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The result was Redraftify and split. Pretty clear consensus that the article is not yet ready for mainspace as it's questionable that circumcision and female genital mutilation should have been combined in the same topic. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:12, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
List of countries by prevalence of genital cutting
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The article has been separated into two entirely separate sections, which destroys the apparent purpose of the article. Separate articles already exist about each of the two separated sections (see and Prevalence of female genital mutilation by country and Prevalence of circumcision). The purpose of the article seems to be to study the phenomena of male and female genital cutting as potentially correlated issues. If the article itself does not consider the phenomena together, it appears to have no value. —BarrelProof (talk) 12:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- keep and reorganize per nominator's excellent reasoning.~TPW 12:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Agree With suggestion to separate into two. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:56, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or redraftify. This was moved prematurely from draftspace and should be deleted or moved back. Comparing the figures on one page seeks to draw a false equivalence between FGM and circumcision, which is original research. In addition, I oppose hosting any "list" article (as part of this list or separately) on the legality and prevalence of FGM, which are complex issues. We already have Prevalence of female genital mutilation by country. There are four types of FGM and multiple sub-types. For most countries, there are no nationally representative figures, and there are several countries in which some types are banned but not others, or it is banned outside hospital only, or banned only for minors. Each country would have to be individually sourced and kept updated, which would be a lot of work, and the author of this list has shown no interest in doing it. SarahSV (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or redraftify.
"The purpose of the article seems to be to study the phenomena of male and female genital cutting as potentially correlated issues"
– Indeed. Unfortunately, in the absence of reliable sources which study potential correlations, the article is riddled with original research. The nominator has it wrong on one count: it's not a matter of whether the article has value or not; it's simply a matter of whether the topic has sufficient reliable sources studying it for us to make an article. While these are being sought, the article should not be mainspace because of the concerns that Sarah indicates. --RexxS (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete or TNT. Inappropriate to conflate circumcision and FSM. Reywas92Talk 04:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Split into two lists, each with a prominent link to the Prevalence of... prose articles. I considered the possibility of merging it with the relate Prevalence of... articles, but I don't see any easy way to make that happen. The "whole world" table doesn't fit comfortably with the continent-by-continent article. However, if someone else thinks that would be a good idea, then I'm okay with it, too. As a side note, I don't really see any policy-based reason for deleting (rather than splitting or merging). I can see ways to improve the table, especially by adding a "Notes" section that allows some detailed explanations or links to more detailed explanations, but that's just a matter of improving the page, and Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Does that mean you don't see WP:No original research as a policy-based reason for deleting (rather than splitting or merging)? Or do you believe that all of the figures in the article were accurately taken directly from sources without any extrapolation by the editor who added them? --RexxS (talk) 18:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Split and draftying both articles until sufficiently salient research is available. It is critically important that sources are right, and it is the correct research that being used. scope_creepTalk 14:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Draftify and split, per above. Sceptre (talk) 01:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Draftify and split, per above. 4meter4 (talk) 04:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Update: On 25 October 2019, the article was renamed to List of countries by prevalence of circumcision and female genital mutilation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) —BarrelProof (talk) 07:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Draftify per the above comments and split per @Reywas92: as I don't think the recent merge of circumcision and female genital mutilation was helpful. There are legitimate reasons, religious, hygienic, and the like, for the former whereas I can't think of any legitimate reasons for the latter. In short, as Reywas92 says, the two should not be confused.--Doug Mehus (talk) 16:00, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Distributed liquidity
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This appears to be original research, basically only written about by its inventor - there's one short newspaper treatment, which appears to constitute the entirety of notice that the outside world has taken of the idea so far. (The "movement" and its website is, again, the originator) At best, WP:TOOSOON. Elmidae (talk · contribs) 23:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment (copied from article talk page) @Elmidae: I can provide other sources that speak about Distributed Liquidity. I know it's a new theme, but it's important to know. The book "La buona moneta" by Prof. Pierangelo Dacrema, reserves a full paragraph to this theory. Is it enough for you? NuandaLM (talk) 03:05, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- @NuandaLM: Importance is assessed on Wikipedia by how much sources unconnected with a given topic have seen fit to say about it - i.e., how much independent coverage is available. For scientific findings or theories, that means that a sufficient number of other researchers must have taken up and/or discussed the item, and/or that the non-scientific press must have covered it. Both of these seem to be lacking for Distributed liquidity at the moment. A discussion in a book is the kind of coverage that can usefully contribute to the threshold. But it won't suffice on its own - we would need a number of these. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not the place to raise awareness for or popularize something - we merely document what people are already writing about. It may just be WP:TOOSOON for this topic to be on Wikipedia. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:44, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - lots of things are important but also original research, which we don't publish. There's lots of academic journals and ArXiv that do exactly that. Bearian (talk) 12:59, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
@Elmidae: I found 4 indipendent authors who wrote about Distributed Liquidity: Prof. Pierangelo Dacrema (Università della Calabria), Prof. Roberto Tamborini (University of Trento), Phd Domenico Cortese, who is ad indipendent research who write on https://www.filosofiadeldebito.it/.
- Comment I found an article that also is about this term: Akter, Nahida ; Nobi, Ashadun (Jun 2018). "Investigation of the Financial Stability of S&P 500 Using Realized Volatility and Stock Returns Distribution". Journal of Risk and Financial Management. 11(2).
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: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)4meter4 (talk) 04:07, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Erm... no. The term is used in passing once, in the introduction, and puzzlingly out of context (actually that looks like a rote intro sentence copied from somewhere). I don't believe this is worth anything. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 02:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete per G4 (non-admin closure) SD0001 (talk) 19:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Angelo von Möller
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Deleted by CSD A7 last year. No reliable independent sources cited in this new article, and I can't find anything independent myself; seems to fail WP:GNG. GirthSummit (blether) 23:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. I couldn't find a single article about von Möller in a news search via ProQuest. Fails WP:NOTE. Cabrils (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete. Repost again. And give it a hefty dose of salt and a block for not here and didn't hear that. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:07, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. salt. Would seem to have a self published bio over at IMDb for appearing in his father's movie. or something. COI declaration needs to be extended to a bunch of other pages, and user should probably be banned from creating new pages (except through AfC?) Hydromania (talk) 10:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:29, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Kortnee Simmons
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No coverage, been going for a while. no fans. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:SIGCOV. scope_creepTalk 21:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment He is signed so worth checking.scope_creepTalk 15:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- The article is very promotional, for example it says he co-starred in two notable films but he is in fact a long way down the credits lists Atlantic306 (talk) 21:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete A self-promoting artist who claims to be signed to a major label merely by using the company’s distribution services. Thus, we have this person creating their own vanity label—LarkMusic—and by becoming a client of a widely available service (EMPIRE, which represents many notable and non-notable labels and both established and aspiring artists) promotes it as being “signed to a major label.” Notability is not conferred by association; the notability here has to be evident for LarkMusic, which isn't. His acting career, as pointed out, consist of minor roles deep in cast listings or boasts of appearances that are uncredited in IMDB listings. The sourcing is junk (self-downloads, social media, small-time blogs, press-releases) and the article is written in a promotional, peacock-style. At best, he is building his career—which includes self-promotion—but has not achieved notability yet, so WP:TOOSOON. To his credit, he at least is trying to claim notability on merit rather than trying to by association for being a music mogul's nephew. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - many ordinary musicians have shared the stage with famous musicians, including this one. Bearian (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per everyone above.4meter4 (talk) 03:45, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to List of assets owned by Viacom#Dormant or shuttered. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Quizilla
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Only working reference is to a LiveJournal post. The website doesnt appear to be terribly notable, and has been defunct for a while. Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of assets owned by Viacom#Dormant or shuttered as yet another thing Viacom bought that they did nothing with after (the article seems to have become a Katamari of NICKCRUFT to boot). Nate • (chatter) 00:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect' per WP:CHEAP. I never understand why companies do this, except to eliminate the competition. Oh wait ... Bearian (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of assets owned by Viacom#Dormant or shuttered.4meter4 (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Theo Germaine
