Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Dina Boluarte in 2022
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How to nominate an item

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.

Please do not...

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
  6. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways:

  • For simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section.
  • For more complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent, that should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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The Game Awards

Articles: The Game Awards 2022 (talk · history · tag) and Elden Ring (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In video games, Elden Ring wins Game of the Year at The Game Awards. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Recent discussion on ITN talk page showed this wasn't yet considered ITN but needed more nominations as to judge that. Awards show just finished so some of the reception to the show itself are yet unknown. Masem (t) 04:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question Should we mention the whole Bill Clinton thing? I mean, it was pretty unique, and I believe the Oscars debacle when they announced the wrong movie first was also mentioned on this page back when it happened a few years ago. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 04:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, the guy was arrested as a show disruptor. "Nothing to see here" Masem (t) 04:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nothing to see here sounds like execatly the type of censorship Wikipedia should steer to avoid tbh 5.44.170.26 (talk) 04:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do we blurb about streakers in a World Cup Final? NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — Good faith nomination, but the Game Awards is not a notable event on the likes of the Emmys or the Oscars. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Significant awards show that is certainly in the news. Kafoxe (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. I'd argue The Game Awards are far more notable than the Oscars and Emmys nowadays—far more viewers, at least. It was posted last year too, so there's precedent. – Rhain (he/him) 05:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support We posted The Game Awards last year, and the event tends to get significant media coverage within 24 hours of the event. Given the event ended an hour ago, it's probably too soon to judge media coverage. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Brittney Griner and Merchant of Death exchange

Articles: Viktor Bout (talk · history · tag) and Brittney Griner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​After being arrested in Russia for carrying cannabis oil, professional US basketball player Brittney Griner is released in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​American basketball player Brittney Griner is released from Russian custody in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.
Alternative blurb II: ​American basketball player Brittney Griner and Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout are freed via a prisoner exchange.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63905112
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major prisoner exchange, in the news. Griner is one of the biggest players in women's basketball, and Viktor Bout is infamous as the Merchant of Death, and even inspired the film 'Lord of War'. Will probably need work on the articles, right now just a few paragraphs on either one. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@PrecariousWorlds, Jayron32, WaltCip, Curbon7, and Masem: Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange has now been created. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Both articles are in good shape, story is being covered by major news sources. Checks every box. --Jayron32 19:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Jayron32. Not going to let this one get SNOWed out, as it's absolutely newsworthy. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    SNOWed? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment We don't need sensationalist nicknames like "Merchant of Death" in the blurb. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's the name that he's commonly referred to as, so I thought it was notable enough for inclusion PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Just "arms dealer" is sufficient. We need to keep the blurbs neutrally worded. Masem (t) 20:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agreed, I'll remove it from the blurb. Thanks for bringing this up PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Blurb too intricate. Streamlining needed. Curbon7 (talk) 20:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Support ALT2 As the most clear-cut. Curbon7 (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in general, but I would just say "US basketball player Brittney Griner is released from Russian custody in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout". BD2412 T 20:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think why she was arrested is valuable information PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    People can read the details in her article. The exchange would be notable no matter what crime she had been convicted of. BD2412 T 21:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Should the deal be a separate article? As there is also discussion related to Whelan's non-release. --Masem (t) 21:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
* Support
Per all the supports above. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 ☎️ 📄 21:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Previous blurb ideas have ignored the fact that they were both "released". I'd propose "American basketball player Brittney Griner and Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout are freed via a prisoner exchange." -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, but only if we include what they were each convicted for, and we place the emphasis on Bout as the more significant release, rather than the current emphasis on Griner. BilledMammal (talk) 22:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There's no space or reason to include their convictions. We know that the punishment that Griner got was far worse than the crime, but when you include them, it clearly implicates the non-neutrality of their inclusion. Masem (t) 22:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I would tend to disagree that Bout is the more significant release, after sitting in various prisons for 14 years. BD2412 T 22:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The nomination does not list a specific article for this event and it's such a bizarre deal that we seem to need a good explanation. As I understand it, there are about a million people in jail in the US for cannabis offences and yet a special deal is done with Putin for this particular user!? And this involves letting go a major criminal known as the "Lord of Death". Is truth just stranger than fiction or is there more to this than it seems!? Anyway, as we are not a celebrity news ticker, we need an encyclopedic article to justify an entry here. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Andrew Davidson: Good point. Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange created. BD2412 T 23:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • That was quick. But the article says nothing of Prince Mohammed bin Salman who, according to the BBC, is claiming the credit for brokering the deal, which took place in Abu Dhabi, just like a spy movie. The White House and Saudis don't seem to agree on the facts of the matter. Is the deal actually written down somewhere, like a treaty? It's a shame John Prados is dead (see below) as we need someone like him to ferret out the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @Andrew Davidson: If you have sources handy for adding the Prince's claims, please feel free to do so. BD2412 T 23:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
          • The BBC report is the one news source listed in the nomination. It says, "According to a joint Saudi-UAE statement, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman played a leading role in mediation efforts, along with UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan. ... But the White House denied any mediation had been involved. "The only countries that negotiated this deal were the United States and Russia,"" So who do we believe and why? Andrew🐉(talk) 23:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • We have run lots of news stories where the subject (the two individuals here) rather than the "story itself" are the bold link. Like when we bold link the winners of awards when the award is ITN/R. That cannot be a serious reason to oppose. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Well covered, but likely lacking any long-term impact. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not all that big of a deal in the ordinary affairs of state. Might be notable enough for an article, but not for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Major news covered in variety of sources -- as sources noted, the exchange is somewhat unprecedented in the imbalance of what they were each held for, which adds to notability. Articles are both detailed and up to Manual of Style standards. -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Andrew and others. not really “major news” enough for ITN and w/ very international coverage. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Is this an EC covered topic or not, may i comment or can it be removed on a whim? Seems somewhat adjacent to a certain topic area that shall not be named but not quite? What is the deal here? 91.96.166.33 (talk) 23:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per various above, including Rauisuchian. I think keeping the blurb simple is best, prefer alt2 at the moment. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per reasons above. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ALT1 or ALT2 (but linking Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange). This has been a major story of the non-localized aspects of the Russo-Ukrainian War, and will likely go down as one of the most prominent prisoner exchanges in American history. As always, moral outrage over a hook's context should play no role in deciding whether the hook is posted. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 02:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Celine Dion diagnosed with Stiff-person syndrome

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Celine Dion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Celine Dion has been diagnosed with Stiff-person syndrome (Post)
News source(s): Instagram
Credits:

