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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 08:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Miss Melera has not been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works. In the references given this mentions her in one sentence along with other DJs; this merely has a photo of her (she is not even mentioned in the article); this is a social media site for electronic music; and this like the second merely has a photo of Melera and doesn't even mention her. The article makes no claims of albums charting, being certified gold, or any other facet of WP:MUSIC. She may meet the criteria but this article isn't reflecting it. Justeditingtoday (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Lacks the coverage needed for WP:MUSICBIO. Agree with nom regarding article sources. Searching finds plenty of mentions in event performer lists. Best found was this event bio blurb. Happy to reconsider if better sources are found. Gab4gab (talk) 22:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Although it sounds notable from the first sentence "...in 150 cities" this is in fact just a national academic competition like hundreds that happen all over the world all the time. Article - which also appears promotional for the Gate Academy - was mostly written by a COI editor and all the references are primary. There's not a lot out there in terms of references and many are to this which appears to be a different competition with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 23:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Unreleased films only meet film notability if production is notable. This makes no mention of anything notable about production. Google search shows the meaning of the word and other previous films with this title, but no mention of an upcoming 2017 film. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a tweet by the lead actor, posing for an on-location selfie with co-actor Sonia Aggawal, dated March, 6 2017: https://twitter.com/iamlakshmirai/status/838997960906133505 The publicity has apparently been less so far.103.74.141.16 (talk) 04:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Duplicate page with more information Tomcohen05 (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep, tentatively: I see that this article was created 12 May 2016 (see this early version with substantially the same material as had already appeared in the "Berggruen Philosophy Prize" section of the Berggruen Institute article. There is duplication, yes, e.g. listing all members of the awards committee, which should not be in two places. It may be reasonable for the material to be split out of the Institute article, and then its section should now be edited down. --doncram 02:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - assuming this is an annual prize (as it is intended to be), it is useful to have a page independent of the institution. If the prize was discontinued, it might makes sense to merge it back into the institute. But the institute's page is long enough that this seems like a nice thing to spin out, as it seems to me to satisfy WP:N. Smmurphy(Talk) 02:07, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, It seems to me that the Berggruen Prize has generated sufficient publicity and is notable enough to warrant its own page, and will certainly continue to each year it is warded. Tmnh07 (talk) 02:31, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Consensus is that he fails WP:NFOOTBALL and the coverage is not sufficient to meet the WP:GNG. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article on a footballer who has never played in a fully-professional league, thus failing WP:NFOOTY. The article is also written in a suspiciously promotional tone by an SPA who has suddenly reappeared after four months without editing to ask why it's being deleted. Was prodded, but removed by an IP without explanation. Number 57 20:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article's creator has admitted to being "very close" to the subject. Number 57 22:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:14, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Sampaloc milk tea poisoning (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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As per WP:SENSATION, a minor isolated crime made it to a sensational news series by the local national media. Also fails WP:LASTING since there is no credible notable event arising from this incident. Like a nation-wide law enacted (not just proposed or filed) Hariboneagle927 (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this article. Not everything newsworthy is encyclopedic. No need to have a whole separate article about an alleged crime whose charges have been dismissed, with no WP:LASTING effect. We can put a small amount of content reflecting the concerns about rampant sales of oxalic acid in manila into oxalic acid#Toxicity and safety. Something like, "in 2015, a case of apparent poisoning by oxalic acid raised concerns in Manlila about unrestricted sales of the compound, however, no laws were passed or changed as a followup and the charges in the case were dismissed".ref There are concerns about lots of things, but it doesn't mean we need a separate article on any incident that is related to those concerns. ♠PMC(talk) 19:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Small game company with no evidence of meeting WP:CORP criteria for inclusion. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These are just some quick links i was able to find. A leading gaming company that works with major players in the industry cannot be called small: http://www.adweek.com/digital/qublix-launches-candy-bubble-rush-on-facebook/ https://www.aol.com/article/2012/06/30/jewel-journey-facebook-review/20269716/ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=forest+rescue+game https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=qublix+poker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chriscpop (talkcontribs) 20:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merely "work[ing] with major players" is irrelevant, since "basking in someone else's reflected glory" isn't a notability standard. --Calton | Talk 02:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
YouTube videos on the games that they've made do not establish notability. Read WP:GNG. The topic needs significant coverage from reliable independent sources and it doesn't have that. --The1337gamer (talk) 09:38, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 17:39, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not notable, no sources found Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this is notable enough for a stand alone article. I'll admit that I'm not good at finding things, but there seems to be a lack of significant coverage in reliable independent sources. I suggest we delete this article and merge anything with here with encyclopedic value into other articles. TheDracologist (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. General consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 04:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Very surprised this exists as an independent article and has since 2005. Incredibly minor character from an important novel with slightly less minor appearance in a much less famous work by the same author. I don't doubt that, given the amount of scholarship on Tolkien's work, a lot of critical work has covered this character, but it seems incredibly arbitrary that Farmer Maggot gets a standalone article while Durin's Bane is consigned to a list within an article on its species -- maybe create Hobbit#Individual hobbits? While my experience with Wikipedia's coverage of Game of Thrones characters made finding this article a breath of fresh air (how rare it is that English Wikipedia includes an article on an obscure literary character who specifically wasn't played up in a popular screen adaptation and thus wasn't covered extensively in celebrity gossip mags and the like), I seriously think this article might be pushing it. Hijiri 88 (やや) 13:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's a tough call but I would argue for keeping the standalone article. There are several scholarly works that have analysed this character and like Durin's Bane, Maggot has been the subject of professional Tolkien art. In the end it is the combination of reliable sources that makes one article worth of keeping while another one may get redirected. On that note, Durin's Bane used to be a standalone article too but apparently it was redirected to the main Balrog page because it didn't contain any sources at all and consisted more or less of in-universe content.
Anyhow, should there be consensus to not have a full article on Farmer Maggot, the page should not be deleted but merged into List of Hobbits. De728631 (talk) 16:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I do not favor deleting articles that are more than stubs and that are well sourced. Pages are not a scarce resource to compete for. If some other equally worthy subject does not have its own page, then to me, that justifies writing another page rather than deleting or consolidating what already exists. I don't support keeping arbitrary trivia within articles, and, sure, the whole article in this case might be argued to be trivia. However, given the subject's mention in scholarly works and its portrayal in popular culture, I don't think that argument is likely to succeed. This is not to say that the article is particularly good as written. It's not, but it's also not merely dreck. Strebe (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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@Chiswick Chap: I am sympathetic to the "merge" case made above, and am not that bothered about this either way, but you must understand that GNG is a minimum threshold. The most important part of WP:GNG, which seems to be missed virtually every time the guideline is invoked in AFD discussions, is A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I didn't invoke GNG as a deletion rationale (in fact I specifically said that I don't doubt that, given the amount of scholarship on Tolkien's work, a lot of critical work has covered this character, but it seems incredibly arbitrary that [this fictional character should get a standalone article]. Sorry to nitpick, but this is one of my pet peeves. Hijiri 88 (やや) 01:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. Notability is judged by passing the GNG and more specialised policies in some cases. There's nothing indiscriminate about an article on a well-known and much-loved character discussed in 1,330 books. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are absolutely right to say that [n]otability is judged by passing the GNG and more specialised policies in some cases, but notability isn't the only thing determining what topics have standalone articles on Wikipedia. I would love to see some of the 1,330 books discussing the character in-depth. At present the article cites Chance's monograph as saying something that would probably be more at home in our article on Frodo Baggins (that's the context in which she writes it), Dickerson's article (which I admit I haven't read) as saying something about hobbit society (on which we already have a separate article), two illustrations of the character by famous artists who have probably collectively painted hundreds of named characters in Tolkien's legendarium and which are unreliable sources for just about anything we could say about the character other than that they were painted by Artist X on Date Y, and a couple of fictional books by Tolkien himself. I'm assuming your 1,330 estimate comes from GBooks, but as usual GBooks seems to be playing mind-games with me because I'm only seeing about 60 hits. Hijiri 88 (やや) 08:45, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Your Google-fu is weak! Anyhow, I just added some more analysis on the published Maggot and his early development. De728631 (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into List of hobbits. If there were a List of minor Lord of the Rings characters article, that would work too. There's certainly academic discussion that mentions Maggot, but almost everything I can find discusses him in the context of his effect on Frodo. The most detailed seems to be Atherton's discussion, which talks about prior versions of the character. It's marginal, but I think everything that needs to be said would fit into a list article. I also don't think it particularly helps the reader to have characters such as Ghân-buri-Ghân and Farmer Maggot separated into tiny articles; a single article is much useful to someone exploring the background of the book. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 01:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASRJuliancolton | Talk 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't meet WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete -- a long career but no significant accomplishments. Copy includes trivia and appears to have been written by an editor closely connected to the subject (I'm not alleging that it was, but it reads as such). Not encyclopedically relevant, so delete. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable academic, tagged as such for nine years. While references have been added, it appears largely self-promotion. Ifnord (talk) 19:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The article does not have a single reliable source, and I was not able to find any. I previously blocked the creator per WP:COMPETENCE, and I have serious doubts they understand what reliable sources are. Ymblanter (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Google search provided no RSes. The last AfD was less than a year ago and nothing seems to have changed. It's clear that the subject is a singer and has videos online, but I can't find any sources that help subject meet WP:GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. This is an important temple in U.S would need to be demonstrated by multiple independent sources - and not YouTube videos - to justify an article, alas Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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nothing but WP:ROUTINE coverage. The assertion that it is the oldest Hindu temple in the US could be a claim to notability, but no sourcing is there for that claim and I found none. No indication of any other historic or architectural significance. John from Idegon (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The informations i got about the temple is from their website. It may or may not be the first hindu temple in U.S. but only few temples of Hinduism are scattered over U.S.A, people can knew about them through Wikipedia. This is an important temple in U.S., eventhough it isnt first, it had attracted a large people of Hindus in U.S and had become one of the most famous temple in U.S. So it must be kept on. I am ready to give additional sources and expand it with truthful informations. Please wait until i fully finish the article.