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BLP of an actor, not yet reliably sourced as clearing WP:NACTOR. A person has to have multiple significant roles, not just one, if you're going for "notable because they've been in stuff", and a person has to have considerably more than just one reference if you're going for "notable because they have press coverage". No prejudice against recreation in the future when there are more roles and better sourcing, but as of right now one significant supporting role supported by a single source is not enough. Bearcat (talk) 21:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep, I quickly found sourcing, including that this is one of three bigger roles for the actor, and interviews with him that would easily make a good article, which I think meets WP:GNG. Gleeanon409 (talk) 21:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep (disclaimer: article creator), per WP:GNG. Oprah magazine, Reuters, Them, South China Morning Post, Chicago Tribune, Marie Claire, Gay Times, etc. Article needs expanding, but serves as an appropriate stub for now, IMO. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep a WP:BEFORE reveals WP:RS. passes WP:GNG Lightburst (talk) 02:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - added some more sources and minor info to the article --Spacepine (talk) 08:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Nominator did not follow WP:BEFORE. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 03:41, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy delete. CSD G7 (request). TheSandDoctor Talk 05:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
List of bakemono featured in Bakemono no e
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This page contains information originally on Bakemono no e. The user who moved the list to this separate page did not give adequate justification for it. I moved all the information back to Bakemono no e, and I see no reason for this to be a separate page. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 20:53, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete I am the user who created this page. I did this a while back and I'm not sure if I would have now. TheAwesomeHwyh 22:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America1000 14:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Graeme Pitkethly
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No evidence that this individual has been the subject of coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Mentions in media are generally routine mentions in articles about Unilever, rather than himself. Jellyman (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.4meter4 (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JGHowes talk 15:13, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
The Van Orsdels
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Article fails WP:GNG. –Matthew - (talk) 18:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Searches for sources yielded nothing. Incidentally, I'm not sure George Graquitena is notable either. Probably the same content creator made that article as well.4meter4 (talk) 03:39, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Edmund February
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Not notable. Only links are his personal page at UCT and a self-published blog (Climb ZA). The page is supposed to be about a botanist but has no botany related info. Wyatt Tyrone Smith (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable individual.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:09, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OUTCOMES, WP:BLP, and WP:PROF. We almost never keep articles about associate professors, unless they've written something cited in many of our articles. Bearian (talk) 13:04, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. I did find several peer reviewed journal articles by him in ProQuest, and a few which cited his research or acknowledged his help in specimen collection. However, it's not enough to meet the criteria at WP:NACADEMIC.4meter4 (talk) 03:29, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Flexer GH
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No indication of notability per WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Sources given are all blogs or unsigned articles of a promotional tone. Google search (45 results) brings up more of the same. ... discospinster talk 19:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom - run of the mill, musician of no notability. No good evidence of national or international touring; article is poorly sourced. Bearian (talk) 13:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:NMUSIC.4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete not notable The Mirror Cracked (talk) 03:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to O' Parvardigar (album). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Parvardigar Prayer
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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NOPAGE and all that.
There's no significant or non-trivial coverage of this prayer, outside of (non-independent i.e. Meher-Baba-affiliated sources or un-reliable sources or personal memoirs other than a few scattered instances of a few lines in relation to Pete Townshend's O' Parvardigar (album).
Seeking redirect and/or merge to O' Parvardigar (album). ∯WBGconverse 14:08, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete or Redirect/Merge. per nominator. Lacks independent coverage.4meter4 (talk) 03:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete or Redirect/Merge. There doesn't seem to be any WP:N to the prayer itself. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Meher Baba. Sandstein 08:25, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Amartithi
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I fail to see much of any notability of the subject (and non-trivial significant coverage about it, to the extents necessitated by WP:SIGCOV) to grant a passage of WP:GNG and/or WP:NEVENT, thus leading to a stand-alone page.
Trivial mentions in books of the Meher-Baba-Universe, mentions in personal memoirs and a few trivial name-drops over news-pieces are located.
There's a piece over South Asian Tribune but that's not independent (vide 'Dictated Sunday, 13th December 2009'
). And there's another over a niche-outlet Asian Tribune that has a checkered history of indulging in partisan-journalism-for-pay and defaming journalists, who refused to be a part of their ring, which says volumes about reliability of the media.
Barring that, there's five lines at a broader entry over a two-volume encyclopedia by J. Gordon Melton titled "Religious Celebrations", which is the near-sole piece of reliable secondary/tertiary coverage about the subject. But, that ain't enough to propel the subject past the barriers of WP:NEVENT, which necessitates WP:PERSISTENCE and WP:DIVERSE .
As a consequence, seeking redirect to Meher Baba. ∯WBGconverse 13:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Messianic College
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No indication this institution is accredited, also can't really find any indications of it passing WP:NORG or WP:GNG. Please keep in mind that WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES does not provide a carte blanche for all schools, even those claiming to be higher education. It might be a degree mill, and we should be careful not to provide legitimacy to such scams. Also note a red flag - no Brazilian wiki entry for this, generally most reputable higher education institutions will get a local wiki stub before English one. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - appears to be a seminary for a small new religion sect. Bearian (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - agree with delete vote above. fails WP:GNG Iamchinahand (talk) 04:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect/Merge to Church of World Messianity.4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Per Nom. Thoughts of legitimizing a degree mill scam would not be good. If something is notable (sourced) as being a scam we can call it that. Being sourced only through the "External links" leaves no option to me but to remove the article. We avoid wording like "claiming to be higher education" and "appears to be a seminary" by providing multiple reliable independent sources. Otr500 (talk)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 08:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Square One (1997 film)
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no evidence of notability presented Tknifton (talk) 19:56, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- comment actually now I think about I could have nominated for speedy deletion or prodded it rather than bringing it here. But now its here I may as well leave it here unless anyone else agrees with a speedy delete. Tknifton (talk) 20:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete The topic does not have significant coverage in the sources provided (or from a WP:BEFORE) search, so delete Taewangkorea (talk) 23:36, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep the film has won a couple of awards, at the San Diego Film Festival and the St. Kilda Film Festival, with some coverage here and [1] to verify that. @Dutchy85: - do you have any more info? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:19, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for drawing to my attention Lugnuts... I've added a few more references. This was a minor work I feel but still had a life... but over to other editors to see what they think... Dutchy85 (talk) 08:08, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- Weak Delete: The references listed by Shellwood are a single sentence description of the plot (which is, frankly, a better plot summary than is currently in the article) and half an explanation of the film on an Australian government website. Both do mention the awards. It won 2 awards, but I am unconvinced that there are more sources than those 2. My efforts to find more sources on google do not give any reliable, independent, results. I haven't found anything from the two film festivals that gave awards, so those might be decent sources. Of the sources in the article itself, none rise to significant. Rockphed (talk) 15:10, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete: A ProQuest search of Australia and NZ newspaper articles only resulted in 2 articles, one of which was the obituary for the film's director and I have added it to the page (the second reference was trivial). I would be inclined to delete it but don't hold a strong view. Cabrils (talk) 00:52, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. The film has significant coverage (an in-depth analysis) in Barrett Hodson, Peter Mudie (2001). Straight Roads and Crossed Lines: The Quest for Film Culture in Australia from the 1960s?. Bernt Porridge Group. p. 189-190. That in conjunction with the other added references and award wins is sufficient to meet WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The page is also, in its present state, and unambiguous copyright violation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:36, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
Pierre Kiandjan
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I have searched in English And French and can find no solid in-depth coverage that is not a blog, interview, online portfolio or advertisement for an event. The current article sources are the same. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:43, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - The subject of this article does not pass WP:ARTIST nor WP:GNG nor WP:BIO notability criteria. There is nothing remarkable or significant enough to warrant an encyclopedia entry. The referencing is from auction houses, blogs, online-portfolios, interviews, listings and other primary or promotional sources. After searching online, I found nothing of substance. Netherzone (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Artnet source does fit with WP:ARTIST 2-a rule. Howareyoutheyus (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC+1)
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- Delete I see no significant coverage in independent reliable sources, nor does the subject meet any of the subject-specific notability criteria: not widely cited, no significant new concept/theory/technique, no major body of work, no exhibitions, no significant critical attention, no collections.
