Charmk (talk) 04:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Merge - I think this article is notable, though I recognize it could be seen as spam, in which case a merge would be appropriate with AppMakr. I've found these articles (12) and the page can be updated accordingly. Vivekpegasus (talk) 08:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep currently there are a lot of citations easily passing WP:GNG could be a case of objections per nom but as per sources it passes GNG "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."JK.Kite (talk) 07:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is still possible to improve the article in order to be more compliant to the editorial standards of Wikipedia if it is not, or at least to the editorial preferences of Wikipedia editors. The subject is notable and directly contributes to its field of subject, so deletion must only proceed if it is definitely impossible to improve the existing article. MacPoli1 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC+8)
  • Delete - fails WP:NCORP Dr. Vetter (talk) 01:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is still improving and surely they will rectify there mistake and follow the policies 49.206.34.144 (talk) 11:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC) (talk) 05:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete : Based on the edit history on the page, there are multiple socks trying to add content to the article. Fails notability for Corporations. Likely a scam. AngusMEOW (chatter • paw trail) 12:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The rest is silence. Sandstein 10:18, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hamlet, Missouri

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State historical society suggests it was likely just a store, and refers to it as "a small trading point", whatever that means. Not on the relevant 1886 topo. Not seeing it on the 1939 topo either (it's gonna be embarassing if I'm just overlooking it). Also not on the 1954 large-scale topo. Not on the 2017 topo. Google maps brings up farmland. No evidence this was any more than a country store, and the fact that it isn't appearing on topos is telling. The GNIS entry is sourced to the state historical society papers, which the online version [1] doesn't explicitly state this was a town, referring only to a store at the site. Apparently was formerly known as Sexson, but it's not appearing on the topos under that name, either. Hog Farm Bacon 21:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. Newly added citations establish notability (non-admin closure) Donaldd23 (talk) 13:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kal: Yesterday and Tomorrow

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Non notable film with nothing to support it having its own article. Sourced only to non-WP:RS IMDb, a WP:BEFORE search turned up nothing better. Tagged for notability for 8 years. Donaldd23 (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 21:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bunzili River

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This was prodded, but I think more eyes on it would be beneficial. I can't find any evidence of even existence. The map pin points to the Kwilu river where it joins the Kwango at Bandundu, just as Bunzili is supposed to do. However, a few sources mention a place called Bunzili which is about 10 miles upriver according to gmaps. It is possible that Bunzili is a local name for Kwilu so a redirect might be in order, although I haven't been able to establish anything definite. SpinningSpark 21:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kathir News

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Couldn't find reliable sources, writing about this news website. Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment previous deletion discussion ended with the nominator withdrawing his nomination. However, no trusted sources were provided in the discussion to support website's notability. --Bbarmadillo (talk) 20:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The notability of this organization (per WP:GNG) was not adequately demonstrated. Consensus is to delete. ‑Scottywong| [yak] || 03:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Smile Foundation

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Does not meet WP:ORG. The sources are all routine announcements, name drops, or comments from those associated with this organization. At least one of the sources doesn't even mention this organization at all("Cochlear implant surgery....") These things do not establish notability, and I could not find significant coverage. This article just tells about what the organization does and does not summarize any significant coverage as articles should. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: I don't find E-learning and Training of Underprivileged youth name-drops of the superficial kind. This venture is in 26 states helping children. Lot of community service happening here. Whiteguru (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Whiteguru Wikipedia is not for telling the world about good works. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Smile Foundation is one of the most prominent non-profit organizations in Asia[2] as well as one of the biggest NGOs in India which reaches 15,00,000 children and families annually and runs 400 live welfare projects on education, healthcare, livelihood, and women empowerment, in over 2000 remote and rundown areas across 25 states of India. The foundation has thus far provided education to more than 2,00,000 children and has assisted hundreds of families affected by floods in different parts of the country. The purpose is not to show their good works but to show the significance of the subject. The foundation has been covered by various mainstream media nationally as well as internationally, including The Guardian, Businessworld, Mint (newspaper)[3][4][5][6] and there are more references available online.John shibo (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2020 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: John shibo (talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed. [reply]
The first(which you duplicated) and second sources you link here are brief mentions each with a with a quote from the founder of the organization; the last is based almost entirely on an interview with said founder. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should tag it for better sourcing rather than deleting as there are more sources available online.John shibo (talk) 13:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If those sources are like the ones you have already provided, they won't help. You say that you work for this organization; have you been tasked with editing its article? 331dot (talk) 14:02, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you read it right but I have not edited this page and have put all the changes that were to be made to its talk page only as per the guidelines. As for its sourcing, I am not an expert in identifying which sources would work and which would not but a Google search of it shows it being discussed in various leading publications.John shibo (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The organization is definitely notable. I did a quick google news search, and it and its work has been repeatedly been covered by major Indian national and regional dailies and magazines including The Hindu, Indian Express which are even in WP considered good RS. The organization is repeatedly mentioned in top list of charities to donate for any relief program by major news org. One can always argue that could be due to persistent marketing efforts by the NGO, but it definitely seems to have worked and its meets all the criteria on WP:NGO to be kept here on WP. If the issue is with WP:NPOV tone, then the article needs to be re-written and edited and not deleted. - Roller26 (talk) 12:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Roller26 Could you offer some of these sources? The ones I could find and in the article currently are not appropriate for establishing notability. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Some links within a year's time [7] [8] [9]. List of org to donate to or org's doing notable work [10] [11]. The NGO's data and studies are often regularly quoted by all media houses with proper references in their articles. Also a number of top Indian corporate houses often tie up with Smile for some charity drive. (Various articles about those too). -- Roller26 (talk) 15:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was aware of those sources, they amount to little more than press releases with a quote from an organization representative. They do not represent significant coverage and only suggest that any article about this organization would only serve to tell the world about the good work that they do. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
331dot, this research paper [12] studied organisational capacity component of the MFS II country evaluations with focus being Smile Foundation, India. This article [13] by a magazine published by Stanford University Center talks about NGO Leadership Development with giving significant coverage to Smile Foundation. Also the Foundation's own website [14] lists 890 print media coverage from 2003 to 15 April 2020. While I will agree most of them will not be significant, or published by reliable, secondary or independent sources, if in source assessment table all of them fail the notability test, I am all for deleting the article. -- Roller26 (talk) 15:05, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I Agree with Roller26 and other contributors. I would suggest, the article may be rewritten rather than deleting it. If we were to delete, we might as well consider many more articles in WP which are similar for deletion. What I would suggest is a rewrite or reference it with better sources. SaiP (talk) 13:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SaiP See other stuff exists. That other problematic articles have not been addressed does not mean this one shouldn't be. This article has been tagged as needing sources since April and COI editors have been here to promote the charity. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GSS, refer to the above sources that I linked, especially the research and the magazine article. -- Roller26 (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: References are general press releases. Thus, it does need better references, if not found I suggest to move this page to draft. It can be moved to main space after qualifying notability. I'll try to search for independent reliable sources and add them. -- Pratyush.shrivastava (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Spiderone, I am not sure what research you did before casting the !vote because certain editors arguments on the line of WP:ORGDEPTH are understandable, yours is not. In the above discussion itself, following references have been made 1. research paper 2. article by a magazine published by Stanford University Center 3. own website lists 890 print media coverage from 2003 to 15 April 2020. I hope you go through these and make a more reasoned !vote. Roller26 (talk) 14:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • To any reviewer; please keep in mind that at least one member of the organization seem to be contributing to this discussion and another user has said they were asked to come here. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Al Noor Hospitals