--wiki tamil 100 (talk) 03:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided youtube videos related to the rituals celebrated here and expanded it. All try to expand and add reliable sources to the article. --wiki tamil 100 (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Youtube videos showing rituals do not show its notability beyond that there is no third party coverageFORCE RADICAL (talk) 06:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an unnecessary disambiguation page per WP:TWODABS. That aside, I'm not sure how helpful the minor term is, as "re(-)boiler" isn't mentioned at boiler. Perhaps a hatnote would be better off going to wikt:reboiler, where the term in that context is defined. -- Tavix (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 2nd entry doesn't meet MOS:DABMENTION, so I would vote no hatnote. However, even if the 2nd one was a valid entry, per twodabs we are still looking at a hatnote not a dab. Boleyn (talk) 08:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an advertisement, not a valid encyclopedia article. The article starting at the section "Company culture" is pure fluff. Prior to that it relies on two Fox Business sources, by the same author. WP:CORP failure in the extreme. Unsurprisingly, it was created by a one-and-done editor with "SEO" in their name and expanded by another SPA. Bri (talk) 17:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Part advert and part vanity bio of its owner, for a not-really-notable company and minor entrepreneur. The Sundance stuff seems particularly irrelevant. --Calton | Talk 03:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted as a cut-and-paste move (copyright violation). I made a mistake correcting the move, but since the page history only consisted of the copyright violation I'll just leave it deleted, per WP:IAR. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable team, placed 11th in a non-notable tournament. GNG not met. I'd tag it for WP:A7 but the bar for that has been pushed lower than the Mariana Trench. Exemplo347 (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Team DK is China-based, Team-DkS is USA-based and originality-challenged. Exemplo347 (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article created and edited through manipulation of sock puppetry with notability inconclusive due to potentially forged sources Maineartists (talk) 16:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't this be deleted by now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B07D:EF2D:95A7:231B:A68D:FCE9 (talk) 12:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Inadequately sourced article, from which I've had to strip some advertorially-leaning promotional nonsense ("first known superstation"...er, bulldroppings) about a low-power television station. WP:NMEDIA's base requirement for a television station to earn an automatic presumption of notability in the absence of a demonstrated WP:GNG pass is that it actually originates at least a bit of its own original programming (i.e. a local newscast) -- but this station is licensed as a translator, for which there is no automatic presumption of notability. A station without at least a minimal amount of its own local programming can, of course, still build notability through the use of reliable sources that pass WP:GNG -- but there's no evidence of that being shown here, where the only "sources" are the standard media directory external links. This simply rebroadcasts a bunch of network feeds with no evidence of inserting even its own local commercials, let alone any actual local programming, so there's no automatic inclusion freebie in the absence of enough media coverage to clear GNG. Bearcat (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Stations that exist solely as full-time rebroadcasters of networks (or other stations) don't generally receive the presumed notability of broadcast stations unless there's something (preferably verifiable) to indicate the station has been anything more than that. Particularly for these types of low-power stations, you pretty much need more sourcing than the standard FCC and RabbitEars directory sourcing that establish that the station exists — and existence not only isn't notability, but also doesn't prove notability. As far as I can tell, KRID-LD simply doesn't have the sufficient coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline. (And I'd probably go so far as to say that any claim that a low-power station that signed on in 2014 is "the first known TV "Super Station" that broadcasts horizontally and vertically", when the term "superstation" has been around since at least the 1970s, is probably a red flag further establishing non-notability.) --WCQuidditch 21:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Really nowhere to redirect to; station has no cable coverage, claims on website are plain bizarre (Newsmax being the "First dedicated News Network for households that have an antenna"; that network's business strategy is more over the Internet with the allowance to offer the network over-the-air). Usually I'm inclined to keep as an FCC-licensed station, but it seems like this is one of those 'run for fun' stations with no intention to do anything but clog the airwaves and being the 'leftovers' station in the market for declining networks like Retro TV and Heartland, and you can bet the moment H&I gets a full-power slot they're gone from this one. Nate (chatter) 08:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Finnish alternative rock band. Article lacks substantial coverage from independent, reliable sources. Speedy deletion contested. 2 sources, Facebook and Tumblr. Mduvekot (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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created by the subject himself. I don't see he pass the WP notability criteria yet. Saqib (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article about a "series" of books, only one of which has been published, not meeting our notability criteria. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this passes WP:NBIO. Pl wiki has a lot of footnotes, but mostly to crwodsourced Polish hip-hop encyclopedia, and as a semi-wiki it is about as reliable as IMDb (i.e. not really). Few paras in media like [3] don't seem to cut it. One of his albums briefly charted ([4]) but I doubt it is sufficient. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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CV of a businessman that fails WP:GNG. The claim to significance here is that he is the CEO of a subdivision of a larger company. Google returns a few hits in Russian, but they don't appear to be reliable sources. Article reads like it was created to promote the subject. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete You'd expect him to have a Russian wikipedia page if he were notable, no? Not. I couldn't find any significant sources. The sources in the article - aren't nearly enough. There might be Russian language sources out there (not as good in reaching those) -but they aren't cited in the article.Icewhiz (talk) 11:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shinz Stanz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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Contested WP:PROD tag. My original concern, which still stands, was

"Does not meet the requirements of WP:BIO or of WP:GNG. The two references are broken links and I'm unable to find other reliable third-party sources on which we could build a decent article." Pichpich (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No evidence of notability and when looking for reliable third party sources, nothing comes up that could be used. -- Dane talk 19:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017–18 Arizona State Sun Devils women's basketball team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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Another upcoming event template-like article by confirmed sock Lewisthebeaver. No secondary, independent sources. Mduvekot (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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empty upcoming basketball tournament page, basically a template page for Pac-12 Conference Women's Basketball Tournaments by a sock of confirmed sockpuppet Dereks1x. Not likely to every be completed, has no sources. Mduvekot (talk) 14:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Danbury, Essex#Education. (non-admin closure) feminist 04:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I found no notability for this school that teaches children from ages 2 to 11. SL93 (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • delete. Sounds like the sort of place that could be notable, but there is no evidence of it in the article and I could not find anything. The school was founded in 1935 according to its website so maybe someone has written about it since then.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 13:53, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I found no significant coverage per WP:ORG. The beginning sounds like an advertisement. SL93 (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep under criterion #1, nomination withdrawn and no arguments for deletion are outstanding. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot find anything about this group, except for Boston car dealers. I'm assuming that the author is related to David, invented it, or is using this as a promo page. CSDs declined L3X1 (distant write) 13:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Google scholar found four papers calling these things Leinster groups, none by Leinster himself (unsurprisingly — most mathematicians tend not to call things after themselves, preferring to let others do that). They include one where the subject is in the title, in a famous journal: Baishya, Sekhar Jyoti (2014), "Revisiting the Leinster groups", Comptes Rendus Mathématique, 352 (1): 1–6, doi:10.1016/j.crma.2013.11.009, MR 3150758. Another paper primarily on this exact topic (and mentioning the name in the abstract but not the title) is De Medts, Tom; Maróti, Attila (2013), "Perfect numbers and finite groups", Rendiconti del Seminario Matematico della Università di Padova, 129: 17–33, doi:10.4171/RSMUP/129-2, MR 3090628. A more detailed search of papers citing Leinster's unpublished preprint [6] found 11 of them. To me that meets the low bar of WP:GNG for topics of academic research: it is something studied in-depth and published in reliable sources by multiple independent groups of academics. By the way, we might also want to add some disambiguation: Google scholar also finds that "Leinster group" can refer to a group of mountains near Mount Leinster, a series of carved crosses in the high mountains of Ireland, a series of hot springs in Ireland, and a series of nickel sulfide deposits in Australia. Nominator should be warned to follow WP:AGF; the assumption that editors who create articles on obscure topics must be doing so out of self-promotion is a violation of this guideline. And who is David? The article creator is certainly not Tom Leinster, as he doesn't seem to have known that Leinster's paper was eventually published. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Refs seem to establish verifiability and at least minimum notability. See also WP:MANYTHINGS. --Trovatore (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per David Eppstein. Also, the idea that the stub to which CSD tags were added was a promotional article strains credulity. --JBL (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CSD criteria is usually never in perfect alighment. Creativity is sometimes needed. L3X1 (distant write) 01:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:04, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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See WP:NRIVALRY; there is no evidence of this passing WP:GNG. The article is nothing more than original research and a synthesis of match stats. Also see WP:NOTSTATS. Spiderone 12:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unable to substantial independent coverage in reliable sources that demonstrate that WP:NARTIST is met. SmartSE (talk) 11:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tanton2008 (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC) I would strongly advise you to review the references about the artist.[reply]

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Delete Article fails to satisfy the simplest of WP standards, lacks sufficient reliable, independent secondary sources.Cllgbksr (talk) 17:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Calton You're right, there is no such thing as a Wikipedia code. I meant neutrality regarding the secondary sources. We can't subjectively sort secondary sources based on their circulation. Small town newspapers started last century and earned their place to be reliable news sources for local NC community. It looks like they were the first to write about the artist before The Village Voice did in 2000. -- Tanton2008 (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I meant neutrality regarding the secondary sources OK, now you're just using random words you pulled out of the guidelines. And yes, area of coverage -- not circulation, which is your projection -- is one of the many things used to assess sources.