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 12:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - We've gone through similar stuff in the past, and the article contains only one sentence about this. Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong oppose Not the purpose of ITN. Curbon7 (talk) 12:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong oppose. Lots of notable people get diagnosed with diseases all the time. ITN is not a celebrity news ticker. Modest Genius talk 12:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posting on MainPage negative news about a living person with no impact on the rest of the world? Please don't. --PFHLai (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - This is arguably someone's private medical information. It's scarcely our business at all, much less front-page news. And practically speaking, we have a very full Recent Deaths feed. Even if it was in any way desirable to post celebrities' diagnoses, the flood of them would be overwhelming. We're certainly not doing it as blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't expect a diagnosis of an illness would ever be ITN material, unless perhaps the entire act of diagnosing the illness was itself notable. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Strong oppose - Per above. We aren't a celebrity news outlet, and this is someone's private medical inofrmation, as Genevieve pointed out. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This is not being covered outside of celebrity news., if at all. The only source provided by the nom is an instagram post. Which is to say, there is no evidence that reliable sources consider this significant enough for us to post it. --Jayron32 13:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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RD: Johnny Johnson (RAF officer)

Article: Johnny Johnson (RAF officer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UK Aviation News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Last surviving member of the Dam Busters RaidMjroots (talk) 11:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Weak Oppose While Johnson was a member of a prolific air raid and deserves a mention in Wikipedia RDs owing to the fact that he's the last-surviving member, the article itself lacks many references in his 'Early life and education', 'Royal Air Force' and 'Post-military career' sections, if that can be fixed then I would deem this ready to post. UberLordMetagross (talk) 16:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: Article has multiple citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 23:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Germany coup d'état plot

Article: 2022 Germany coup d'état plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​In Germany, 25 far-right terrorists are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot led by Prince Heinrich XIII. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​In Germany, 25 far-right terrorists are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot led by aristocrat Heinrich Reuss.
Alternative blurb II: ​In Germany, 25 far-right terrorists are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot
Alternative blurb III: ​In Germany, 25 members of a far-right group are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot led by aristocrat Heinrich Reuss.
Alternative blurb IV: ​In Germany, 25 members of a far-right group are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot.
News source(s): NYT, BBC, CNN, NPR, CBS News, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Yet another bizarre coup d'état attempt. It was foiled before it got off the ground but it's getting significant coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose A group of delusional extremists were arrested. Notable enough for an article, but not significant enough for the front page - if the group had accomplished anything other than being arrested then it would be different, but they didn’t. BilledMammal (talk) 00:48, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I would argue that limiting ourselves only to disasters and successful coups would skew ITN but also penalise the efficiency of the German authorities for foiling the plot, and I would submit that this is not a good precedent. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      We shouldn't put up this story just as a "thank you" to the German authorities though PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Agreed, however the chances of such a plot being discovered early on before a coup is mounted in e.g. Burkina Faso are much slimmer than in Germany; and vice-versa, Burkina Faso is much more likely to suffer a successful coup than Germany. We should acknowledge such sensibilities if we are to be balanced and global. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        That is true PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom, per BilledMammal. Fringe wackos arrested for plot that had zero chance of succeeding. Yeah, it's WP:Notable. But not THAT notable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I mean, the J6 insurrectionists had no chance of success either, but IIRC they were in this slot around a year ago... Maximilian775 (talk) 01:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That was an actual attempted coup d'état, incited by a sitting POTUS that involved the storming of the US Capitol Building by thousands of insurrectionists. There is no comparison. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fair. To be clear, I mean to draw a distinction in degree, not in kind, and in no way want to minimize the severity of J6. Maximilian775 (talk) 01:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Except that they did almost succeed at capturing Mike Pence. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support While nothing happened, this is what Jan 6 would have been for Germany. Add the mass law enforcement involvement to take in 20-some individuals and that makes is more than just stopping a wacko group. --Masem (t) 01:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I feel like "would have been" is important here—it wasn't even attempted, so saying "if it did happen it would have been really big" is irrelevant—if it actually did happen it wouldn't be comparable.
    That's more of a devil's advocate thing though; I support posting this on ITN. DecafPotato (talk) 04:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Still, this was nowhere near as large as Jan 6, and even if they hadn't been caught, it's very likely this wouldn't have spiralled out of control like it did in the Capitol PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per BilledMammal. Encyclopedicly relevant, but ultimately all that occurred was a number of arrests. Obviously using it as as hard and fast rule may not apply in all cases, but I think this event suggests an event that may have ended up somewhere how January 6th did, and while the established plot to create a coup is noteworthy, the failure of the plan to even begin makes it much less so. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Oppose per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:26, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: an attempted coup d'état to overthrow a democratic government is significant. There was an armed faction so the intentions were supported by realistic means. Prefer option 2, or add "self-styled" before prince, since such have been abolished over 100 years ago. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Planned, but not attempted. BilledMammal (talk) 03:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Support. Clearly important but also unusual. Really shows everyone that our way of live, our liberal democracy itself is at stake here!!! 5.44.170.26 (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Neutral Some fringe nutcases planned a plot. Bad? Yes. Any chance in succeeding? Hell no. Comparisons here to J6 are flawed in one critical way: during J6, insurrectionists literally occupied Congress. However, it would be hypocritical of me to oppose this while also advocating for more blurbs to posted overall, so I will land in the neutral column. Curbon7 (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Abcmaxx's well-stated argument has convinced me to support this posting. While this was just a hairbrained plot, the scale and legitimacy of the plot (i.e. the involvement of a former MP, a hereditary prince, and several military figures) is significant. Curbon7 (talk) 12:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I like ALT3 or ALT4, as the most streamlined. Curbon7 (talk) 22:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: its significance is very clear. The related page is also in good shape. If it would be in other countries, it would be posted. Egeymi (talk) 07:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: The incident significant enough and important for the main page. It was a serious plot and faced a strong intervention by the police. --Mhhossein talk 07:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support alt blurb Article is good to go and this has become a big headline in the continent. Not on the same level as the self-coup attempt in Peru, but still significant enough to be posted. Vida0007 (talk) 08:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    EDIT: Changing my vote from alt blurb 1 to support alt blurb 2 per WP:BLPCRIME as brought up by SoWhy below. Vida0007 (talk) 13:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Nowhere near as important or relevant as the self-coup in Peru. It was just news for one day. Vpab15 (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not convinced that this plot is significant enough. As others have said - if this actually went ahead in any meaningful way I would have supported, but I'm looking at the big world news websites and not seeing this story reaching the front-page significance of, for example, the Peru item. Sam Walton (talk) 09:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The Wall Street Journal put the German plot on its front page instead of the attempted coup in Peru. 2601:204:D400:7310:24F3:76FD:3681:C088 (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb without name. Largest such conspiracy in recent history. Covered in major news sources around the world. I would support a blurb without mentioning Mr. Reuss though per BLPCRIME. Regards SoWhy 10:43, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support these aren't just random people with ultra-extremist views, like National Action in the UK for example, with no hope of ever achieving their goals. They were royals, judiciary figures, MPs, people in the military and people linked to the Kremlin. They posed a real and credible threat. I also supported nominations a while back previous attempted assassinations (e.g. Argentina) and coup attempts (e.g. Guinea-Bissau) and they are significant in that they change the world we live in, both in real terms and perception. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Looking deeper into it, I'm shocked at just how many significant individuals were involved. That's enough to make this notable for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Significant political conspiracy - as much for the involvement of an AfD politician as for the titular prince. Front-page news here in the UK. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. A group of plotters have been arrested before they took any actual action. That's it, no obvious wider implications. This seems notable enough to merit an article, but not significant enough for an ITN blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Suppory without indivual's name'. A notable event. Yes, fringe wierdos, but a substantial number of them with the apparent capability to do real damage. Article is in good shape. Individual shouldn't be named in blurb as per SoWhy. --12:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Support A good article, and a great example of how our collation of reliable sources results in a more clear and complete narrative that is truly useful to the reader. Significance is sufficient. 75.188.228.163 (talk) 12:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Added altblurb2 further to several comments opting to not have Reuss' name in the blurb. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, in large part because it's the best newly-written article for ITN I have seen in a long while. Goos example of the type of article that makes sense to feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:43, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Leaning support with original blurb - Minor conspiracy, didn't amount to anything, but is making the news everywhere. The operation against the perpetrators is the largest in German history apparently, so I think it's enough to go up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article is in good shape, reliable news sources are covering the story at a level that grants this significance. Checks every box. --Jayron32 13:18, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - No, it wasn't the Beer Hall Putsch or the Kapp Putsch, but anytime this happens in a country where the government has been stable for decades, it's absolutely noteworthy.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong oppose on the blurbs. All three blurbs label the 25 as terrorists, yet there is no mention. of a terrorist attack. Just think about the ones who have gone through real terror. In the sources provided, suspected members and supporters of a terrorist organization or terrorist network or of a terrorist threat is spoken about. Coup plot ok, terrorists no way.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's being overly pedantic, reliable sources describe the group as "terrorists" and a "terrorist network" and a "domestic terrorist organization" and similar language. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. One does not actually have to succeed to be a terrorist. It's a statement of intent, not of success. --Jayron32 15:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    In addition, this appears to be how law enforcement treated the scenario, giving them the necessary powers to an operation that big. Masem (t) 20:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Jayron32 All your sources report on Suspected, not actual terrorists. Maybe MOS:TERRORIST will help you. To make of a suspect a terrorist on the Wikipedia main page even before they were put on trial...of course I oppose this.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This was a crackpot plot with no chance of taking control of the German government. There is no evidence there was going to be military support from neighboring nations nor that there was broad support for it among the public. Thriley (talk) 15:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I will probably support if instead of "terrorists" it said "individuals" or some other neutral term. It's best not to assume anything about these individuals until the proceedings are over. Otherwise, I think the event deserves a mention in the news section.--Ideophagous (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not this again. We're not a court of law. We're not trying these clowns. If RS call them terrorists, we can and should call them terrorists. We don't need to wait for a court, if we have a reasonable range of news media. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that's not how it works here, that's never how it has worked here. See WP:BLPCRIME. We never assume the RSes are right in this instance. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There's a significant difference between January 6 and this. For one, January 6 involved storming the US Capitol. I don't think we would have posted a plot that didn't involve destruction of property or loss of life. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support inclusion as news event. Major reporting in numerous sources across the world. Germany's law enforcement treated it as a very severe and significant plot as is reported in international sources. Wiki article is detailed enough to link to on front page, could be expanded in detail. -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong support per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose -- for the same reasons that I would oppose posting a similar event that happened in the US. No, January 6 is not at all the same, since that actually was an armed mob attempting to overturn the results of an election, and resulted in destruction of property and deaths. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Peruvian self-coup d'état attempt