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I had added a PROD to the article on notability grounds that was removed by someone who thought the references were enough to make it notable. What it ultimately comes down to though is that all the references seem to be about an IPO, expansions, and the company merging with Mediclinic International. IPOs and mergers are extremely trivial topics though that could apply to any company and neither one passes the notability guidelines for companies, WP:NCORP, anyway. It's doubtful the sources even pass WP:GNG for that matter. Since most (or all) of them are either primary, trivial coverage, or dead links. I didn't find anything that was any better in a WP:BEFORE either. Therefore in my opinion this article should be deleted or as an alternative at least merged/redirected to Mediclinic International. Wikipedia isn't a news site or list of IPO evaluations. --Adamant1 (talk) 20:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I have added quite a bit of material to the article about this company which was the largest company in private healthcare in Abu Dhabi for over 20 years. I am sorry that Adamant1 does not feel my efforts were enough. This is the second article, that I wrote, in respect of a major company that Adamant1 has nominated for deletion. I am not sure what is going on here. Dormskirk (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What was the other article you created that I nominated? It seems that what's going on here is that your creating articles that don't meet the notability guidelines. You should probably yourself with WP:GNG and WP:NCORP so it doesn't unnecessarily happen again. Especially pay attention to WP:ORGDEPTH and what it considers trivial coverage when you do. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was AVI Global Trust, another major company with a long history. Al Noor Hospitals has had loads of coverage because of both because of its IPO and because of the hotly contested bidding battle. If this company is not notable, then I am not sure what company is. There is no point in writing articles on companies any longer - however much coverage they get they just get nominated for deletion! Dormskirk (talk) 00:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but IPO's and "hotly contested bidding battles" aren't notable on their own. No matter the coverage. You'd know that if you put your pretty obvious persecution complex in check, stopped writing useless messages, and read the notability guidelines. Which I didn't have anything to do with the creation of. If you put a tiny bit of effort into reading the guidelines you'd also know that plenty of companies are notable. Just not this one. It's not on me or anyone else that you rather waste everyone's time by whining about things instead. Like I said in my comment, if your that convicted that I'm targeting you with these AfDs and "attacking you" then feel free to report me. I could really care less, but I'm done dealing with you. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What an extraordinary and unnecessarily unpleasant message - just because I made the case that there are extremely good reasons why the article should not be deleted - whatever happened to no personal attacks? Dormskirk (talk) 08:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The part of the message about whining etc is mostly in response to the fact that your also going off on my talk page about this and accusing me of specifically targeting with the two AfDs just because you edited one of the articles a few times 8 years ago. Which is completely ridiculous. Your sitting here chiding me about no personal attacks while your the accusing me without evidence of intentional harassment. Not to mention in multiple venues. I'd fine with you making a guideline based argument about why both articles should be kept, but due to your unwillingness to do so and your continuing of a personal vendetta I stick by that it's whining and not productive to the AfD. More so because your still continuing it here it on my talk page after I told in both places that I was done with the discussion. You made your opinion clear in your first message, you were already WP:BLUDGEONing it a few messages back in both places, and I have every right to tell you so. I've been pretty reasonable about it. Especially on my talk page. So just drop it already. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I call bullshit on that. The Oxford Business Group article isn't even about the hospital, it's about the health insurance industry in Abu Dhabi, and the this company isn't even discussed in it. Except for two name drops when siting brief comments by it's CEO that aren't even about the company. There's nothing in-depth about it and it's just another attempt by you to pass off garbage sources as legitimate. The same probably goes for the article. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, it doesn't pass WP:HOSPITAL because it's a Wikiproject, not a guideline, and there's nothing to "pass" about it. I'm getting pretty sick of people using WP:HOSPITAL like it's authoritative on anything or a guideline. Hopefully your vote is ignored so as to not encourage the people doing it. --Adamant1 (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Hatchens meant WP:NHOSPITALS, which is a guideline. It's an easy mistake to make, and AGF applies. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Toughpigs, thanks for correcting me. - Hatchens (talk) 02:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, fair enough. Let the closing authority decide on that. A request, please be polite to everyone. We may have differences in our opinions but we have to show "compassion", "patience" and "good intent" to correct and share knowledge with others... exactly like Dormskirk and Toughpigs. - Hatchens (talk) 02:08, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hatchens, I agree about people being polite. That said, there's an ongoing debate in Wikipedia about the authority of Wikiprojects and their authority on things like this, or lack there of, and people routinely cite them in AfDs. So, it's not like it would have been unprecedented if that was what you were doing. Also, Toughpigs has spent the last month and a half attacking me repeatedly over way more mundane mistakes then yours and also just in general. So, he isn't someone that I care to listen to about assuming good faith, or about really anything. I don't think anyone else should listen to him about it either. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, calm down bro. If you have issues with anyone, then there are better ways to handle it. If that option fails, then please lodge a protest at WP:ANI. Bringing personal differences in an on-going AfD discussion actually disturbs the whole objective of having it in the first place. See, why I am telling you this because I myself have burnt my finger and learned by my own mistakes. And, one more thing, once you nominate an article, I would recommend not to indulge in further discussions as your reason for nominating should be more than enough to justify your stand. Let the discussion flow as per the Wikipedia guidelines and accept the outcome whatever it might be or else your approach can be easily qualified for WP:CANVAS. During my initial days, I myself got a warning for such approach at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dasman_Diabetes_Institute. Learn and evolve/And, don't get personal. (NOTE: I apologize to all for digressing from this AfD discussion, but I felt it's necessary to put my views across for everyone's benefit. Let peace and tranquility prevail). - Hatchens (talk) 03:46, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hatchens:, a few points WP:DISCUSSAFD says "AfDs are a place for rational discussion of whether an article is able to meet Wikipedia's article guidelines and policies." It also says "when an editor offers arguments or evidence that do not explain how the article meets/violates policy, they may only need a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion." It's ridiculous to say that the AfD nominators shouldn't involve themselves in that discussion or not give people reminders when their arguments aren't policy based. Ultimately, it has nothing to do with assuming good faith or not. Someone can cite a bad keep reason in good faith, and discussing things if they do has nothing to do with CANVASing or not accepting anything. It's just following the guidelines. Personally, I could really care less which way any AfD I'm involved in goes. As long the way it goes is based on the guidelines. That doesn't mean I'm not going to comment when someone railroads an AfD I opened though or votes keep based on bad reasoning. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adamant1, I'm glad you are following guidelines and asking others to do the same but at what cost? As per the guidelines, you are going totally opposite when its comes to being "constructive, on-topic discussion". You are bringing in the conflicts in this discussion from other AfDs. Bro, it's a free world. You can comment on whatever you feel deemed to be fit but at the same time, you need to maintain a decorum in the forum. Editors like Dormskirk and Toughpigs comes with an impeccable history of edits. If they can remain grounded, then, why not us? With an edit history like yours and mine, we are not at all authoritative when we compare ourselves with these two editors - out of which, one happens to be an admin. You should feel lucky, that the fellow has not reported you to WP:ANI yet. On the other hand, you have done more than a wonderful job when it comes to Wikipedia editing (as your edit history depicts). Don't let yourself get banned for behavioral reasons. We need editors like you who have a to nack to catch suspicious editing and paid pages. We need to stick together and act like a team. - Hatchens (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like there's zero cost to me. Anyway, ToughPig brought the conflict by citing WP:AGF to me when he knows he have a contentious history and could have just easily assumed good faith about my original comment. I'm not a fan of being the only one that should assume good faith, and he just as easily could shown me the same respect by not engaging me by siting the guideline when I wasn't doing anything. Also, who's right and wrong in AfD discussions isn't decided who has the "impeccable history of edits" or not or any other type of bona fides. It's 100% on the guideline based strength of the argument being made, and unfortunately ToughPigs just has an extremely midcore record when it comes to that. Which isn't on me. I'm not going to bend over backwards to be nice to someone who has attacked and railroaded me in AfDs repeatedly. I don't care how impeccable his edit is. You get what you give. Especially since when I reported a few other users to ANI for their verbal abuse I was told by multiple people, including him, that I was just being over sensitive and should just suck it up because getting attacked is just how things go in Wikipedia. I have zero respect for people that on the hand attack me, tell me I should deal with it I'm being verbally abused and stop being so sensitive about things, but then cite guidelines about assuming good faith when I take issue with something. That said, I acknowledge that me calling out ToughPigs probably isn't going to stop him from talking out of both sides of his neck. So, I'll give it a rest. Although, I'm just acting how everyone in ANI said people in Wikipedia act. So, a little consistency about things in general would be nice. Either personal attacks are par for the course or they aren't. I don't really care either way, but it's kind of mediocre that I'm getting called out for it when I was told to suck it up and deal with it when it was coming from other people. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I saw this listed at WP:MED/AA. It is not usual for an article about a hospital system serving about a million people to be nominated for deletion. While the article would benefit from a re-write, there is enough here to convince me that this healthcare system is notable. Notability is not temporary, so the fact that the company is now part of another company is irrelevant. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:34, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I never said the company wasn't notable just because it's part of another company. Good job miss quoting me and not actually addressing any of the points I made in the nomination though. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, I can be detailed: You say that all coverage of IPOs are defined as trivial coveragage in NCORP, which does not mention IPOs at all; you say that all coverage of expansions and mergers are defined as trivial coverage in NCORP, which actually says to ignore "standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage" of expansions and mergers, not to discount all such sources entirely; you say that "most (or all) of them are either primary, trivial coverage, or dead links", but (a) Reuters published about 300 words on them in this article, which is WP:SIGCOV, secondary, and independent, (b) The Financial Times wrote 400 words on them in this article, which is also SIGCOV, secondary, and independent, and incidentally calls them "The largest private healthcare provider in Abu Dhabi", which is another indication that the subject is notable; (c) dead links don't mean that the subject isn't notable, since the rule is 'written about', not 'written about online and easy to find in the first page of Google Search results'. By the way, a search in ProQuest for "Al Noor Hospitals" (quoted phrase) found more than two thousand full-text sources (2,258, to be exact) that mention this hospital system. I imagine that with more than two thousand sources available, we can find enough reliable information to write an article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, NCORP says trivial coverage includes "of a capital transaction, such as raised capital" and last time I checked that's the whole point in doing an IPO. Obviously CORP doesn't have to include every way a company can raise capital in minuet detail for it to qualify as trivial coverage. Just like it doesn't have to be explicit about crowd funding campaigns or specifically call every crowd founding platform out by name for them to be trivial topics. Otherwise if every specific way someone can raise capital has to be mentioned by name there would be zero point in even having the guideline. One of the articles about the IPO is even titled "Al Noor Hospitals IPO raises $342m" You can't legitimately claim that an article about them raising $342m isn't about raised capital. Also no where did I say to ignore all sources about expansions. Context matters though and the point was that it's routine/WP:MILL for a hospital group to more build hospitals. That's literally what they do and I'm certain is what's behind the spirit of the part of NCORP about it. There's absolutely nothing notable about "company that builds hospitals builds a hospital." Which is likely the reason why of the main sources about it is "Construction Weekly." BTW, I'm pretty sure there's a cavit somewhere in the notability guidelines about being careful about trade (or niche) magazines and the like. This isn't something like Apple selling iPhones in China after a twenty year battle to though. Again, it's about a company that builds hospitals building hospitals.
Also, I wasn't aware that "The Financial Times" opinion on who the top companies in the world were guaranteed said company an article (or really meant anything about notability). I'll have to add that to my repertoire <--Sarcasm. Lastly, about the dead links all I will say is that you know full well "keep because sources exists" isn't a good argument. While at the end of the day I could really give a crap if they are "dead", I do care if they qualify as WP:SIGCOV or not. Which can't be determined if they are dead. Sorry, but I don't feel like giving the COI SPA who created the article (or whatever probably COI editor added them later) the benefit of the doubt. Maybe if it wasn't an article about a company, which has a higher bar then some other subjects, and didn't have COI edits to it. Even if that wasn't the case though, as I've said repeatedly and everyone with any kind of integrity agrees with, this isn't just about the existance "sources." Otherwise, all of us would just be citing Twitter or Facebook repeatedly. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gregory McKelvey

