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Ebrahim Raisi in 2023
Ebrahim Raisi

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May 21

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RD: Paul Parkman

Article: Paul Parkman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American physician who helped develop the rubella vaccine. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milei-Sánchez diplomatic crisis

Article: Argentina–Spain relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez removes its ambassador from Argentina after a diplomatic crisis with president Javier Milei. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

The dispute itself is almost irrelevant (Sanchez says X about Milei, Milei says Y about Sanchez, and it goes on like that) but it has escalated quickly. Cambalachero (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment what are the precedents for posting diplomatic feuds? IIRC, the Ecuador-Mexico dispute wasn't posted despite the high escalation to breaking into an embassy. Nor was Colombia cutting off from Israel posted, as that was seen as just another page in the Middle Eastern conflict. Those examples also show this is far from the most dramatic news in South American diplomacy this year. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Ecuador-Mexico was posted: [1] Natg 19 (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose minor squabble between world leaders, unlikely to escalate further. Natg 19 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek

Article: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Variety
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Polish composer. 240F:7A:6253:1:F9E2:9586:9635:4621 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose upon review - lots of uncited material, and one of the sources doesn't seem to support what it's cited for. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sharkey Ward

Article: Sharkey Ward (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

"Rear-Admiral Sandy Woodward said that if Ward had not disobeyed orders, Britain would have lost the Falklands Islands"

— The Times

Andrew🐉(talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 20

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RD: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger

Article: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Gazzetta dello Sport, Il Post, Die Zeit, Süddeutsche Zeitung, The Times of India
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A pretty well-known name for Italian and German football fans, he was mainly notable for being one of the few players who featured in four FIFA World Cups, as well as the man who managed to score his only international goal in the so-called "Game of the Century". Oltrepier (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt

Article: 2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A coup d'état by the United Congolese Party was foiled in the Democratic Republic of the Congo resulting in the death of the party's founder and leader Christian Malanga. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated

Part of the wider recent African coup belt, an attempted coup by the United Congolese Party was foiled, resulting in the party's leader Christian Malanga being killed, as well as American and British mercenaries being detained. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose seems to be been a pretty quick/open-and-shut event of limited scale, likely not resulting in a lot of long-term consequences. The Kip (contribs) 00:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per The Kip, but this does qualify Christian Malanga for an RD at minimum. --Masem (t) 00:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom, per TK above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this obviously doesn't happen often & is big news nationally, and I am troubled by the idea that "if it didn't succeed, then it's not worth posting" above. Banedon (talk) 02:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    this obviously doesn't happen often
    See Coup Belt - this is the 16th attempted coup in the region since 2020. It unfortunately has become rather common. The Kip (contribs) 02:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From that link I can see this is the first attempted coup in Congo, so unless you amend the definition of "coup belt" to include Congo, this is not common. Banedon (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The map, sure, but the article notes that the "Coup Belt" region is commonly defined as both west and central Africa. The Kip (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article also lists seven countries in the infobox, none of which include Congo. Are you defining "coup belt" to be all countries in Western and Central Africa now, regardless of whether they've had any coups in the past? Banedon (talk) 03:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait on RD I scanned the story for "would", "-wards" and "wever", found one. It's better now (as is a common noun). But the level of tagbombing and plausible misinformation down there could (currently) make a grown historian cry. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And by story, I mean all the crap in Christian Malanga exclusively. An altblurb without that attached might do. No promises, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Banedon. Since we posted 2016 Turkish coup attempt, which also seemed also rather flash-in-the-pan, then it seems like we ought to post this. The DRC/Zaire has had its share of problems over the years, but coups there are rare and this is still a major issue and has been covered internationally. A decent enough article at first glance too.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was 8 years ago. Just because we posted something similar once doesn't mean we must always do so for ever more. Also, the Turkish one lasted much longer, with more casualties, in more locations, involving more participants etc. etc. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - flash in the pan. A non-successful coup attempt can be significant enough to post, but there's bearly anything here. A guy got a few dozens people with him and attempted an arm intrusion in a couple of places that were quickly foiled, and got killed in the process. The army wasn't with him, the police wasn't with him, ... It was over before people even woke up. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This was so feeble that it seems that it was either a delusional gamble or it was instigated by an agent provocateur to prop up Tshisekedi's shaky regime. As the DRC has had ongoing armed conflict for years, killing thousands and displacing millions, this incident needs more clarity and context. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't understands how this was anymore feeble than Trump's Capitol storming attempt. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait on RD, oppose coup post unfortunately too common in the Western and central African reigons, and the attempted coup happened very briefly. We very rarely post coup attempts and only when they are significant. Move to SNOW close. Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Any coup attempts is notable for ITN as long as the article is in good shape, which it is in this case. I think with the fact that a major party leader in the nation was also killed in the coup attempt also makes it a bit different than the others in my book. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He wasn't a major party leader in the nation, for the most part. He lived in America. The UCP never won a seat, even there. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ivan Boesky

Article: Ivan Boesky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The original 1980s Wall Street super villain. "Greed is good." Unusually, I think the article is in fairly decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Only as short as it needs to be, with no glaringly apparent lies; he was 87. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fernando Martínez Castellano

Article: Fernando Martínez Castellano (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Las Provincias
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Coincidentally, I created this article very recently to complete the navbox of mayors of Valencia, having put it off for a while due to a lack of accessible sources. Not a very long article (the man served for a few months then disappeared from public life) but not a stub. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Pretty bare bones, but basically adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Short but sufficient. Source spot-check checks out. Curbon7 (talk) 03:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Source for birth year already in article ([2]) but can be better cited. Curbon7 (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jean-Claude Gaudin

Article: Jean-Claude Gaudin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former mayor of Marseilles. Currently translating parts from French Wikipedia to have a more complete article. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 10:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bishkek riots