... earned their place to be reliable news sources for local NC community Which, also, no one has questioned, so another straw man. So, to repeat, small-town hometown newspapers do NOT argue for global, national, or even regional notability, nor are they really acceptably reliable sources regarding things outside their circulation area, which you implicitly accept when you wrote "for local NC community". --Calton | Talk 00:09, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - small-town, locally-know artist. The "reference" to the Village Voice, even if we could understand it, apparently only attests that he took place in an exhibit in New York City. This does not constitute the substantive coverage of Coffey which is requisite for notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong/irrelevant question. One more time: the issue is notability, and even if we accept your reframing it's still "no" because whether a source is considered "reliable" depends entirely on what it's a source FOR. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Nothing in its article suggests the Ward Nasse Gallery has any sort of permanent collection nor that exhibiting there is any sort of marker of notability or recognition. And how do you know that this guy's work is owned by Goldman Sachs and/or Cantor Fitzgerald, and what difference would it make that a couple of financial firms needed stuff to hang on the walls of their meeting rooms, anyways? --Calton | Talk 13:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The mere fact of Barron's publishing something about a gallery says little, if anything, about the gallery's notability or usefulness as a mark of recognition for any of the the artists that have displayed there, and even less about any particular artist. And the stuff about financial firms buying any of this guy's stuff is a) irrelevant to saying anything about his notability, status, and/or talent; and b) a CLAIM by the artist himself, so a primary source at best. Random name-dropping is NOT evidence of anything except attempts at resume-padding. --Calton | Talk 04:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, you wrote "keep" twice, then put it in the wrong place. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, according to article references, the Village Voice has written ONCE about a group show he was in. And primary sources are neither marks of notability nor independent confirmation of anything other than existence. --Calton | Talk 13:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The artist had group and solo exhibitions in NYC per references in the article. His artworks are in museums and private collections per references (web and paper). All this info in the article about him --Tanton2008 (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:13, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Article references either lack independence or do not have sufficient breadth of readership (Denver Post) to substantiate a notability claim. I suspect that this article may have been written by someone such as a publisher or marketer (or the book's author?) with a COI, and the paucity of adequate references reflect this. Discussion of the book in independent reliable sources appears to be scarce. Book has won no literary awards and has not been reviewed in a major national newspaper. KDS4444 (talk) 11:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444:But the Denver Post is an independent source, with information about the novels. The lunacon.org source is also independent and has information about the book's author. The novel spent 20 weeks on the Amazon Kindle Bestseller List too. SFrancis1608 (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The lunacon.org identifies the author as one of several presenters at a conference— this is not the same thing as a published independent reliable source, it is only a conference web page with unknown readership and no evidence of editorial oversight; the Denver Post article is independent, yes, but as I already said, I don't think it has the breath of readership to indicate that the books it reviews are going to qualify as notable here on Wikipedia; lastly, having appeared on a bestseller list, while a good start, is not enough to support this notability claim: where was it on this list? Is it a list of fictional books sold or a list of all books sold? How long is the list? If the list is of 200 top fiction books, then being there for 20 weeks at position 187 starts to sound less convincing. If the book was truly notable, there should be ample discussion of it in the book reviews of multiple major national papers— I was not able to find any such discussion. KDS4444 (talk) 12:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444: I read the rules for substantiating Wikipedia articles. There are five sources for the article and five external pages which back up what the article says. I have also quoted from these sources to ensure that the article remains valid.SFrancis1608 (talk) 12:20, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444:The Denver Post picked up their story from Newsday's story on 2/13/2008, about it being one of the first Kindle books: circulation 437,000 Daily 495,000 Sunday. The book was top five on Kindle in action, adventure and war too SFrancis1608 (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444:The Denver Post has a readership of 1.2 million. I think you should take a look at the Wikipedia page for the Denver Post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denver_Post, which will give you more information about how popular the series is. SFrancis1608 (talk) 13:56, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444:I also have physical evidence that supports the validity of this article and the book series. Can we provide details of these sources as back up for a start? SFrancis1608 (talk) 15:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. No evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability standards. References include a wiki, an article with a one two sentence mention of this book, the web site of a company which promotes books on behalf of authors, the web site of a company selling the book, etc. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:55, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesBWatson: But you're forgetting the Denver post article, which has a following of 1.2 million. The article is written in a neutral tone SFrancis1608 (talk) 15:08, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm not. That was that article which I said had a one sentence mention of the book, though checking now I see that actually two of the five sentences about Ben Parris are about Wade of Aquitaine, so I am correcting my post above. However, by no stretch of the imagination is that substantial coverage. As for being "written in a neutral tone", that is totally irrelevant to what I wrote above, which was about lack of evidence of notability. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@JamesBWatson: Could you let me know what is wrong with the article specifically? How can I fix it? SFrancis1608 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't necessarily a question of "fixing"— notability is something which either is or is not, not something which one can fix by changing the presentation of existing information. The book may become notable in the future— that is always a possibility. But that does not mean that there is evidence for its notability right now. KDS4444 (talk) 01:07, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@KDS4444: @JamesBWatson: If notability and substantial coverage vis a vis number of lines in a major paper is what you're concerned about, the entire Newsday story I cited--a full page-- was devoted to this article. SFrancis1608 (talk) 19:09, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just searched the Newsday website (you did not provide a link) but could find no evidence of their having written a piece on this book, though even if I had, "Newsday" appears to be only a local Long Island publication. KDS4444 (talk) 19:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC) Check that, I just did a second search and found the reference. It is titled "Cool2know", and here is the link. What I was not able to determine, however, without paying for access, is whether or not the article even mentions the book. The abstract does not, and the title does not suggest that it does. I am willing to grant (sight unseen) that the article does mention the book somewhere— that alone does not constitute substantive coverage of it. If the article were about the book, and if the article were published in a newspaper with broad circulation (I recant my previous assessment of the Denver Post, which likely does have readership breadth), and if there were at least two such articles in existence, a notability claim might stand. KDS4444 (talk) 20:00, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - this reads like a typical promo piece by somebody with strong affiliation with the books. No evidence that there is any significant notability here. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   19:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There's limited evidence of notability. The book was self-published 9 years ago, and despite claims of initially being highly ranked on the Kindle, only has 22 reviews at this date. I put a delete vote on the author's article as well, since without the book being notable, there's not much else in the media coverage to suggest sufficient notability. Perhaps when the sequel comes out that will bring new interest in his work. Timtempleton (talk) 23:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Book gets zero hits on Google Books, and zero hits on Google News; a regular Google search turns up announcements of the launching of the book, which makes me think this article is basically promotional. No interlanguage links to verify a notability claim. KDS4444 (talk) 11:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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An unnecessary and redundant article. There are two Darksiders games: Darksiders and Darksiders II. This article just rehashes the information on those two pages, without any new information or general overview of the series (which consists of two entries, so there's not much to go on either). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep the subject of the article meets Wikipedia notability criteria. He is a renowned PR executive in Nigeria, whose clientele runs through majority of Nigeria's top celebrities and companies. Pflex (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: It is rude to put people's article up for deletion without any sensible deletion rationale. Typing fails GNG shouldn't be so difficult naa. That being said, article fails WP:NPERSON. the award won isn't notable. Many of the sources present fails Wp:RS. Biographies should be the most thorough of all our articles, everybody shouldn't have a wiki article on himself. Nothing special about this young man to warrant a wiki article. Darreg (talk) 11:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per Darreg, this article fails WP:GNG.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 03:13, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Fairy chess piece#H. redirects are cheap ♠PMC(talk) 03:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not have WP:RSs to satisfy WP:Notability for a stand-alone article. --IHTS (talk) 10:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 21:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Small local show in a town that (no kidding) has 60 residents, but for some reason doesn't qualify for A7. The current sources are literally the only sources. TimothyJosephWood 10:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I... yeah. TimothyJosephWood 10:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a particularly significant run of the mill college. Tagged as unsourced for several years; I found one source showing some creditations, but nothing else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:05, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Closing early per WP:SNOW. It is obvious that this discussion will not result in consensus to delete. Editors remain free to discuss on the talk page whether to merge in content from the history of David Dao (now deleted and redirected to this article, but this is being contested at WP:DRV), or whether to merge part of this content into a more general article about people being forced off airplanes. Any renomination of this article should occur only after the coverage has died down somewhat and the long-term importance of the incident can be better assessed.  Sandstein  16:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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No. Just... no. Fails WP:NOTNEWS and WP:LASTING (and WP:NNEWS in general). This is an incident that has made headlines thanks to a few folks with cell phones and will probably be nonexistent in two months (though my money is a month). Regardless of my personal thoughts on its longevity, it is still TOOSOON to determine if it will have an impact and should be deleted until such time PERSISTENCE has been demonstrated. Primefac (talk) 01:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because...? Primefac (talk) 01:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