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Was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gregory_McKelvey. Doesn't seem to be notable, and somewhat unsure why it still exists despite the last deletion. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:22, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cerro, California

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Durham identifies it as a locality along the Northwestern Pacific RR. Old topo maps show a railroad siding at the site and not much else. Only later is the area filled with suburbs, none of them are called Cerro. No indications that it was a community and nothing to indicate it was otherwise notable. Glendoremus (talk) 19:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interlanguage fossilization

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Every version since the start [15] of this article has been taken nearly verbatim from a PhD thesis (pp. 3–6). This is attributed at the bottom, and the copying is said to be with permission. The evidence for this permission is discussed on the talk page, and consists of a comment on the article creator's talk page [16] that the inclusion of the material has [the PhD author's] approval.

Per WP:COPYOTHERS, this is insufficient, as, even assuming good faith on the part of the article creator that they asked the PhD author, there is no evidence that the material has been licensed under a compatible licence (and not just, say that the author gave permission for just Wikipedia to use the material, which, as WP:DCM notes, would be insufficient). The creator hasn't edited since 2011, so can probably be assumed to be long gone from the project and unable to clarify, though I have notified them of this discussion.

In terms of WP:ATD, because every version of this article has the copyright problem, merging isn't an option, and I can't see an obvious redirect target (if redirected, I'd argue that the page history would need to be WP:REVDELled anyway, making this functionally equivalent). YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 19:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suna Pila Tike Screw Dhila

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Couldn't find any reliable sources/reviews. TamilMirchi (talk) 18:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 18:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Caterpillar Wish

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Non notable film, won an award which another editor claims isn't significant enough to remove the notability tag. I couldn't find much else in a search to help remove the tag...so let's let AfD do its job. If it passes, the tag goes. If it fails, the article goes. Thanks Donaldd23 (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Discussion of various unsourced stubs related to the company can continue elsewhere. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:32, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ESP Guitars

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Promotional article with few sources, all primary, and suspected to fail WP:GNG. According to Ficadimerda (talk · contribs), the entire Category:ESP electric guitars is a massive walled garden and they have prodded many, if not all, pages in that category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Cite to the publications and not sales pages please. The article as is needs to go. An article about this company is ok but we do not need new Wiki page for every guitar they ever make. Wikipedia is not the sales catalogue.Ficadimerda (talk) 03:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC) Also I did not propose deletion of this page, just all extra ESP guitar promo articles.Ficadimerda (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We do not delete articles based on what is not in the article per WP:NEXIST. We determine notability. You said, "...we do not need new Wiki page for every guitar they ever make". Tell that to the Fender Musical Instruments Corporation. - Fender Telecaster Fender Stratocaster, Fender Jazzmaster, Fender Jaguar, Fender Jazz Bass, Fender Bass VI and this only a few. Type Fender in your search bar and go through the alphabet Fender A... Fender B....Fender C... etc you will find hundreds. I know that is not a great argument per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but it is information. So I would be careful about prodding every product of the ESP Guitar Company. Lightburst (talk) 14:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fender article is well sourced and has more information than just product catalogue. Again I never asked to have ESP Guitars main article deleted. If individual products have own pages they should have third party reliable sourcing and that goes for Fender and any company too. Just because the company is notable does not mean every thing it ever made is worthy of new articles. Ficadimerda (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ficadimerda I hope you do WP:BEFORE for each product prior to AfDing all of them. What did you discover that made you prod every single ESP product? Surely some products are notable. Lightburst (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes probably some products are notable but from Wikipedia category it is impossible to know which is. If notability of every product in the category cannot be demonstrated surely it is best to have redirect to main ESP Guitars page until it can. Ficadimerda (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and WP:SNOW. Echo the other comments that the nomination is frivolous. The argument "suspected to fail WP:GNG" isn't credible, even the most basic web search shows significant coverage in reliable sources, such as this one: [26]. The nominator has been around long enough to know that they shouldn't propose deletion without even looking for sources showing notability, see WP:BEFORE. Regarding promotional or unsourced content, see WP:NOTCLEANUP and WP:FIXIT. There are dozens of musician and other general articles that link to it, so it's certainly not a walled garden. The existence of other stub articles about individual models is entirely irrelevant to the question of deleting the main article. --IamNotU (talk) 13:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I replied to the wrong person. I did not say anything about GNG and did not nominate this for deletion, only other pages in category. Ficadimerda (talk) 15:38, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody said that you did. I was talking about the nominator, LaundryPizza03. --IamNotU (talk) 15:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Someone has put a prod on almost every single product of the company as shown here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I did that. The pages do nothing to prove notability (maybe some not even real products). I never said anything about walled gardens and did not nominate this main article for deletion. Ficadimerda (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • information Note: Discussion of the individual instrument articles or their proposed deletion is off-topic. If there are problems with them, use the talk pages. This is not the right place to address them. Please keep discussion related to the ESP Guitars article. Thanks. --IamNotU (talk) 16:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay sorry my vote is Keep and fix ESP Guitars. Ficadimerda (talk) 16:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with User:IamNotU. It is distinctly 'on topic'. You are engaging in a mass deletion, and notice to interested editors is not only appropriate, but called for. You are doing this without notifying the interested editors. The light of day should shine upon your effort and expose it for all to see. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I looked a little but no editing in years of tags asking for source. Most articles in category have not even text, just product name. No third party sourcing at all. My only effort is to clean up. If products can be proven notable I don't mind articles. Ficadimerda (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously! The prods were mentioned in the nomination. Please take this to Talk:ESP Guitars#Guitar page deletion redux, this is not the correct venue for ongoing discussion about it. --IamNotU (talk) 16:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

National Positions

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Non notable SEO company. Fails WP:NCORP. Unreliable, WP:REFBOMBed sources. Some are deceptive too, such the first citation which looks like a HuffPost article but it's actually a HuffPost Contributers site, basically a blog (see listing below WP:HUFFPOST. Other citations are listings of hundreds of companies, etc. TryKid [dubious – discuss] 07:26, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 18:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Carolyn Seaman

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New page review: short BLP article sourced partly to the website of the organisation the subject founded. She has won an award and been listed as one of the 100 most inspiring women in Nigeria but for the moment I don't believe notability is established. Mccapra (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 17:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gayathri (Malayalam actress)

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Fails GNG and fails NACTOR. All roles are supporting, no lead role. Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 19:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| [verbalize] || 03:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hal Ritson

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A producer who appears to fail "WP:SINGER". There are hits in RS (e.g., [27]), but all I can find are either passing mentions or interviews. I'm sure some of his—apparently very many—productions have charted, but I'm skeptical that a producer without substantial independent coverage passes criteria 2–3 of WP:SINGER. Many people are involved in creating pop hits, so singling out a producer for an article when there's little coverage of him in particular seems unreasonable IMO. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Extraction (2020 film). Tone 17:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Only one significant role, meets neither WP:NACTOR nor WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 16:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Mill Creek (conservation area). czar 21:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Creek Falls, Narrows Virginia

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This waterfall does not appear to be notable enough for inclusion. It is a small waterfall in Virginia with no sources covering it. --IWI (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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A map was provided that shows the exact location of the three waterfalls, relative to one another. Shannon Bowling Shannonbowling (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree that this Waterfall is not notable, this is the exact reason that I created the page. As stated in the document, the dam was built in the 1780's and the creek served as a valuable resource for almost 200 years to a community. The creek and the waterfall have been featured in national commercials and is listed on many sites for hiking. After searching I have found many other waterfalls on Wikipedia that aren't any more "notable". Something doesn't have to be globally notable to be notable. It is notable to residents of the region and those visiting the region, especially those hiking the Appalachian Trail. Shannon Bowling Shannonbowling (talk) 15:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify. czar 21:25, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Unreleased film, which is no exception to the guidelines on unreleased films that they are seldom notable. Google search shows that the film exists in an unreleased form, and that it advertises and has had considerable advance publicity. We knew that it exists. Publishing a Wikipedia article at this time would simply facilitate the advance publicity effort, but Wikipedia is not for promotion.

The article does not have a description of the production or a plot summary. These would not make the article notable anyway, but the present article isn't encyclopedic (and won't be until the film is released).