Article: 2024 Bishkek riots (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 29 foreign students, mainly from SWANA and South Asia, were injured in riots by an ethnic Kyrgyz mob in the Bishkek capital of Kyrgyzstan. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, DW, Arab News, RFE/RL, ET,
Credits:

 Ainty Painty (talk) 05:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for the same reason I opposed posting the mobbing of the plane that arrived in Dagestan, Russia from Israel. I don't think these events meet a notability threshold until people get killed or unless governments support them. And yes, I'd say the same if this happened in the USA or UK. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Unknown Temptation - these appear to be rather limited in scale, impact, and therefore notability. The Kip 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I would argue that large scale race riots are a rare and notable occurance with large social and geo-political consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 19

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RD: James L. Greenfield

Article: James L. Greenfield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 PGA Championship

Article: 2024 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the PGA Championship while setting a major tournament scoring record.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Altblurb if we want to highlight the major scoring record, although I know conventionally we tend to simply state the winner of these events. rawmustard (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not ready. The article is almost entirely tables, with far too little prose to feature on the main page. The 'criteria' section is also a confusing and poorly-formatted mess. Needs substantial work before it could be posted. Modest Genius talk 14:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose like most golf articles, spends too much time confusing readers about qualification criteria, and not enough prose about the event. As such, completely incomprehensible to a mainstream audience. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barely any prose. The Kip 20:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support when ready, but Oppose for bad article and lack of organization in it Sharrdx (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Otto

Article: Jim Otto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TimeNew York Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs Work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 Premier League

Article: 2023–24 Premier League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Manchester City, the defending champions, win their fourth consecutive Premier League title. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Manchester City win their fourth consecutive Premier League title.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Manchester City win the English Premier League.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In association football, the Premier League season concludes with Manchester City as champions.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Man City win the Premier League.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Updated with ITNR=yes as this is ITNR. Also added alt1, as "defending champions" is clear from them winning consecutive titles. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 17:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As per usual with these season articles, not enough prose. Which is understandable as they've evolved over a year. Black Kite (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't forget when making blurbs to actually include the article in question in bold. --Masem (t) 17:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment: should they not be called "Manchester City F.C."? 86.181.130.175 (talk) 19:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No. WP:COMMONNAME is "Manchester City". Black Kite (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But it is true that people that don't know association football that that's refering to the Football Club and not the city. We don't say "Kansas City won the Super Bowl" even though those into gridiron football know exactly what is meant. — Masem (t) 20:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, totes dude. How about: "English soccer club Manchester City F.C. win their fourth consecutive Premier League title. 86.181.130.175 (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Absolutely. ITN is currently explaining New Caledonia ("a territory of France in the Pacific") and Fico ("the prime minister of Slovakia"): a country-specific sports club deserves at least the same treatment. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We definitely do not say soccer when describing an association football club outside North America. -- KTC (talk) 21:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or Australia. But it's definitely not used for a UK story. We usually say "In association football, Manchester City win ..." Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why we say "In association football ..." I'm pretty sure that people aren't going to confuse a city and a football club, especially as the city isn't called "Manchester City" either. Black Kite (talk) 09:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As long as there's the "In association football" qualifier, we don't need to include the F.C. - it's a given that it's a football team. The Kip 20:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added alt2 based on previous year. -- KTC (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt2 article appears ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Summary section looks like WP:PROSELINE but that'll definitely not prevent this from being posted. There is no update on the final day though; the last update was about Brighton firing their manager, and Aston Villa being better than Manchester United (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready. The article is a bit underwhelming - mostly tables - but the 'summary' section does have enough prose to meet our minimum requirements. However it has not been updated to reflect the final outcome, with only the lead (and table) bothering to explain who won! That should be an easy fix. I've also added alt3, which follows our normal style; note that 'English' is not part of the league's name. Modest Genius talk 12:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There has been little improvement to the article in the last 24 hours, still not ready. Modest Genius talk 11:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt2 when ready As said before article is underwhelming but it's a good nomination. Sharrdx (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Raisi helicopter accident