front page of NYT and CNN right now, so just keep....just keep or merge cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it makes the front page doesn't mean we must have it. Take a gander at some of those policies I linked. Primefac (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man, I'm just expressing an opinion as a guy who's been an editor for a while. It is obvious that you disagree with me. Leave it at that. cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 02:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Primefac (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You know this how? Primefac (talk) 02:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Remember, 'notable' is not the same as 'important'. DS (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (just kidding) Keep, of course, since I wrote it. It seems to be of greater significance and is likely to have wider impact than, say, the United_Breaks_Guitars incident. I didn't place it in the main UA page in keeping with convention to have incidents on separate pages. See also WP:RAPID. inkstalk 02:24, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be fine with you sandboxing this for a few weeks to see if it really does turn into more than a flash-in-the pan headline grabber. Primefac (talk) 02:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article is more able to develop if people can collaborate outside a single users' sandbox. Why not just re-nominate on AfD after a few weeks? inkstalk 03:14, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry, but this is a notable event not only in the aviation industry but to the general public as well. United violated Federal regulations by removing a fare-paying passenger from a non-overbooked flight and it may well set a legal precedence, not to mention the CDA officers involved in the incident are now suspended under the suspicion of using excessive force. C-GAUN (talk) 03:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You really ought to set your crystal ball down. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Buddy, this is not exactly the article itself isn't it? No one is predicting anything here. The officer who dragged him is already on administrative leave as of this afternoon. If I were "predicting" things then I would bring up the fact that the guy is Asian and singling him out is a form of discrimination. C-GAUN (talk) 03:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That entire comment contained exactly zero references to policy. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:41, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what to tell ya. In fact, the whole nomination, IMHO, is unnecessary at this point per WP:RAPID. I also find that the issue has been covered by so many sources that it has become "very likely to be notable" under WP:EVENTCRIT. FYI, Chinese media are covering the issue now and the netizens are calling to boycott United. C-GAUN (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The event is barely two days old and you are basing your rationale on rumors and social media reactions. You are what people refer to as a "prisoner of the moment".--WaltCip (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
First off , try to be a bit more WP:CIVIL. Official state media such as the People's Daily or the Global Times have been covering the event since this early morning, and there is an article on the new York Times about it. OTOH, I noticed that you have been warned about this before. Guess old habits die hard. C-GAUN (talk) 17:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We're not the news--what is a front page article for a news organization doesn't need to be a standalone article here. So far this hasn't done anything but generate (massive) headlines on social media and in a few news programs, but that this has lasting relevance can't be proven yet. Drmies (talk) 03:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I agree with DrMies. Wikipedia is a reference website. Not a news website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knox490 (talkcontribs) 05:15, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or Keep. I have a slight preference towards merging it under a Controversy section on the United Airlines article. Other airline articles have controversy subbsections, e.g. Qantas. But I can also see this incident and its consequences getting big enough to merit its own article. Am definitely against deletion. Oska (talk) 05:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. IF removed, what instead? Ignore the incident entirely? A brief mention in the Controversies section? Even in 5 years time, it might still be hard to evaluate the significance of the incident; it may be eventually a turning point for UA, or a turning point may come later after more such incidents TGcoa (talk) 07:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This incident has gotten big enough internationally to the point of becoming of worldwide scrutiny. Furthermore, if the incident of the San Bernardino North Park Elementary School shooting is able to have a its own page why can't this incident as well? It's quite a controversial move that United Airlines made which has stimulated national discussion regarding the practices of overbooking and the use of force for civil matters. >>Atsuke (talk) 08:18, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The subject is notable and internationally so. An article about the incident in China alone has more than 100 million views. It is also the second massive PR blunder at United in just a few weeks. Adraeus (talk) 09:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.In line with the emphasis that Wikipedia has I feel that there is a duty of care with regards to maintaining this information for future UNITED passengers and making sure that this and events liked it are catalogued in a fair and open way.194.66.32.17 (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The story is big enough to deserve an article. It seems to have too much content to merely merge with the main UA article. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 11:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, re notnews, but rewrite and transwiki to wikinews, then add a link from main UA article to that article.--KTo288 (talk) 11:41, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative keep, otherwise merge to either UA or overbooking article. This article in its current form is poorly written, enough to trigger this AfD. But I see some parallels to this particular AfD about a tasing incident, and apply an old argument that "WP:NOT#NEWS expressly states that "topics in the news may also be encyclopedic subjects when the sources are substantial"". Also considering WP:EVENT as a more up-to-date criteria: The level of coverage is substantial, the list of secondary sources that easily passes WP:V should prima facie suffice: This has turned into an investigation from DOT [7], suspension (and possibly charges) [8], a looming lawsuit [9], and an issue about race and response from a foreign country's population [10] [11] and all things considered prima farcie passes WP:GNG. Going by the airline incident criteria, this incident has a reasonable chance of "(resulting) in changes to procedures, regulations or processes affecting airports, airlines or the aircraft industry". Also see America West Airlines Flight 556 and nut rage incident where airline incidents in very unusual circumstances makes them sufficiently notable; to be forcibly removed in such a violent manner where the passenger has not posed a threat to safety is "extremely unusual" here [12]. - Mailer Diablo 12:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Mailer Diablo, thanks for laying out the case--though I am not convinced that this adds up to an independent article. If that were the case then millions of singular events can be split off from what otherwise would be main articles--think of Trump's tweets, for instance, every single one of which can be considered notable if we disregard NOTNEWS. John, I still think we're in "merge" territory here. Drmies (talk) 14:30, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep - High Controversay. Otherwise, move to Wikinews .--1233Talk 13:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1233 (talkcontribs) [reply]
  • Delete per above or merge somewhere, doesn't pass WP:EVENT for a standalone article too. Brandmeistertalk 13:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - You have got to be fucking kidding me. How much more of a blatant violation of WP:NOTNEWS can you get? For God's sake.--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has a paragraph in its proper context at Overselling#Airlines. Truth be told, even that is probably disproportionate. Delete. —Cryptic 13:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete Per NOTNEWS. One of the more spectacular cases of WP:RECENTISM I have seen in a while. Long term significance is likely to be nil. Clearly fails the Ten Year Test. This is tabloid silliness that has no place in an encyclopedia. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete This is exactly what NOT#NEWS and NEVENT are advising not to do, rush to create an article just because there's a burst of news. If this is still in the news in any serious manner next week, then maybe there's something, but that's why NEVENT warns not to rush to create articles just on a burst of news but wait until significance in the long-term has been identified. --MASEM (t) 13:36, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Mailer Diablo. --John (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2017 (UTC) On reflection, Merge is a better outcome for now, with no prejudice against recreating in a couple of weeks if warranted. --John (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - turning into a major controversy, United shares plummeting. Mjroots (talk) 14:05, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete at this point. The primary objection I have to most of the keep arguments here is that they either focus too much on ephemeral news coverage or rely on some future notability. We're not here to include an article based on its future notability, but on its present notability. Maybe this will be demonstrably notable at some point. But it's then that we should have an article, not now. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As previously stated several times above, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. Sario528 (talk) 14:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep this event was widely covered which goes beyond routine news coverage. Also notability is not temporary.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 16:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Widespread coverage, United stocks have already fallen, and this event might lead to significant policy changes.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep: To simply say that this is "non news" that is simply being posted because of a few people that took videos with cell phones is simply wrong. It's already caused a major plummet in the company's stock, talk of calls for the CEO's resignation and skewering on late night comedy shows. As somebody not far above me said, it works both ways. This should stay for now. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The stock market one or two days after an event is hardly a good barometer for notability. Look for long-term trends rather than instant reactions. The social media does a really good job at over-amplifying the impact an event has within the first few relative minutes of coverage.--WaltCip (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Look, don't go pulling out one element of what I said and trying to use it. So maybe that by itself isn't a good indicator, but in combination with other things, I thing it has merit. And I'm certainly hardly the only one to mention it. In any case, yeah, widespread notability, as so many others have said. ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or redirect/merge to United Airlines]. Yes, it is IN THE NEWS, with lots of coverage, since "If it bleeds, it leads." But no, Wikipedia is not "News of The Week.." Fails WP:NOTNEWS. Tens of thousands of airline passengers a year do not get to fly due to airlines' overbooking. Others have had to get off the plane, and did so without drama, as did three passengers before the one man refused to comply with orders of the police to get off. There have been lots of other videos of people being dragged screaming off planes. It might deserve inclusion at the United Airlines article, since they apparently botched the process, when they could have seated the 4 employees before boarding the passengers, could have offered more money to get people to surrender their seats, or the police could have used more persuasion or simple strength to remove an elderly man rather than somehow smashing his face into something and dragging him down the aisle, then somehow letting him run back onto the plane several minutes later and removing him a second time. Then there is the tone-deaf post by an airline executive about having to "re-accomodate" passengers. Whatever slight coverage the incident merits would amount to a couple of sentences at United Airlines. It looks silly to have this article with its infobox listing "1 injured, 70 survivors" as if it were a plane crash. Edison (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Widespread coverage, such an event should be kept to help the firms learn to behave themselves better to their customers. DanGong (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia's mission is not moral righteousness.