- http://www.artnet.com/artists/pierre-kiandjan/ is an auction site, and confirms one sale.
- http://www.40fakes.com/2016/10/pierre-kiandjan/ is a blog, not a reliable source
- http://www.fubiz.net/2016/02/19/color-mixed-illustrations-playing-with-optical-illusions/ is a design agency's blog, not a reliable source
- https://www.juxtapoz.com/news/painting/pierre-kiandjan-paints-color-illusions/ is a very short paragraph, not bylined, that is mostly a slideshow of his work.
- https://www.lejournaldelamaison.fr/le-journal-de-la-maison/reportages-maisons/appartements/122985-122985.html does not mention the subject
- https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/kiandjan-illusions-on-exhibit-in-paris.html mentions
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, a bit of an exaggeration, it's really 8 works on display in two furniture stores. Those are not significant exhibitions - http://www.blunblun.com/pierre-kiandjan is primarily a link to an interview with lots of images, it is not a reliable source; see http://www.blunblun.com/press
- https://www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/portfolios/pierre-kiandjan/ is a portfolio/interview, not a critical assessment of an artist's work
- https://www.kaltblut-magazine.com/found-on-the-internet-pierre-kiandjan/ makes some a claim: he reinvents optic art, but unfortunately does not tell us how he does that. If Kiandjian had really reinvented optic art (I think they mean Op art?) then the art world would have taken notice and we'd see many more sources discussing his supposed innovation
- https://www.discogs.com/fr/Alex-Gopher-Back-To-Basics-EP/release/8258619 shows that he has created cover art for a CD, but offers nothing beyond that
- https://etapes.com/une-selection-de-vinyles-graphiques-et-intemporels/ shows that same CD, again without any additional information. Vexations (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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1960's more than twoearly 20th c. many decades before this artist was born. Netherzone (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2019 (UTC) Addendum: The point I was trying to make is that there is no proof whatsoever that PK "reinvented" Op art in the 2010's. Netherzone (talk) 15:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)- Your comment took me to our Op art, article, which says Op art is primarily Balck and White! I tend to define it much more broadly, for example I've always thought Claude Tousignant is basically an op artist... and maybe even Albers.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:10, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep passes our notability guide. An artist is known for their work. Check out the WP:RSs on the article for our subject on the French WIKI. Perhaps an ambitious editor could add some of these sources here. Lightburst (talk) 02:21, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Lightburst:, we have seen those and they are largely not RS. Please explain, if you can, which ones you consider to be RS. I read French so those are OK to use as examples. If you can just link to one or two in-depth sources, rather than trivial or self-published sources, that would be really helpful.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. As the nomination points out, "no solid in-depth coverage that is not a blog, interview, online portfolio or advertisement". – Athaenara ✉ 19:20, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Honours School System, Lahore
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Ibn-e-Imam Degree Science College
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Superior Lalazar Public School and College Thana Malakand
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. JGHowes talk 16:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
English Grammar School
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- How likely is it that someone who types "English Grammar School" in the search bar is looking for an article about a specific school in Pakistan? The principle of least astonishment says English Grammar School should be a redirect pointing to Grammar school#England. If the consensus at this AfD is to retain the subject article, then its content should be moved to English Grammar School (Lahore) with an appropriate hatnote at Grammar school#England. Otherwise English Grammar School may simply be redirected.—S Marshall T/C 23:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable school.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. REDIRECT to Grammar school#England.4meter4 (talk) 02:46, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Reach Montessori International
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:39, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ミラP 19:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Idyl (Musician)
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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. He is only known for winning The Voice Nigeria, a single event. He has released six songs since he started his music career and none of them have been discussed in significant detail. Per the article, he has been making music since 2012. An artist who has been making music for 7 years with no album and only six singles to his name cannot be notable. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 02:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep the artiste won a notable competition in Nigeria, which was aired across Africa, and even though he does not have an album out, his singles have been quite successful and according to reports he is one of the most popular artistes from his region as indicated here [1].Philphleg (talk) 08:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Philphleg: Winning a notable event doesnt make one notable. Which of his singles have been "successful"? Can you provide a reliable source to support your statement that his singles have been successful. His songs did not chart on any country's official music chart and were not critically reviewed. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 13:21, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as clearly passes criteria 9 of WP:NMUSIC: "Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition" as The Voice Africa a pan-national contest broadcast internationally would qualify as a major music competition particularly as his win was covered in multiple reliable sources such as The Guardian Nigeria and the Vanguard, also WP:Notability is not temporary, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:07, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Atlantic306: There's no such thing as the The Voice Africa. The subject participated in The Vocie Nigeria, a single country competition. Said competiion did not broadcast internationally. Can you provide a reliable source that it was broadcast internationally? The Vanguard and The Guardian sources are interviews and are not independent of him. As I stated earlier, the subject is not a notable act. He doesn't have a music career to speak of. He only has 7 singles to his name and none of them are notable. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 23:10, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- ok, winning a national tv competition that is covered in reliable sources still passes criteria 9 of WP:NMUSIC regardless of his singles as per WP:Notability is not temporary do you think a winner of The Voice in the US or UK would be deleted? I very much doubt it, so we must avoid systemic bias, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:14, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see any bias here. The subject simply has not done enough from a musical standpoint. He has been making music since 2012 and has nothing to show for it. The only claim to notability is his participation in The Voice Nigeria. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 23:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NMUSIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. Meets the requirement of WP:NMUSIC. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 19:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. passes WP:NMUSIC Lightburst (talk) 02:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - won a large, well-known competition in a large country (my !vote would be different if this was The Voice Gambia). Bearian (talk) 13:11, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
The Lavisher School
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. Iamchinahand (talk) 08:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
NED Foundation Higher Secondary School
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Azm-e-Nau School & College
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website, WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - vary small, for-profit middle and high school segregated by gender, of unknown location. Even if this little school were notable, this page is a huge mess. Bearian (talk) 13:15, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.4meter4 (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:34, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Royal City Public School (Pakistan)
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No independent source found for the for-profit school, fails WP:GNG and WP:CORPDEPTH. We can't have an article on every school as this will make us a listing website,WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Störm (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Searches for sources yielded nothing.4meter4 (talk) 02:30, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: Per Nom. primary sources need secondary coverage in reliable and independent sources to advance notability. Otr500 (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Mientka Duo
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Article on a music duo that survived AfD in 2009 but I can’t find anything that would demonstrate notability now. Mccapra (talk) 21:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep, but only just. The article claims that the band was the subject of an Emmy-award nominated documentary on PBS and provides two sources, one of which is a dead redirect but the other does point to an archived page at the Wayback Machine. I'm not sure about the reliability of the given source, but I see no reason to treat it as unreliable as it doesn't appear to be self-published or affiliated. Criterion 12 of Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles states [musicians] may be notable if [they have] been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network. The claim in red, although it could be sourced a little bit better, seems to meet the standard stated in the guideline in blue. SITH (talk) 10:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as per above comment, as they do seem to pass WP:NMUSIC criteria 12 so the article should be retained and improved imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment I have updated the links and added more sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:36, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks very much @RebeccaGreen:. Mccapra (talk) 11:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, and I should have added that I updated the info, as one of the sources I found was an obituary for half of the duo! RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:29, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks very much @RebeccaGreen:. Mccapra (talk) 11:14, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:NMUSIC.4meter4 (talk) 02:29, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sandstein 08:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Winter sports in the United States
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"Winter sports" is not a sport, but a collection of rather disparate sports, some Olympic, some not. I had sent this article to draft space and explained why at User talk:Dwanyewest/Archive 2#Sports in the US articles, but it has been resurrected with mainly the same problems the original had.
