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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails guideline Notability (organizations and companies). This article has a number of links at the bottom, but on close inspection, they are all links to dubious sites, and the purported news articles are all single-sourced. The sole source is either a press release directly from 1hourflex, or quotes from a 1hourflex spokesman. There is no evidence that any of these websites are reputable, nor that they are practicing actual journalism. There is not a single mention of 1hourflex in any newspapers, magazines, books, serious TV programs, or other respected media. Dbratland (talk) 23:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Those articles which cannot our source requirements meet,
• we will not hesitate to delete. Werner Heisenberg (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: If there were an article about the company itself, I might be on the fence about it. But for this article, it's pretty clear. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 04:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete non-notable per WP:COMPANY, dubious refs per WP:Reliable sources, borderline WP:SPAM, which this got speedied for in Sept. by same creator. MuffledThud (talk) 07:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment "links to dubious sites," "There is not a single mention of 1hourflex in any newspapers, magazines, books, serious TV programs, or other respected media"

Biofuelsdigest is the LARGEST online website of the biofuels industry.

Cleantech is another LEADING media for the greentech industry.

The company has been nominated Top 100 Greentech Company along with companies such as TESLA (Which I believe that one AT LEAST you know!)

Also, visit the company´s press website and you´ll see it is presenting in TOP VENUES in Abu Dhabi, Berlin, Miami, etc: check www.1hourflex.com/press.asp and see for yourself!

In the event in Abu Dhabi will be present even the Prince of Spain: http://www.worldfutureenergysummit.com/. Now how can I not notable company achieve that?

You obviously are very unaware of the biofuels industry: so please let others judge on this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galonga (talk • contribs) 14:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Biofuels Digest is a blog, and a newsletter, with a staff of one, Jim Lane. It is not a serious journal; it is a conduit for transcribing press releases. Every article is breathless cheerleading and boosting for the biofuels industry, with zero criticism or investigation of any of the companies being promoted. While Biofuels Digest may claim to be the largest, best, most read, or whatever, there is no independent evidence of that. It's just another form of advertising and public relations. --Dbratland (talk) 17:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, advertising: The company claims that it can convert any car to run on ethanol ("E85") in less than 1 hour. Being named to "top 100" lists argues against notability. I'm no mathematician, but to me this suggests that there are 99 other similar businesses. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment "I'm no mathematician, but to me this suggests that there are 99 other similar businesses"

Besides not being a mathematician you are illiterate as well, as it was said that the company was named along with others such as TESLA which has nothing to do with E85 conversion (and which of course you do not know as well: your loss)

Why don´t you just read the company´s press website www.1hourflex.com/press.asp and CHECK THE LINKS there, you lazy bums?

But no, instead you just keep making dumb GUESSES and making a fool of yourselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galonga (talk • contribs) 17:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please be WP:CIVIL, and don't hurl insults at other editors. Thanks, MuffledThud (talk) 17:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. There's absolutely nothing in google books, scholar or news archive about "1hourflex". Obscure web sites do not impart much notability. Pcap ping 18:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WHY DON´T YOU IDIOTS VISIT THE COMPANY´S WEBSITE WWW.1HOURFLEX.COM/PRESS.ASP AND YOU´LL SEE THE COMPANY IS EVEN PRESENTING ITS TECHNOLOGY IN AN EVENT WITH EVEN THE PRINCE OF SPAIN

BUT YOU GUYS ARE SUCH IDIOTS THAT PROBABLY DON´T EVEN KNOW WHO THAT GUY IS OR CARE

INSTEAD KEEP FOCUSING ON "GOOGLE BOOKS", IF BIOFUELSDIGEST IS A BLOG, ETC

YOU GUYS ARE JUST CRAZY TO PRESS THE DELETE BUTTON TO SHOW SOME "AUTHORITY" SINCE YOU DON´T GET ANY IN YOUR LIVES —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galonga (talk • contribs) 21:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IF YOU GUYS ARE SUCH EXPERTS IN WHAT MEDIA IS "NOTABLE" WHEN IT COMES TO BIOFUELS THEN WHY DON´T YOU PRODUCE A COUPLE THAT YOU THINK FITS THE BILL?

CAN´T DO THAT? FOUND ONE BUT COINCIDENTALLY ALREADY HAD AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE COMPANY? I THOUGHT SO... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galonga (talk • contribs) 21:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that the editor commenting above realises that this discussion will be found in the future by any prospective customers of 1hourflex searching for information about the company. I certainly wouldn't consider for a moment doing business with anyone whose promoters are so abusive and illiterate. Phil Bridger (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: upon his return from blocked-ville, I would suggest that Galonga take a reading trip through wiki-land. Start with WP:CIVIL to learn how to hold a discussion with other editors; you may find that you are the only one who appears hopping mad over this issue and it does not make your side of the argument look very convincing. Next a journey through WP:N to read about what makes a topic important. Note that article subjects must have received significant attention from reliable, third-party, uninvolved sources. See WP:V for more info about that, and note that blogs and press release mills generally do not suffice. Also, if you are somehow connected to this company, please do pay close attention to WP:COI. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 05:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as spam. Edward321 (talk) 03:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - yes, spam. Dressed up to look like serious analysis, with "claims" liberally scattered around, but reads mostly like a mix of press release and product information.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 16:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. The two secondary refs added are rather weak (conference talks), but enough for me. (non-admin closure) Pcap ping 23:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Solid (Object Oriented Design) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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WP:NEO based on a blog as far as I can tell. Pcap ping 23:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: This topic/concept is discussed by Robert Cecil Martin, which builds upon the material found in his books on agile programming and clean code. Therefore, it is not simply part of some random blog, but a concept that is talked about in his capacity as a professional programmer and a good means of remembering a subject, much like the expansion of the acronym EGBDF helps people to remember the lines of a staff that has a treble clef on it. —Michael B. Trausch • Talk to me 05:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does anyone else besides Bob and that blogger use it? WP:PRIMARY seems to apply here. Not everything that Bob came up with automatically deserves an article here. Pcap ping 06:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • My google web/books/news/scholar searches only turned up "solid object oriented design" with the common meaning of solid, not with this acronym. Pcap ping 06:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do you read comp.object, stackoverflow, or any books on OOP? Are you even an OO programmer?