--WaltCip (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep, or barring that, merge. The passenger-dragging incident is notable, since it sparked worldwide, probably-lasting outrage and many people are now reading about it. It does not violate WP:NOTNEWS since this doesn't read like a newspaper story or a short-term localized event. We are here to serve readers (of which I am one), not what a few editors think. However, I suggest we move it to another page. epicgenius (talk) 18:12, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - for now as meeting WP:GNG. In a month's time, when the dust has settled, then the position can be reviewed and a decision made whether this was simply a transient news event per WP:NOTNEWS or whether there is encyclopaedic value. Deleting now, only for it to be possibly recreated if it turns out there is long-term value, is sub-optimum. Just Chilling (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Does not need an article of its own; can be a footnote in the main United article. This is just another example of a 24-hour news cycle/social-media-fueled outrage pile-on that will be quickly forgotten as soon as the next news cycle/social-media outrage pops up. While it is in the news, its notability will fade in a matter of weeks, if not days. Darkest Tree Talk 18:19, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural keep. Whether this falls into the category of NOTNEWS or has a lasting significance remains to be determined, and will largely depend on the follow-up and the media coverage to said follow-up. In the event that the follow-up establishes notability, then obviously there's no benefit to deleting. In the event that there is little or no follow-up and this was simply a 24 hour story that everyone forgets, to keep this discussion running will prejudice the likely future nomination in favour of keep, when in fact the correct decision might be to delete. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 18:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is a hugely notable incident based on the coverage in sources. This is also one of the lowest points in United Airlines history, and possibly in US airline industry in general. My very best wishes (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Keep This is easily one of the worst PR disasters of any business in the last 5 to 10 years. Even more. It could have lasting consequences for a lot of people and keeping this for posterity and reference ensure that Wikipedia remains not only a "collection of facts" but an engaged and ever-evolving tool in these times.--DGT15 (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The event has created a strong reaction from politicians, tv personalities, and activists. This follows Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If the Balloon Boy Hoax can get its own Wikipedia page, so can this. Alexf505 (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this. This will go down in the history as an example of poor management of a crisis situation. Many future students of PR will benefit from this entry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.106.103.56 (talkcontribs)
  • Keep. This isn't just a news trend that will fade. This is one of the lowest points in United Airlines history. If it must be deleted, all the important information should be transported to the United Airlines page under controversies. Gotta edit 'em all 18:01, 11 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivaorn (talkcontribs)
  • Keep A lot of the arguments above and poor and not based in policy but overall I have to lean towards keep. Public relations damage and financial implications do appear to be materialising which gives this some lasting significance. WP:NOTNEWS actually states As Wikipedia is not a paper source, editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events. WP:NOTNEWS discourages "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities" - not major controversies. AusLondonder (talk) 19:35, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep We still have United Breaks Guitars 168.215.131.150 (talk) 19:48, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I can understand why this was nominated but the story has developed rapidly since that happened. The United CEO who was named "Communicator of the year" by PR Week just a few weeks ago is now being criticized for a PR disaster in using the "re-accomodating" euphemism and is now calling it a "horrific event" and promising changes in procedures. And then we have the outrage in China and accusations of racism. This goes way beyond routine news coverage so WP:NOTNEWS does not apply here.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The news is growing with people calling for a boycott and stock dropping. Might be a delete a month from now after the news dies down. Dislike calls for speedy deletion while the topic is hot and growing. Can't be sure where the tip of the mountain is at. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge merge to the UA article. This incident is notable as an illustration of corporate bullying!!--Petebutt (talk) 20:15, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If United Breaks Guitars is an article, this should certainly be. Czolgolz (talk) 20:17, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

3rd arbitrary section break

  • Delete or Merge I feel that what is already included in the United Airlines is plenty of information to support the topic at hand. Just because this recived a lot of media attention dosn't mean an article is needed. An event like this reciving this much contervocy is normal for todays socity. --KDTW Flyer (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rewrite per NOTNEWS and DINC (or merge, whichever action seems more appropriate). While it's definitely TOOSOON right now, the vast number of reliable sources found clearly indicates that this event has already had a major enough impact to warrant notability. However, it still needs to be rewritten to comply with GNG. ToThAc (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. The incident is clearly notable, however, I feel as if there is a disconnect between the article structure and the actual subject. The name and structure of the article uses the template for aircraft incidents. However, this was not an aircraft incident, it was an airline incident. The flight number of the aircraft is irrelevant. The article should be renamed to something along the lines of 2016 United Airlines incident. The general content reminds me of something like The Bus Uncle. Note that the article is largely about the incident itself, and not about the vehicle in which the incident occurred. --NoGhost (talk) 23:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete: - under WP:NOTNEWS. Sufficiently covered under United Airlines. Also article is misnamed (although that's not grounds for deletion). -Drdisque (talk) 23:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep as Wikipedia is indeed a news source. --24.112.201.254 (talk) 23:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • To be clear, however, those policies state "As Wikipedia is not a paper source, editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events" AusLondonder (talk) 00:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is a borderline case but it does appear there have been some real consequences as a result. AusLondonder (talk) 01:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
70-16, no including merge votes. I hope the closing admin recently finished memorising WP, or we will be back here in a few months…L3X1 (distant write) 12:54, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As mentioned by others, WP:NOTNEWS states "editors are encouraged to include current and up-to-date information within its coverage, and to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events." (emphasis mine). Presumably, a significant current event is one that meets the WP:EVENT tests; and WP:SUSTAINED defers to WP:EVENT inclusion criteria. User:Mailer_diablo has shown above how this event meets those criteria - even more so now than when they first commented. WP:RECENTISM is not a policy, and so WP:EVENT should take precedence. Finally, the reason this AfD is so fluid is that the initial nomination was made contrary to WP:RAPID. Instead of waiting "a few days" as suggested, the nomination was made two and a half hours after the page was created. inkstalk 13:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:OR Cabayi (talk) 09:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as per my comment on the author's talk page: With regards to your Top 75 K-Pop list, I was wondering which source you use to create this list and if there are any references outlining your claim that manipulated videos are excluded. What evidence is there and are there any sources or statements from Youtube? The ranking looks a lot like a Youtube user created playlist which may not meet standards as reliable source (WP:RELIABLE). To avoid concerns as original research (WP:OR), we would be looking for verifiable third party sources to ensure the list is complete and does not arbitrarily exclude certain videos. Going forward, what are your plans to update this list as time progresses, to void the list becoming a moment-in-time snapshot with diminishing relevance over time? Jake Brockman (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. North America1000 21:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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No reason this meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Minor company that made few minor flying contraptions, no references to speak of, except few obscure mentions in niche flying enthusiast works. Leaving aside notability of its products, notability is not inherited, so this entry has to stand on its own. And it clearly fails at that. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded without rationale, and with the addition a single primary reference. Article currently has no references from independent, reliable sources. No indication of notability. Searches turned up 3 brief mentions. Onel5969 TT me 11:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Sorry for no rationale, it appeared as an obvious keep to me. I've gone and added a couple more references to fill it out. I'm not sure what the "3 mentions" are, but I pulled up many English-language references and 100s of Chinese-language references after a quick search. --NoGhost (talk) 19:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - Obvious keep from me too. One of the major sites of Suzhou. References in the article demonstrate passing notability guidelines. The nom should be aware that WP:AFD only requires the existence of sources, not that they already be in the article. Frequently with Chinese names, there are multiple alternate Latin character spellings. With this subject there is at least "Zhongyuan Temple" (as indicated on Google Maps) and "Chongyuan Temple" as well as the simplified Chinese "重元寺" all of which bring up much more than three "brief mention" search results. --Oakshade (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded, although editor agreed with the lack of notability. A local church, searches turned up zero to indicate notability. Onel5969 TT me 11:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) feminist 04:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable minor television series; lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources, failing WP:GNG. Only coverage are mere mentions or press release summaries/cancelation notices, not significant coverage. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 04:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aviation Innovation, Reform, and Reauthorization (AIRR) Act (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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An unpassed U.S. bill. Not a law: a bill. Sources that basically say "Look, here's a bill" or "Look, here's a bill and here's what might happen if it passed. WP:CRYSTAL applies. Calton | Talk 11:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your work here. I know you are trying to improve the encyclopedia, as am I. However, I respectfully disagree.
Per the Wikipedia guideline for Notability: "On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article." Source: WP:N.
Per the Notability guidelines:
"A topic is presumed to merit an article if:
* It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right; and
* It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy." Source: WP:N.
The article passes Wikipedia's test for new articles, which can be found at the same page I've sourced above or specifically the section on that page which can be found at WP:GNG.
Here are the itemized requirements found at WP:GNG which is listed at WP:N:
* The article has significant coverage. While it only needs one source of significant coverage, it has several. Please view the list of references on the article you've proposed deleting. Among the references are Forbes, Fortune, the Wall Street Journal, the Competitive Enterprise Institute think tank, The Hill, and The New York Times.
* Reliable sources. I would argue pretty easily that the above-mentioned resources are reliable and meet "editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline".
* Secondary sources. The sources listed above are secondary, not primary.
* "Independent of the subject." The bill and bill's authors did not write the news articles used as references listed above; thus the references are independent of the subject.
The article is written in the past tense modal, (i.e. the bill "would have" done x, y z) because the congressional session in which the bill was introduced has concluded. The verb tense should not be confused as a "crystal ball". It makes no predictions of the future.
Additionally, it's worth noting that dozens of legislative articles exist for bills that were not signed into law. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_legislation_of_the_114th_United_States_Congress and see similar categories for other Congresses. There are probably hundreds of unpassed bills that are standing articles in Wikipedia.