It is a coatrack article mixing different topics and pulling some original research conclusions from flimsy sources.
The lead is a typical example; "is a sport which has only limited popular support"? It isn't a sport, and the source used to reference this states "Snow-based recreation contributes $67 billion annually and supports over 900,000 jobs in the United States.", which hardly shows evidence of "limited popular support". And the source is only about "snow-based recreation" (not sport!), so it excludes ice skating and ice hockey, to name just those two.
"Biathlon is something Americans have been successful at internationally" is sourced to an article naming biathlon as the one winter sport the US never medalled in at the Olympics, and only in 2017 at the World Championships. Basically, the source flatly contradicts the statement in our article.
"The United States is a traditional power house in winter sports" is sourced to an article that states that before the introduction of more "extreme" sports (snowboarding or freestyle skiing) in 1994, the US were not a power house but an also-ran compared to their results at the Summer games: "The U.S. Stunk At The Winter Olympics Until Extreme Sports Came Along " is the title, which says it all.
If (and it's a big if) we need an article on this subject, it may be best to simply start from scratch. Fram (talk) 12:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment: There are 4-ish other "Winter sport(s) in country" articles:
- As for this article, it might be a notable topic, but I might be inclined to WP:NUKEIT and start over. Chris857 (talk) 16:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- First, this article is full of newbie mistakes.
- Second, I agree with Chris857, that this article is about a notable topic, suitable for a standalone article - provided there is no earlier article that already covered the topic. If there is an earlier, superior article I think deletion would be inappropriate. A redirect, or a merge and redirect, preserving the history, would be appropriate. Why preserve the history? Because it contains references and possibly other elements worthy of being cannibalized.
- What if there are no articles already covering this topic? Then why wouldn't stubification be the best choice? Geo Swan (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As the existence of these other articles shows, and the notability of not only specific winter sports, but groups and people well within that, should be more than enough to justify the existence of this article. Perhaps it is in need of improvement, I won't argue with that, but it is nonetheless not in any way worth deletion at this time. 128.210.106.65 (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Strong keep. The content is abysmal, but the subject is obviously notable. I've begun overhauling it. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep If a badly written article can be improved, then that should be done instead of deletion per WP:ATD. I don't think there is any doubt that the topic is notable (there are for example numerous books on the single subject of ice hockey in the US alone), and it can be turned into a properly-written article. I see no other reason that would satisfy WP:DEL-REASON. Hzh (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per everyone above. And we should probably close this because it's SNOWING (I couldn't resist).4meter4 (talk) 02:28, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Books in libraries are no substitute for proper sourcing. Sandstein 08:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
John Jackman
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The wiki has almost no sources at all. It seems to be written by the subject, as many of the contributions seem to be done the subject himself, with a couple of usernames, including JJackman. This is not neutral writing. The lack of sources in this article, and the lack of notability for the subject make it seem unimportant and not actually viable for a Wikipedia article. Nathan Love (talk) 18:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep his books are held in over 2000 librarys worldwide according to Worldcat which usually indicates that reviews are available offline if not online. Any promotionalism can be edited out, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Extra time needed to find supposed reviews that @Atlantic306: suggested exists.
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- Keep. WP:NOTCLEANUP notable author per Worldcat. Wm335td (talk) 17:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. First, I don't think any part of WP:NAUTHOR is fulfilled by having works in 2000 libraries. Second, when I search for John Jackman, I mostly get results for other people (leading me to wonder what sort of WP:FRANKENSTEIN is being created in the world cat searches. Third, I found exactly 0 reliable sources when I searched for "John Jackman author filmmaker" on google. Rockphed (talk) 16:39, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Having looked at it a little more, the two books (one has 3 editions) listed in the article are available in 475 libraries and 0 libraries. Atlantic306, can you explain finding his works in 2000 libraries? Rockphed (talk) 19:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- There are more than two publications, this shows more holdings here, having said that I haven't found any additional coverage on google Atlantic306 (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable. I tried to verify the awards, and none appear to be significant. Some are only for other parties who contributed to his films. I have cross-linked Newton's Grace to Wesley (film) as those are the only Wikipedia articles on his works. – Fayenatic London 11:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:NAUTHOR.4meter4 (talk) 02:24, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:12, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Fab five (Ateneo)
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Fancruft. No standalone notability The Banner talk 16:49, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is not a fan page. This can be mentioned in one sentence of the Ateneo women's volleyball team and that would suffice.—Allenjambalaya (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 19:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
US Arab Chamber of Commerce
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This is a organisation that lacks significant independent coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. The provided references do not establish notability. (1) The chamber's own web site is not an independent source. (2) The Saudi Embassy page on document certification simply lists this organisation as one of many offices that can receive certain types of certifying documents. A directory entry does not establish notability. My own searches for sources do not turn up anything. Note that there are other entities with "US Arab Chamber of Commerce" in the name like "National US Arab Chamber of Commerce" and " Bilateral US Arab Chamber of Commerce" which are not the same organisation. I also found some organisations with the same name in book searches but these do not appear to the be the same company as their HQ do not match with the one written about here. And in any case, those book search results are directory like entries and would not help in establishing notability. Whpq (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:OUTCOMES and WP:SIGCOV - we have tended to delete articles about smaller CoC's because they are impossible to source significantly. Please ping me if you prove me wrong. Bearian (talk) 13:21, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment. @Whpq: Would this be useful as a disambiguation page, given the many organizations with this title?4meter4 (talk) 19:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- @4meter4: No. This is the only article under this title. What would be disambiguated? -- Whpq (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed that it lacks enough sources or it is not notable. Expertwikiguy (talk) 02:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Perpetuelle
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Defunct website. Only 1 working reference. Doesnt seem very notable. Rathfelder (talk) 15:30, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment, has this website moved to here?, anyway, agree with nominator that this is a delete as not meeting WP:GNG due to lack of significant/indepth sources. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 19:05, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Austin James Smith
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Non-notable coach, fails WP:GNG. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:12, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete clearly a non-notable coach. Having recently gone through many coach articles, I have doubts that everyone who ever was a head coach of football at a school that is currently NCAA Division 1 in football is notable. Although I have to admit being hesitant to start this new deletion campaign since it would only elimante articles on a few marginal coaches from long ago and would not do anything to work against Wikipedia's very abundant presentist bias. Currently 1989 is the year with the most articles in its birth year category. There are lots of bios that lack birth dates, primarily for living people, which might if better covered move the top year a few years back, but I have my doubts. Smith is clearly not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- NO Delete The guy is responsible for virtual reality being used in football and coaches professional football. Hes innovated the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RunNShootGuy (talk • contribs) 04:51, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for that statement? The sources you added to the article do not support it, and this article says another company was implementing VR into college football around the same time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 13:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- That might very well have weight, but we need a source to support it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:17, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- SportTechie article which is owned by Sports Illustrated supports it. Also here is a video from the University that started it with Austin https://vimeo.com/188832528 ... VR and Holograms are different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A2D6:240:54A:AA0F:DD7A:5522 (talk) 23:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- The SportTechie article does not support a claim that he is the sole reason VR is in college and professional football, only that he is one of many who helped bring it along. Eagles 24/7 (C) 12:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Looking through the sources, I don't see any indication of any coaching notability yet. SportingFlyer T·C 10:45, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete currently not notable as a coach, even if the VR claim could be proven I'm not sure if it puts Smith above the bar of notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to British Rail Class 720. North America1000 13:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
British Rail Class 720/6
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Repeated attempts to delete this article by converting to a redirect, with the rationale that it is sufficiently covered at British Rail Class 720 and other rolling stock subclasses do not have WP articles. I take no position on the deletion, except to think that it should be discussed before disappearing. Lithopsian (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Speedy Keep as a technical matter and as a way to close this AFD immediately, because no discussion is warranted. I don't care if the topic is redirected or not by editors. The only thing to do here is say is that there is no nomination for deletion provided, and no action either way should be taken at the article or redirect. By "Keep", i do not mean it should not be redirected.