Keep SOLID is a jargon acronym used to describe code design. SOLID, used in both upper and lower case in a comment by Rebecca Wirfs-Brock (who is an acknowledged expert on OOP and the presenter). http://www.infoq.com/presentations/What-Drives-Design-Rebecca-Wirfs-Brock "...people who have advocated xDD approaches and even talk about use of patterns or refactoring techniques are all trying to get at SOLID (or solid) design. " "Solid design" is mentioned in Eric Evans' Domain Driven Design (see preface pg xxiii regarding Agile and XP). S.O. tag "solid-principles" in lower case: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/solid-principles SOLID is fairly well-known jargon used among OO programmers and API designers to describe code design.

SOLID's individual principles, especially L - LSP, and S - SRP, are commonly used in Internet discussions such as those on comp.object, however "solid" is also used, both in upper and lowercase (like RADAR and radar).thse http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1519839/solid-liskov-substitution-principle http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2418128/does-having-a-method-do-more-than-one-thing-violate-srp

If you're not an OO programmer, and you've not heard of these principles, I suggest you learn to do better research! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkit (talk • contribs) 07:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Everyone's heard of this. It's notable. -128.61.115.133 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was keep. Or "nomination withdrawn". Pick one. (non-admin closure) Timotheus Canens (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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The subjects fails to meet the notability guidelines for an organization, per WP:ORG. Specifically, please note the section on local chapters, which are generally not notable unless significant attention has been paid by reliable sources outside the chapter's local area. WP:ORG also states organizations that are not at least national in scale may not notable unless they have received significant attention, again, from third party sources outside the local area. Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals seems to fail to demonstrate such notability. See related AFD for Providence Teachers Union.

Both are local affiliates of much larger, more notable unions and organizations, however in my opinion they are not deserving of their own articles. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 23:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. State-wide is bigger than local, and the union is independently notable. - Eastmain (talk) 00:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment by nom: WP:ORG, in general indicates that in order to be considered notable it should be at least national in scope, and have received significant attention from secondary sources. Reviewing the top hits in a basic Google search, I am finding neither. All references that are not self-published seem to be minor, side-note type references, or references by other organizations with which the Rhode Island Federation... is affiliated. True third-party notability seems hard to come by. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 03:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I count 22 hits alone in Google News just since the start of 2010, all directly related to RIFTHP (rather than its national affiliate). It seems less a matter of notability than a matter of building up the article and including cites. - Tim1965 (talk) 20:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now there are 49 neutral reliable sources, including 21 non-local sources. (Although, in a state as small as Rhode Island, "non-local" is a difficult term to define. Coverage by the Providence Journal-Bulletin is statewide coverage, even if it is a local newspaper.) - Tim1965 (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The best thing that every happened to this article is being nominated for deletion! When I look at the article that existed at nomination compared to now, it's a stark contrast. The organization clearly has a significant impact in Rhode Island and should be maintained as noteworthy on that basis. Part of the problem is that WP:Org reflects a pervasive regional bias in WikiPedia by using "reliable sources that extend beyond the organization's local area" as one of several criteria for establishing notability. By that rationale, an organization covered in the Providence Journal would be excluded while an identical one in the metro section of the New York Times would be included because those two papers have different distribution areas. That just reflects the geographic presence of national media organizations, not the underlying notability of the organization.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• In light of the significant, huge reworking of the article with many sources, and RevelationDirect's insight, I no longer support deleting this article. Tim1965, you've done a great job with it. Keep! –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 05:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete per the below, and WP:CSD#A7 - the article fails to assert the notability of the group. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 16:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Providence Teachers Union (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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The subjects fails to meet the notability guidelines for an organization, per WP:ORG. Specifically, please note the section on local chapters, which are generally not notable unless significant attention has been paid by reliable sources outside the chapter's local area. Providence Teachers Union does not demonstrate such notability. WP:ORG also states organizations that are not at least national in scale may not notable unless thye have received significant attention, again, from third party sources outside the local area. Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals also seems to fail to demonstrate such notability. (see related AFD)