Page has been created in both draft space and article space, so that the article cannot be moved to draft space. Recommend that the article be deleted and the draft left in draft space until the film is released. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Other pages do not matter in this discussion, especially since anyone can create a page! We are only talking about this article here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:28, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. The article does not establish its subject's notability – which is unsurprising, as the film hasn't been released yet. Once it's been released, reviews may establish notability. Maproom (talk) 19:48, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - As the nominator, I would concur with a close of Draftify, leaving the page in draft space until the film is released. At the time that I nominated it for deletion, the film was in both article space and draft space, but belonged in draft space. It was then deleted from draft space, probably because the originator mistakenly requested its deletion. The other mistake by the originator was in copying it into article space in the first place. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - User:ThatMontrealIP - You have made a comment above, but you haven't !voted. Did you forget to say to Delete, or were you just commenting? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would be OK with delete or draftify, since at the moment it does not seem to have the SIGCOV required for notability. Also, who knows what might happen between now and its release!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lamont Reese

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, and WP:CRIME. Inexpiable (talk) 15:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 17:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Birdsong, Missouri

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Another GNIS error. GNIS states that it is census coded as U6, but when you look up the census codes, U6 is equivalent to a "locality point", which also includes airports, post offices, and health care facilities, none of which would get the WP:GEOLAND free pass. State Historic Society calls it a post office next to someone's farm. Not on the 1886 topo. 1939 topo shows two buildings at a crossroads. By 1991, there's only one building here. Best Gbooks mention I can find is a namedrop. Fairly clear this was a minor fourth-class post office, and while the name stuck around locally, this was never the sort of legally recognized community that would pass WP:GEOLAND, and it fails WP:GNG as well. Hog Farm Bacon 15:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify. There is a general sense that the topic may be notable but should be rewritten/salvaged/or split before being mainspaced. Opinions differ on whether TNT and the like appliy here, but most people agree that it should not be in the mainspace as is. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Berber separatism in North Africa

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The article is complete nonsense masquerading as a real article while having both WP:SYNTH and WP:OR problems. Characterising normal anti-colonial wars/battles, normal political struggles and normal political protests as seperatism is pushing a far-fetched POV. I can't find in any of these sources a clear mention of "Berber separtist/separtism" or "It started to make an ethnonationalist Berber country", etc. Nothing just tribes fighting colonial forces or cultural activists protesting against their countries (for linguistic and cultural rights). The only separtist movement in this article is the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad who founded a short-lived state from 2012 to 2013. TheseusHeLl (talk) 05:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a massive content fork presenting 100 years of sporadic Berber rebellions against large numbers of different governments as some sort of grand struggle for Berber independence, clearly original research and synthesis. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or alternative possibility Split into three articles (while keeping Berber separatism in North Africa as short overview/disambiguation page or merging into Berberism) - though i'm also the author of this page, let's use logic to decide whether this is a "nonsense" or an actual topic, which is differing enough from Berberism to have its own page.
- Rif Conflict in French and modern Morocco By Riffian people (from 1920 Rif War up to modern to Hirak Rif Movement);
- Geographically sporadic Tuareg rebellions by nomad/semi-settled Tuareg people communities across most North-Western Africa from 1916;
- Kabylie Conflict in Kabylie, Algeria, initiated in 1963 by Kabyle-dominated Socialist Forces Front and restarted from 1980s by Movement for the Autonomy of Kabylie (the Berber Spring, the Black Spring (Algeria) and minor more recent events);
Given above explanations, I would suggest creating two new articles Rif Conflict and Kabylie Conflict about specific Berber conflicts (in addition to Tuareg rebellions page, which is to be expanded into full article) in any case, whatever the community consensus on the discussed article in this thread.GreyShark (dibra) 08:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Greyshark09, I'm not opposed to splitting the material, as I think that could solve the issue of presenting it as one long struggle, but a problem is that much (not all) of the material is a content fork from articles that already exist. Zoozaz1 (talk) 13:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Again, you're pushing a "separtist" view of cultural/ethnic nationalism and anti-colonial struggles.
1."First of all, Berberism page is about ethnic/sectarian nationalism, this being parallel to Kurdish nationalism, Assyrian nationalism, Sahrawi nationalism." Well that's your POV. We should never never equate nationalist movements with each other. It's wp:or and nonsense. Berberism =/= Arab nationalism, Assyrian nationalism =/= Slavic nationalism, Kurdish nationalism =/= Assyrian nationalism =/= Sahrawi nationalism =/= Berberism =/= Arab nationalism..... We're not here to make new concepts and synthesize different ideologies in a single one.
"Using those examples we can see three main arenas for prolonged Berber/Amazign separatist struggles:" That's the problem you're using hints of nationalism and some separtist movements as a basis for a wide multi-faceted permanent separtist struggle that started from the times of "Tuareg guerrillas". Any reliable sources where an author is clearly connecting these wide ranged topics as a single struggle?
"Rif Conflict in French and modern Morocco By Riffian people (from 1920 Rif War up to modern to Hirak Rif Movement)" Any sources that connect these different struggles/anti-colonial war in a single separtist movement?
"Geographically sporadic Tuareg rebellions by nomad/semi-settled Tuareg people communities across most North-Western Africa from 1916;" Any sources that connect these different struggles/anti-colonial war in a single separtiist movement? (why not create an article about Tuareg nationalism?)
"Kabylie Conflict in Kabylie, Algeria, initiated in 1963 by Kabyle-dominated Socialist Forces Front and restarted from 1980s by Movement for the Autonomy of Kabylie (the Berber Spring, the Black Spring (Algeria) and minor more recent events);" Any sources that connect these different struggles/anti-colonial war in a single separtist movement? (you can develop the already existing article Kabylism)
2."Secondly, is there an reliable source for grouping those three military/political struggles into a single topic and is this notable per WP guidelines? The answer here is purely technical" It shouldn't be "purely technical". Do you really have a source that connects all of these movements/guerrilas/anti-colonial groups and says that they're all a single "Berber separtist" movement?
see Contested identities: Berbers, ‘Berberism’ and the state in North Africa,North Africa’s ‘Berber question’) Where is "Separtist" or "Separtism" in the work? I can't find a single word about Separtism in the work.
"see The Berber Cultural Movement in the Maghreb: Contemporary Issues in Transnationalism);" Can you point where "Separtism" is mentioned in the chapter?
3."Thirdly, is there a violent and notable Berber separatism movement to execute Berber nationalism? The answer is clearly yes - there are three such nationalist, and often clearly separatist, movements;" That's true but why creating a WP:OR non-WP:STICKTOSOURCE article with copied material instead of expanding the already existing articles (Berberism, Kabylism) -TheseusHeLl (talk) 17:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Confused. I know that the question is not strictly relevant to whether this should be deleted, but I find it difficult to proceed with looking for sources if it isn't answered. Why "in North Africa"? Does Berber separatism (or indeed a significant population of Berbers) exist anywhere else? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:59, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually yes, there is a large Berber diaspora community in Europe and there is a mixed Berber-European ethnic heritage in the Canary Islands.GreyShark (dibra) 10:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This is an argumentative essay with OR issues, and needs to be nuked from orbit. There may very well be a notable topic regarding Berber separatism, but in order for a good article on that to be written this needs to be removed. -Indy beetle (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Open Source Physics. Sandstein 10:24, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tracker (video analysis software)

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Product page for software. Fails WP:NPRODUCT Graywalls (talk) 00:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep It's been referenced in a couple of papers. That tiny drop of notability makes me want to give it the benefit of the doubt. MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 02:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect and merge verifiable content into Open_Source_Physics#Sub-projects, where it is mentioned. Tracker itself has coverage in several books and papers [28], [29], [30],[31]. There is probably enough depth for marginal notability, and keep is a reasonable outcome. But if the consensus is that it doesn't reach GNG, there is still plenty of verifiable material. Our policy WP:ATD states that if possible, verifiable material should be preserved, not deleted. In this case,Open Source Physics is a notable project, having won significant awards, and Tracker is one of its main subprojects, so a selective merge and redirect is a reasonable alternative. Outright deletion goes against policy and is the wrong outcome in this instance. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 03:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny (The Room)

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Not nearly enough in-depth coverage from reliable, independent sourcing to show real world notability. Onel5969 TT me 14:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 17:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Netsurf Network

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Trivial coverage in investor news, all their so-called 'research' has been published in predatory journals. No notability, sources all or nearly all trace back to parroting company claims. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Most such "reliable" sources are trivial (the company exists, it made money) the others simply parrot PR aimed for investors. There is no significant coverage. This is not a notable company. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, basing your !vote on "reliable sources" isn't a valid reason. Mostly, we assume the sources are reliable, as a given. We need to read the references to check that they have in-depth detail on the company as per WP:CORPDEPTH and the ask ourselves if the reference contains "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND. Had you done that, you would see that none of those references meet the criteria as they're rehashed company announcements and therefore clearly fail ORGIND.
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  • Delete Not a single reference (including the ones posted above) meets the criteria for establishing notability and I'm unable to locate and references that do. Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion nor is it a Yellow Pages. Topic fails GNG/NCORP. HighKing++ 11:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Corruption. There is a very strong consensus that this article is unsuitable in its current state, but several participants feel that some parts of it are sourced and potentially salvageable to incorporate into another article. I have redirected it, with history intact, to Corruption as suggested in the discussion - if anyone wishes to incorporate some of it into that or another article, they are free to do so. ~ mazca talk 12:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corruption and state capture in the telecommunications sector in transition countries

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The article seems to be an essay (on an oddly specific topic), and not something suitable for an encyclopedia. It is not well cited, and lacks sufficient context clarifying what its topic is. Noahfgodard (talk) 18:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment -- I agree that the article lacks sufficient context clarifying what its topic is which makes it difficult to evaluate or improve. But I don't think this is not a valid reason for deletion. A case for deletion could be made under WP:GNG with sufficient analysis of the sources. Of the existing sources, it seems like the Wayne Law Review article is the only one that directly addresses the topic; the rest either address corruption generally or are news articles on specific events. I am not qualified to perform a search for more sources in this domain; the onus kinda falls on the nominator to carry out WP:BEFORE part D.