User:ShellwoodUser:Lithopsian is explicitly not accepting accountability for anything; this is a waste of AFD editors' time; no more AFD editors should have to consider this. AFD nominations without a deletion rationale are to be closed immediately. Merging/redirecting options can/should be considered at Talk page of the topic article and/or the merge/redirect topic. ToShellwoodLithopsian, please read up on how to make real AFD nominations before doing anything like this again. --Doncram (talk) 18:10, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Doncram: I did not propose this nomination, please try and sort out who does what before posting. Shellwood (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, I am very sorry, my mistake, it was Lithopsian. --Doncram (talk) 19:46, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Doncram: I did not propose this nomination, please try and sort out who does what before posting. Shellwood (talk) 18:44, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
An article on a sub-class of rolling stock is unneeded; there is no article for any other sub-classes of rolling stock on the site. Merge with British Rail Class 720, which is the main article for the whole class. Creating sub-class articles for other types of rolling stock would be unnecessary. --SavageKieran (talk) 00:04, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Speedy keep per DoncramAlthough Doncram is right and speedy keep is procedurally the right thing to do because this is not an AfD but a request to merge, I agree that Merge is an appropriate outcome for this particular page and am happy to change my !vote. Bookscale (talk) 12:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Why is a speedy keep necessary on an unnecessary article like this? It's simple; this is one train which should be kept on one article, just like all other types of British rolling stock across the site. --SavageKieran (talk) 20:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with the Class 720 article, no need for an article for this particular sub-class. Bellowhead678 (talk) 22:13, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with the Class 720 article. We never have articles for sub-classes. ElshadK (talk) 12:22, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with the Class 720 article, no need for an article for this particular sub-class. Bellowhead678 (talk) 22:13, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Why is a speedy keep necessary on an unnecessary article like this? It's simple; this is one train which should be kept on one article, just like all other types of British rolling stock across the site. --SavageKieran (talk) 20:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to British Rail Class 720, agree with above editors, in line with WP:MERGE and WP:SPLIT no need for a separate article. ps. i do, however, agree with Doncram that this should never have come to afd, discussions should be held on article talkpage/relevant project/user talkpages, i do see that a discussion was comenced prior to this afd so why was this commenced? Coolabahapple (talk)
- Merge with the main page which is is majority Greater Anglia's class 720 and not much C2C's. Information should be moved into the page with a balance between the two. No need for this page Wkc19 :) (talk) 10:54, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with Class 720 for reasons already stated by others.Superalbs (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge with Class 720 per everyone else above.4meter4 (talk) 17:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. North America1000 13:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Pakistan Aviators & Aviation
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Fails to verify the information in WP:RS. Overall, article fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 14:20, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. YSSYguy (talk) 08:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - an airline with five smallish airplanes probably fails WP:GNG. Compare Nursing in Pakistan, which I helped to save. Bearian (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.4meter4 (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I.V. Doc
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Absolutely non-notable company offering unproven therapies composed of medications outside of their licensing scope. Mentioned in the public media only in paid infomercials. — kashmīrī TALK 13:49, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.4meter4 (talk) 17:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Moropant Pingley
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Fails WP:GNG; hardly any significant coverage about the subject other than this TOI piece. Held prominent roles in VHP and played the strings behind BJP's ascend to power but shunned publicity. Moropant Pingle/मोरोपंत पिंगले are alternate search terms, FWIW... ∯WBGconverse 13:26, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. No prejudice against recreation if more sources can be found to satisfy WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Iman Abouhamzeh
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A BLP with no direct sources. Also, it's an orphan. The only things preventing a PROD are the external links, none of which seems to establish the notability of the subject. From an internet search, neither the subject nor his New York Festivals award is notable under WP:GNG. Similarly, this subject does not meet WP:NACTOR and WP:NMUSIC, which I checked just in case. William2001(talk) 11:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Speedy Delete non-notable podcast creator. Fails WP:GNG. Farhikht (talk) 13:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment can’t find any reliable sources in Persian, his native language:
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- Delete per WP:BLP and WP:SIGCOV. No matter how popular his podcast could be, if there's no sources about him, then he's not notable. Bearian (talk) 13:24, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV, a useful guideline that shows just how inadequate person is in terms of notability.Strandvue (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Extensible Threat Management
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Article apparently deleted by PROD already and so can't be deleted by PROD again? I don't see any deleted edits. Dictionary term is not notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect to wikitionary article 208.185.237.210 (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: For context, this was previously soft deleted via PROD at the title Extensible Threat Management (XTM), then the title was recreated and later moved.
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- Move to Wiktionary and delete. Mccapra (talk) 11:21, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NEO and WP:OR. We do not publish new terms nor original research, period. Bearian (talk) 13:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:18, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Orga
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This article still fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment: It's worth mentioning that this article might be able to survive if it is fleshed out a bit; the Godzilla franchise has been heavily covered by reliable reference books from the likes of Kodansha and Shogakukan from the Showa era right the way through to the present day, and Godzilla 2000 (and thus Orga by extension) has been covered by several more recent reference books as a result; Wikizilla and Toho Kingdom both cite these books, and provide reference lists which could be of use to potential editors.--BrayLockBoy (talk) 11:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. I don't see anything except mentions in passing and fictional character biography in book sources, but I am open to revising my vote if someone can actually provide a deeper analysis. Ping User:FOARP, maybe you could take a look at this? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete since there doesn't seem to be a list article which would be appropriate to redirect to. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 01:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Big Page
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No evidence of any notability. Was nominated for a local award. No hits, no awards. Fails WP:SINGER. Searches reveal very little other than this article and social media Velella Velella Talk 23:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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""delete"" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halkett99 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 16 October 2019 (UTC)Striking per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Mz7 (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable Hip hopper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:36, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 07:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Albert Muema
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The player fails WP:NFOOTY as he hasn't played in a professional match yet. HawkAussie (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NFOOTY Taewangkorea (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Doesn't provide enough coverage to support notability. Barca (talk) 02:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:44, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. The articles I was sent via email each contain a decent paragraph each, and are independent of the subject. Some may view this as not enough coverage, however, book reviews are often published in this type of concise format. North America1000 09:56, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Allies of the Night
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Per WP:BEFORE searches, including custom searches, this book appears to fail WP:BOOKCRIT. Not finding independent significant coverage/book reviews, etc. in source searches to qualify notability. Also finding no evidence that this book meets any other of the criteria at WP:BOOKCRIT. North America1000 04:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep. Here are two book reviews, which is enough to meet WP:NBOOK:
- D'Ammassa, Don (December 2004). "Allies of the Night". Science Fiction Chronicle. Vol. 26, no. 12. p. 41.