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Article: 2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  In Iran, a helicopter crashes carrying president Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A helicopter carrying president Ebrahim Raisi and foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian crashes near Varzaqan in northwestern Iran.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Iran, a helicopter carrying president Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, provincial governor-general Malek Rahmati, religious leader Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem, and 5 other individuals crashes near Varzaqan, killing all on board; Mohammad Mokhber succeeds Raisi as president in an acting capacity.[citation needed]
Alternative blurb III: Mohammad Mokhber becomes the acting[citation needed] president of Iran after a helicopter crash kills president Ebrahim Raisi, foreign minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, and seven others.
News source(s): NYT, AP News, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominating since, even if they survive, the equivalent story in the U.S. would be notable enough to post. Davey2116 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if a helicopter carrying the PM of russia crashed it would be in ITN Lukt64 (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Raisi's definitive condition is known. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, so we can have a consensus to post asap. Of course the story (and blurb) should be updated once we have more information, but it is already newsworthy as is. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a very major news, although the status of the Iranian president isn't confirmed yet GodzillamanRor (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it is currently on headlines Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support A world leader may have just died, and is at least critically injured. Bremps... 15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we really (and officially) know what state the Iranian president is in. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Regardless of the outcome of the crash, reliable sources are reporting a potentially fatal accident involving a world leader has occurred. Would we wait to see if President Biden was reported deceased in a helicopter crash? Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, we would wait if that occurred. ITN is not a breaking news ticker, we want to report the best statement about a story so we wait. — Masem (t) 15:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is a very big news story. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This will be notable regardless of the outcome. Johndavies837 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support obviously notable enough to post right now Bedivere (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Of course it's going to be notable but I don't feel like it is up to spec to be on the front page right now. Wikipedia is not BBC or NBC. It is an encyclopedia and articles need to look like it. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support iff death of Raisi confirmed. Mjroots (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd say the airplane crash would still be ITN-worthy if the foreign minister died, or if the President were injured. Bremps... 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait the details are unclear and this blurb is therefore ridiculously vague. Give it 12 hours and more information about the crash. Then and only then will a sensible blurb be able to be written. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. C'mon gang. We know nothing here. If no one is dead this really ISN'T notable. Maybe someone is. But there really is no reason not to wait. If a high ranking figure in the Iranian government has died it will remain notable, I guarantee that. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - Doesn't matter whether he dies or not, a plane crashing with a head of state in it is definitely notable enough Abo Yemen 16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for now, Support if there are confirmed deaths Personisinsterest (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we have some confirmed details. Nigej (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for further details, per above. The Kip 17:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once his fate is known Braganza (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - it's possible it could take a long time for his helicopter to be found under current conditions, meaning that if we wait until we know what state he is in, it could take many hours. The event is still ongoing even if he hasn't yet been found. GreatBritant (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait we need more details, as what people have said above.
TomMasterRealTALK 18:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - For those saying 'once confirmed', I think it'll be too late. Iran has already suspended aerial operation due to the deteriorating weather, and rescue workers are saying that even if they somehow find the alive, the situation there is so bad they will really struggle to take them out.
Also the scale or impact of this crash is, in my opinion, comparatively massive; Iran is already preparing for Mohammad Mokhber to take charge.
Also to those who are saying 'not notable until somebody dies'- Fico isn't dead, then why was his news of being shot was in the blurb? Because he was (or still is) in the corner of the death (secondly, but firstly the incident was a shooting). If we compare, this may be not like that but the severity of this accident is now open and Raisi's whereabout is now totally unknown.
Another thing is, the accident also involved Foreign Minister Amir-Abdollahian and other senior officials, and as Iran is definitely passing a time with large gaps in the administration for a significant amount of time. Last but not least, it's about Iran. As the recent events in the Middleast unfolded, this type of incident is obviously notable and impactful. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Obviously notable" - the bigger issue is that this is still breaking news and information is changing rapidly (re. Grauniad live blog just saying there has been contact with a pilot and a passenger, indicating this is probably not an 100% fatalities crash)... If this just turns out to have been a "hard landing" as was claimed initially, it wont have any lasting impact or notability (since thats not temporary). 2605:B100:D42:8915:E9E1:90FC:668F:7128 (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For your kind information the Red Crescent has said that there is no sign life in the copter.
Also just like I said, if the US President was missing for 1 hour I'm pretty sure it would've been included in the blurb. Raisi was already feared dead, and even no fatalities is caused a helicopter disappearance including the President, FM, Governors of a country like Iran is obviously obviously notable and I still adhere to my point. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support—It's extremely notable (arguably, it's more notable than the Wagner Group plane crash and we put that in ITN almost immediately); plus, since there are have intergovernmental organizations preparing to provide support to locate the helicopter (or what's left of it), the fact that a head of state was involved in a "hard landing" incident is definitely something be mentioned in the ITN section. - MateoFrayo (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's pretty clear the president is dead, listening to Al-Jazeera - who said they couldn't report this, without further confirmation but it's extremely grim news. Nfitz (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait till we have a clearer picture of what's happened. This is Paul (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now as with Fico we do not need to know everything regarding the outcome of an incident to post it. Blurbs can be updated if needed. The crash is the major international news story right now. —LukeSurl t c 18:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. And altblurb respectfully submitted (if Sunak's chopper were to go down, we'd give the name of nearest village in Surrey; ditto Marine One and the relevant unincorporated town in Nevada). Moscow Mule (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like the altblurb, but having "Iran" only be all the way at the end might not be optimal. Although I don't see a clean way to have it before without repeating – using the province name East Azerbaijan would be more confusing and/or need Iran to be mentioned again. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right? Had it been any other province (other than West Azerbaijan, of course)... Maybe gloss him as "Iranian president", to get the reference to the country in sooner? Moscow Mule (talk) 21:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also now updated the image. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose We need to know whether he's alive. Oppose if he lived. Schierbecker (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Such an event (an helicopter crash involving a current president) is very uncommon. Dead or alive, this is definitely notable. Bedivere (talk) 22:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He's been "missing" now for about 18 hours. Even if he's fine, then this is notable. When was the last time a world-leader went missing after an air-crash? Though given the various reports and imagery - he's clearly dead. Nfitz (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no policy basis for not posting just because one aspect of it is unknown. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull The latest BBC bulletin (23:32) says,

    World awaits more information from Iranian authorities (Sebastian Usher)
    The difficulty with reporting on an incident like this in Iran is that we are reliant on information being released by a number of semi-official news agencies.
    Those agencies don’t always speak with exactly the same voice. You will see officials quoted, but quite often those officials will be at odds in what they say.
    What we haven’t had, beyond some general reassurances from Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, is a clear statement from the authorities of what they know in black and white.