    Alternatively, it could be argued this is a spin-out of the main Corruption article. In that case, the lack of context would probably suffice to merge.BenKuykendall (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong| [express] || 03:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wode Maya

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Non notable youtuber that fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT. In addition, the only sources I could find were unreliable (blogs and YouTube). Eternal Shadow Talk 23:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies, discussion

Hello @DESiegel: Thank you for giving this page a chance. I have now expanded it.

Mainstream secondary sources like the Guardian[1], China Radio International[2], Taiwan News[3], France 24[4] mention Wode Maya in a non trivial way. In summary he is so notable that there is media coverage of his vlogging from Africa, Asia and Europe from at least 6 different countries [4][3][2][1][5][6]. All these references and more are cited. Ear-phone (talk) 23:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am planning to remove the current tag on the article.

I would like to mention that @Yamla: involved in my block, which the Wikimedia Foundation found to have unusual circumstances, tagged this article for speedy deletion.

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  1. ^ a b Pai, Hsiao-Hung (2020-04-25). "The coronavirus crisis has exposed China's long history of racism | Hsiao-Hung Pai". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  2. ^ a b "Wode Maya". chinaplus.cri.cn. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  3. ^ a b News, Taiwan. "African diplomats in China protest against racial discrimination". Taiwan News. Retrieved 2020-08-18. {{cite web}}: |last= has generic name (help)
  4. ^ a b "En Chine, le business de vidéos d'enfants africains prospère". Les Observateurs de France 24 (in French). Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  5. ^ "Video | Wode Maya Shows The Best of Joburg". EBNewsDaily. 2020-02-19. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
  6. ^ Crabbe, Nathaniel (2019-12-27). "Ghanaian vlogger Wode Maya buys new car for mum as Christmas gift in video". Yen.com.gh - Ghana news. Retrieved 2020-08-18.
I'm not hugely knowledgeable about these things, but I'd like to note more broadly that he's one of the most subscribed Ghanaian youtubers and that we currently do a relatively poor job of covering those who are famous outside of the USA (note on wikiproject youtube). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I can't comment on these matters in my official capacity as a staff member-- please be sure to ping my volunteer account (I JethroBT (talk · contribs)) in the future regarding editorial questions. I JethroBT (WMF) (talk) 03:35, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, now on my volunteer account. Here are a few remarks I'd like to make:
  • Coverage of vloggers is generally very limited in reliable sources, and as Evolution and evolvability notes, it is even harder to find coverage for vloggers outside the U.S. in reputable sources, so it is exceedingly difficult for them to meet the threshold for biographies.
  • The current set of sources focus more on Maya's video content and do not discuss a lot of biographical content about him, so it is challenging to write a lot that would be typical for other biographies. The China PLUS. Les Observateurs and YEN articles are probably the best sources of biographical content here (such as about his hometown). Some of that can be used to fill out the article a bit more, and I think the notice can be removed. Overall, I think these articles provide just enough coverage to meet the general notability guideline.
  • It would be helpful to identify more sources that discuss his popularity in greater detail, especially ones that more definitively discuss his popularity as a YouTuber based in Ghana. I remmeber doing a search for these sometime ago, but wasn't able to find anything. Maybe that has changed if Maya has continued to produce videos?
I JethroBT drop me a line 04:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @I JethroBT:. I have expanded the page with your suggestions i.e. including his home town & specific mention of popularity as per China PLUS & YEN. It seems as creator of the page I am not permitted to remove the tag? Please help @DESiegel:. Yes, he is still producing videos. Ear-phone (talk) 09:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ear-phone - Long time no see. Thanks for pinging me. Generally speaking, I'd say he doesn't seem too notable on common grounds, but he might be notable based on the fact that he ois one of the most popular internet personalities in a country where there are hardly any. That is just my view, however. Foxnpichu (talk) 10:55, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Foxnpichu - Long time indeed. Thank you for your comment. Ear-phone (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ear-phone It seems to me that the notability of Wode Maya, as demonstrated by the current state of the article, is at best marginal. That is, of course, not considering any sources which may exist but have not yet been cited here. I tend to agree with Foxnpichu and JethroBT above. Of the current sources:
    • The Guardian piece mentions him only in passing and does not contribute to notability at all.
    • The China Plus piece appears to be a site that is displaying at least one of his videos, and so does not seem to be independent. Notability must be based on independent sources as a rule. Even if this is considered independent, there are only a few lines about Wode Maya and it might not amount to significant coverage.
    • The Taiwan News. piece does not so much as mention his name. No value for notability.
    • The piece from Les Observateurs de France 24 is interesting. But it is primarily about the racist video which Wode Maya was criticizing and who might have made it. There is little about Maya's own video, and less about Maya himself. Still this is of some value. (Note, my French is quite rusty, and I used Google Translate on this piece, with all the limitations of machine translation.)
    • The EB News Daily. piece is hardly more than a passing mention, surely not significant coverage.
    • The Ghana news piece seems to me to be trivial coverage. Yes it is of significant length, and is all about Maya, but it really says only that he bought his mother a car out of his earnings, and publicized the event in video. I am not sure that this counts as significant coverage. Even if it does I am not seeing the multiple independent sources, each with significant coverage, that the WP:GNG requires.
Thus I don't think notability is clearly established here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @DESiegel:. I am writing a response detailing reasons as I do not agree with you. 17:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning with the Ghana News[1] article you write, "seems to me to be trivial coverage". Wode Maya is so popular that 'trivial' things he does like purchasing a car for his Mum makes mainstream news. The article is titled - "Popular Ghanaian vlogger Wode Maya buys....". This establishes his popularity in Ghana and as you write, the article "...is of significant length, and is all about Maya,...".

The China Plus[2] article which is part of China Radio International, writes "Ghanaian Vlogger Wode Maya has had his videos about life in China go viral, receiving millions of hits from fans around the world." Once again the popularity aspect is noted, "...his immensely popular Youtube channel..." The principle modality for radio is audio and yes, there are relatively few written lines, but 25 minutes of audio. Mass media is not restricted to written words. Now, there is independent mainstream news of his popularity from two different countries on two different continents.[1][2]

Yes, Taiwan News[3] does not mention Maya's name in writing, however his YouTube video is the centre piece audiovisual for that article. There was no need to mention his name, in writing because it is presented via audio and as often happens with notable/popular people, they do not need to be mentioned by name in writing, their identity being revealed by other means.

For the France 24[4] article, you write "Note, my French is quite rusty, and I used Google Translate on this piece, with all the limitations of machine translation". Therefore, you may not be able to adequately assess this source. Nonetheless, if a notable/popular personality criticises something, it is not unusual for their criticism to reach mainstream news like it has for Maya.

You write that The Guardian[5] and EB News Daily[6] are passing mention pieces. Both these mainstream news sources, not originating from Maya's home country find it necessary to include Maya's perspective, precisely because he is notable.

Finally there is skewed geographic coverage of YouTubers - List of YouTubers. The Wikimedia Foundation in its statement on 3 June 2020 states, "Building power, relationships, and resources to advance epistemic justice and redress the exclusion and omission of Black, indigenous, and communities of color within knowledge systems in general and the Wikimedia projects specifically."

I therefore do not agree that Wode Maya is not notable for English Wikipedia. Ear-phone (talk) 22:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Crabbe, Nathaniel (2019-12-27). "Ghanaian vlogger Wode Maya buys new car for mum as Christmas gift in video". Yen.com.gh - Ghana news. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  2. ^ a b "Wode Maya". chinaplus.cri.cn. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  3. ^ News, Taiwan. "African diplomats in China protest against racial discrimination". Taiwan News. Retrieved 2020-08-19. {{cite web}}: |last= has generic name (help)
  4. ^ "En Chine, le business de vidéos d'enfants africains prospère". Les Observateurs de France 24 (in French). Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  5. ^ "The coronavirus crisis has exposed China's long history of racism | Hsiao-Hung Pai". the Guardian. 2020-04-25. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
  6. ^ "Video | Wode Maya Shows The Best of Joburg". EBNewsDaily. 2020-02-19. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
Just saying, that Ghana News appears to be what I like to call gossip sites, which always go on about trivial things random people do, similar to stuff like the Daily Mail. Foxnpichu (talk) 23:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Ghana’s authoritative news website, YEN.com.gh (Ghana News), has been adjudged the Best Online News Portal at the 2019 National Communications Awards held at the Export Trade House in Accra on Saturday, November 10, 2019. Read more: https://yen.com.gh/137415-yen-gh-named-news-website-ghana-national-communications-awards-2019.html"[1]
"What great ones do the less will prattle of" from Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare. Ultimately Wode Maya is notable and popular as mentioned in global mainstream news - regardless of whether English Wikipedia chooses to recognise this or not. The real issue is Wikipedia:Systemic bias. Besides Wode Maya, there is currently not a single Black African YouTuber from sub-Saharan Africa here - List of YouTubers, which shows undue under representation. Ear-phone (talk) 09:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Aryee, Naa Ayeley (2019-11-14). "YEN.com.gh named best news website in Ghana at NCA awards 2019". Yen.com.gh - Ghana news. Retrieved 2020-08-22.

Hello @Eternal Shadow:

Wode Maya does not fail WP:GNG (see the above cited multiple reliable independent - not produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it - mainstream media mentions, etc). WP:GNG states, "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, ..."