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Article: 2022 Peruvian self-coup d'état attempt (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: President of Peru Pedro Castillo attempts to dissolve the Congress of Peru, resulting with his impeachment and detention (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​A constitutional crisis grips Peru.
Alternative blurb II: President of Peru Pedro Castillo is impeached as president by the Congress of Peru after the Constitutional Court of Peru rejected his dissolution of congress.
Alternative blurb III: Dina Boluarte is sworn in as President of Peru after Pedro Castillo attempts to dissolve the Congress of Peru, is impeached and detained
Alternative blurb IV: Dina Boluarte is sworn in as the first female President of Peru after Pedro Castillo is impeached and arrested following his unsuccessful self-coup d'état.
Alternative blurb V: ​After a failed attempt at dissolving Congress, Peruvian President Pedro Castillo is impeached and detained and Dina Boluarte is sworn in as the country's first female president.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Wall Street Journal
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Very notable incident occurring; President Castillo of Peru dissolved Congress and the Constitutional Court of Peru ruled this as an attempted coup, so they ordered the military to remove him. This may need some clean up since it is developing and some branches of Peru's government may soon not exist. WMrapids (talk) 18:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Peru politics going off the rails. Must be a day ending in Y This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:50, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Self coup, seems like a big deal. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait until article is improved This is more than the dissolution of Congress. According to Castillo's announcement, a Constituent Congress has been convened, the judiciary and the Public Ministry will be "reorganized", a curfew is imposed... a full-fledged self coup. I would wait for the article to be expanded further. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. Seems a significant self coup, but the first reports were just two hours ago and the situation remains unclear. Give it some time for information to emerge and the article to catch up. Modest Genius talk 19:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment The impeachment vote in the Congress of the Republic of Peru has just passed with 101 in favor. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, though it is likely to be moved to a new title, given that this is part of a broader political crisis, the article is sufficient in length, depth, and level of referencing, and the topic is being covered by reliable sources. I have no problem posting this on the main page. No problem waiting a day or so for the article to stabilize a bit, but even in the state it is in, it's quite a good Wikipedia article already. --Jayron32 19:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment A lot has happened:
  • The military is now opposed to Castillo
  • Congress removed Castillo from office
  • The Vice President Dina Boluarte is set to take her oath of office in about an hour
  • Title of article was updated accordingly due to these events
Support alt blurb III - Crazy news, highly notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually change this to alt blurb V, III could be confused for saying Dina Boluarte was the one impeached and detained. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:05, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whew, that was a lot...--WMrapids (talk) 19:11, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait Until whatever the heck is happening to be cleared up, then post the result. Curbon7 (talk) 19:14, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support obviously. I've added an alt blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait for further developments. This is a rapidly changing story as of this writing. Vida0007 (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Hence the alt blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Post-posting support for the current blurb (which is a modified version of alt blurb 5). Was going to change my stance after seeing the alternative blurbs but this event has already been posted a few hours ago. Nevertheless, I support this, as this is a major political event in Peru (and South America). Vida0007 (talk) 08:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Castillo has been arrested. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Keep waiting - We're not through with this yet.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Castillo is arrested and impeached. Seems to be done.--WMrapids (talk) 20:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • In that case, oppose the current blurbs. The blurb should focus on the change of the head-of-state to Dina Boluarte, as this was not a successful coup.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