    In the case of the Prigozhin crash, we waited about a day to post because of similar uncertainty. Per WP:RUMOR, "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We didn't post any of the uncertain information, just that the helicopter crashed, which no one actually doubts. The fate of people inside it is unknown, and that's why we haven't included it in the blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is governed by the policy that says it "serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." The blurb posting does that. WP:RUMOR is about the article itself, which is not in obvious violation of that guideline. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's half the guidelines for ITN (there is no ITN policy). The other half is article quality, of which an accident where the fates of the passengers are unknown is generally not yet of the quality due to the lack of missing information, even if everything up to date is sourced. Its why we generally wait for some type of finality on various topics before posting them. Even with the nature of one of the passengers being a very high level country official. That's why ITN is repeated stated not to be a news ticker. Masem (t) 00:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I stand by my comment. The line I quoted is the first sentence of WP:ITN and the most important one. The "quality" aspect is in the third paragraph. And the term "news ticker" does not show up at all. - Fuzheado | Talk 00:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All three points must be met for posting, not a selective choice. — Masem (t) 01:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I cannot see how this makes logical sense, given the third contention ("news ticker") is not even mentioned in the guideline. As for point two, just because a situation has unknowns does not equate to an article about the situation being low "quality." And the actual guideline says "based on a consensus... using two main criteria," so I'm not sure where the idea that "all three points must be met" is coming from. - Fuzheado | Talk 01:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:RUMOR is about Wikipedia as a whole. See also WP:NOTNEWS which states that "breaking news should not be emphasized". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is a very selective quoting of WP:NOTNEWS. That fragment is in the context of "enduring notability of persons and events" and is not general advice about excluding breaking news content simply because it is breaking news. In fact, when you consider the full sentence it reads quite differently and says: "breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information," which changes the meaning quite a bit. - Fuzheado | Talk 11:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with breaking news is that it's likely to be wrong. And that's what happened here. Yesterday, we blurbed nine deaths and today we are blurbing eight. This is not a miracle; it was an error. Per the iron triangle, "Good, fast, cheap. Choose two." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that I've tidied up the Hossein Amir-Abdollahian bio in case this is upgraded to a death, for which we would presumably bold that article. There was a whole bunch of uncited info in a list plus an orange tag; I've hidden the uncited content. I suggest that the Ebrahim Raisi bio is good enough should a bold link be required; there are three "citation needed" tags. Again, if there are concerns about that, we could instead hide the uncited content. Schwede66 23:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Presumably if Joe Biden was in an aircraft that crashed, it would be posted (and likely very quickly), regardless of whether or not he survived. I don't see why it should be any different just because this crash relates to the president of another country. Chrisclear (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Death of someone who is/was current head of government is worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 06:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now we have CNN reporting no survivors [3], and now is the appropriate time to post. We want until we have a result like this, not questions about the state of the survivors, regardless of country. --Masem (t) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iranian media is reporting no survivors, though now the Red Crescent has reported that information as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it were just Iranian media, we'd likely be a bit caution due to state media issues. CNN reporting what Iranian media are stating is far cleaner for this purpose. Masem (t) 03:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your concern, Masem. We never questioned the state of survivors; we reported that a helicopter crashed with a president and foreign minister on board. Schwede66 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We are capable of communicating uncertainty in blurbs, as are the reliable sources that ITN theoretically tracks with. Moreover, there's no criterion in WP:ITNSIGNIF that says all questions need to be answered before a blurb is posted. I would love if people at ITN could stop making up their own personal criteria (unique to each person!) and instead either go by the written standards, make a proposal to change them, and/or accept that IAR is a thing that applies to ITN like every other area of the project. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've had unspoken standards that have been challenged by newer editors to the ITNR process not by proposed changes but aspects like this. Our basis in the past is to wait until we have a firm understanding from RSes about a topic, and not when the primary issue at play was still hanginig in the air for a short period. — Masem (t) 12:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the standard you'd like to see, please propose adding it to ITNSIGNIF. Otherwise, it's not something ITN is bound by.
Also, per Schwede66 we did have a "firm understanding" of the topic here: a helicopter carrying a sitting president crashed. That is a story in and of itself. That we didn't know if that president was dead doesn't mean we didn't have enough to post. Same goes for posting Titan (submersible) before we knew if there were survivors, or for posting the attempted Wagner Group coup while it was in motion. Ed [talk] [OMT] 15:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RD and succession
  • Edit blurb to mention death since this now doubles as an RD — Knightoftheswords 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We might want to discuss an appropriate blurb first. Schwede66 03:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've been keeping an eye on this, anticipating that this would become a death blurb. But we do not yet have a formal announcement stating definitively that Raisi is dead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the death is confirmed, it seems by ITN/R we would also need to mention that Muhammad Mukhbar (or whomever Khamenei would appoint) is now the acting president. Also, I wonder if the other two wiki-notable people on board (Malek Rahmati and Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem) should be included in the blurb, or do they just go in RD; I'd lean towards including them in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 04:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For all of those reasons, and particularly the absence of a formal statement that they are dead, we need to have a discussion here, rather than an admin just amending the blurb. Schwede66 04:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that the Muhammad Mukhbar article was moved a few hours ago, and I suspect that will be undone. It needs the eyes of those who speak Persian and know their way around naming conventions. Schwede66 04:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This would not be a blurb if the only people on board were the other two, and we have limited space with a lot else to cover, so I would lean against mentioning them. Sdkbtalk 04:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once an official announcement is made, I think that both the president and foreign minister should be mentioned in the blurb along with whoever assumes the position of acting president. Alas, I probably will not be the one to update the blurb as it is after midnight here and I need to get some sleep. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're not allowed to go to bed until Wikipedia is finished! Sdkbtalk 04:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Iranian state media Mehr News says all aboard are dead. Reuters has quoted Mehr News and an Iranian government official. Jusdafax (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 3- Best worded blurb at this time. Jusdafax (talk) 05:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that "acting president" is an unreferenced statement. From what I've seen, it is expected that he will be acting president. Without a reliable source, this cannot be posted. Schwede66 05:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The NYT has reported that "Iranian law stipulates that if the president dies, power is transferred to the first vice president and an election must be called within six months. The first vice president is Mohammad Mokhber, a conservative politician." But, that isn't the same thing as a formal transfer of power. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      That may be so. But the acting part is still unreferenced in the target article. Schwede66 07:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • comment about the "acting part", aljazeera now says [4] "Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has confirmed First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber as the country’s acting president".46.222.205.14 (talk) 10:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment President of Iran is NOT an ITNR position (that's the Supreme Leader). So we don't need to worry about the succession issue, only the accident and deaths. --Masem (t) 11:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not correct. The president of Iran IS an ITNR position. WP:In the news/Recurring items#Elections and heads of state and government says that "Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government" going on to note that these positions are listed at List of current heads of state and government. Not only is the President of Iran listed as Head of government, so is the First Vice President, the Chief Justice, and the Speaker of Parliament (someone might want to review the two non-presidential government heads after the vice-president). This is similar to the UK where the Prime Minister is listed, along with the King, and some other Commonwealth nations, where the Governor General is listed along with King and PM. Nfitz (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The holder of the officer that administers the executive branch in Iran is the Supreme Leader. "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." per our article on the office. That's why the Supreme Leader is marked in green, they're the key control of the country and whom ITNR recognizes. Masem (t) 01:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He's the "key control" (head of state). They're the "triumvirate" (three-headed head of government). Above them all is God. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The president does not have full control of the executive, that is the Supreme Leader. The president is someone picked by the Supreme Leader to run the country under the S.L.'s directives (Raisi was considered to be next in line to be S.L. due to the current's age). So while the president may be the "head of state", they are not the person that "adminsters the executive" of Iran's government. — Masem (t) 12:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khameini, is the head of state. He is also one man, as opposed to them, the three heads of government. Mixing up pronouns isn't that bad, but now you've got the roles reversed, too. The head of state, as in Canada, doesn't touch the executive branch of the government. That's First Vice President Mohammad Mukhbar's job now. If we want to follow the standard ITNR rule, that means noting the change in executive administration to him from Raisi. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We have (best that I can recall) always gone by considering only those cells that are in green on the list of leaders as the ones that meet the ITNR criteria for changes of the the exec office holder, as those are considered the most powerful position in that govt. Those in white or blue do not meet ITNR, though could still be considered a ITNC. Masem (t) 15:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's foolish to believe in a colour code not based on any reliable source when you have Government of Iran#Executive telling you in plain English that you're mistaken. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From President of Iran "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." from Government of Iran "He is the highest nominally popularly elected official in Iran, although he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state.]]". President is primarily a symbolic position, the Supreme Leader holds the executive power. Masem (t) 16:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know why you think we're arguing about who's more powerful overall. We're arguing about who administers the executive. It should have been clear to you from the third word in your first quote, but from Government of Iran#Executive, again: Chapter 9 (Articles 133–142) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran sets forth the qualifications for presidential candidates and procedures for election, as well as the powers and responsibilities as "functions of the executive". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Who's more powerful overall" definitely matters. The Premier of China Li Qiang is the head of government of China, but he has no power compared to Xi Jinping. So I agree with Masem that the president of Iran (head of government), a lesser figure in the politics of Iran compared to the Supreme Leader, is not ITNR. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. - this is a grave misunderstanding of the politics of Iran, which is an authoritarian type of government. The purpose of the "green color code" is to define who is de facto in charge of administering the executive, and that person would qualify under the guidelines at ITNR. Natg 19 (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you know of an occasion when Khamenei exercised an executive power instead of or in spite of one of his presidents (beyond choosing them)? If so, that would convince me something de facto is afoot. Till then, I don't think I gravely misunderstand anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    [5][6] These news articles say that ultimate power rests in the Supreme Leader, not the president. Natg 19 (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ultimate power over his mortal inferiors and toward foreigners, yes. Executive, legislative and judicial powers, no; he chooses to delegate these. If you ask him, he'll tell you God is his sovereign. God, in turn, despite this conceded higher power, doesn't sweat the mundane daily state or government affairs, just who'll next reign supreme on Earth (or so the Experts have it). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am going to suggest we move this to the talk page. Masem (t) 19:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've boldly removed the rest of the Election Commission - I'm not sure if the VP should be shaded blue - it is constitutional isn't it?
  • Comment. Is it possible we can have a break in the discussion now? We've established notability has been met for the crash itself, but perhaps a separate discussion of if the presidential succession is warranted. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably link to death and state funeral like in others like Death and state funeral of Nestor Kirchner.37.252.94.207 (talk) 05:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Frank Ifield