WP:ENT states:

1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

For 1, YouTubers like Wode Maya, would fall under other productions and would not be required to be in films, television shows, etc. For 2, a large fan base is present. For 3, this is satisfied because Wode Maya has made unique, prolific contributions. YouTube is not only an entertainment site, it is possible to have education content and so on. So WP:ENT might not even be the appropriate criterion for YouTubers. However Wode Maya still meets it.

Ear-phone (talk) 01:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ear-phone, there have been YouTubers with 5x larger fanbases have their pages get deleted, so “large fan base” does not seem to be present. Eternal Shadow Talk 20:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eternal Shadow, to directly quote once again as above from a reliable secondary source (cited earlier):
The China Plus[1] article which is part of China Radio International, writes "Ghanaian Vlogger Wode Maya has had his videos about life in China go viral, receiving millions of hits from fans around the world." The reliable secondary source proves definitively that Maya has a large global fan base. That is sufficient. However, following your contentious logic, there are YouTubers with a lower number of fans/subscribers and total views that are deemed notable by Wikipedia and have a page on this site. Ear-phone (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Wode Maya". chinaplus.cri.cn. Retrieved 2020-08-19.
Ear-phone, the problem here is less of the size of the fan base and more about the sources. The fact that there are sources from somewhat major reliable sources makes this borderline. Eternal Shadow Talk 16:33, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eternal Shadow - being repetitive, as above, it's reliable sources not major sources. Nonetheless, Maya's sources are major. There is clear cut notability. The above reliable sources speak for themselves. Ear-phone (talk) 21:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ear-phone, I recommend we both let other users render their judgements. Note that YouTube is not a reliable source. Eternal Shadow Talk 16:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eternal Shadow, I have not attempted or wish to prevent other users from commenting or rendering their judgement. I am fully aware that YouTube itself is not typically considered a reliable source. None of the above references cite YouTube. Ear-phone (talk) 16:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ear-phone, the 6th citation in the article is from YouTube. I am just trying to suggest ways to improve the article. Eternal Shadow Talk 16:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eternal Shadow. No, you are trying to get the article deleted. I am fully aware that the 6th citation in the article cites YouTube. Here is the context and exact sentence. "He joined YouTube on January 10, 2013.[1]" The YouTuber Marques Brownlee has this sentence which cites YouTube, "Brownlee joined YouTube on March 21, 2008.[2]" YouTube is a reliable source for when YouTubers joined YouTube. This use is completely appropriate. Ear-phone (talk) 17:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Wode Maya: About". YouTube.
  2. ^ "Marques Brownlee: About". YouTube.
Ear-phone If the community decides that this is notable, then I am fine with that. There are too many close calls under guidelines. Example: Overall, I think these articles provide just enough coverage to meet the general notability guideline. I recommend that more sources be added and the article is expanded, as that will indicate a full pass of notability guidelines. Eternal Shadow Talk 18:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eternal Shadow, the article already meets the notability guidelines fully as indicated and sourced above. Ear-phone (talk) 18:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep Would note the utility and usefulness of the article. As an uninvolved observer, and having been recommended and having enjoyed Wode's videos, I personally sought out further information about him and was pleased to see that an article existed. I'm convinced of notability and sufficiency of sources re: above. Rowd149 (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, as written. No objection to draftification if it is expected that the article can be expanded and improved in the future. BD2412 T 00:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Having noted the truly massive WP:BLUDGEONing of this argument that verges on tendentious editing I'm going to request in advance that any response to this !vote does not repeat sources or arguments given above. I have read the arguments and the cited articles and find them almost wholly without merit. They betray a fundamental misunderstanding of the notability criteria or the reasons this community established them in the first place: popularity is not notability. At very best, the sources demonstrate that this is a YouTuber who has accumulated a (in the context of YouTube) rather modest profile. At worst, the arguments in favor are variations on WP:ILIKEIT camouflaged in distracting and irrelevant sources or language. There is nothing demonstrated in any of the sources that rises to the level of significant coverage that this project expects. Perhaps this would be better-placed on the Chinese or Ghanian Wikis. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Tone 17:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Galen Fott

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Doesn't seem to quite meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR, award nominations fall short of WP:ANYBIO. The one piece of significant coverage is this piece in a magazine of unclear reliability (they don't appear to publish any editorial information). Other than that, there's some brief mentions in local theater reviews [36], [37], but I think we're short of GNG. signed, Rosguill talk 22:22, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep I wrote the article on Galen Fott, whom I met at the Nashville Film Festival in 2018 where one of his films was screened. I thought he merited an article, and my research has borne this out.
You question the reliability of Nashville Arts Magazine. It ceased publication in 2018, but was a glossy monthly print magazine edited by Paul Polycarpou. I changed the reference in the article so that it links to the Issuu PDF version of the issue, which includes the magazine's masthead on page 6.
Weston Woods animated films are definitely notable (one was Oscar-nominated), and Fott is one of their leading director/animators. Weston Woods films merit a lengthy essay in Giannalberto Bendazzi's three-volume book Animation: A World History, in which Fott is mentioned. Fott's work is also discussed in John Cech's book on Weston Woods, which is already referenced in the article.
The San Francisco International Film Festival is unquestionably one of the most important in the US, and Fott has been nominated for their Golden Gate Award three times (other links now added to article). At WorldFest-Houston, Fott has been awarded nine Remi Awards over his career. (Their website is now under construction, but when I wrote the article the information was there in Excel spreadsheet format.)
As an actor, Fott was interviewed and quoted for over two paragraphs in the September 28, 2016 edition of the Robertson County Times (newspapers.com link added to the article). Many other theatre review mentions appear on newspapers.com . As my article already mentioned, in 1991 Fott originated the role of Gaston in the Beauty and the Beast show at Disney World, which has proven so popular it is still running (COVID-19 notwithstanding).
It seems to me Fott was already covered significantly in several independent, reliable sources, especially when considering that he doesn't need to be the main topic of the material, as the GNG makes clear. I have now added more independent, reliable sources to the article. I hope this helps bolster the case for the article's inclusion. KarlenP (talk) 03:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added another link to an article solely about Fott from the Nashville Scene, a weekly print publication. Editorial staff here. KarlenP (talk) 23:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep no consensus. General consensus after two relists despite low participation. Post closure comment- IMO this shouldn't have been nominated if there was an active merge proposal on the article.(non-admin closure) Nightfury 20:53, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Qualified Mental Retardation Professional

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WP:NOTEVERYTHING applies here. Does not meet WP:GNG.   // Timothy :: talk  00:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 02:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vollee

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Not notable (contested speedy). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. BD2412 T 00:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kiev Fashion Park

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No claim to any notability. Fails WP:N. Deleted in Russian Wikipedia. Mitte27 (talk) 13:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. General consensus. (non-admin closure) Nightfury 20:55, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely Memory

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Non notable film, nothing found to support it's notability claim in a WP:BEFORE except film database sites. PROD removed because of "Notable actors, notable director, notable production company Suevia Films (etc.)", but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Donaldd23 (talk) 00:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Of the sources in the article, two are on Google Books: [38] (passing-ish mention), [39] (same). The most in-depth sources I found were [40] and [41] (a very retrospective review in El País). There's also [42], which is decent but not fantastic. There are some passing mentions elsewhere too. There's not a huge quantity of in-depth coverage, but just enough for NFILM/GNG, it seems. If this is kept, I'd suggest moving to Bello recuerdo because I don't think it's really ever known by the English title. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, if the article is kept, it should stay under the English title per WP:NCFILM, which says if the film has an English title (which this does), it should "Use the title more commonly recognized by English readers" Donaldd23 (talk) 00:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is it relevant that the film was not released or distributed under the English title? I couldn't really find anything under "Lovely Memory", though maybe I missed something. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Line of succession to the former Mecklenburg thrones

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Precedent is now in favour of deleting articles about lines of succession to thrones which no longer exist. PatGallacher (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete As the nominator alludes to, 39 lines of succession to defunct thrones have been deleted recently (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39). WP:CONSENSUS is clear that we don't want lines of succession that are a century out of date because the thrones are defunct (or even just over a decade out of date, as in the case of Nepal). This is not fixable by adding the "current line of succession"; if it were added, WP:DELREASON#6 would apply: Articles that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources, including neologisms, original theories and conclusions, and articles that are themselves hoaxes (but not articles describing notable hoaxes). It is impossible to attribute the current lines of succession to these thrones to WP:RELIABLE sources, because there are no current lines of succession, because the Grand Duchies themselves don't even exist anymore. See also WP:NOTGENEALOGY. TompaDompa (talk) 13:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This is a subpolity that was dissolved in 1918 alongside the abolition all official royal titles in Germany. The (poorly-sourced) fact that other rulers of defunct monarchies also recognized its post-1918 nobility at some point is irrelevant; it is no longer extant and therefore no longer has a verifiable line of succession. The succession in 1918 is covered in various Mecklenberg articles and so is an unnecessary fork. JoelleJay (talk) 15:59, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Wilhelm of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld

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Obscure person, he was never head of this rather minor aristocratic house, nobility in Germany was abolished while he was still a child, his SS rank was equivalent to captain and therefore not inherently notable. PatGallacher (talk) 11:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - A BEFORE only shows results in genealogical listings, no significant coverage; fails GNG. -Indy beetle (talk) 19:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gbenga Sogbaike

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. Essentially all the same reference from the same announcement. CEO announcement is not-independent. scope_creepTalk 11:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GPD Win Max

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Fails WP:NPRODUCT. No indication of notability. scope_creepTalk 11:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 17:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Karol Wolfram