- Ver Voort, Heather (October 2004). "Allies of the Night". School Library Journal. Vol. 50, no. 10. p. 176.
- ProQuest has some more hits which I can look into if you'd like. Haukur (talk) 18:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Haukurth: I'm unable to access the sources myself. Do both reviews provide significant coverage? If so, I can withdraw this nomination. North America1000 19:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- I'd say so but I've sent you an e-mail with the text of each so you can evaluate. I also threw in a third review, from The Sunday Business Post. All three reviews are short but they're clearly independent and critical reviews and not just blurbs or paid coverage. Haukur (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- The author lists and gives the text of some reviews of the book on his webpage: [2] This includes two of those mentioned above as well as some others that may be relevant - though some are probably self-published and not RS. Haukur (talk) 08:19, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Cylon (Battlestar Galactica). Content can be merged from history. Sandstein 08:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Cylon Raider
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Fails WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Primary sources, description only. No indication of real world significance (through I am sure one could find a toy model or such with an accompanying press release or a blog review...). BEFORE fails to find any source that is not primary or in-passing. The three sources presented in the AfD 5 years ago (that nobody bothered to add to the article) are: mention in passing, one sentence long, that apparently someone build a big model and the two other links are broken now, but I think the second is a caption under a photo of the ship saying effectively it can be seen in the show and for the third one, if this is the working mirror, it seems like someone's three paragraph long blog post. The editors who tried to pass those as sufficient sources or who didn't bother to look at them should be promptly WP:TROUTed... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - The "three paragraph long blog-post" is a post on the AMC blog (that is the blog of the television channel) by John Brownlee, a journalist/reviewer apparently active in the field of sci-fi. This doesn't appear to be the self-published work that the nom is implying but probably isn't WP:SIGCOV as only one the paras is actually talking about the subject.
- In terms of what I found in my WP:BEFORE, this reference is sigcov and appears to be a reliable source - it summarises the role of the Raider in the fictional world of BSG. Cinefex - Issues 104-107 - Page 71 appears to contain a description of the creation of the props for the raider, however this is only available in snippet saying "Enigma designed the Cylon Raider fighter as a pointed boomerang with a glowing red window slot at its apex. Production constructed a full-scale Raider prop for Season One, revealing the interior as a dripping mass of biomechanical innards.". This book, also from reputable publisher, appears to include a description of the origins of the Cylon Raider's design, unfortunately also only visible in snippet. However, there's also this detailed description of an auctioned model of the original Cylon Raider in what appears to be a WP:NEWSORG. There's also an extensive review of the model-kit for the Cylon Raider here in what appears to be a WP:NEWSORG - the model is an adaptation of the original work and as such coverage of it is coverage of the original work. Passes WP:GNG based on at least the Cylons In America, New Atlas, and FineScale Modeler Magazine references with a side-order of likely WP:SIGCOV in the So Say We All and Cinefex coverage . FOARP (talk) 13:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- PS - It seems the Cylon Raider is also part of the Victoria & Albert's Museum of Childhood collection, but I'm not sure how much weight to place on that. FOARP (talk) 13:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, Cylons In Americ book dedicates one paragraph (on. p. 95) and few mentions in passing to the Raider; and I don't see anything that goes beyond primary description of this plot device ("CR is a biomechanical ship..." etc.). I don't think that the News Atlas is a major news outlet, hardly better than a blog, and a paragraph discussing how the movie prop goes on sale is hardly significant coverage of the topic, neither is a model review in a niche model-focused blog/trade publication. You did a pretty good job finding this, but in the end all we have is a paragraph in book that can be used to replace PRIMARY sources for some fictional description, and WP:ONEEVENT-like niche publications about the movie prop being sold and a model being released. Sorry, this still doesn't seem like a topic for encyclopedia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- New Atlas is a clear WP:NEWSORG pass as they have an editorial team and editorial policy (linked above), the paragraph discusses the topic in detail. Same goes for Cylons in America. WP:ONEEVENT is a guide for WP:BLP articles so I have no idea why you are referencing it here (is the Cylon Raider a living person?) - it's purpose is to make the article about the event rather than the person involved so it's not even a stand-alone WP:DELREASON. The modelling magazine is not a blog or trade publication (and it being a trade publication would only matter if this was an article about a company because that's a WP:CORP guide - its purpose is to stop companies manufacturing notability for themselves) and is clearly WP:SIGCOV. So, in the end, if you ignore all the references sustaining notability then you may conclude that a subject is not notable, but this is not what we do here at AFD. FOARP (talk) 07:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- PS - also Cf. coverage in the following WP:NEWSORG articles: 1 2 3 FOARP (talk) 07:59, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- "the paragraph discusses the topic in detail". Here's a big problem. In-depth discussion is generally hard to find in a paragraph. Paragraph may be better than a single sentence, but overall is rarely sufficient to meet in-depth requirement. If something is discussed only in a paragraph, it is probably not notable. And so far all the sources we have here are just this - paragraph (at best, sentence in some cases) mentions of the topic in more general overviews of the BG fanchise. Like your first extra links, 15 ships from BG. Sure, every gets a sentence or two - but that's not enough to make any of them notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- And the page-length article? FOARP (talk) 09:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Fine... if you want to make article about the model. Only semi-related to the article about the fictional plot device. WP:NOTINHERITED: a review of a toy is not a great source for establishing notability of whatever the toy is based on.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- It's an adaptation of the original work - similar to a film made from a book, or a translation into another language or so-forth - this is very obviously not a situation where we're talking about inherited notability because that's where you assume notability of a small element in a larger, more notable work (unless you think the model is the larger work?). Saying its "semi-related" means its related, which it obviously is as its a direct representation of the subject. FOARP (talk) 10:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- PS - oddly GBooks allows you to see different part of a book depending on where you're logging in from so, logging in from a different computer, I've just noticed that So Say We All: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Battlestar Galactica also gives WP:SIGCOV to the development of the Cylon Raider design - note that this coverage is in the (small-font) author-written sections and not only in the interview section, although the interviewees do also provide an extensive discussion of the design of the raider. FOARP (talk) 14:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- It's an adaptation of the original work - similar to a film made from a book, or a translation into another language or so-forth - this is very obviously not a situation where we're talking about inherited notability because that's where you assume notability of a small element in a larger, more notable work (unless you think the model is the larger work?). Saying its "semi-related" means its related, which it obviously is as its a direct representation of the subject. FOARP (talk) 10:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Fine... if you want to make article about the model. Only semi-related to the article about the fictional plot device. WP:NOTINHERITED: a review of a toy is not a great source for establishing notability of whatever the toy is based on.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- And the page-length article? FOARP (talk) 09:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- "the paragraph discusses the topic in detail". Here's a big problem. In-depth discussion is generally hard to find in a paragraph. Paragraph may be better than a single sentence, but overall is rarely sufficient to meet in-depth requirement. If something is discussed only in a paragraph, it is probably not notable. And so far all the sources we have here are just this - paragraph (at best, sentence in some cases) mentions of the topic in more general overviews of the BG fanchise. Like your first extra links, 15 ships from BG. Sure, every gets a sentence or two - but that's not enough to make any of them notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Cylon (Battlestar Galactica). Not independently notable per nom, only in the context of the Cylons.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 09:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Redirect - Most of the above sources are trivial mentions. Toy reviews are in no way a sign of notability on a topic unless that review is in some way special, the toy in particular being reviewed for some special reason. Otherwise, it's just one of many cookie cutter reviews on that site, which shows that review has no weight. Production information is good, but it should be placed into the main article if there is no other real world context on which to build an article. TTN (talk) 10:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Merge/Redirect to Cylon (Battlestar Galactica) per Zxcvbnm.4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Redirects may be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Seraphs (Battlestar Galactica)
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No indication this ficitonal concept passes WP:NFICTION or WP:GNG in general. The article is a pure description, with a mixture of primary sources and an interview or two with the show creators, but no source is in-depth in either case, the topic is just mentioned in passing most of the time. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Merge/redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters as not independently notable, per nom.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:26, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Non-notable topic. TTN (talk) 10:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:GNG, or redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters, if it's listed there. Onel5969 TT me 02:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