oppose , and work on the blurb with something on the lines like Dina Boluarte takes office succeeding Castillo who attempted a coup...Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment Alt blurb 3 is now up regarding Dina Boluarte becoming president. Also, "Dina Boluarte October 2022 (cropped).jpg" could possibly be used as well.--WMrapids (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb number IIIParadise Chronicle (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support but wait; considering how many unknowns exist right now, I am not a fan of any of those blurbs. We should know a lot more about this rapidly developing situation in the coming hours.--JohnHawkinsBois (talk) 21:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I know this has already happened, but I feel like we need two separate blurbs here, even if they relate to the same event. I think wrapping the ascension of Boluarte and the impeachment of Castillo are events that should be isolated into their own blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ITN/R now, of course. I agree with DarkSide830 that this is a lot of detail to put into one blurb. Is there precedent for a two-sentence blurb? Davey2116 (talk) 22:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Qualifies under ITN/R and article covers in sufficient depth. I support blurb IV blurb V (Edited, prefer the newly added blurb since it reads chronologically). --Pithon314 (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support alt blurb 5 Article is in good shape. --Vacant0 (talk) 22:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on significance (have not reviewed article quality). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support alt blurb 5 Significant development in the country's politics, definitely worth posting. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, preferably with alt blurb V (or is that too long?). Quality is acceptable. Moscow Mule (talk) 23:51, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted (modified) Alt blurb 5. Removed the bit about Castillo being arrested as though referenced, at least one reliable source is saying it's unclear if that actually happened or not. -- KTC (talk) 23:59, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Swiss Federal Council election

Article: 2022 Swiss Federal Council election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Albert Rösti and Élisabeth Baume-Schneider are elected to the Swiss Federal Council, the government of Switzerland. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Albert Rösti and Élisabeth Baume-Schneider are elected to the Federal Council, Switzerland's collective head of government
Alternative blurb II: Albert Rösti and Élisabeth Baume-Schneider, succeeding Ueli Maurer and Simonetta Sommaruga, are elected to the Federal Council, Switzerland's collective head of government
News source(s): Swissinfo
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I'm interpreting this as an ITNR case of "change of head of state or government" because the 7-member Federal Council is the collective government and head of state of Switzerland. In practice, the election of new members is the politically significant and widely reported-on election, because incumbents are generally reelected until they resign, and the office of President of Switzerland is a strictly ceremonial office that rotates annually among the seven Councillors.  Sandstein 10:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - Article is of good quality, change in government for a major power. Looks good. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:13, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In this case, change in government = a Cabinet reshuffle. Joofjoof (talk) 11:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a bit more than an ordinary cabinet reshuffle in Switzerland though, as the cabinet effectively functions as the collective head of state. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:43, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question if this is significant because incumbents are generally reelected and we have two new people, then shuoldnt the blurb include mention of who they are replacing and if they resigned vs lost re-election? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, are these two new members giong to be immediately the (rotating) head of the 7? or will they take 'office' in 6 and then 7 years time? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The two are part of the Federal Council after their election. The rotating head is elected each year and in a separate election from within the 7 Federal councilors. And the president is only the president of the Federal Council, not Switzerland. Maybe worded too simply. The presidency doesn't hold such a valor in Switzerland as in other countries. The Federal Council is more a consensus kind of Government.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • SupportParadise Chronicle (talk) 10:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose (1) The Federal Council is indirectly elected by the Swiss parliament, with each seat already reserved for a political party. (2) This is only a by-election for 2 seats. Joofjoof (talk) 10:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC) Weak support in light of responses. Still, I agree with Modest Genius' comment below - partial Council elections should not be considered ITNR. Joofjoof (talk) 00:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ITNR does not require a popular election. (Many heads of state or government are not, in fact, elected in any meaningful sense, but merely seize power.). As explained above, in the Swiss system, the by-elections are the elections that are of political significance, not the general elections, counterintuitively. Sandstein 11:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    To clarify, the issue is that the Federal Council is equivalent to the government Cabinet in other countries. Have we previously posted when new ministers are confirmed? Joofjoof (talk) 11:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The Swiss system is unique in that the Cabinet (the seven ministers) are also collectively the head of government and head of state; they are not subordinate to another officeholder such as a prime minister or president. Sandstein 12:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Except it isn't really. The Federal Council serves as a small-size cabinet (only 7 members), but it is also a collegial presidency (decisions are taken by consensus or internal vote, not by a prime-minister). Furthermore, once elected, members cannot be removed until the end of their four-year term and are usually re-elected until they step down; this is more akin to heads of states than ministers. Finally, this is the first change in composition since 2018 (in four years), meanwhile the UK saw 4 prime ministers in that time range which (I suppose) all had their blurb. Julio974 (Talk-Contribs) 12:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Either the change of the presidency or the by-elections should qualify. Politically relevant are the by-elections. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would argue that 1. Many heads of governments are elected by the legislature as well (British PM or German chancellor for example), and 2. It's still the first seat change since 2018 (four years), and here two seats were changed at the same time (more than average). The last regular elections in 2019 actually saw all councillors re-elected handily (with only a minor challenge against Cassis), and it might happen again in the next one in 2023, so this could be the largest change in the executive of Switzerland in maybe five or six years. I'd argue it counts. Julio974 (Talk-Contribs) 12:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article is sufficient quality, news sources covered the event sufficiently. --Jayron32 13:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support. Firstly, I don't think this qualifies as ITNR. Switzerland is (almost?) unique in having a collective head of government; ITNR would therefore apply to replacement of the entire council (which I appreciate doesn't happen in practice). It seems silly to apply ITNR to every change to the council membership. This issue only applies to whether the event is ITNR though, we can still consider it as a non-recurring event.
    Only two of the seven members were affected, the replacements had to be from the same parties, and there was no direct involvement by voters. So this isn't a very competitive or popular election. But I take the point that it's equivalent to the indirect elections of other heads of government. Whether replacement of 2/7ths of the head of government is sufficiently notable is a borderline judgement call. At normal times I might have said 'no', but we're in need of new blurbs - the most recent is a week old. The article is merely adequate, not great - it could do with some more prose on the results/reactions, and on the policies of the candidates. But it does meet our minimum requirements. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 14:41, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I should note that being listed on ITNR is not specifically a requirement to post any item. I know this is claimed as an ITNR posting, but we're also allowed to post things just on the merits of the specific nomination, without asking for pre-approval from ITNR. --Jayron32 19:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That is exactly the point I made. We can still consider this as a stand-alone nomination. Modest Genius talk 20:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article is good enough. We posted the UK prime minister changes, and I think this is of a similar significance. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support This is good to go. Vida0007 (talk) 19:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose blurb per my questions above, perhaps a rewrite to "Rosti and Schneider are elected to the SFC, replacing X and Y who (resigned/stepped down/lost re-election)" or something like that - but content is probably fine QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:45, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work Copy-editing is required. For example, the first sentence has the ungrammatical “were be held”. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:03, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson I am a bit surprised by this comment, where exactly do you see were be held? What word count? Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's the very first sentence, as I said. "By-elections to the Swiss Federal Council were be held..."
    The second paragraph has the sort of tense errors which are typical of articles started in anticipation of an event, "only SVP candidates are standing for Maurer's seat and only SP candidates stand for Sommaruga's"
    I could go on but the point is that the article needs careful, line-by-line proof-reading.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 21:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Ahh you meant the article and not the blurb...Thanks for the explanation. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - and to be clear, I would support a similar blurb for other partial changes of collective head of state or government. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: I am really glad to see the page nominated for ITN! I wrote some of it in a rush and I apologize for the mistakes, I re-read the page (@Andrew Davidson:) and corrected them as well as added even more information as well as aftermath, reactions, and added more journalistic sources; the article still needs information on the attribution of federal departments (which will happen in the next few hours as I'm posting this). I think this page would also greatly benefit from being re-read and sourced by a german-speaking wikipedian. Julio974 (Talk-Contribs) 12:04, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hold until further improvements can be made to the article's quality. Cheers. WimePocy 16:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's a very vague !vote. What improvements would you like to see? Modest Genius talk 17:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