Both are local affiliates of much larger, more notable unions and organizations, however in my opinion they are not deserving of their own articles. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 23:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy delete. Nn-group. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral: Whether or not the topic is noteworthy or not can't be established because there's really no content in this article. Maybe it a good topic, maybe not. But WP readers don't lose anything by getting rid of this very stubby stub.RevelationDirect (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was deleted as copyright violation. --PMDrive1061 04:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The only reference in the article is IMDB and I can't find significant coverage find significant coverage for this film. Joe Chill (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The only review I find ([1]) is one paragraph, 2/3 of which is a plot synopsis. Doesn't meet WP:NF. Wine Guy Talk 23:07, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, speedy if possible. This user has a long history of similar edits with no talk page interaction. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a virtual copyvio; most of it is cribbed from another site and just a few of the words have been changed. Again, user has a long history of same. Off to have a little discussion. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to The Pack discography#2005: Pack Muzik Vol. 1. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pack Muzik Vol. 1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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The article is unreferenced and I can't find significant coverage for this album. Joe Chill (talk) 22:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to The Pack (group). As a self-released mixtape with little or no independent coverage in reliable sources, it doesn't merit it's own article (WP:NALBUMS); useful information (i.e. the one sentence lead) can be moved to the article about the group. Wine Guy Talk 23:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Merge as suggested by WineGuy above. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Any sourced content could be merged to the group's article but since there is no sourced content (or really any content beyond a track listing)... TheJazzDalek (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aylar Lie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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I have serious doubts about whether this former porn star meets any notability guideline. She certainly doesn't meet the guideline for porn actresses. I cant find enough coverage for her to meet the general notability guideline. She might have done a lot of different things in the past, pornstar, singer, reality tv show contestant, but I can't see that any of it confers sufficient notability for inclusion Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 21:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Weakish keep, she seems to get a moderate amount of tabloid-type coverage (e.g., [2], [3], [4], and a variety of articles in various Scandinavian languages I can't read). She doesn't meet PORNBIO or MUSICBIO, certainly, but she seems to get way more press than your average non-notable pornstar that we see on AfD. The fact that it's tabloid and society stuff keeps my recommendation weak.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, since I can't !vote Meh. She does seem to get a fair amount of tabloid coverage, albeit mostly for shagging notable people. Seems to be a fair amount of Norsk language stuff as well. Probably squeaks in through WP:GNG. Wine Guy Talk 23:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Thing I was concerned about was whether tabloids like The Sun qualify as reliable sources. Incidentally, AfDs frequently come to a "meh" conclusion, they call it no consensus though ;-) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep There are some reasonably reliable sources. There probably is enough to keep this one. The article could be tightened up, tho. --Stormbay (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. She got a surprising amount of news coverage when her porn career began, partly for the overblown Miss Norway connection, partly for her Iranian background, partly for the exploitational "Princess Diana" name. She meets the GNG cumulatively, not for anything in particular. Notability happens. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep highly notable celebrity. I havn't heard of very many of this kind of people, but she is one of the few that I have. A "Aylar Lie" news check with Norwegian search engine Kvasir shows 13 news hits (yes, that would all be reliable, secondary sources) this year (in just over two weeks). A search with Atext (a proprietary search of printed and online newspapers) gives 1,863 hits. Those are all reliable, secondary sources. So people can be highly famous for doing nothing special at all, and yet be mentioned in conservative media outlets such as the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, Aftenposten and Dagsavisen. Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not averse to withdrawing a nomination if someone adds some good quality references Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have reformatted the existing references to {{cite web}} format. The article had a number of reliable sources to begin with. For instance, The Sun article covers a rather trivial issue about her, showing to what degree she has already been established as a celebrity and attained notability. Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hmmm, I suspect I'm not going to be thinking in line with consensus here (looking at the !keep votes here at any rate). The Sun reference in the article is exactly the kind of reference I'd be disputing. Is it a reliable source? Is there a consensus somewhere on this kind of tabloid reporting? I wouldn't be comfortable relying on this kind of reference for any article I was writing. I'm not gonna push the issue - consensus is consensus - but would we be happy if every article in the encyclopedia relied on the Sun as its main source? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 00:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • My feeling on tabloids like The Sun is that their usage as a source needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. While they are certainly not reliable sources for topics such as foreign policy or government officials, they are perhaps the ideal source for "tabloid celebrities". It's a sad commentary that these "tabloid-ebrities" exist (and that people actually seek out information about them), but they do, and Ms. Lie appears to be one of them. Also, as Arsenikk pointed out, there do appear to be plenty of Norwegian sources, but I don't speak Norsk. Anyone care to translate? Wine Guy Talk 01:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Notorious celebrity and household name in Norway. no:Aylar Lie cites three reliable references with significant coverage, of which there are many more, per User:Arsenikk. Meets GNG. decltype (talk) 12:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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A disputed speedy; previous versions have been speedied as advertising/non-notable corporations. When I came to assess this for speedy deletion, the hangon tag led me to a discussion that seemed unresolvable; I suggested bringing the topic to AfD. Most of the references provided don't seem to me to be denotative of notability (merely of milestones in the company's history) but I'm insufficiently well informed to assess the few useful sources for reliability so I take no position here. Contributors to this discussion, and the closing admin, should note two things: (1) there's a suggestion that material has been removed from the talk page of the article, and it may be of interest to read it or return it, and (2) there seems to be a single-purpose account (SPA) with no other edits contributing to the latter part of the discussion which may indicate that some form of canvassing is at work. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, promotional page for a non-notable company. The author's reasons to keep are of the variety, "Prior to NMI, no other company had developed fraud screening software specifically geared towards online transactions." But we get this from every software company on AfD: "Don't delete! AverageSoft developed the first QGI763-based software to disenburble frambular network traffic!" If it's that important, people will cover it. I'm seeing a bunch of press releases, with nothing that could be called "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources." The article's references certainly don't offer anything more.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 22:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, Skimming across the aFd's I honestly dont see why this is marked. The sources cited are reliable. Yes, a few of them are press releases but not many. Majority of the citings are valid second/third party sources and this article is well written and informative. I did not get the feeling in any way that it was an advertisement. I can not believe this was tagged for lack of significance. I also just clicked the link on NMI that lead to authorize.net's wikipedia page and that page is horrible. Their cites are ridiculous and is 100% written like an advertisement. This makes no sense to me. I think this should 100% be kept. Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.114.191 (talk) 05:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes this definitely helps, as did you adding all those links to Network Merchants yesterday. I'm glad you stumbled across this AfD!  Glenfarclas  (talk) 06:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, Of the ten references cited in the article: five are press releases annoucing services offered, three are press releases annoucing certifications available to anyone who wishes to use the third party system and are not notable, one is a company profile which appears to be either a perk of being a member of the association or paid for (it's an advertisement either way), and one is press releases noting a charitble act which is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Nine of the ten, if not all ten, were written by the company itself. Considering there are many trade publications, both online and in print, in their industry and none of them appear to have written anything noteworthy, or worth using as a reference in the article, about this company in its 11 year history I'd have to say they are not a notable company. stymiee (talk) 13:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is a business that builds e-commerce payment gateways for companies located throughout the world that process credit cards, debit cards and electronic checks over an Internet Protocol (IP) connection. They can do that over the Internet? Since when?? AAR, I agree with Stymiee's review of the added sources and find nothing better myself. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I see nothing but press releases in the article, and when I conduct my own searches. This fails to establish notability as there is no independent coverage in reliable sources. - Whpq (talk) 16:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Iam the “author” of the Network Merchants article. Network Merchants is worthy of a Wikipedia page. Their patent pending projects and simply their pure historical background is enough to justify this page. I will find and update the reference section with other articles of Wikipedias liking. I highly recommend you keep this page, this company is with out a doubt an industry leader from iSpyFraud to their new 3 Step API that is about to be released. This company as stated by “Accounting4Taste” requires a very specialized area of knowledge. Anyone who understands the payment gateway industry will appreciate Network Merchants and their major contributions to the payment gateway industry and see their value to wikipedia. OnebadGTR (talk) 19:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Apparently you misread what I said. I didn't say that this assessment requires a very specialized area of knowledge -- in fact, I think that statement is incorrect. I said that *I* didn't have some specific knowledge, but I can add that I believe that specific knowledge is represented here in this process. I can be more specific; I was unable to decide whether the "Green Sheet" reference represented a reliable source. I found that there were no other reliable sources represented, as others have stated above. It is a misconception to think that any Articles for Deletion process on Wikipedia can only be adjudged by people with specialized knowledge. In fact, it's usually fairly easy to assess whether references are reliable, or present at all, such as is being assessed here; and if an article is so recondite as to be incomprehensible to the general public, then it is probably unsuitable for Wikipedia without significant re-writing. Accounting4Taste:talk 19:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - If, as claimed, the company is a notable payment gateway company, then I would expect to see this covered in business press somewhere. I've only found press releases. If there is any significant coverage, please bring it forward. -- Whpq (talk) 19:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081028005417&newsLang=en Not a press release from NMI OnebadGTR (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment That is a press release. Looks like a co-press-release. Still not an article or press coverage. stymiee (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Indeed. And I'll add that anything else you find on Business Wire will be a press release as the site's reason for existence is to publish press releases. Another of the large press release companies is PR Newswire. -- Whpq (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Mooted - Article was deleted for Copyright violations. The article's content is exclusively based on an incompatibly licensed source (BY-NC-ND) and cannot be kept in any case. The article has now been deleted after staying listed at WP:CP for 7 days without any attempts at rewriting or otherwise addressing the copyvio issues. Note that since the AfD hasn't run its full course, this does not preclude the re-creation of a non-infringing article, but by doing so, editors willing to re-create are advised to mind the comments of the strongly developing consensus to delete expressed in this present AfD. MLauba (talk) 14:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Restoring Music Foundation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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A non-notable foundation which is dedicated to "the restoration of the music industry", whatever that is supposed to mean. It appears to quite non-notable, and strongly fails WP:ORG. Google searches that exclude wikipedia and the website of the organization fail to turn up any helpful references. Bfigura ^(talk) 20:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete since there is no evidence of this being a notable organisation. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this organization. Joe Chill (talk) 22:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I agree with the previous two opinions. My search did not produce anything significant. --Stormbay (talk) 00:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, and and other !voters. As a sidenote, the same editor appears to have created another related article, Philip E. Daniels, to link in to this one; that article is now also at AfD. Wine Guy Talk 00:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete non-notable organization. Creator appears to be making a walled garden. ~DC _{Talk To Me} 01:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No significant coverage in reliable sources, and the article contains content released under the CC-By-NC license, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. Theleftorium 21:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
•  Administrator note I've blanked the article as it contains material that is not licensed appropriately for inclusion. The last revision is located here, for AfD review – Toon 14:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quintus Fulvius Flaccus (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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No need for disambig page. The two pages that share the same name now have hatnotes. Labattblueboy (talk) 19:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:DAB; two topics can be disambiguated with hatnotes and don't require a dab page. This probably could have been handled via PROD. Cnilep (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Bearian (talk) 21:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. In the end its best that this didn't go the PROD route. JBsupreme (talk) 04:54, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:52, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No reliable sources given to support notability of this game; appears to be promotional. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The Curvy Words puzzle is a rather "new" puzzle with an important twist to word searches. It has been used in thousands of classrooms. Since it is in wide use by teachers and students the name and description deserves worthiness to Wikipedia. This is not promotional except for the link to edHelper. That can be removed and I will edit to remove the link, but the type of puzzle is worthy of Wikipedia.[[User::Edhwiki]] — Edhwiki (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete per nom Polargeo (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, I can find no independent sources on this topic. - MrOllie (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Only source I can find is the aforementioned edhelper.com, which is neither independent nor non-promotional in nature. If this game achieves sufficient notability it should surely be included in Wikipedia, but until then this seems suspect. Ginsengbomb (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since there is no evidence of notability. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and per WP:N fails WildHorsesPulled (talk) 23:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as NN. JBsupreme (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Green archaeological excavation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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This was a contested prod. While the concept seems laudable, this article seems basically intended to promote new field strategies rather than to document already notable ones. LadyofShalott 16:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, no secondary sources at all can be found for this topic. Abductive (reasoning) 16:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete per all the above comments. It is a bad article name as well. It should be Archaeological excavation and the environment. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 20:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of BrainSurge episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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There are concerns on another forum that at least part of this list is a hoax (definitely episodes 25 and 26). That, and do we really need a list of episodes for a game show anyway? It's not linked from the main BrainSurge article, for one, and there doesn't seem to be a precedent for doing such a list at least in the realm of game shows. Furthermore, the episodes would be better off summarized in the main article at best, seeing as the BrainSurge article itself is so short. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. See List of Legends of the Hidden Temple episodes, List of Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiego? episodes, and List of My Family's Got GUTS episodes. Not decided on how I will !vote. RJaguar3 | u | t 16:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: Before I forget, the episode list is indeed linked from the infobox of BrainSurge (at least this revision [5]). RJaguar3 | u | t 16:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I also crossed out that part. I overlooked the infobox. My concerns of hoaxery still stand. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 16:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would combine those three within this AfD...there is no reason for those to exist anywhere except for a fansite. Nate • (chatter) 02:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't. The first two have actual titles, which to me are encyclopedic. If you want to nominate them for deletion, you should probably list them separately. See WP:BUNDLE. RJaguar3 | u | t 04:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first two you're right...withdrawing those as they have long established histories going back three-five years and in the case of the Hidden Temple list, provides encyclopedic value to the legends for each episode with links to the articles for each real legend. However the third list for MFHG should be bundled here as it was created by Fuzzyandtoast (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)...who just happens to be a sock of ELF TV and was indeffed as sock of said user (and yes, because it's for My Family's Got Guts, which nobody but NickCrufters cared about after 2008). Nate • (chatter) 05:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And one more thing...article creator EvanFinney10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a probable sock of indef banned ELF TV (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) in my eyes (editor's initials are ELF) and previously edited under abandoned account EvanFinney08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log); all three names have been pretty much stuck editing the articles of Nick and other children's shows. He's been running wild on this new account for three months under our noses I think. Nate • (chatter) 02:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• After thinking about it, I'm going to say delete on this one. While the other articles I mentioned have distinguishable elements (like unique titles for episodes), this list consists mostly of "the pink player won but was only able to clear two boards of the final stage." As such, even if this article were verifiable, it would still be inappropriate for Wikipedia due to being a exposition of redundant, repetitive details about the show. RJaguar3 | u | t 22:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is a game show. I really cannot see how what interest there can be in every single episode, when it follows the same basic pattern every time. This level of detail really is not suitable for wikipedia, especially seeing as none of it is covered in any other sources. There could be a place for this sort of information, but it isn't here (e.g. see [6] for a wiki of Countdown (game show)). Quantpole (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete' It's a game show! Here's my version of a synopsis; "Someone you don't know won this day" or "Some other person lost this day". I say delete all "List of game show episodes" articles because it is a completely indiscriminate list of information. We've had others try to create lists of talk show episodes which have been been successfully taken to AfD, and I don't understand what anyone in a research capacity would ever do with such gems as "Carson in green, Nick in red, Celine in yellow, Noah in purple, Jourdan in blue and Sabyr in pink compete against in other." and "Boo becomes the first female to make it to the final stage in BrainSurge. Unfortunately, she is only able to beat the first two legs of the final stage." That and I'm thinking there is some definite copyvios from TV.com going on here (usually that's where these synopses come from). Ahh, the NickCrufters are back with a vengeance to start this year (unfortunately for me). Nate • (chatter) 02:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hey, at least it's not as bad as having an article about a single episode of a game show. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galileo's Cannonball. RJaguar3 | u | t 07:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • And now I've seen everything. (shakes head) Someday I swear the fake Nickcruft example on my userpage will have an actual article. Nate • (chatter) 10:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete While a regular television series may benefit from an episode list, a game show really just does not need one as there is no plot and nothing major to state about the episodes. The main article already contains the appropriate content regarding airdates and has plenty of room for highlighting any special episodes (with RS) as needed. Could also bee a speedy as creation be banned editor, per G5, if/when this sock is reported and blocked. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment not a G5, as I don't believe the user was banned when he created the article. RJaguar3 | u | t 21:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If he is a sock, the sock was banned at the time this was created, and this one is subsequently banned as such, then yes, it falls under G5 at that point. :-) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, the nature of a game show is that all episodes are, basically, the same. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 06:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:54, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Postview (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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No third party reliable sources to contribute to this software being notable. 16x9 (talk) 15:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, no signs of notability. Haakon (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is a simple blog engine (aka. Blogware). A variety of different products appear to be using this name. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Ginsengbomb (talk) 20:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Have not been able to locate anything that will pass for a reliable source documenting notability. Favonian (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per anyone and everyone. JBsupreme (talk) 05:07, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Can't find any reliable sources that consistently support this article. --FaceMash (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 03:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has been tagged as unreferenced original research for more than two years and tagged for clean-up for more than two and half years. The sole ref cited supports one single statistical fact in the article. WP:PROD tag was removed without improving the article. - Ahunt (talk) 15:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - regretably the term is used in current society and there are many links to this page. The term drew 30.4 million google hits. While Wikipedia should not glorify this conduct, an encyclopedia article on this subject would be appropriate. I agree that the article is very low quality and someone should remove the orginial research and avoid defining the difference between a street fight and a riot (unless we can cite to an authoritative source). Perhaps the article should be expanded to cover the various criminal laws against such conduct. Racepacket (talk) 16:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I don't in the least disagree with you that this is a worthwhile subject for an encyclopedia article, but this article is of such poor quality that it it preventing a better article from being written. As in many cases trying to sort out facts from personal opinion in an unreferenced article such as this and find references to bring it up to Wikipedia's standards is very difficult. I believe that there should be an article with this title but that it would be better to delete this article and start over, working from refs instead of scrambling to find refs to support this problematic text. As can be seen by how long this has been tagged as substandard and how little substantial work has been done recently, I think most editors look at it and walk away. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - As the person who removed the prod tag, I take offense to the statement "WP:PROD tag was removed without improving the article". As I pointed out in the edit summary, the French Wikipedia article was a former featured article, and though it recently lost it featured article status, it still has several references. However, I don't read a word of French, so there is no way I could improve the article using those references. Though I can't read the references, I would be very surprised if there wasn't some useable information there. Calathan (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I am sorry that you took offence to my nomination language, as no offence was intended; it is just a factual statement. I found the article in a poor state, with virtually no refs, tagged for over two years, clearly no where near Wikipedia's standards and not being actively improved. I PRODed it and you removed the PROD tag, with the suggestion that refs might be found on the French version. The article is still of as poor a quality as when I found it, so I have brought it here to hopefully have it improved, or deleted so it can be started over, working from refs as I mentioned above, instead of trying to find refs to support a large amount of opinion. My statement "WP:PROD tag was removed without improving the article" is simple fact and wasn't intended as an insult. By the rules you are allowed to remove it for any reason and that is part of the reason that we are here at AfD. - Ahunt (talk) 17:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, sorry about that. It just seemed to me that you were ignoring the potential sources I had mentioned, but I see now that you were not. Anyway, if you think an article should exist on this topic, there is no need for a deletion discussion. You are free to completely replace all the text in the article if you think that would make it better (though you might want to discuss that on the article talk page first before doing so). Articles aren't normally deleted for being of poor quality, but only when an article shouldn't exist at all at that title. Calathan (talk) 18:23, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Thanks for your comments. I still believe that the article should be deleted and perhaps, if refs can be found, started over again rather than fixed through normal editing, as that approach hasn't worked over the last two years in this case. If no refs can be found, then by definition, it isn't a notable topic. Let's see what the result of this debate is and work from there. - Ahunt (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The topic is clearly notable, even if the article needs some serious work (although, frankly, it's not nearly as broken as any number of other articles on here, not that that's really meaningful or surprising information!). Ginsengbomb (talk) 20:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Racepacket and Ginsenbomb. Not so awful it needs to be deleted, and of an obvious encyclopedic topic. 30 million Ghits must have a few good sources. Bearian (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep Street fighting is real and notable. What needs to be fixed is the organization and layout of the article. Portillo (talk) 05:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and clean up. It is a notable phrase/term which needs more than a dicdef, I've done some bits to try & improve it but it's a mess and needs someone to sit down & do a complete re-write to provide a frame work for building on (time I don't have right now) --Nate^t/_c 08:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep and clean up. Just needs more refs and general cleanup. Notable in its various uses. CarolMooreDC (talk) 10:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Modified delete. This article reads like OR from beginning to end. While it is an extremely notable subject, I agree with Ahunt that we can't just leave it and wait for someone else to insert references to match all the assertions. Are any of us prepared to take the time to do that? On the other hand, we can't delete it entirely, or else someone will probably come up with a new post that looks just as rough as this one. I suggest leaving the first paragraph and deleting the rest, with a wiki note on the editing page that warns people to reference whatever they're going to say. This might be unconventional, but maybe it will solve the problem here. Yoninah (talk) 22:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Thanks for your thought on this. Given that the overwhelming consensus seems to be to keep the article at this point, I am also concerned that once this AfD closes that all those who participated here and indicated keep will fade away and not work on the article, leaving it as bad as it is now. Once this AfD is closed I support your idea, we can take that up on the talk page at that time. - Ahunt (talk) 22:32, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saffron Coomber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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Might not be notable. See WP:ENT - Saffron Coomber has had minor roles and secondary roles in made for tv movies, etc. The article has no references satisfying WP:N ErikHaugen (talk) 15:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, a handful of small roles and single-episode appearances so far. IMDb doesn't have her listed in the cast of the upcoming Tracy Beaker Returns. I don't see anything remotely amounting to "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions" per WP:ENT.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 22:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note, The IMDB might not list her in Tracy Beaker Returns, but the BBC does list her as a regular and she has been in every episode so far. Samhills —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 03:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No claim of notability (unless one counts the obituary on The Independent). Just a good book designer doing his job. Damiens.rf 15:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I do count an obituary in The Independent as a mark of notability. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 20:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I do not. Alio The Fool 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There is also an obituary in The Guardian. I would argue that obituaries in two of the UK's leading quality national newspapers is a serious indication of notability. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, a non-notable person who did his job for 50 years. I don't know that there's a bright line on whether obituaries make someone notable; but when a person gets an obituary like this without having had any significant coverage during his life I can't believe it amounts to very much. A beloved, but otherwise completely low-profile, local figure may get an obituary upon death, and while WP:BLP1E doesn't, strictly speaking, apply to a deceased person, I think the principle is worth remembering: "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an article on them." To my thinking, that pretty much applies to someone's death as well.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. A professionally written and published obituary is not about someone's death. It is about their life and their contribution to society, especially in the context of articles in national newspapers such as The Guardian and The Independent. So I strongly disagree with you conclusion above with respect to obituaries. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Google book search up top shows plenty of results, the first one being him, showing a picture of one of the book covers he did, his name mentioned. How often does that happen? The other books that mention his work, are probably about him also, it not too common of a name. Dream Focus 00:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - after finding this, this (click on View all), and this. "Just a good book designer" is one thing; a good book designer featured in books about book design is another. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 05:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• With all due respect, what you've found is (1) a six-page chapter he contributed to a non-notable book, (2) another book where he's thanked in the acknowledgements and mentioned in one paragraph, and (3) a book where he's quoted briefly on a single page about being a typography student, and never mentioned again. I just can't believe this stacks up to notability—and under what, WP:CREATIVE? These short mentions hardly show that he's "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by [his] peers or successors." In fact the paucity, in a highly specialized field like typography and book design, would tend to show the opposite.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 06:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• What you may have missed: ref #1 also mentions him on the back cover as a contributor, ref #2 has 3 mentions of him, not 2 (Google book search may not want to display the discussion of him on pg 1481, but it still counts), and ref #3 describes him as having "had a long and distinguished career as a book designer."