LTL Mandarin School
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Another unremarkable language school with no claims to notability, failing to meet WP:GNG. It is clearly a business, rather than a public educational establishment, and should therefore meet WP:NCORP, which it fails to do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for small companies to promote their businesses. Iamchinahand (talk) 03:50, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete - yet another spammy article of a language school of no significance. -Zanhe (talk) 05:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Akshay Varma
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:41, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination. Not notable. This is promotional article. — Harshil want to talk? 08:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - no claim of notability. Deb (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
The Evil One
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I found no significant coverage per WP:NF. SL93 (talk) 02:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Weak delete - I see this review and this mention for an award/festival, but I don't see this meeting WP:NFILM as neither of these happened "at least five years after initial release". Seems like this film disappeared without trace in terms of notability within a year of it being released. FOARP (talk) 12:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Is it likely that someone might type "The Evil One" into the search bar? If so, what are they looking for? Probably not this content! They could be looking for The Evil One (Roky Erickson album); Wikipedia's content on the personification of evil, which currently seems to reside at Devil; or maybe Satan. Therefore if the outcome of this debate is "delete", then please could the closer delete the content and then create a disambiguation page in its space; and if it's not to delete, then please could the closer move the current content to The Evil One (film) and then create a disambiguation page in the space left behind?—S Marshall T/C 16:02, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV. No objection to a disambiguation page being created as there is probably more than one target article.4meter4 (talk) 16:25, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Lourdes 00:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Probit model for panel data with heterogeneity and endogenous explanatory variables
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I don't know how this one survived the first AfD nomination. It is hopelessly over-technical; something that (if at all) should be mentioned in a section in Probit model. Right now this is the econometrics equivalent of having an article iPhone 11 in yellow and with 256 GB storage on top of iPhone 11. bender235 (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, clearly way too technical. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 03:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I concur with User:Mark viking's "Keep" !vote in the first AFD. --Doncram (talk) 03:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Mark viking's comments seem beside the point in my opinion: nobody doubts that this particular model "is real and seems adequately referenced." It sure is, but it's an overly special corner case that does not merit its own article. Next thing we have an article on Tobit model in an unbalanced panel with interaction terms and so on. --bender235 (talk) 04:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - Neither "Too technical" nor "Too detailed" is a WP:DELREASON. What actual policy reason is being invoked here? Is it WP:NOTGUIDE? FOARP (talk) 14:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- I would say it's WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Basically the same reason why we don't have the article iPhone 11 in yellow and with 256 GB storage. --bender235 (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- I get what you're saying here, but I think WP:REDUNDANTFORK might be a better fit - we don't have an article on iPhone 11 in yellow and with 256 GB storage because its simply a redundant fork of the iphone article. Alternatively you could say it's a WP:POVFORK because it's giving WP:UNDUE emphasis to relatively minor aspects of the iphone. FOARP (talk) 11:24, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- I would say it's WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Basically the same reason why we don't have the article iPhone 11 in yellow and with 256 GB storage. --bender235 (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. Written so increadibly badly that the article is incomprehensible even to the experts, so much so that the page is a borderline WP:A1 case. I am a professional mathematician myself and I have no idea what the page is talking about. There are no definitions of any kind, the topic of the article is not coherently described, the various quantities/notations/variables used are not defined or explained, and there are no clearly idetifiable and properly formulated mathematical statements. Basically just a bunch of incoherent semi-mathematical verbiage. In mathematics we refer to this kind of text as "not even wrong". Nsk92 (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Well, I am an econometrician and can attest that the article is correct, although poorly written. However, even the most beautiful rewrite does not change the fact of my opening statement, that this particular model is too much of a special case to merit its own article. --bender235 (talk) 23:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- The article is no more "correct" than the sentence "If then ." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsk92 (talk • contribs)
- I happen to have a very clear understanding of the basic probit regression model, and I am sure I could explain it (teach it) a lot better than is done in the current probit model article. About heterogeneity, and/or about endogenous explanatory variables, I could not do that. I am more in the category of wishing that this article were far better/clearer than it is, so that I could understand it properly. This article should be written at level comprehensible to someone who has taken coursework about equivalent to that required for a masters degree in statistics, I think. Perhaps this article should be split into different topics, or revamped considerably to cover multiple refinements of the basic probit model including heterogeneity of errors, endogeneity, more variations. I cannot say that editor Bender235 is wrong, in their estimation that the variation(s) addressed in this article are relatively obscure. But I think the solution would be to revise and to expand this, and re-title it as appropriate. Probably there should be one article (this article should be revised to become) on variations upon the basic probit regression model. Sticking to binary responses, setting aside extension of the basic model to multiple levels of responses. --Doncram (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- The article is no more "correct" than the sentence "If then ." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsk92 (talk • contribs)
- Well, I am an econometrician and can attest that the article is correct, although poorly written. However, even the most beautiful rewrite does not change the fact of my opening statement, that this particular model is too much of a special case to merit its own article. --bender235 (talk) 23:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Question Would anyone with experience in stats or econometrics be willing to put in the time to clean this up so it might be merged, e.g. to probit model? There's also Binary response model with continuous endogenous explanatory variables, which suffers the same difficulties as this page: too obscurely written even for people who know math, and devoted to a case of narrow scope. XOR'easter (talk) 04:26, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- That sounds very reasonable to ask if someone with more experience than I have, whether they could fix up this article better. As i explain in comments above and below, I don't think this should ever be merged into a lower-level article on the basic probit regression model. --Doncram (talk) 15:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - I think this article fails a number of points on WP:NOT. It is a text-book style article and as such fails Wikipedia is not a text book. It also appears to be a how-to style article and thus fails WP:NOTMANUAL. It is not written in accessible language and thus fails the "no academic language" requirement. Moreover, whilst I see a number of supporting references in the article, all I can see are the titles, so I do not know if they directly support the notability of this topic, so I have concerns about the extent to which WP:GNG is actually met - whilst I am assuming the good faith of the editors who added it to the article it would be good to have this confirmed by someone with access to these journals. Also, this is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK or even WP:POVFORK (since it is avoiding WP:UNDUE) of Probit model. FOARP (talk) 07:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- FOARP has valid complaints about the article, which would properly be addressed by editing the article, not deleting it, IMO. But it is not redundant or POV in any way, relative to the basic probit model. --Doncram (talk) 15:49, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Question - In the previous discussion, another user doncram indicated that it would be inappropriate to merge this article with probit model. If that's true, then can this doncram (or anyone else with expertise) provide a clarification for why the content could not be included as a subsection of that article? The article itself is not especially long so it's not a space issue , but if there's a technical reason why presenting this information as a separate subsection under that main heading is inappropriate then it may be best to not merge it and to leave it as a standalone article as now with an explanation for why it's kept separate documented in the talk page. 208.185.237.210 (talk) 13:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, that's easy. This article cannot be merged to the probit model article because this topic is too complicated. The "probit model" article actually should be simpler than it is. For example, it should have graphics explaining the model much more clearly (I wish i could easily provide those... I could hand-sketch what is needed, but I currently can't generate good 3-D graphics). It probably should have one or maybe two well-chosen example applications. Mainly, it should be written to be accessible to persons having a basic understanding of statistics, such as from just one statistics course in college or just one "Data and statistics" type course in business school, say. It should clearly lay out the idea of probit regression following from a few "simple" assumptions. The ideas of heterogeneity and endogeneity are far, far, far too much for the first, introductory article about probit regression.