China Covid Policy Changes

Article: Chinese government response to COVID-19 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​After a series of large protests, China rolls back many of its strict zero-Covid policies, allowing infected patients to isolate at home rather than in government facilities (Post)
News source(s): BBC News - China rolls back strict Covid rules after protests, CNN - China scraps some of its most controversial Covid rules, in significant step toward reopening, Sky News - China relaxes COVID rules even further, in sign it is preparing its people to live with the disease
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This is a significant change in the largest country's policies and should replace the current blurb about protests, as it is the implied result Pacific26 (talk) 08:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose The nominated article is orange-tagged, has no relevant update in its long lead and is not linked in the proposed new blurb. Maybe the existing blurb should be updated with this new development but this proposal needs work. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Leaning support - The protests are basically over, so having the resolution of the ordeal put up might be for the best. But, as Andrew said, article needs work. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:10, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not to suggest that everyone in China is happy with this outcome, and that there won't be protests in the future, but generally, it looks as if this is the end of this specific chapter of Chinese politics. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:16, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Andrew above. Article quality is not good enough for main page. If someone wants this posted, they are going to need to do some work to bring it up to minimum standards. --Jayron32 13:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless a better target article can be found. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:10, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Genevieve. Article is well-sourced but only a small sub-section of it (the "2022 outbreak" one) talks about the most recent COVID policy changes; another target article (most likely the 2022 COVID-19 protests in China) would be better. Vida0007 (talk) 13:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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RD: Jan-Åke Edvinsson

Article: Jan-Åke Edvinsson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): International Ice Hockey Federation
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recent death of former general secretary of the International Ice Hockey FederationFlibirigit (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Attention needed) Boeing 747