Article: Frank Ifield (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian musician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. And, the last few sentences in the Career section are not related to his career and may be better merged into the Personal life section. --PFHLai (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Koerner

Article: John Koerner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Star Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American blues musician. gobonobo + c 18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Sourcing and article layout look fine. Jusdafax (talk) 04:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony O'Reilly

Article: Tony O'Reilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Irish businessman and international rugby union player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a large number of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mark Wells

Article: Mark Wells (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHLDetroit Free Press
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ice Hockey Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose pop culture and Career statistics sections are unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Nordstrom

Article: Bruce Nordstrom (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American billionaire businessman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Improper external linking in the body along with uncited statements. Bremps... 16:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support one cn tag but otherwise okay article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you Please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article could use a little more detail about his role at Nordstrom in the first 30 years; has a gap between the 60s and 90s. Some of the statements are a little vague/promotional leaning ("stores began to slowly turn around as the Nordstroms moved the focus back to employees" -- not sure what this means?) SpencerT•C 01:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alice Stewart

Article: Alice Stewart (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

if successful, give credit to HistoryTheorist as it is her logged out due to temporary computer problems 50.47.223.9 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk

Proposed image
Article: Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury for the unified heavyweight championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Ring of Fire match, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury by split decision to become the first undisputed heavyweight boxing champion in 24 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion with the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years.
News source(s): Sky Sports Yahoo News
Credits:

For the first time in 25 years Usyk wins the WBA, WBO, WBC and IBF world titles; Shadow4dark (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • DQ No article. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously nothing to evaluate until there's an actual article, but reading the sources, a key aspect here is that this fight was to reunify four different boxing championships in the last 25 years, so that probably should be very clear in the blurb and subsequent article. --Masem (t) 00:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: There is an article, Usyk was just spelled incorrectly in the template. Stormy clouds (talk) 00:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Things like this don't happen every day and are even more rarely commemorated by people like us; this article does not suck, it just needs time. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support/Oppose on Quality. I'm not one for boxing in general and do kinda think it's a joke now, but first undisputed heavyweight champion since 2000? Yeah, that's news, and from my layman's perspective, the one boxing story worth posting at ITN. Not sure the best target articles, but I do think Usyk himself, the match, and Undisputed championship (boxing) should be bluelinked. My quality ruling depends on the target article though - Usyk's article looks good, but a fight summary would be nice for the fight article. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. BD2412 T 02:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is lacking an update aside from the one sentence Usyk won by split decision.[1] in the lead. Nothing about the match itself is in the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but give some time for the the article(s) to be updated. I like DarkSide830 idea. I have added an altblurb to emphasize the rarity of this occasion. Bit wordy though. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. First undisputed heavyweight champion in a quarter of a century is notable even with boxing’s reduced stature, but the fight article needs expansion. The Kip 03:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have expanded the fight article, adding some rudimentary fight details, but it could be expanded a quite a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, Starship.paint and I have expanded the fight article. It could possibly be bolded too. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. The media attention says it all. Also, I recommend WP:ITNR for fights only to boxers who won undisputed titles, given the rarity of this achievment and the media attention lavished on such. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alternative blurb III. In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support and use Alt3, don't use the "Ring of Fire" one as it was just a marketing phrase (that practically everyone ignored). Black Kite (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Narayanan Vaghul

Article: Narayanan Vaghul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Business Line (India) Economic Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian banker. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Bud Anderson

Article: Bud Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vintage Aviation News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support World War II flying ace, seems sourced enough (no idea about truth), short but not stubby; he was 102. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article appears in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Fly high, king. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bud Anderson#Awards needs sourcing, please. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't know if there's a place online you can just look up what awards a serviceman has, but a couple of sources that were in the article backed up some of his unsourced awards. Added in-line refs for the two Legions of Merit, five Distinguished Flying Crosses, sixteen Air Medals, and the Croix de Guerre. Some of the others, like the World War II Victory Medal and the European–African–Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, would be self-evident from the years and locations of his military service, which are referenced elsewhere in the article. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pat Buckley (priest)

Article: Pat Buckley (priest) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Catholic bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 59th Academy of Country Music Awards

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Article: 59th Academy of Country Music Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 59th Academy of Country Music, Lainey Wilson Wins Entertainer of the Year award. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
Heatrave (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose less than 200 words of prose. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not ITNR and not globally notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, not notable enough for ITN (there's a reason it's not ITN/R) and not enough prose as well. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Not notable globally and fails ITNR. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily !voting in support, but an annual event like an awards show that happens not be listed on ITNR doesn't mean we cannot have it as a valid blurb. Just that one does have to demonstate where the significance of the event on the larger scale should be to post it (such as how The Game Awards have been handled in the last few years, not an assurance). I would agree that the Country Music Awards is far too niche given we already post the Grammys which had its own country music awards. — Masem (t) 21:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose reigonal at best Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not that influential awards event and also article is in not a good state. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack

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Article: 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An attack on a police station in Johor, Malaysia by a suspected Jemaah Islamiyah member had left 2 police officers and the perpetrator dead, and 1 officer injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Today
Credits:
A rare attack in this country. Last major activity by/of/on terrorists in the country was in 2015. See Terrorism in Malaysia#War on Terror and Islamic extremism. – robertsky (talk) 09:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting story, but not significant enough for ITN. There are no obvious larger implications linked to this specifically. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose it does not look like it will have long term implications. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Attack is not internationally significant enough to warrant an ITN post. Tofusaurus (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Jaye Robinson

Article: Jaye Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jaye-robinson-dead-1.7207554 https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-city-councillor-jaye-robinson-has-died-her-office-says/article_811bdf7c-144d-11ef-82c5-bf6c86d4587f.html
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Toronto City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose Political career section is mostly election results without much about what Robinson accomplished in her role (outside of 1 sentence: "Alex Bozikovic, The Globe and Mail's architecture critic, described Jaye Robinson as "furiously anti-development".) SpencerT•C 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dabney Coleman

Article: Dabney Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Well known actor. Unfortunately the article suffers from the usual shortcoming in citations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrinceofPunjab: Could you please take another look now? Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've been working on the citations in the article since his death made the news. Several other people have also contributed. Since starting several days ago, the number of unique references has increased from 31 to 68 references and the total number of citations has increased from 39 to 112. Before the news broke, there were 26 unique references used across 39 citations. Also, every listing in the filmography and awards sections is now cited. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 New Caledonia unrest

Article: 2024 New Caledonia unrest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Protests break out in New Caledonia, a territory of France in the Pacific, over voting rights changes. (Post)
News source(s): NPR AP The Guardian
Credits:

Protests going on in New Caledonia. Not sure if the scale of the protests qualify for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mild support lets see how things go for a bit first Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Protests are gaining in both scale and attention, and the article is well-developed. The Kip 04:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the news is getting a lot of international attention. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Fascinating and well-written article, looks very appropriate for our feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, flare-up in protests that is definitely relevant enough for ITN, bringing up the question of New Caledonia's independence once more. Article is also up to quality. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support - Only getting larger and larger, riots have turned fatal, entire territory in chaos atm. Pretty major news. My only problem is that I don't think the article is quite good enough for an outline of the protests; only two paragraphs in the article are about the actual unrest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Notable and article looks good. I assume It'll only grow more (the article, hopefully not the protests). mike_gigs talkcontribs 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedSchwede66 20:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • New Caledonia should be wikilinked in the posted blurb, as it was in the nomination. LukeSurl t c 14:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why? Schwede66 19:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Where. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Or, for those who don't "get" quips, locations of events are typically seen as rather central to the story. If linked, it would avoid a need to spell out the whole post-comma, elaborately geopolitical taily-do. Of course, those who don't get quips probably don't see why brevity's "cool", either. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know we don't generally follow our parent section's examples (blurb or RD), but I like how Current Events May 18 has it today: The death toll from the protests and riots in New Caledonia rises to six people. Link the place, boldlink the P&R, Bob's your uncle. Just a suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposal to edit the text to "Protests break out in New Caledonia, a French territory in the Pacific Ocean, over voting rights changes". Any of the phrases "Ocean", "in the Pacific Ocean", and "a French territory in the Pacific Ocean" could be removed and I would be okay with that. But mainly the point of the proposal is to separate the phrases "Protests break out" and "over voting rights changes" since I think the sentence sounds clearer that way. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support change, also "a French territory" is more natural than "a territory of France". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 07:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Breaking the protests and their subject into two clauses at opposite ends of a sentence doesn't flow well at all. Stephen 08:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah no. The current wording is much better than the way it was originally written in terms of flow. The "a territory of France" bit is arguably not even required, and readers should be able to get to the meat of what the hook is saying without stumbling over that I'm the middle.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right, we don't normally describe what or where a region is. Stephen 08:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) EU investigation of Meta Platforms