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Unreferenced article about Polish clergyman. Not obviously notable. Rathfelder (talk) 11:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete until sources are found. Xxanthippe (talk) 12:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep. I have cited some sources in the article, but have by no means exhausted what is available. I must add that the subject is certainly unusual (not that that necessarily equates to notability) in that he was a Protestant priest and academic in an overwhelmingly Catholic country that was under Communist rule for much of his career. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, being a minority somewhere is not that unusual. In fact, there were used to be sizable Protestant communities in heavily Germanized parts of Poland and Lithuania, dwindled during the post-WWII remapping of the Europe and population transfers. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative delete pending clarification whether the newly added sources do cover the subject in detail, not just refbombing with simple mentions (no disrespect to Phil, I often do the same as a quick defense at AfDs :-), but I usually try to expand quickly afterwards, or at leas promise to do this. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is significant coverage in the book by Krzysztof Jan Rej, with a biography of the subject on pages 187-188 (click "view all" here to see it). The coverage in the other sources is lesser. Phil Bridger (talk) 06:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • the book you found is a kinda who is who book of narrow interest and small publisher, of evangelist military priests (he was one for a short time), all of them of questionable notability, and I still still do not see him notable for wikipedia, being in not very high ranks. Staszek Lem (talk) 06:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Consensus is clear. I don't want to step too deeply into the notability divide, but participants voting to !keep appear to be finding sufficient strength of publication. BD2412 T 00:41, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Rice Camp

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The subject is not eligible as notable per WP:NACADEMIC and WP:PROF. I could not find any significant publication, citation under his name as part of WP:BEFORE. ☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 11:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 17:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fareed Khan (producer)

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Fails WP:PRODUCER. References are passing mentions. scope_creepTalk 11:04, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete- as per nom. 1292simon (talk) 01:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment 1292simon Don't you think the article is notable ?. I have cited and added the references as much as i can about him. The details i have added show the reliability and you will get the details of him when you google it! I have added a stub there because he is a notable producer but some little more informations are to be added. I think you will help to add more info to keep the article live. Thank You Ambili123 (talk) 16:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 13:10, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Grant (footballer)

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Fails WP:NFOOTY, fails WP:GNG, a bit TOOSOON. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Creator of the page here. I believe this page should stay as it is maintained very regularly using trusted sources such as national Irish media RTE and regarded sporting outlets e.g. Extratime.ie. The page was made specifically for Daniel Grant as he is a rising star on the Republic of Ireland national under-21 football team and has also been recently named the League of Ireland Player of the Month. All of his stats are verified on sites such as soccerway and livescore and are used in conjunction with another project I've undertaken on Wikipedia for the past number of years, namely the current seasons of Bohemian Football Club. Thank you.

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A player being listed on Soccerway or their club website isn't generally considered to be evidence of notability. His Player of the Month award is the only thing that comes close to GNG being met but I don't think it's enough. There doesn't seem to be any significant coverage of him in mainstream media. As the nominator has pointed out, this is at best a case of WP:TOOSOON Spiderone 16:54, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 17:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The talking kitty cat series

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Very very obviously not notable, fails WP:GNG by a long shot. All that I could find in my WP:BEFORE search was a single mention to this series in a report about the death of the series' creator. JavaHurricane 10:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 17:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David John Henry Ingham Roper-Curzon

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Somewhat over extensive genealogy, for an individual who had done nothing notable. This is not a proper use of WP. DGG ( talk ) 09:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 17:49, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History House Museum

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References consist only of one paragraph in a local newspaper, plus 3 from its own web site or organization DGG ( talk ) 08:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 08:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Larry Holmes (activist)

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This article is about a member of the Workers World Party. Though he ran as the party's presidential nominee in U.S. presidential elections, there appears to be no significant coverage of him in independent reliable sources (the Workers World website is run by the WWP). A BEFORE search turned up nothing helpful. Happy to be proven wrong, but as far I can see the source material does not exist. Indy beetle (talk) 07:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 08:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Freeman

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Vanity bio with no indication of notability per WP:BIO, WP:ACADEMIC, or WP:NSPORT for his work as a basketball chaplain. Sources are all primary or unreliable, apart from a NYT reference with a passing mention of his book, and I can see no significant coverage of him online in WP:RS. The notability of the award he's claimed unsourced to have won is unclear, and the only sources I can find for him winning it are his own website and other unreliable sources. Article creator blocked for undisclosed paid editing and probable sockpuppetry. Capewearer (talk) 06:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is clear, potential canvassing aside (given that canvassing can end up bringing delete voters to a discussion as readily as anyone else, and that no regular AfD participants saw fit to comment in favor of deletion). BD2412 T 00:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blackball Museum of Working Class History

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The references consist only of two travel guides and two press releases. The coverage in each of the guides is only a single paragraph. It's already included in the article on the town. DGG ( talk ) 05:46, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The exhibition is pretty clearly notable and has had extensive coverage in reliable sources in the ten years it's been up. None of the four West Coast newspapers are online, though, which makes it harder to immediately post references. I've been encouraging people to create stubs for West Coast institutions as part of the West Coast Wikipedian at Large project, and will be spending three days in Blackball in early October working with the creators of the museum and going through their file of media coverage. So if we can perhaps hold off until then it will save me having to create the article over again. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 08:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - We do not have a WP:CRYSTALBALL that will tell us that we will find sufficient media coverage of this museum in a file of print media. That said, the article, if found not to be notable here, it could be moved to draft space so that you could work on it and if its not notable then its much easier to delete from there. -Indy beetle (talk) 19:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:ITSAMUSEUM. In addition to the travel guides, I added two references from the Christchurch Press about the funding and the museum's sponsorship of a memorial. ITSAMUSEUM says that in general, we keep articles on museums, because it's a public attraction and they tend to get coverage in travel books and newspapers. — Toughpigs (talk) 16:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Besides WP:ITSAMUSEUM, this is a locally significant place, as the place where a memorial to the miners lost in the Pike River Mine Disaster is sited. DrThneed (talk) 03:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that DrThneed (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. (diff)[reply]
  • Keep. I didn't have a strong opinion about this but now that the AfD for History House Museum has been closed as 'Keep', this article should be kept, as it is just as notable, if not more so, than History House Museum. That said, it's the content that is most important, whether it is in its own article or part of another. Nurg (talk) 22:49, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Tone 08:16, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Suspects

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Delete declined prod; completely unreferenced, and WP:BEFORE reveals no sources that rise to the level required by WP:NBAND. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Konstantin Kisin. Tone 08:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Triggernometry (podcast)

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Triggernometry is a non-notable podcast. Three of the six sources are links to the podcast, the Telegraph article is not independent due to it being written by a guest of the podcast; the Express (article) is a non-reliable source; and the American Thinker appears unreliable. Further, none of these sources constitute significant coverage of the podcast itself, separate to the topic of the host, who may well merit his own article. Search for reliable and independent coverage has been fruitless, and there are clearly people invested in making this article worthy of remaining who have also failed to find significant sourcing.

As such, the article as it currently stands has been a mess of edit warring over opinions that can't be backed up by reliable sourcing, and only serves to advertise the podcast. If this podcast at some point in the future gains notability, it should certainly be restored, but very little information will be lost in its deletion now that could not be replaced at a future time. — Hazzzzzz12 (talk) 05:24, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The edit warring seems to have stopped. I think an understanding has been reached. — Jschanna7 (talk) 00:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Jschanna7: but I hope it’s clear that the issue with the page is less about warring and more that there is warring because sources are too scarce, and few statements (probably all true and good faith) can be backed up by editors. — Hazzzzzz12 (talk) 03:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Hazzzzzz12, hope you're well. It looks like Triggernometry has been reviewed in sources that Wikipedia regards as reliable, such as https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revisionist-history-malcolm-gladwell-podcast-review-malcolm-gladwell-cvcbmmp3g. Does this now meet the criteria for Triggernometry to have its own wiki page? Jschanna7 (talk) 20:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftify. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barbera Hale Thornhill

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WP:BLP1E currently applies. Suggest DRAFTIFY, in case she becomes ambassador soon and has notable events. 1292simon (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The main distinction is between elected office and appointment. Ambassadors can be notable, but just aren't inherently so. Mccapra (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Many legislators aren't elected, either: British lords, Canadian senators, and Chinese politburo members, for example. Even though ambassadors act (theoretically) with the same power as the head of state, they usually attract much less attention from the media. pburka (talk) 12:25, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 08:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Yang (entrepreneur)

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Doesn't appear to be notable. Couldn't find significant coverage in reliable sources. Author likely had COI or was paid. --IWI (talk) 08:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Colette Otusheso

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BLP of a marketing and communication consultant. She is the head of online television platform Accelerate TV and was named in the list of Top 50 leading ladies in corporate Nigeria by Leading Ladies Africa. Nothing to support notability beyond having a fairly successful media career. Mccapra (talk) 11:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Naoki Yamamoto (manga artist). Reasonable consensus to merge as WP:ATD. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arigatō (manga)

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I couldn't establish that it meets WP:NOTABILITY. Coverage is mainly in unreliable sources. I may be missing something due to language barrier. There is the possibility of a redirect to Naoki Yamamoto as an WP:ATD. Has been in CAT:NN for 11 years. Boleyn (talk) 15:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to anarchist bookfair. BD2412 T 00:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Salon du livre anarchiste