Proposed image
Article: Boeing 747 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The final Boeing 747 (prototype pictured) to be built rolls off the assembly line at Everett, Washington, United States. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: After 52 years in production, there will be no more 747s built. The end of an era. Mjroots (talk) 10:36, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment: I know I’m an aviation geek myself but I’ll stay neutral for now, at least until someone gives a more compelling argument on either side. To be honest if we post an ITN for this, it may also set a precedent for end of production for other less prominent things and well, just create a butterfly effect. But also given how iconic the 747 is in the world of aviation for the past 50 years it also seems worthy to post an ITN too. SBS6577P (talk) 13:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC) Reply[reply]
Changing my opinion to support per arguments by 331dot, KTC, SounderBruce etc. SBS6577P (talk) 10:38, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, article is FA quality, most major news sources are covering the story. Checks every box. Would be proud to direct readers to this article. --Jayron32 13:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This isn't like Boeing's last plane ever, just of this model type. Not a significant news topic. --Masem (t) 13:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    "This model type" is arguably the most well-known and iconic passenger aircraft ever made. Tube·of·Light 08:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - seeing global coverage and notable within the relevant field. I don't think this should set a precedent for posting less prominent production ends, but products around this level of popularity should see some recognition. As an aside, I think it should use a more modern photograph than one from 1980. For example, File:Qantas Boeing 747-438ER VH-OEI at LAX.jpg is from 2010. Quite a few to choose from in this category. Anarchyte (talk) 13:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Anarchyte: the choice of image was deliberately made to avoid favouring any one airline over all the others. Mjroots (talk) 16:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support – Feels good to feature an FA. I would like a bit more writing about how and why the 747 ended production, but this is good as it stands too. Article seems recently updated in general, with data for last month as well :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Not relevant news. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. Not that significant in the grand scheme of things.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    oppose per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Is most news significant in the grand scheme of things? Does the earthquake in West Java have any lasting impact beyond being a tragedy, for example? 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 18:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    One of the issues here is that this is a commercial entity, and thus giving Boeing that type of focus does feel a bit promotional, which we should strive to avoid. As noted by OP, this would suggest other major EOL of commercial productions should be included. This is different from saying, for example, NASA launching the last shuttle mission, as that is not a commercial element. Masem (t) 20:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Good faith nom, but not that significant. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - If this is not posted, then it gives further proof to the principle that it doesn't matter how excellent or well-updated an article is; if it doesn't meet the arbitrary significance threshold, it will never get posted to ITN. So I don't know why people ever thought that article quality was somehow a mitigating factor that would allow less significant items to be posted.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 18:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Second this. 331dot (talk) 20:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. End of a long period of production of an iconic aircraft. ITN is getting to the point where nothing is being posted and that's sad to see. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Per 331dot.--Pithon314 (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support blurb, no comment on article quality. The 747 is a aircraft design that's iconic, extremely recognisable worldwide, and the end of something that's part of the airline industry for a very long time. No, we shouldn't post every EOL products, but I think this one is significant enough to be an exception. -- KTC (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support one of the most iconic airplanes in the world. Article is an FA. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose it's one product of one company. If we post this, we should also post e.g. Microsoft discontinuing Windows 7. Banedon (talk) 03:17, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Windows 7 didn't last for 50 years. HiLo48 (talk) 03:37, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did we blurb the discontinuation of Windows XP? It would've definitely qualified for a blurb in my eyes, but I recognize that the end-of-support for that was a rather gradual process. I don't know if it had as clear a (symbolic) end as the discontinuation of a physical product like the 747. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We didn't post end of support for Windows XP [6], and neither did we post the end of support for Windows 7 [7]. Banedon (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Windows is still produced, just not Windows 7. It's like the difference between the first version of the 747 and the last one(the 747-8). 331dot (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You could equally argue that Boeing planes are still being produced, it's just not the 747. Banedon (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Microsoft produces other software too, that's not the point. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Chrisclear Who is advertising anything? The aircraft is no longer being produced. No one here is saying "Buy a 747 now before they're gone!". They're already gone. That's the whole point here. Are you saying that any mention of any sort of product is barred from ITN? 331dot (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The company that makes the 747 plane is the company being advertised/promoted. As noted by others, the company is still making planes, just not this particular model. Just as a change in Windows version should not be posted to ITN, a change in plane model should also not be posted. Chrisclear (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Chrisclear I don't see where it says "buy Boeing planes" or "Boeing is a great company" in the blurb, maybe I missed it. This isn't just some random model of plane, which is why it's hit the news. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So simply mentioning a company is now advertising? The Kip (talk) 16:08, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia does advertise. We routinely use sponsored, commercial names for sports venues rather than the official, usually geographic names, even though the latter would be far more useful to readers. HiLo48 (talk) 10:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's an issue to discuss with the venue, not us. WP:COMMONNAME as well. In many places(mostly the US I guess) the sponsored name is the official name. Mentioning a name is not advertising any more than mentioning "HiLo48" advertises HiLo48. In any event, that's a side issue compared to mentioning a product, which is apparently barred from ITN now. 331dot (talk) 10:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm obviously referring to places where there is an official name that mentions a location, and a sponsored one that doesn't. This is quite common around the world. Wikipedia inevitably uses the unhelpful, sponsored name. HiLo48 (talk) 23:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can't advertise something that will no longer be produced. Completely fallacious argument. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. End of an era as mentioned above. Regards SoWhy 10:37, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - No wider repercussions - Boeing is still in business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - The end of an era with not-insignificant implications for the future, in a world where 43.5% of commercial airliners are Boeing aircraft. Not incidentally, it means we can link to a featured article on the main page. What's not to like about that?--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Neutral Truly the end of an era but also agree with GenevieveDEon. This would have been more ITN worthy if it is the final flight of the 747, but it isn't. Personally, I can see this being more qualified for the DYK page. Vida0007 (talk) 13:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's so far in the future jet fuel might be all-biofuel by then. The 747 will probably fly for decades and maybe fly last for a 3rd world airline poorer than the airlines who buy new planes (even some of the 3rd world airline planes were bought from Boeing or Airbus). Late stage jetliner model is anticlimactic, they try not to fly passengers with them even in countries where life is cheap. Maybe sometimes they have no other choice than to do it occasionally for logistics reasons but if it's cargo at least only 2-3 people will die if they crash and if it's a charter flight at least the passengers knew what they were getting into and traded an older plane for cheap tickets. Eventually even that has to stop cause after a certain number of pressurizations and depressurizations the plane can burst at altitude. This happened in the 80s I think (short Hawaii to Hawaii flights all day for many years). Many feet of ceiling just disappeared, hundreds of miles an hour sea level-equivalent wind, instant fog, a flight attendant blew out and fell miles to their death. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Supportwhile we have a lack of ITN suggestions... Its a beautiful image.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support End of an era. One of the most famous aircraft of all time, and certainly one of the most important. The Kip (talk) 16:08, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support End of the line for an iconic aircraft and the chance to showcase an FA quality article.Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support It’s the end of production for an incredibly influential airplane. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Per Blaylockjam10. TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cristina Fernández de Kirchner jailed for corruption

Article: Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Vice President and former President of Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner is convicted and sentenced to prison for corruption. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article is not ready owing to generally scant and dated coverage of subject's numerous legal problems. I am posting the nomination in the hope of drawing attention to the article's shortcomings by someone with a reasonable command of Spanish and access to Argentine news sources who can improve the page. This is huge news in Argentina and South America more broadly. But the coverage of her legal problems in the article has been so poor that I am seriously questioning the article's status as GA. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support once updated/improved Former head (and current VP) of a G20 state heading to prison is certainly a notable-enough event for the FP. The Kip (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I can see how this is huge news in Argentina. Article is in an ok state, updating aside, though that one “unbalanced viewpoint” tag should be looked into. Juxlos (talk)
  • Comment: There is an important thing to clarify: the trial had this result, right, but there will be an appeal once the full sentence is delivered (we got the important part today, but the judges must still clarify a lot of technical details before the case can be formally closed). Until those appeals are over, in many years, CFK will not be serving time in prison. If this is newsworthy, it will only be because of the sentence itself. See here Cambalachero (talk) 03:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    At ITN when dealing with highly prominent criminal cases, we typically post convictions, not sentences. In this case the sentence was more or less handed down with the verdict, so I included it with the nom. We do not typically hold off posting a conviction based on the likelihood of an appeal. In fact, I can't remember a single instance of that happening. All of which said, the article quality as it relates to coverage of CFK's legal issues is so poor (as of this comment) that if I were voting, I'd oppose my own nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The Guardian reports that "though she is unlikely to serve any prison time soon as she has immunity due to her government roles and is expected to launch a lengthy appeals process that could take years." So, this is an ongoing situation rather than a done deal. And, in any case, the nomination states clearly that quality is lacking. BTW, notice that we're blurbing Anwar Ibrahim as the new Malaysian PM. That politician was actually jailed due to accusations that some say were politically motivated and just a show trial. The legal system is a political weapon in many places and unpicking the details to get at the truth isn't easy. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:32, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. The conviction is not an ongoing situation. We do not wait for appeals to be exhausted before posting a conviction. If the conviction is tossed, that can be posted too. A former head of state and current officeholder being convicted of a crime and barred from public office(as many want to do with Donald Trump) is significant, even if it is later thrown out(which is likely years away). 331dot (talk) 10:21, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Pretty big event, sending shockwaves through Argentina and South America. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Article has a an orange tag in the "Image" section that needs fixing. Article mentions nothing about the case except a single sentence on the conviction. I would expect a significant several paragraphs covering the investigation, the charges, the trial, and the conviction. If this is going to be posted on the main page, it needs a lot of work. --Jayron32 13:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose on article quality. The conviction of a former president (and current vice-president) on serious charges is significant, and 6 years is a serious sentence. Conviction is the relevant point for ITN to post - we don't wait for all possible appeals. However, the article has three orange-level tags on it, and contains very little information on the case. The 'legal charges' section seems to be referring to the early stages of this case, but in future tense and has no information on the result. The entire update [8] is two near-duplicate sentences, containing no more information than is in the blurb. There needs to be at least a full paragraph of referenced prose, and the orange tags need to be addressed, before we can post in ITN. Modest Genius talk 17:58, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - We have precedents of posting convictions of former heads of state, including Peru's Alberto Fujimori, Israel's Moshe Katsav and Liberia's Charles Taylor, to mention some. Furthermore, Cristina is incumbent Vice President, which makes the news ever more relevant. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Highly notable conviction. Article is updated and ready as well.BabbaQ (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Per above, notable conviction of a significant figure. Article appears to check out. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:42, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Very high-profile conviction and the article is okay, although there’s currently one subsection that has been orange-tagged. Vida0007 (talk) 08:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Coverage is insufficient in the article at this time. Significance qualification is met. 75.188.228.163 (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Mills Lane