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  • Strange new meaning of "excellent" I was previously unaware of, since it's mostly irrelevant to the deletion reasoning. And cutting-and-pasting irrelevant policy/guideline text doesn't really impress me. --Calton | Talk 03:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 20:59, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to be a pretty non-notable fashion designer, finding barely any sources that aren't user-created or social media/networking related. Mabalu (talk) 10:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:44, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 07:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • 20-Mule-Team Delete: Backup goalie with an ephemeral career in the semi-pros. Overwhelming failure of NHOCKEY and no evidence this meets the GNG; even by Dolovis' "standards," this a bit outrageous, and the only excuse I can think of is he was hoping no one would ever notice. Ravenswing 12:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its the awards. He was on a streak for awhile creating articles for anyone who won an award because at one point any award from any minor league worked for NHOCKEY. This was one of the many Dolovis loop holes we closed. -DJSasso (talk) 17:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails pornbio and being an incidental target in a wider investigation on underage porn doesnt make you notable, if all we have is an interview and that than the article is hopelessly and unfixably flawed, fails pornbio and gng and even if it passed would be Blp1e Spartaz Humbug! 06:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 20:54, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominations only so fails pornbio and clearly fails the gng Spartaz Humbug! 06:50, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:41, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced WP:CRYSTAL Cabayi (talk) 06:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Despite arguments to the contrary from what appear to be WP:SPAs, this topic doesn't meet WP:GNG at this time. ♠PMC(talk) 03:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFILM: No coverage in reliable sources and no evidence to support notability. GSS (talk|c|em) 09:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Amavaskiraat: I don't think just one source is enough to support notability and as per the source the film was released on 30th March but not received any reviews which is very uncommon for notable films. GSS (talk|c|em) 11:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS-1987: Hi, this is not the only reference. We have Radio Mirchi, wynk and hungama also in the references which are all independent and reliable. I checked for your review concern, and found that the film was released on 30th March digitally across the platforms, thus formal reviews are yet not available. Though I agree that we need more references, I think we have enough sources for the article to LIVE with the template WP:TM. Amavaskiraat (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Radio Mirchi and wynk are not reliable to support notability and yes the article need more reliable sources which address the topic directly and in details. GSS (talk|c|em) 16:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete: Fails WP:GNG criteria for WP:Notability and cant possibly satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (films) because it is an advertisement for a trailer of an upcomming film. I originally tagged the article and went to the talk page regarding issues. The more I thought about it, the more I realized there is just no notability for a trailer advertising a future film release. From the talk page: "This article is about a trailer, for a yet to be released film, and not the film itself. This means that it is promotional advertisement for a film with an unknown release date which is a future event. Other issues are the puffed up wording in the lead, "one of most haunted locations of India" that gets promoted to "the world’s most haunted location, Bhangarh". This is certainly dubious speculation, and even if there were multiple reliable sources, the wording would be subjective. Without attribution it is original research.
    • notability: There are six references. 3 references are from the same "Hungama, Bollywood" source (counts as one towards notability and the last one is a dead link), radiomirchi.com is an audio review which is advertisement, YouTube (Dark Moon - Horror Channel) is about the trailer, and "Wynk Music" is about the three songs supposedly on the film, and I didn't look at reference reliability. The title of the article is Bhangarh: The Last Episode, not Bhangarh: The Last Episode trailer. Otr500 (talk) 08:40, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article was created from a neutral point of view from the sources available at that time. The pillar of WP:5P2 was justified. Out of the sources now present with the article Bollywood Hungama and Wyunk are totally reliable sources. Wynk is a platform of Airtel, which is independent and so the Bollywood Hungama. The article in reference says that the film is released digitally. I have checked all over and found full movie available on many platforms. It seems to me an independent film not with the backing of big studios, which may be the reason for only a few sources available. Also I have read several articles on wikipedia where the notability is a concern or not so many reliable sources are attached with the article. But those article exists and thus gives chance to our readers to access information related to them. Having a fewer notable sources attached should not be the criteria for deleting an article altogether. One of our five pillar is WP:5P5, this article deserves to exists with the template WP:TM. Amavaskiraat (talk) 17:16, 13 April 2017 (UTC) Note to closing admin: Amavaskiraat (talkcontribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
  • Keep. The article is not about a yet to release film. The sources says the film was released on 30th march'2017 digitally, links for full movie are available. puffed up wording needs the warning for citation, which is already there (Though an editor has added some notability for it now). As for as the number of sources are concerned WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV clearly says "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage".Aniltheultimate (talk) 14:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aniltheultimate: I have strucked my comment and for your vote please read the above comment by Otr500 which I think is a good explanation on why this article should be deleted. Thank you – GSS (talk|c|em) 09:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Vikasthefalcon: The reason is very clear as it fails to pass our notability criteria and since its your 7th edit so far please read our general notability guideline and WP:NFILM to know why I nominate this article for deletion. Thank you – GSS (talk|c|em) 07:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@GSS-1987: Yes I have checked WP:GNG and WP:NFILM and I am totally agree with Aniltheultimate that "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage". Also I don't understand on what basis it is being speculated in the discussion that source related to Radiomirch.com is an ADVERTISEMENT and sources related to Bollywood Hungama and Hungama.com are SAME (both are different platforms, the first one deals in entertainment and later one deals in digital music and both are operated by different editors and teams). Also why source related to Wynk.com are not considered for altogether, It is the digital music platform of Airtel and totally reliable. Thank and Regards. Vikasthefalcon (talk) 15:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was deleted per WP:G12. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Autobiography of an up-and-coming rapper, written by the subject. We don't have articles on up-and-coming musicians, they must have already arrived according to WP:MUSICBIO. The sources provided don't have significant coverage; the interview counts as a primary source. I can't verify reference 2 because I get a malware warning on that site. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (No prejudice against speedy renomination per no participation herein other than from the nominator.) North America1000 20:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Still is not notable (limited sources) after a few years... Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is that coverage of the group has not been sufficient to establish notability. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Alleged to be a db-corp article, but there is history here and the article has some references (albeit iffy in quality). Listing for community input. TomStar81 (Talk) 05:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - The article cites eight secondary sources. Additional available sources include one book, two magazine articles, and several newspaper articles. The article has been viewed by about nine readers per day for the last year.- MrX 12:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per WP:GNG. Not a run-of-the-mill church. StAnselm (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC) Delete. The more I look at it, the more I see a WP:COATRACK article here. The "Sons of Thundr" are not a church, but an organization based at a church. It was the organisation that was listed by SPLC (though that in itself doesn't make it notable). So we have a church, a pastor, and an organisation - all of whose notability is borderline. I don't think we can put them all together and say that they add up to being notable. StAnselm (talk) 02:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- It appears to be a NN local church, which has become the subject of an ATTACK ARTICLE. If kept, it should be renamed Faith Baptist Church, Primrose. I do not believe the spelling currently used in the name, which is properly a reference to two of Jesus' apostles. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not sufficient media coverage to warrant an entire article. Even the founder isn't notable enough to be on Wikipedia. This entire article could be a one sentence line in another article, maybe in Christian fundamentalism#In North America. "The Faith Baptist Church of Georgia is an example of a fundamentalist organization that espouses hate speech."Timtempleton (talk) 00:02, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:23, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG JMHamo (talk) 21:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:GNG. applying WP:BEFORE a thorough search for sources found no significant coverage. Those arguing for keep must demonstrate existence of significant coverage LibStar (talk) 23:49, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. It can be developed in some form, perhaps with development of coverage at a corresponding list-article then merger/redirect for a while. I removed PROD at article and tried to open discussion at Talk:Old Belize Museum and Cucumber Beach#notability and development, but the deletion nominator opens this AFD instead. This AFD and some others like it rub me the wrong way, it feels like AFD being used for coercion, and I am not really happy about trying to actually find usable sources and develop. I guess wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP doesn't describe the issue; the goal is just to tear down, while coercing unfortunate other editors to go along? Seems like there is no shared value of developing Wikipedia coverage of notable topics anyhow. --doncram 05:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
this is not a clean up. it is not notable for lack of coverage and fails WP:GNG. I am not really happy about trying to actually find usable sources . the onus is on keep voters to find sources. this is how AfD works. if you're not happy with that...then please read WP:AFD carefully. LibStar (talk) 06:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In fact the only source you've actually found is the lonely planet guide . If that's the best you can found than the case for notability is very weak. LibStar (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) L3X1 (distant write) 02:02, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable "festival" is onyl 2 years old, 2 mentions in English press. L3X1 (distant write) 01:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 00:12, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable event. Predominately relies on primary sources. There does not appear to be a breath of coverage as justified at: Wikipedia:Notability (events) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Every other "draft" the company has had has an article. What makes this different? More sources will come. Give it a little time to build up before jumping on the delete button. --JDC808 01:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I know about that. Doesn't change my point. You're jumping on this way too early. --JDC808 01:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Come on now. Lets not get silly. This is a significant event in the world of pro wrestling and definitely shouldn't gey deleted. --ZSJUSA 01:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As I see, you also nominated to delete the article about WWE Draft 2016. Every draft has own article, especially 2008-2010 as featured articles. It's a notable event, changes storylines played on TV and others. --Wybielacz (talk) 01:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Looking over that keep/delete discussion, almost all the points to keep for that article can be applied here. --JDC808 02:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's last year all over again. It has significant coverage (The AV Club, FOX Sports, CBS Sports, Daily Mirror etc.). Failure to perform WP:BEFORE. Nickag989talk 07:11, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral note Please note AfD rationales are keep, delete, redirect and merge, not oppose/unoppose; please keep this in mind and change your rationales for proper tracking by admins and bots. Nate (chatter) 09:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's a major promotion [WWE] that's having a draft, which makes it significantly notable. Optimistic Wikipedian (User_talk:Optimistic Wikipedian) 13:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The WWE Draft and the WWE Superstar shake-up play a very relevant role in the WWE. It's a tradition of the WWE since the start of the brand extension. Also, as with the other WWE draft articles, it must not be deleted as there might be additional sources (Pro Wrestling Torch, Bleacher Report, Cageside Seats, WhatCulture Wrestling, etc.). Hansen Sebastian 16:05, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