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Article: Meta Platforms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Commission has opened an investigation into Meta Platforms over concerns of child safety. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian AP News Yahoo! Finance
Credits:
--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The EU, the FTC, and others have investigations open against Meta and many other big tech firms over various practices. Should a significant finding and penalty come out of those, that would be the time to post, but not at the start of any such investigation. --Masem (t) 12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merely starting an investigation. If they're convicted of something, or get a huge fine, maybe we can reconsider. Also, the update to the article is one short sentence, giving no more information than is in the blurb, so even if this was important enough there wouldn't be enough encyclopaedic material to post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The BBC report says that it's not just Meta,

    A number of big tech firms are now under investigation for potential breaches of the EU's tough new Digital Services Act ... their algorithms, may stimulate behavioural addictions in children, as well as create so-called 'rabbit-hole effects'," the EU said announcing the investigation. Rabbit-hole effects refer to the propensity of algorithms, when a user looks at one piece of harmful content, to suggest more of the same.

    Sounds just like Wikipedia. I can give it up any time I want... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please point to the algorithm that has been created in software by the WMF that suggests other pages to look at. We have curated links and See Alsos by editors but that's clearly not what EU is evaluating. — Masem (t) 16:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the level we require for ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose maybe if it gets banned but not now Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The Kip 04:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sumatra flash floods and cold lava

Article: 2024 West Sumatra floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 62 people have died and 25 are missing after flooding and a lahar in Indonesia's West Sumatra province. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, The Guardian, Al jazeera
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eddie Gossage

Article: Eddie Gossage (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A longtime auto racing promoter from Texas who has recently died from cancer. Article recently promoted to GA. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • tc) 03:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Katherine Porter

Article: Katherine Porter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American artist. Obituary published 15 May. Thriley (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

almost ready Bibliography section needs just a bit more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Please have a look at your convenience. Ktin (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Darren Dutchyshen

Article: Darren Dutchyshen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TSN, CBC, Yahoo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian sportscaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Technical Oppose Succinct, sourced and (from what I remember on TV) essentially true; he was 57. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there any sort of Oppose besides technical for RD? Bremps... 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Between you and me, no (not technically). But if I'd just plain Opposed, I'd have looked like the jerk delaying this till Victoria Day. This way, the system catches the heat (as it should) and I come away looking like the sort of guy who respects the rulebook. That kind of thing comes in handy for a voter or potential nominator, and getting "thrown under the bus" does nothing to effectively hinder the ITNQUALITY machine (it's all smoke and mirrors). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Sourced and tagless. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:STUB at 1390 B (228 words) readable prose.—Bagumba (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support meets the bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slight Support Wish we had something about early life, but I don't see anything else holding it back. Bremps... 15:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now 295 words of prose. Anything else to add? Any WP:RS for his previous marriage with three kids? That would make this wikibio comfortably in start class, imo. --PFHLai (talk) 23:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedSchwede66 09:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kamla Beniwal

Article: Kamla Beniwal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today, Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Governor of three different states in India, amongst many other things. Not ready yet (orange tags and citations needed), but it looks like editors are working on improving it. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose two orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Article has a lot of unsourced parts and neutrality is disputed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Shooting of Robert Fico, Prime Minisiter of Slovakia

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Article: Attempted assassination of Robert Fico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Prime Minister of Slovakia Robert Fico (pictured) is hospitalised after an assassination attempt (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Developing story, incident will likely have dedicated article soon. Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, was shot in what appears to be an attempted assassination. He has been hospitalised - at present his situation/prognosis is unclear. LukeSurl t c 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) edit: changed target article to recently created Shooting of Robert Fico. --LukeSurl t c 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Regardless of what happens next, a prime minister getting shot is notable enough to blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but the one-sentence update is insufficient for posting. We should wait for more details to come in.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the article is further developed now. Details are slowly arriving as well.ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This incident is noticeable, because it is a head of government being shot, which should never happen, but is notable enough to blurb.
TomMasterRealTALK 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability as the page isn't fully done yet but hopefully once more depth is added it's ready. A head of state or government getting shot is notable enough for a blurb. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait at least a few hours for details to emerge and a proper article to be written. We're not a breaking news service, an encyclopaedic article needs to be developed first. This absolutely merits a blurb, but the shooting was only an hour ago and we don't know the outcome yet, let alone the details of what happened and why. Modest Genius talk 14:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but details are still emerging and article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle but wait at least a few hours per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for a few hours then Support This is certainly making headlines but the article should probably be developed more before we add it.-FusionSub (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait for expansion. LiamKorda 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it easily meets notability--a head of government being shot. But wait for the full details and any updates, as Fico is reportedly in a life-threatening condition. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "what appears to be an assination attempt"... so is it an assination attempt?
CheetasOnMission (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality has evolved past stub and is in acceptable condition to be posted Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll post this when the lead is longer than one sentence and we source fewer tweets. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - article looks ready. User:Muboshgu, the lead is now 3 sentences and lots of references. No tweets jump out at me. Nfitz (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good given the sources that are out there. I'm sure it'll get expanded once more is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Braganza (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gudrun Ure