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Fails WP:NEVENT and WP:NORG. No significant coverage other than announcements. Rogermx (talk) 20:22, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep per [49] (Radio-Canada), [50] (Radio-Canada), [51] ("Les festivals ou semaines thématiques sont des espaces de regroupement périodique pour les différents acteurs de la communauté antiautoritaire. Parmi ceux-ci, le Festival de l’anarchie et le Salon du livre anarchiste de Montréal sont les plus grands rassemblements annuels de ce genre en Amérique du Nord"), and [52] (decent paragraph on page 3, beginning "Chaque année, j’essaie de passer faire un tour au Salon du livre anarchiste de Montréal …") AleatoryPonderings (talk) 20:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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@AleatoryPonderings, I have some doubts about those sources. The first one only mentions the anarchist bookfair in passing and is otherwise the story of Expozine in relation to the second-largest francophone bookfair in the world[53], the "célèbre Salon du livre de Montréal" (Montreal Book Fair), not the anarchist bookfair. So I think the third source might be confusing the two when declaring the Montreal anarchist bookfair the largest of its kind in North America without any supporting evidence or citation. (Those ranking francophone bookfairs talk about audience counts at least.) The second source is a local event listing, so I wouldn't use it to confer notability. And that leaves the fourth source, which is more personal narrative than the basis for an encyclopedia article. Ultimately not seeing the coverage with which we'd write a dedicated article on this subject that does justice to the topic. czar 18:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, Czar. On a aussi [54], but I'm not sure how reliable that source is. I admit I'm inclined to cling to any hint of notability because WP:ITSINTERESTING, but I know I'm grasping at straws here. AleatoryPonderings (talk)
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The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong| [soliloquize] || 04:02, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Hansford

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Seems to fail WP:NPROF. Going through the references added: 1) Press release 2) bio page from university 3) dead link 4) Journal article 5) Dead link 6) Co-written article. This seems to have been created by an SPA and was rejected numerous times at AfC. As well, their Google Scholar profile shows citations of 15 HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Bearian, that's fair but I don't believe that still passes Wikipedia's notability criteria. I don't think being a leader of a think tank passes NPROF #5 if that's what you were implying. Could you clarify? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, HickoryOughtShirt?4, he's an associate professor, and point 5 doesn't apply - "not for junior faculty members with endowed appointments." I think criteria 6 applies: "Lesser administrative posts (provost, dean, department chair, etc.) are generally not sufficient to qualify under Criterion 6 alone, although exceptions are possible on a case-by-case basis (e.g., being a Provost of a major university may sometimes qualify)." Bearian (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All these news are from this year and related to the same topic, so I'm not sure... still feels like WP:BLP1E. I'm changing my vote to weak delete due to more uncertainty added. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 21:53, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Some notes I have: I am unsure as to the bearing this may have, but his university bio page describes him as a full "Professor" and not just an "Associate Professor" (which is what the wiki page in question says). For me, at least, this indicates a greater degree of notability (at least within his institution) than could otherwise be inferred. However, as he has been cited in articles exclusively from this year, as Walwal20 points out, this indicates that he may not be notable enough *yet* to have a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond033 (talk • contribs)
  • Leaning keep, based on the notable activities engaged in. Subject gets a few dozen hits on Newspapers.com, mostly being quoted for articles on other topics, but it is significant that his views are sought out. BD2412 T 01:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 08:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

.30 Walker

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Looks like a non-notable cartridge. This is in no way a reliable source. This book is compiled from Wikipedia. This site just links you to Wikipedia for the full description. The mention here is in a list that may well be copied from Wikipedia. Another forum here. Literally everything I'm finding is either in forums or appears to be mirroring this article. It appears to actually exist, but I can't see any way this even gets close to notability. Hog Farm Bacon 01:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 08:18, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chapel Hill-Carrboro Chamber of Commerce

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promotional article for promotional organization-- almost all sources are its own website DGG ( talk ) 04:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:07, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Albion Bolton Community Centre

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Insufficient secondary coverage. My PROD was declined and I'm not finding coverage at Google or Google News apart from passing mentions. --Another Believer (Talk) 04:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lindale, Missouri

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It's not an extinct town/populated place like GNIS claims, it was a building on the MKT railroad. See [65], which lists it under both Lindale and the former name of Marge. It was a telegraph office and terminal building on the railroad, both of which were apparently gone by the time of the oldest small-scale topo map I could find, which is 1961. Google maps suggests that currently, nothing is there. This book calls it a "point" on the railroad. Not mentioned in an old book about the naming of Missouri towns and counties. All indications are that this was a stop on the MKT, and not a populated place as suggested by GNIS. WP:GEOLAND does not give a free pass, as this was never a legally recognized place. We've got to go by WP:GNG, which this town never passed. Hog Farm Bacon 03:27, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete No evidence this was ever a community and no evidence that it meets basic notability standards. Glendoremus (talk) 04:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete I managed to do better in the topo department, finding two showing Lindale as a small yard complex with a turning wye, traces of which you can still see. A 1950s aerial photo shows the same, with no buildings around to speak of and certainly no town. No idea why the Katy had an isolated yard like this, but there it is. Mangoe (talk) 05:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Oops, this was kept a month ago, withdrawing. (non-admin closure) Hog Farm Bacon 03:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dan McGirt

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Has been in CAT:NN since 2009, so it's time to get a decision on this. Both references are published by the subject. My WP:BEFORE search is turning up more primary sources, a few blogs, and a couple user-generated databases. Not seeing a WP:NAUTHOR or WP:GNG pass here. Hog Farm Bacon 03:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Dilday Mill. In general, if a title would make for a useful search phrase, try redirection before nominating an article for deletion. czar 06:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dilday Mill, Missouri

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This needs to be redirected to Dilday Mill, as it's clearly the same place. I'm taking this here, as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zig, Missouri and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derby, Missouri so I guess contesting these stubs in controversial. Per the Missouri State Historical Society, this is clearly the same thing as Dilday Mill. Yet another reason not to trust GNIS. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zig, Missouri

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GNIS calls it a "populated place", which doesn't necessarily mean a WP:GEOLAND pass anyway (only legally recognized populated places get a GEOLAND pass. After further research, it's pretty clear this was a short-lived fourth-class post office, not a community. The Missouri State Historical Society calls it a post office, as does a 1911 history of the county it was in [66]. The post office apparently closed in 1908, so the 1911 history would be a good indication if it was a town. Nothing on the 1963 small-scale topo. Google maps takes me to what appears to be a farm compound. It looks like this was nothing more than a post office ever, so it doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND. WP:GNG is also not met. GNIS is not a reliable source, folks. They just pulled a bunch of names off of topo maps, without checking to make sure they were actually towns. Hog Farm Bacon 01:42, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it is not a made up area. it was notable in 1908 so it is notable in 2020. Present day map shows and interest. Lightburst (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Lightburst: - Can you point me to what part of WP:GEOLAND this passes? It was never a legally recognized place that I can tell: it wasn't unusual in rural areas to have the post office out in the middle of nowhere. It falls under populated places without legal recognition, which requires a WP:GNG pass, which I'm not seeing. Just seeing namechecks and a few brief descriptions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Please be aware that the present day Google maps just imports data from GNIS, it is not a separate or necessarily reliable source! It also still labels our favorite industrial rail spurs as communities! I fail to see how it was notable in 1908, just a place where people collected their mail, no results in newspapers.com. Reywas92Talk 05:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete Actually it's worse: GMaps imposts data from the English WP. At any rate, I see exactly the same results: a rural area with no concentration of population, and a single farm picked out which presumably belonged to Mr. Ziegler a century ago. Mangoe (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost (talk) 01:20, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rail Ka Dibba

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I nominate this article because there are 2 reference and 2 cast and also having 1 category and this article reviewed too early. I thought it doesn't meet the criteria WP:Film Looplips (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:00, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of mathematical concepts named after places

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First, this seems to fail WP:LISTN. I can't find any reliable sources discussing this as a topic. About the few hits I come up with are a couple discussion forums (which was apparently the inspiration for this list), but that's not really enough.

There's nothing cohesive about the entries in this list themselves (be they theorems, problems, objects, etc.), only about their names, and in many cases, it's unclear if they even belong (is the Mexican hat wavelet really named after Mexico or a kind of hat?). As such, it runs afoul of WP:NOTDIR #6 (non-encyclopedic cross categorizations). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Does having invented one of these names give me too much of a COI to discuss it? I agree, this is indiscriminate, both in why things are listed (name puns, named after place of original usage, named after things named after places, named after type of businesses named after cuisine named after place of origin, named after national origin of discoverer, named after fictional invention story, etc) and in the likely unwieldy size of this list if expanded to all names that could qualify. It's not clear to me why all of these things are included but for instance Catalan numbers aren't. (They are named after a person whose surname might refer to a place, but how is that less direct than being named after a type business named after a cuisine named after a place?) Additionally there is a likely problem with original research having to do with the lack of sourcing for each individual name and the evaluation needed to determine whether it really is a place name. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Was going to fWas going to vote keep, but looked at the list. Many aren’t really named after places at all. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Most of them aren't named after places (unless Mexican hat is a place), plus problems, paradoxes (paradoxi?), etc. aren't concepts. The whole is less than the sum of the wildly disparate parts. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no evidence of any in-depth reliable sources covering this 'phenomenon' as a group Spiderone 11:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Although I have the same mild COI as David Eppstein having named a number of objects after the locations I was in (or near) when I discovered them (often with an intended pun), I have never published the origins of these names (although I may have mentioned them in research talks). So, I think that most of the items on the list would pose some difficulty for having reliable sources talk about the names.--Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete : I don't see any purpose for having such a list. I agree with the nominator it clearly fails LISTN. AngusMEOW (chatter • paw trail) 12:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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