The latter three sources are not reliable per WP:PW/RS, but your statement is solid. Nickag989talk 16:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per reliable source coverage --wL<speak·check> 03:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- I do agree that it was a significant event in WWE History. But I would recommend adding this page as a subpage in WWE draft- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbirCB (talkcontribs) 16:14, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And that means that we should do the same thing with 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008 (featured article), 2009 (featured article), 2010 (featured article), 2011, and 2016, right? Well, that's just redundant. Nickag989talk 18:33, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - you did the same thing with last year's draft and it was agreed to be kept so why try it again with this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwefan5x (talkcontribs) 02:38, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment:This article does not meet wikipedia's notability guideline and contain information without any citation that's why I am nominating the article for deletion.ABCDE22 (talk)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 05:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The list does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists. It is virtually unsourced. It amounts to original research. It has been tagged for many months without any improvements. Felsic2 (talk) 15:00, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources;" articles surveying alternative calibers for the AR-15 platform are a mainstay of gun mags, e.g.:
http://www.gunsandammo.com/tactical/best-ar-15-cartridges-right-now/
http://www.outdoorhub.com/how-to/2017/03/20/ar-15-deer-hunting-cartridges-magnificent-7/
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/12/15/variant-chamberings-ar-platform/
http://www.tactical-life.com/gear/beyond-223-alternative-cartridges-ar-platform-roundup/
The article's poor formatting and lack of citations are not valid reasons to delete it; WP:ATD "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." TiC (talk) 13:57, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:ATD above Seraphim System (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. – Juliancolton | Talk 17:41, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Improperly sourced WP:BLP of a writer and activist. There's definitely a valid potential claim of notability here, but there's not enough substance or enough reliable sourcing to get the shot into the net -- as written, this only just barely goes any further than "Robert Carr is a person who exists", and both of its references are to content written by him rather than about him. As always, a writer gets over our inclusion standards by being the subject of media content written by other people, not by being the bylined author of media content about other things. I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody can find better sources than I've been able to, but nothing here is good enough as things stand right now. Bearcat (talk) 14:41, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment I think it's also important to recognize that widely regarded activists like Dr. Carr (as seen by his remembrances), who are coming from developing countries like Trinidad and Jamaica where there is little to no social, political, legal, etc. mobilization/support/dialogue on HIV/AIDS and gender identity issues, are not going to have the same size editorial trail as their American and European counterparts. He is in a unique position because he appears to be a pioneer, of sorts, for the Caribbean region, in a relatively recent global movement that is still ongoing. I think the fact that he is cited by the publications and organizations that he is, easily satisfies the notability requirement. I've found the following secondary sources pertaining to Dr. Carr (a few of which have already been mentioned):

°Hon. Barbara Lee in United States House of Representatives (here) °The Atlantic (here) °The Robert Carr Doctrine (here) °amfAR (here) °UNAIDS (here) °[World] (here) °The Global Forum on MSM & HIV (here) °LA Times (here) °ICASO (here) °Human Rights Watch (here) °Pan American Health Organization (here) °UNAIDS Caribbean (here) °The Jamaica Observer (here) °Metropolitan Community Churches (here) °Stabroek News - (here) Channyloulou (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)Channyloulou (talk)[reply]

  • Comment Delete GS cites of 106, 36, 38, 37, 30, 64, 5, 5, 12 a bit slender for WP:Prof#C1. Above claim that that allegedly under represented communities should be subjected to lower standards of notability has been dismissed WP:Notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC).[reply]
  • Comment I don't think it should be held to lower standards, thus my citations and ongoing additions to the page that continue to satisfy notability. I mentioned it because I think it's an important perspective to consider. Channyloulou (talk) 04:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)Channyloulou[reply]
The core issue is that because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anybody can edit, we are unable to guarantee that every possible "anybody" is always editing with good intentions. Our articles are quite regularly dirtwashed with poorly sourced criticisms or POV epithets or insider gossip about their personal lives, or even have outright false information added — and reliable source coverage is the only defense we have against any of those things. So as unfortunate as it is that some groups of people may not have gotten the depth of coverage they deserved, we can't waive our sourcing requirements just because an article subject happens to be part of an underrepresented group — because many of those same underrepresented groups are also the most vulnerable to attack editing (e.g. attempts to "reveal" the unpublicized former name of a transgender person, attempts by homophobes to smear notable people who are gay or lesbian, etc.) A Wikipedia article is a double-edged sword which can have negative consequences for the subject, so our includability standards have to keep an eye on protecting people from that harm — namely by not keeping an article at all if they're not the subject of enough reliable source coverage to support it. Bearcat (talk) 17:03, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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That can only be done by an administrator who has not already participated in the discussion, no earlier than seven full days after the last relist. There's nothing I or you can do to make it happen any faster than that. Bearcat (talk) 22:28, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Nom. I've searched, but I can't find much, pretty much just the mentions of him that already source the article. Most troubling is the lack is an obit in a major newspaper, a notable would have had one. And in the four years since the death of a truly notable activist, there would have been mentions of him if he had been notable. Moreover, while he wrote chapters in several non-notable ebooks, he wrote only a single book (2003) and I cannot find that it was reviewed. My JSTOR search on one title "Black Nationalism in the New World" + Carr came up empty. as did a gNews search. Not a single academic or popular review. This is not notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:53, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I just found a review of one of Dr. Carr's works on JSTOR (here). It took me 5 seconds. I hope that all of these comments claiming lack of notability aren't just automatically accepted as true, but thoroughly verified before being considered as legitimate input with respect to whether this page should or should not remain up.Channyloulou (talk) 00:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)Channyloulou[reply]
  • Note that my comment was about the sole book that he seems to have written. The review you cite is of an edited work containing chapters by many authors. Carr is the third of tree editors, not the author. The review does contain a favorable comment about the chapter in the book that he wrote. The journal in which the review is published, Social and Economic Studies published by the University of the West Indies, however, is not a leading scholarly journal, but even if it were, a single review of a collection of scholarly essays of which one is third editor adds very little to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The thing is, all academics publish, mostly they publish non-notable articles in non-notable journals and non-notable books. For a scholar to claim notability as a scholar, the published work has to be notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Clear consensus for deletion. North America1000 19:56, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A yet-to-launch radio station which does not even have a proposed callsign and launch date yet. Per WP:NRADIO, such stations generally are not considered notable yet. While I did find a few local hits about the proposed station, they do not appear to be enough to establish notability per WP:GNG. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:16, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, but super open to reevaluating once they launch and have a chance to show notability. Knox490 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:57, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete No calls, no license, no article. Also, Newcap was told a year ago by the CRTC that the market can't support this new station and I doubt that's changed, so it's not coming in the near future anyways. Nate (chatter) 03:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: The station never went to air — because, as previously noted, the CRTC rejected the application because it doesn't think the market can support a new station. (Indeed, it appears the CRTC will not seriously consider any future applications for new stations in Kentville before 2018.) There is, of course, no presumed notability for unlaunched stations (and when a station does launch, we do need sources to verify operation — but that's not happening for this station, since it wasn't even approved); it seems unlikely that this and other unlaunched stations can ever meet the general notability guideline, even with any local coverage the station managed to receive when it was applied for. --WCQuidditch 10:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't know if this was a good faith error by a user who saw the application but missed the denial or a deliberate attempt to hoaxify an application the creator already knew was failed, but the above comments are indeed correct: Newcap did submit an application to launch the station described here, but part of the CRTC's licensing process is to do an economic evaluation of whether the market can support a new station before it even gives the application a hearing — and as correctly noted above, they did reject this application on the grounds that Kentville was not able to support a new station at this time. While certainly it's possible that Newcap may try again in the future, (a) that won't be for at least another year, (b) Kentville isn't really growing fast enough that the CRTC findings in the market capacity phase of the process would be likely to be different in 2018 than then were in 2016, and (c) even if they do decide to proceed with hearings next time, a radio station doesn't get an article on here until it's actually on the air — merely having an application in the approval pipeline, or even approved but not yet launched, is not in and of itself enough. (Also, just for the record, I've listed the creator for an SPI check because this puts me just a little bit too much in mind of another editor with a problematic edit history pertaining to radio stations in New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.) Bearcat (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and redirect to Winters v. United States.  Sandstein  05:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Personal essay/term paper-like content/content forking from places where relevant text should go, namely indigenous land rights or aboriginal title. As one might expect from an essay, it is a synthesis of other sources to make a point (i.e., original research).