- If this article were merged with the probit model article, then the only sensible options, for editors of that article, would be to split the merged material right back out again, or entirely delete it all. --Doncram (talk) 15:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. With that additional context, it does seem logical to keep this article as it is and, probably on the talk page, discuss trimming it down so that it is at the appropriate level of language. It might also be useful to have an external link pointing to this article in probit model, similar to how we have related articles point to each other. 208.185.237.210 (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- You're welcome. :) Yes, a "See also" type link at the bottom of that page is appropriate. (It wouldn't be labelled an "External link", because those go to locations outside of Wikipedia.)
- Further, in the basic probit model article there is a section "Performance under misspecification" which should be removed from there, and put into a more advanced-level article. I suppose that heterogeneity and endogeneity are special cases of misspecification of the basic probit model. I think this article should be modified to cover a number of variations, each really being ways to address various misspecifications of the basic probit model. User:bender235 somewhere above suggests, perhaps facetiously, something about covering "unbalanced panel with interaction terms" stuff; maybe that is one more type of thing to be covered as a variation? Also the normality of distribution of errors is a strong assumption which should be relaxed; the advanced article should at least suggest how assuming heavier-tailed distributions is probably almost always better (because in any real application there are no doubt unmeasured, omitted explanatory variables, which in effect cause greater variation in outcome than would be expected in the simple model) and can actually be easily addressed... logit regression is one alternative different only in this way. Assuming Cauchy/other stable distribution function are options, maybe adding one or two more parameters to be estimated. Offhand, I am not sure how to rank the importance of the various variations. --Doncram (talk)
- Just for the record, because it seems this was misunderstood: I suggested "something about covering "unbalanced panel with interaction terms" stuff" as a joke. I do not want this kind of an article. Neither do I want iPhone 11 in yellow and with 256 GB storage. --bender235 (talk) 18:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. With that additional context, it does seem logical to keep this article as it is and, probably on the talk page, discuss trimming it down so that it is at the appropriate level of language. It might also be useful to have an external link pointing to this article in probit model, similar to how we have related articles point to each other. 208.185.237.210 (talk) 15:57, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Also, by the way, the basic probit model article should not have to cover Berkson's whatever and Gibbs sampling, which I think might both be considered computational/solution aspects. Computation/solution method stuff should probably be covered in a different advanced-level article. About computation, the basic article should include just the assertion that the maximum likelihood surface is convex and has just one maximum to be found (i.e., under the assumptions of the probit model, for any one data set there is just one "best-fitting" set of coefficient estimates, and these can be found by a simple search process ...there are no local maxima to worry about), and brief suggestion of one simple approach to finding way to the maximum should be given there. --Doncram (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Way way too niche. All the creations ought be nuked per User_talk:Carolineneil#Single_purpose_account_for_experiment_on_Wikipedia:_should_be_banned and the subsequent block. ∯WBGconverse 16:52, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Strong keep - It's clear that some of the contributors to this discussion lack subject matter expertise on this topic, but to clarify this topic cannot be comfortably folded into probit model, though it is notable enough to support a standalone article. 107.77.203.224 (talk) 17:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- I do have expertise in this area, but as FOARP correctly pointed out, Wikipedia is not a textbook. We discuss topics like the probit model for a general audience, and leave specializations like Probit model for panel data with heterogeneity and endogenous explanatory variables for textbooks. --bender235 (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per bender235.4meter4 (talk) 16:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete, as non-encyclopedic. If the base article needs to be easy to understand, so does this. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Ace & Son
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Per WP:BEFORE searches, including custom searches, this design and animation production company fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Additionally, source searches are providing very little content about this company in general, even in non-reliable sources. North America1000 02:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete Notability is not inherited. I am unable to locate any significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content, fails GNG. HighKing++ 11:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
3G Studios
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Per WP:BEFORE searches, including custom source searches, this video game development company does not meet WP:CORPDEPTH. Most of the sources used in the article are unreliable relative to Wikipedia's required sourcing standards (WP:RS), and therefore do not contribute to notability, and source searches are only providing passing mentions. North America1000 02:05, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete. The most I can find in reliable sources is the firm hiring Drew Markham as president and firing him not eight months thereafter.[3][4][5] Other sources include "3G developed X / partnered with Y" (example), but all in all, nothing about this company satisfies WP:SIGCOV or WP:NCORP. Lordtobi (✉) 07:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as it fails to meet WP:GNG. Spy-cicle (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with Spy-cicle, fails to meet WP:GNG. Tiger Trek (talk) 11:16, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - just doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. Videogameplayer99 (talk) 21:22, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete- per above. Timur9008 (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability, fails GNG and NCORP. HighKing++ 19:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Tone 09:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Sammy Stone Atchison
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Nothing on Newspapers.com, American Radio History, etc. Sources are entirely primary. Billboard has nothing on the guy. No charted singles, only a passing mention in Record World, Passingly mentioned in some articles on Elvis, but most of this is just other people quoting him. Seems to be an utter failure of WP:NMUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:54, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Comment. He appears to have a section in the book I Am Elvis: A Guide to Elvis Impersonators devoted to him ([6]), although how detailed it is or how good it is as a source I couldn't say. --Michig (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Tool Box. Tone 09:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Ten Pound Hammer
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Not a valid disambig since both refer to the same song. (It was also the B-side to "Cain's Blood" by 4 Runner.) The song does not seem to meet WP:NSONGS, so there's no way this could be fleshed out into an article. Since neither album seems a more valid redirect target than the other (and again, since there's a third version as well), there's really nothing to do here except deletion.
(also yes, I am very much aware of the irony of this nomination... where did you think my username came from?) Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep: redirects from songs to album articles are common: here we need a dab page because it's on two albums. PamD 09:40, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Per wp:ONEOTHER, wouldn’t a redirect (to the original) and hat note do the job? (Note there were 4 entries until cross-namespace links to WP and User: space were removed, which I feel should stay removed). –xenotalk 09:52, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: No need for a disambig page for two songs (that are the same song), both of which are unnotable themselves. Redirect to Aaron Tippin's album and leave a hat note. --Darth Mike(talk) 15:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with Darth above. It seems unnecessary to have this page when both versions of the song are non-notable. The article for Tippin's album already mentions that the song was covered by Barbara Mandrell and that is sufficient for the interested reader. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Delete per the above discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 03:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Tool Box as it could be a viable search term. I have changed my vote per Shhhnotsoloud's comment below. Aoba47 (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Tool Box where the other use is explained. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:08, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Tool Box as suggested above. That should help anyone looking for the song, not the person. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 12:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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