Article: Gudrun Ure (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish actress best known for Super Gran. Article is a stub and needs expanding, which I shall make a start on now. Edit: better now, still a little short but there's enough there. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until the page is expanded and more depth is added, then it'll be ready. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I can't see that there's an issue with this one now, so I've marked it ready. Black Kite (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Russian Kharkiv Offensive

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Article: 2024 Kharkiv offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A second front opens in the Russo-Ukrainian War, as Russian forces invade Kharkiv Oblast.
Credits:
Ok, I know, I know. This is ongoing, however the new Russian offensive is front-page news on almost every site. My main argument is that we posted events in the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive, and this new Russian offensive has taken just as much land as Ukraine did last year, and is the first time a new front has opened since the invasion in 2022. It's a significant development in the conflict that warrants a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as what seems to be a major turning point in the conflict. I'll note that it has been argued by some to be a feint to divert Ukrainian resources from Donetsk, but the extent of the operation makes me doubt that. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing, and it's too early to tell if this is going to be a major development. Now, if Kharkiv falls, I'd support that as a significant development. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even if this is covered by ongoing it still is a major development. Lukt64 (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because this is already covered by the ongoing item. I warned that such a major escalation that would warrant inclusion might happen one day when nominating the ongoing item for removal last year. It was better to remove then and re-post a blurb followed by a move to ongoing, but there was simply no support for it, so let it be as it is now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now since although it is a major development and a turning point in the war, it is already covered in ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. If the Russians capture Kharkiv, that would be worth a blurb. At present this is just the beginnings of a long-anticipated offensive (not a 'second front', given there are several already), so can be left to ongoing. Modest Genius talk 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting this will open a floodgate. Soon stories about ISreal-Gaza war will be nominated then there will arguments that this was nominated and there will some who will say this was different. So, in order to avoid that it is best to not post this. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a new front in the war opening in Southern Lebanon, for example, would be very much blurb worthy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip 15:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing. LiamKorda 16:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) PM of Singapore

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Articles: Lawrence Wong (talk · history · tag) and Lee Hsien Loong (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Lee Hsien Loong, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb II: ​ After ruling for nearly twenty years, Lee Hsien Loong resigns and Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore
Alternative blurb III: ​ After nearly two decades, Lee Hsien Loong resigns as Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured)
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Singapore, Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister when Lee Hsien Loong retires.
Alternative blurb V: Lawrence Wong (pictured) becomes Prime Minister of Singapore, succeeding Lee Hsien Loong, who becomes Senior Minister of Singapore.
Alternative blurb VI: Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as Prime Minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, AP News, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Could not quite figure out how to word this blurb in the best way. Lee Hsien Loong has ruled Singapore for nearly twenty years and his successor, Lawrence Wong, is taking over today. Figured highlighting both extensive articles because of the rare transfer of power in Singapore. --Classicwiki (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support blurb II , Important to note that Lee Hsien Loong has been in power for many years User:GodzillamanRor (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2024 UTC [refresh]
  • Support The articles seem ok. I've added a blurb with two features: mention Singapore at the outset, to establish the context. And use the word "retire" rather than "resign" as this change seems to be mainly age-related. Two other points which would be hard to fit in are that this seems to be the end of the Lee family political dynasty and that the succession seems to have been stage-managed rather than being an open election. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose alt 2 - because the Singaporean prime minister is not a ruler. Original blurb or alt blurb are OK, alt 3 and 4 are OK too if edited for grammar. Banedon (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 & ALT6 main, ALT1 & ALT2. Oppose any blurb with the "resigned/retired" wording (revised position, whatever Starship said below makes sense to me). S5A-0043Talk 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to add that this should only be posted after 8PM Singapore Time (12 noon GMT+0/8AM EDT), as the swearing in will only be taking place at that time. S5A-0043Talk 08:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Officially sworn in: [7][8]. S5A-0043Talk 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 I find the Alt burb 3rd to most correct. PrinceofPunjabTALK 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Lee has definitely not "retired", he is now a Senior Minister of Singapore. That makes "resigned" misleading as well, as he is still both an MP and Cabinet member. "steps down" is more appropriate, being used by AP, BBC and Reuters above, and by Singaporean media as well. Proposed ALT5 and ALT6. starship.paint (RUN) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, "steps down" is fine. My concern with the word "resign" is that it carries connotations of failure or scandal and that doesn't seem appropriate here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed with you as well. LHL was still an MP and part of cabinet (as Senior Minister). There was no indication of retirement nor resignation, and the explanation was also justified. Sculture65 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT6; Oppose ALT1, ALT2 and ALT4 - This one was very appropriate in context, compared to the other five. And I also agree on each other comments as well that PM Lee had not retired from politics either; it's just only becoming Senior Minister instead and had not ruled out of retirement. Also, congratulations to him as well, best wishes to him. Sculture65 (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment (also opposing ALT3 and original) - Resignation is not the right word either; if that was resignation, it refer to exiting the parliament or office, and it can be confusing to readers if that word was used without proper clarification. Step down is a more proper, appropriate verb in this case. Sculture65 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and suggestion - Just go with that ALT6 and with this point blurb, it was rather making more sense and proper. It also shows that PM Lee still remain as cabinet and MP and Lawrence Wong assuming PM-ship. I have to oppose original, ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 (because of the word resignation), as well as ALT4 (again, PM Lee did not retire). ALT5 was a bit too long though. Sculture65 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT5 and ALT6 as they are the most appropriate in context. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT6 gets my vote. However, the next Singaporean general election (an ITN/R event as well) will be held no later than November 2025, which will be more significant than this change of leadership. – robertsky (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with any of the blurbs CheetasOnMission (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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