As an alternative to outright deletion, I initially suggested a redirect to another page. This has been reverted without comment or discussion by the editor, who is a student creating this as part of a very sloppily organized class project. There is nothing worthwhile to merge (the article is compromised almost entirely of unsourced statements, statements cited only to Wikipedia itself, or statements not supported by the cited source) so deletion is appropriate here. Neutralitytalk 01:02, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep some content, but not necessarily article (needs rewrite) If article is not kept, copy and paste some material to another article with some rewrite. Knox490 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nobody is proposing "deleting all of our legal articles." This article is basically a rambling essay that discusses matters that have nothing to do with water rights. And in any case the articles that discusses tribal reserved water rights is Winters rights. Neutralitytalk 03:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Neutrality: Sorry. I should have read the initial post more carefully. I didn't realize you were the one who posted this. I mistakenly thought this was like the post trying to delete Enterprise law by an editor who knew nothing about that area of law and did not know about the shabby state of our legal articles--I know you do. Wrong audience. Yeah, I can go along with what you are saying, if the subject is properly handled in Winters rights. I will change my vote accordingly. You are right, it does look like an essay. --David Tornheim (talk) 04:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OFFTOPIC - has nothing to do with whether this article should exist under WP's policies and guidelines

Please do not delete or redirect this page: Hello all, This project is being done for a grade in a semester course and to have all of that suddenly disappear is very disconcerting. I hope you understand we are students and if we had to redo the work we have done it would be extremely time consuming and we would suffer from that. The content of the page is a discussion of the land and water rights to set a stage to discuss our Environmental Justice case studies/subsections on Shasta, North Dakota, Colorado and the Klamath. We can link this page to the land rights page as well as the other relevant wiki pages that were already linked. Additionally, we have not finalized the project yet and will continue to edit the content for neutrality and overall cohesiveness. If it is still concerning and you think the page still needs to be redirected please let us know so that we can make sure the content is not lost.Drgood13 (talk) 00:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)Drgood13[reply]

@Drgood13: What's your deadline and when will the final assessment of your work be made? I suggest you *request* that it be userfied. You can also copy all the Wiki-code to a user page that is a subpage of your talk page. If you want to know how to do that, please ask--very easy. --David Tornheim (talk) 05:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, Drgood13, I think you've been shortchanged by your instructor and your university. You should protest your shabby treatment. StAnselm (talk) 08:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@StAnselm: On what basis do you make the claim that the instructor or the university has done anything wrong? Remember to WP:AGF. There are any number of reasons for problems. One problem could be experienced Wikipedian editors who are not encouraging and helping students, but instead biting them for trying to learn how to edit here. Perhaps, the instructor might not have warned students that Wikipedia can be a snake pit of incivility. Is that really the instructor or University's fault?
That said, I do wonder if students are reading the guide provided in these courses. Careful attention to that guide might have avoided the problems that have led to some of these WP:AfD. If the students are not reading and following the guide, is that entirely the instructor or University's fault? Perhaps we could provide more guidance to these students and not be so judgmental of them. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On the basis, for example, of the POV course description (whose blatant BLP violations have now been removed). UCB can teach whatever they want, of course, but the instructor should have realised that his approach was at odds with Wikipedia's. Grading a student on the basis of an assignment that has a high possibility of getting deleted is also poor educational practice. StAnselm (talk) 23:17, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@StAnselm: I doubt the instructor would have anticipated the articles would end up here and that the hard work of the students would be treated with such disdain. It seems to me the problem comes from our end of making Wikipedia sound more welcoming than it actually is. Please look over the guide and show me the warnings in it that this would happen when you write on a controversial subjects or the problems with WP:BLP. I did not see them. It's written for scientists dealing with non-controversial subjects. I have looked over some of these courses and I don't see how the instructor did anything substantially different from the other courses, except that the topic of study is political. I would be curious to hear from the instructor, EJustice on whether my assessment of the issues is accurate. I would be happy to take this discussion to a more appropriate place--not sure where that would be, possibly the course talk page? --David Tornheim (talk) 23:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim:Hi...I will keep my thoughts here fairly short and incomplete as my students and course have been further targeted as a result of the times (one time actually) I have commented on the broader nature of what's going on here. I hope this comment does not ignite any further fury on the part of their critics. I agree with your assessment that the students' work (upper-division students at one of the world's pre-eminent universities) has been treated with untoward hostility. I could anticipate this because this work does get regularly attacked in the real world. (Check out Rush Limbaugh, 2004.) And we trained the students to stay calm in the face of such attacks and to do their best and, most importantly to rigorously source their statements.
I disagree a bit about the cause of the turmoil. It is a political topic, but more importantly acknowledging issues of race and class challenges many of the known systemic biases within Wikipedia. Many of these topics though are not political, certainly not by the definition of BLP or the discretionary sanction for post-1932 politics. Are the legalities of tribal lands and waterways really about biographies or direct politics? If not, then what might be at play in seeking to eliminate this as a topic for Wikipedia? The students' intention is to neutrally discuss this topic, and they're getting a lot of learning out of this for sure. Environmental justice is an increasingly broad and deep field of study and yes, politics. And almost all environmental issues have social and economic (and therefore justice) dimensions.
But we're working through it and will get good information out where we can! Thanks to all of you for the constructive attention.
EJustice (talk) 03:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right, but the Instructor is responsible for being familiar with WP policy (including, in this case, discretionary sanctions). Yes, it's a political subject, and that's what's causing the POV - because the course is "Enviornmental justice", all environmental topics are seen as justice issues, even when there is no reliable source explicitly making the connection. StAnselm (talk) 00:28, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@David Tornheim, the deadline is April 24th. How do we *request* it be userfied? Thanks! Drgood13 (talk) 21:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)Drgood13[reply]
@Drgood13:Hi...your prof here. Please check the bcourses page for how to proceed! (for everyone else there are really great people guiding our students at WikiEdu and we have 4 TAs on campus...180 students contributing...some mistakes will be made!) --EJustice (talk) 03:23, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Drgood13: How do we *request* it be userfied? Just make an entry here like the all other editors did here and give reasons for your proposed action for this proposed Article for Deletion.
Also, take a look at {{ping}}. The ping didn't work by just putting my name with an ampersand (@); It requires the proper use of that template or one similar. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP of an actress, who has a potentially valid notability claim per WP:NACTOR but lacks the reliable sourcing needed to actually carry it. Her role in Degrassi was not actually significant enough to constitute an NACTOR pass in and of itself -- she appeared as a supporting character in eight episodes of a series that produced almost 400 episodes over the course of its run. So in reality, her notability would actually have to be parked entirely on Hard Rock Medical -- but no reliable source coverage about her performance on that show is being shown. The references here are one article in a community weekly newspaper in her own hometown, a Q&A in a men's magazine, Robin Leach's entertainment gossip blog and a directory entry on tv.com -- so none of this constitutes the depth or quality of sourcing required. An actress does not get an article just because it states a significant role per NACTOR #1 -- she gets an article when it reliably sources that she's gotten significant media coverage for that role, but this doesn't show anything of the sort. Bearcat (talk) 16:54, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A person in the film industry — producer, actor, film crew, doesn't matter — is not automatically entitled to an article just because her work exists. She must be the subject of reliable source coverage about her work before her work gets her a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 17:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Our reliable sourcing standards do not accept every possible type of source as equally valid. Blogs and directories do not count as reliable sources at all — while Q&A interviews and community weekly newspapers cannot carry passage of WP:GNG by themselves, but are acceptable only as supplementary referencing for stray facts after the person has already been major-market-dailied and CBCed and Macleansed over GNG. You can "disagree" all you like, but Wikipedia has objective standards for what counts as a reliable source and what doesn't, and the sources you used here just aren't satisfying them. Bearcat (talk) 14:30, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete, but open to revisit. Not enough citations from press yet. Knox490 (talk) 04:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree with Bearcat. Subject lacks sufficient coverage of independent reliable sources reliable sourcing Cllgbksr (talk) 17:46, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Bearcat wrote: "Our reliable sourcing standards do not accept every possible type of source as equally valid. Blogs and directories do not count as reliable sources at all — while Q&A interviews and community weekly newspapers cannot carry passage of WP:GNG by themselves, but are acceptable only as supplementary referencing for stray facts after the person has already been major-market-dailied and CBCed and Macleansed over GNG. You can "disagree" all you like, but Wikipedia has objective standards for what counts as a reliable source and what doesn't, and the sources you used here just aren't satisfying them". I agree that not all citations are created equal. In addition, standards should be as objective as possible. I do think, however, that in developing countries where they do not have a robust press that this creates problems so people deserving of an article are not covered, Dean Esmay (talk) 02:37, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – I meant to work up a draft on Duarte, but never got around to it. But she doesn't clear WP:NACTOR/WP:BASIC, at least not yet... --IJBall (contribstalk) 05:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. General consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) feminist 05:30, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This article's subject does not meet the criteria for notability of college athletes: "College athletes and coaches are notable if they have been the subject of non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics, mentions in game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage." Eddie Blick (talk) 01:55, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cheesy (video game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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No reliable sourcing found. Only sources are blank frames in gameplay encyclopedias; reviews consist of unreliable ancient fansites and a non-notable gamer on YouTube. Further searching revealed no reputable sources. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 00:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. A WP:RM discussion may be started if anyone considers the current title inappropriate. (non-admin closure) feminist 05:32, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive editing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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The only place where this is described as a formal technique is in the source by Rude. The description of the technique is not substantively different from editing in general. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep, but retitle article to "Substantive writing" which is the more prevalent term. Article is informative, decent length and well-written. If this article is deleted, it will only discourage editor who took the time to write a good article. Wikipedia needs more excellent articles on writing as this will attract more Wikipedia editors and could help the writing of Wikipedia editors. Knox490 (talk) 04:07, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that it is well written, but substantive editing, otherwise referred to as content editing, is already described at length in the copy-editing article, and I do not see how that description differs from this term -- the article is predominantly redundant in that context. More importantly, the notation 'comprehensive editing' is not widely accepted, and essentially a tautology. I am also concerned it is an oblique attempt at self promotion. Perhaps if more sources were found to show it as a distinct and more generally used terminology, but tough to accept the article as it stands. Could merge portions into copy-editing so the novice editor does not feel their efforts went to waste and to lessen the perception of biting, as they certainly know how to express themselves clearly and would be a welcome addition to the site. I enjoy sandwiches (talk) 07:08, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 19:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested proposed deletion without reason for contestation given. Reason given in proposed deletion was: "Article has no serious claims of significance or notability in our standards, notability cannot be inherited and especially not when it's an apparently new software." Sjrct (talk) 00:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 19:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Only a few mentions in local sources. Does not meet WP:NFILM NeilN talk to me 00:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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