Article: Mills Lane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Of Tyson/Holyfield and Celebrity Deathmatch fame – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Shrug - The article looks to have been updated. I'm just not sure whether or not it's the level of detail we would expect to post something to the Main Page.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    WaltCip, what do you mean by this? Curbon7 (talk) 14:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The article is rated start-class in four Wikiprojects, and stub-class in a fifth. So it's difficult for me to tell if this is a stub or not, and we generally don't post stubs. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The article is not a stub, and has been reassessed for all WikiProjects. Flibirigit (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: Article has multiple citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Indonesian extramarital sex ban

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Article: No article specified
Blurb: Indonesia unanimously passes legislation banning extramarital sex and cohabitation. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, Sky
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Quite a significant event of human rights being removed, one of the causes of the 2019 riots finally making it to law. Widely reported. Tractor Tyres (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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December 5

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Business and economy

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RD: Kirstie Alley

Article: Kirstie Alley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unsourced filmography, we know the drill – Muboshgu (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support - Highly accomplished actress, a true joy on Cheers, Veronica's Closet, and many film roles. Filmography now fully sourced and updated. A few other subsections still needs sourcing, but the article overall looks good and I support it.--SitcomyFan (talk) 06:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I would remove the DWTS tables, as those season show pages summarize all performances. But the Awards table still needs citations. Masem (t) 13:21, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I removed the DWTS tables, I know we have a significant reality TV editor contingent on here, but they get WP:UNDUE. Awards table is the last thing to fix up. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I have sourced parts of the award table; finding list of nominations is hard, as the awards are old, some no longer exist, and some lists just include winners, such as Saturn Awards. Where can I find sources for these? If sources can't be found, should the awards without sources be removed? Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 23:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I got the Saturn Awards sourced through Newspapers.com. The others I can't source. I've never even heard of "Viewers for Quality Television ⋅Awards", whatever that is. Can we consider this one good enough? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I think it looks good enough. There's only a handful unsourced now, mostly obscure awards, can either be left as is imo or removed and added to talk page for insertion later if/when sources found. Will see what others say but that's my opinion anyway. Good job on sourcing the others. SitcomyFan (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: Article has multiple citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    For some second-rate awards that we can't find sources for. Not everything needs to be sourced for an ITN RD article, this should be good enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 4

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Nick Bollettieri

Article: Nick Bollettieri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted Tennis coach. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob McGrath

Article: Bob McGrath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor who portrayed Bob on Sesame Street. Citations definitely seem like they need some work. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support - Well known and accomplished. Filmography now fully sourced.--SitcomyFan (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: Article still has two citation needed tags, and other citation errors. Flibirigit (talk) 12:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've sourced one of these and as things stand there are now no CN tags or other tags in the article. There is one minor citing error I'm not sure how to fix but I'm sure another editor can. I also added some sources to some other sentences that weren't tagged but just extra sources I found. I could not find a source for one cn statement so I removed it and added it to talk page so it can be put back if a source can be found. I'm sure it's true as it corresponds to facts stated in other sources from RS like Washington Post but as I couldn't find a source that actually stated it, I erred on side of caution and removed it. If you notice any other major issues with the article let me know and if I have time I might tackle it again. SitcomyFan (talk) 13:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Citation errors have been fixed, and there are no other issues. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support: Ready, no concerns remain. Flibirigit (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Sam Walton (talk) 09:38, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Patrick Tambay

Article: Patrick Tambay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Race-winning Formula One driver, thus lots of coverage in RS, should anyone wish to update it further. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support A part of the amazing set of drivers from France in the early 1980s and a two-time Grand Prix Winner. Article may need more references but seems good enough to publish in my opinion Crecy1346 (talk) 16:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems good enough to me now with the references. I would say that it is good enough to publish now. Crecy1346 (talk) 15:49, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support He was a prolific F1 driver in his time and won several GPs. The article needs just a few more references but he's a well-respected figure in the world of motorsports and deserves a spot. UberLordMetagross (talk) 1:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 01:31, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Many thanks! UberLordMetagross (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) B-21 bomber unveiled

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Article: Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Northrop Grumman unveils the U.S. Air Force B-21 Raider stealth bomber (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is only the second stealth bomber to become operational. This is the first strategic bomber since the B-2 Spirit was unveiled in 1988. Article requires updates. Schierbecker (talk) 05:42, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The plane has not "become operational" – it's still in development, has not even flown yet and is not expected to enter service for years. This "unveiling" is not really news because the project has been ongoing for years – it's just a PR stunt – a photo-op. And we still don't have much detail because the details are classified. And the general background is not new. I started another article over 7 years ago – Renovation of the nuclear weapon arsenal of the United States – about the long-term program which started in the Obama administration and has been continued by subsequent administrations. The new bomber is part of the nuclear triad, which is also not new; it's a long-standing strategy. Even the name of the plane is not new – it harks back to the Doolittle raid. Hidebound militaries always love refighting the last war by clinging to obsolete weapon systems but what we see in Ukraine is that cheap drones and missiles are what works best now while manned aircraft, ships and tanks have not been effective. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Wikipedia is not a forum for product advertising or PR. Chrisclear (talk) 10:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see that it's any more notable than a new type of ship, train or even car. Black Kite (talk) 12:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose we wouldn't post a new Chinese service rifle or a new French tank. Juxlos (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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December 3

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Volodymyr Kozhukhar

Article: Volodymyr Kozhukhar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): suspilne.media
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ukrainian conductor, who worked in both Moscow and Kyiv as opera conductor and academic teacher. He headed the Kyiv National Opera from 1989 to 2011, and took the company on tours to Canada and Japan, besides many European countries. Article was a stub. I had to rely on translation programs, - please double check, but some refs are in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Quentin Oliver Lee

Article: Quentin Oliver Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Playbill
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Broadway star. --SitcomyFan (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Prados

Article: John Prados (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prados was called a “Master of Uncovering Government Secrets.” Death announced 3 December. Thriley (talk) 06:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Needs work The name is familiar as a prominent designer who worked on games such as Rise and Decline of the Third Reich. But the article currently says little of this. Paging @BOZ and Guinness323:. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:53, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks for the ping. I wasn't familiar with him, and his article barely touches on his career in game design, but aside from his likely most successful game Third Reich, BGG says he has quite a few credits. I started the article for Spies! if not others. BOZ (talk) 12:06, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I would also think to ping @GreenC, @BD2412, @Paulturtle, and @Jclemens to see if they have any insight. BOZ (talk) 15:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Gamers Guide to Third Reich which I had back in 1986 had an opening article of Designers Notes (probably written by Don Greenwood but I don't recall). It said that Prados' original design was division-level, making it "an exercise in finger dexterity". Besides bringing the scale up to corps (or Soviet armies) the developer also had to "water down the airpower to manageable proportions". So although some of Prados' concepts - BRPs, quarterly turns, armor exploitation - remain in the game to this day, it had required significant development to get even the First Edition to press, before we get onto the subsequent redesigns (Third Edition 1981, A3R in 1992) which were mainly fixing historical realism problems (Prados disliked A3R and produced his own rival version in 2001 - I have a copy somewhere but have never actually played it). I've no idea how common this is for game designs.Paulturtle (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have expanded his work as a historian as well as added a new section on his wargaming. Obits appeared in both New York Times and Washington Post.Guinness323 (talk) 02:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Andrew Davidson how about now? BOZ (talk) 05:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Guinness323 has kindly made some substantial updates and with good sources like the obits in the NYT and Washington Post, we're good to go. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support after improvements. BOZ (talk) 16:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: Article has multiple citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 21:17, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Flibirigit, I don't see any. In which part of the article are those? BOZ (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The citation needed tags were resolved since my post. Please see the edit history of the article. There is still one unreferenced section to source. It is also unnecessary to ping me. Flibirigit (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The unreferenced section issue has been resolved. Guinness323 (talk) 23:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Kolbe

Article: Jim Kolbe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Not yet ready for the usual reason – Muboshgu (talk) 23:42, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Non-oppose Actually not in too bad a state source wise, I only see a few spots in need of help. The article is also pretty holistic as far as his career. Not good enough for support, not bad enough for oppose = non-oppose. Curbon7 (talk) 07:51, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's better now per WP:HEY. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Al Strobel

Article: Al Strobel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor, well known from Twin Peaks (original series, film, and revival series) and also appeared in other films and roles. -- 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:A9C6:477:DAB7:8F4B 23:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Najma Hameed

Article: Najma Hameed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Nation
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:22, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Afzaal Ahmad

Article: Afzaal Ahmad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:19, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

December 2

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime


RD: Jharana Das

Article: Jharana Das (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Ollywood actress and journalist --SitcomyFan (talk) 14:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose Article is not up to ITN standards in regards to article length and quality, as of now. Cheers. WimePocy 17:00, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose: The article is still a stub. Flibirigit (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Issei Sagawa

Article: Issei Sagawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 16:25, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support One cn tag and one unreliable source tag, but neither are for any particularly controversial information. It's good enough for the main page. --Jayron32 16:28, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: The "In popular culture" section needs more sources (or trimming). --PFHLai (talk) 15:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The "In popular culture" section has been fixed by Silent-Rains. The wikibio still has a few {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:54, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Three {cn} tags remaining, plus one {unreliable source} tag. Please add more REFs. -PFHLai (talk) 04:14, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not ready: As per above, multiple citation needed tags remain. Flibirigit (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Sight & Sound poll

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Nominator's comments: Poll has been running since 1952 and is considered to be the litmus test for film culture. Over 1600 film makers, critics, curators and academics took part in this one. Article is listed for deletion, but I believe easily meets notability. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Should the above be reopened now that the article has been scrubbed of its copyright violations? -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support to reopen (also support to post ) Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support to reopen. I'd like to see this posted, and it's probably good enough to post, but it would be nice if the article was a little bit longer. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Re-Opened. --PFHLai (talk) 20:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality issues. The list article process is under 5k of text, and there's nothing to describe why these lists are important beyond "a bunch of critics named them". While the film article is better, the list article doesn't explain why this choice is so relevant/important. --Masem (t) 21:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality issues. No prose in the main text, just lists. --Tone 21:39, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. I fail to see the significance of a re-rating of [mostly] the same movies every once in a while. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, on notability. There are hundreds of "top 100 movies of all time" lists, and this list is just as obscure as the rest of them. In particular, there has been almost no coverage of this event in major news sources. Nsk92 (talk) 00:42, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Has anyone here actually seen this supposedly greatest movie? Notice that it does not appear anywhere in this previous poll of polls. Having got the gist of it, it's easy to see why it's the sort of movie that people walk out of. The joke seems to be that the audience is made to suffer over three hours of dreariness to make them appreciate how stultifying domestic chores are. Today's TikTok generation would soon be on their phones or out the door unless you forced them to watch in the manner of A Clockwork Orange (right). Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This movie was listed 51st on 2012's list, and has always been listed highly by "BBC's the 100 Greatest Films", "TSPDT's 1,000 Greatest Films", "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die", etc. I had heard of it as a film buff, but hadn't seen it because, yeah, it does look like a difficult movie to watch. It didn't come out of nowhere, but it's indeed not a pop choice. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Has anyone here actually seen this supposedly greatest movie? For what it's worth: yes. I watched it back in 2018. It was actually showing in a small cinema in the city I lived in at the time, and a fair share of the audience was young people (though of course there is some selection bias since these were people who paid to watch the movie in the first place). The reason I decided to watch it is that it appears on the 1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die list, sure, but it's not that obscure of a movie. TompaDompa (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
10 cult classics which you may have missed
  1. Big Trouble in Little China
  2. Carry On Cleo
  3. Dr. No
  4. Kelly's Heroes
  5. Léon: The Professional
  6. Police Academy
  7. The Dam Busters
  8. The Italian Job
  9. The Ladykillers – the original, not the remake. Remakes are always bad, right?
  10. Zulu
  • Oppose currently. It's not quite at the level of depth I would like this article to be at for a front-page feature. I agree with Masem; an explanation for the list's significance would be particularly useful. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I don't believe these "best of" lists are ITN material. YD407OTZ (talk) 14:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Nsk92. Banedon (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. One of the most notable rankings of films, released only once per decade, with a somewhat surprising first-place pick. There are only so many ways for the arts to be represented in ITN, and this is one of them. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose -- not ITN material. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:58, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - ITN notability aside, the article is in a poor shape. Anarchyte (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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