  When a book on book designers describes someone as having had "a long and distinguished career," I'm happy to take their word for it. Dori ❦ (Talk ❖ Contribs ❖ Review) ❦ 03:50, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. per RS and V. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Doesn't appear to have significant coverage by reliable independent sources. One obituary doesn't make an article. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 12:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment. I believe WP:CREATIVE #3 applies. There is a body of work (many books designed by him) with reviews (in multiple obituaries – The Guardian and The Independent – and other journals, books, etc.). I have added some more references. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Change to keep - At the time of my initial comment, I was only aware of the one obituary. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 05:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Quite obviously notable from the sources given, particularly national press obituaries. Ty 21:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep Obits in national papers are not typicaly writen merely about "beloved, but otherwise completely low-profile, local figure"s. The coverage in books about book design would alone be enough to establish notability IMO. Together I think the result is clear. DES ^(talk) 22:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Absurd nomination - we do not discount substantial sources for no reason. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 03:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability. From the article, it seems it's just a good photographer doing his work. Main claim of notability is that "The National Trust holds many of his photographs", but it unfortunately goes unsourced. Having "produced photographs for over 30 books" doesn't seems astonishing. Good photographer? Yes. Notable? Not from what is said on the article. Damiens.rf 15:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. With 30+ published books to his name (including on the front cover as a co-author, not just as a contributor), I believe he is notable and worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 18:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that it's not that he have written 30+ books. It's that his photographs have been used in 30+ books , and I don't think this is enough to make a professional photographer notable. --Damiens.rf 18:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Many of the books (e.g., the books listed in the article) are books where he is a co-author, not just a contributor. There is a big difference. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I have added a reference for the National Trust. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 18:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  Is it notable? The National Trust holds many photographs of many artist. --Damiens.rf 18:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • You implicitly suggested that it be sourced (see above) and references are always helpful for verifiability. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This photographer seems to be notable as demonstrated by the large number of books of his photography he has published and which are widely available through online bookstores such as Barnes and Noble[7] and Amazon[8]. He has not just provided the photography for a book - he is one of the authors and the books are about his photography - there is a big difference. There is also press coverage of his books: see [9] and [10] Jenafalt (talk) 19:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. At present I am dubious over the sources being used here. A search of amazon or barnes & noble does not show that someone is notable, particularly when you look at the sales ranks of the books. It may be an indication of notability, but it doesn't meet any of the recommendations of WP:CREATIVE. Likewise, having taken some pictures for the National Trust website may be an indication of notability but does not prove it. The basic problem at that moment is that there is no reliable independent source for biographical information about the person. If there are more reviews of his work, or if it can be shown that he is widely referenced in photography circles then we might get close to shpowing WP:N. I'm willing to be convinced, but at the moment I'm not seeing it. Quantpole (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I believe WP:CREATIVE #3 applies. There is a body of work with multiple reviews. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Like I said, I'm willing to be convinced, but at the moment there is a review of about 4 sentences from the independent, and one hidden behind a pay wall (and neither are even used as references for any text in the article, so I have no idea how in depth the chicago tribune review is). Please, if there are multiple reviews, then either add them to the article or stick them here so they can be assessed. Quantpole (talk) 21:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Google news search up top shows articles mentioning him and his photographs. Dream Focus 00:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Nomination: Having "produced photographs for over 30 books" doesn't seems astonishing. Good photographer? Yes. Notable? Not from what is said on the article. How true, how very true. Meers' photographs are not in the permanent collection of the V&A (a large photographic collection that's conveniently searchable online). They may well not be in any other museum or art collection either. No Turner Prize nomination for Nick. The highest price at abebooks.com right now for one of his books is $100 (cf $7500 for Tillmans and $20,220 for Cartier-Bresson). Not even any space on my shelves for his books. He's not an artiste but a highly competent craftsman, serving Weidenfeld & Nicolson and the National Trust and others with what they and the public want. (And it's not bad either; cf the luridly colored, saccharine landscapes of some great, great photographic landscape hacks who have companies sell their stuff by the square metre.) But anyway, he's not notable. Neither, I dare say, are most of the thousands of actors and the like who have articles in Wikipedia. But just as Wikipedia doesn't limit its thespian coverage to the conventionally great (Jean Gabin), the great "characters" (Shelley Duvall), and the mere heart-throbs (Keanu Reeves), but instead allows squillions of articles (mostly poorly sourced, it must be said) on entirely humdrum actors, and does so to the general benefit of the interested public, so Wikipedia would be better if it had many more modest, well sourced articles on workmanlike photographers. Producing photographs for over 30 books is not astonishing, but neither is it easy. I can't be bothered to examine the recent history of this article, but as it is now it deserves to stay; indeed, I wish there were more like it. Keep. -- Hoary (talk) 08:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He has an established reputation in his field as evidenced by the number of books where he is the co/author and cumulative other mentions/reviews. Those working in the visual arts seem to have a higher bar applied to them than that in e.g. WP:BAND or WP:ATHLETE. This should not be the case. Ty 21:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep Seems both notable and encyclopedic...Modernist (talk) 02:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G12 (unambiguous copyright violation) by Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) —David Eppstein (talk) 04:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not completely convinced this writer is notable. The only one claim to notability is being once nominated for the "Booker Prize". Is this enough? Also, (although unrelated to AFD or notability concerns) the whole of the article's text appears in her bio at "http://www.davidhigham.co.uk/html/Clients/Schlee". Who's the copyright violator. Damiens.rf 15:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. See the Wikipedia article at Man Booker Prize: "The winner of the Booker Prize is generally assured of international renown and success and, for this reason, the prize is of great significance for the book trade.[2] It is also a mark of distinction for authors to be nominated for the Booker longlist or selected for inclusion in the shortlist." Here is a review of Ask me No Questions: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-27192021_ITM I see that the article has been deleted. This is probably one of the cases where an alleged copyvio is best dealt with by stubbing the article and removing the copyvio text, rather than by deleting the article outright. – Eastmain (talk) 01:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 03:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems this artist haven't reached notability yet. His main claims of notability are having won two medals from the "Royal Drawing Society" (is this notable? I don't know) and having some of his word held by some universities and museums, but everything goes without a source. Damiens.rf 15:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Schlee's work has been widely exhibited and is held in collections of museums and universities. See WP:ARTIST section 4(d). I believe Schlee meets the criteria. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The Google news search only mentions his works were in a museum, that notable enough. Google book search, second page, reveals he was featured in "Artists in Britain since 1945, Volume 2‎". So some consider him a notable artist. Dream Focus 00:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per all of the above. Werner Heisenberg (talk) 01:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per all of above. Schlee is indeed in The Dictionary of Artists in Britain Since 1945, which is a reputable source (not a "vanity" publication). Wikipedia follows sources. Ty 01:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sure there are many artist there. --Damiens.rf 13:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems notable and encyclopedic...Modernist (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep The nomination seems uncertain ("I don't know") and there has been no attempt to discuss the matter at the article's talk page per WP:BEFORE. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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this article is terrible, has practically no references, and has been tagged for months without being cleaned upElimccargar (talk) 23:27, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - nomination itemises reasons for improving the article, not deleting it. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 23:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep reliable sources are easily found, and deletion should not be used for articles simply needing cleanup. Further, this is likely a pointy deletion in response to this. I gave the nominator some advice about deletion of this article recently. tedder (talk) 23:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment Nomination seems pointy based on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blogtronix (2nd nomination)--Jac16888^Talk 00:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - plenty of sources out there, gets covered in the regional paper The Oregonian all the time, ditto with the Portland Business Journal. Needs clean-up, not a deletion. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Has received extensive coverage in The New York Times (see: [11] [12] [13]), among other sources, and is obviously notable. Steven Walling 08:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, but very, very weakly. This calls itself a software company in the enterprise social-networking business. It does not appear to produce well known products under its own brand, or market them to the general public. It isn't notable in the non-technical sense, and makes no claim to technical or historical importance, or any other credible claim to public note. We either need stricter standards of a sort that would exclude behind the scenes businesses like this, or else abandon any pretense to excluding spam and throw open the gates to articles written by marketing consultants. This sort of thing just does not belong. But if PC World and the New York Times have published stories about it, it probably meets the consensus for current standards. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I don't think the current nomination is really WP:POINT-y either. It is, instead, a symptom of the sort of thing we're always going to face by allowing articles about businesses that are "notable" under WP:GNG but not really. "My competitor has an article; why shouldn't the business that interests me?" When you're dealing with May-fly business startups in software space, coverage in adequate sources may be a bit of a crap-shoot, or at least a function of your marketing people's connections. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - It made The New York Times, as pointed out above. The. New. York. Times. Yes, that New York Times. Samboy (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn (non-admin close). Cnilep (talk) 21:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leopold Frankenberger, Jr. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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Redirect to Alois Hitler#Leopold Frankenberger where he has a paragraph. He is the possible grandfather of Adolf Hitler, not notable in his own right. Boleyn (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 14:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw nomination for the moment while redirect and merge discussions play out. Boleyn (talk) 21:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC) By the way, the creator of this article is indef blocked as a vandal and sockpuppet. Alio The Fool 21:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G11. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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A company that's "...not none in the industry due to most of the projects remaining secret,..." is not likely to be very notable. This is especially true as they are reported to be giving them away "...but not yet selling them in any form." I am unable to find any references to this company but please note they should not be confused with Bradley Aerospace which does appear to be a real company. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 12:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Explorer 1 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 13:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Directory listing shows that it apparently has an annual revenue of $52,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1. Polargeo (talk) 13:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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unreferenced stub. fails WP:BIO and WP:ENT. no significant third party coverage [14] LibStar (talk) 07:11, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment transcluded at Articles for Deletion at this timestamp, was incorrectly listed previously. --Taelus (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No significant third party coverage, well maybe a small amount at a local Tasmania level. Does not meet WP:ENT, really scraping it for significant roles in multiple notable productions. For example yes the lion king is notable but here he is in the Melbourne version of the Lion King (which may not be independently notable) where he operated and I assume spoke for the puppet Pumbaa. This appears to be the biggest role of his career to date. Polargeo (talk) 14:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Weak keep and improve article. Appears to have a notability for stagework in Australia. [15], [16] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:15, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, just. He was the 10th most newsworthy Tasmanian in 2008: 1, not that that's saying much in and of itself, but it does give insight into the significance of the coverage he has received. His multiple significant roles in notable stage shows, such as the Lion King and Billy Elliott would marginally get him across WP:ENT. --Mkativerata (talk) 06:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural nomination. Article was proposed for deletion, after previously having a prod contested. Nominators concerns listed as:

"Opinion essay, completely unsourced WP:OR" Taelus (talk) 12:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to the Hindu marriage article (which is entitled Vivāha), and add sources or a bibliography to that article. This is, as noted, an essay, and it's overly long because of comments like "Traditions and customs are very much necessary for a society to flourish. A Civilization is said to be complete only when it has certain customs and traditions." A lot of the commentary is the author's opinion ("This proves that ancient men knew today's scientific proofs - Men are intelligent and agressive than Women, While Women have more memory power and emotional than Men; and that Women are easy victims of evil by nature." Nevertheless, there are some facts among these facts. Mandsford (talk) 13:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete there are usually facts in any personal essay. I see no use in merging one long unreferenced (and poorly named) article with another long unreferenced article. We end up with an extremely long unreferenced article which is very likely to repeat information within itself. In other words a total mess. Polargeo (talk) 14:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete the only info that can be considered factual is the quotes from 2 texts, which are public domain, but are used here to promote original research. i suppose someone could put them in wikiquote, but do we even know the quotes are accurate. absolute, total, unsalvageable mess, title makes it a pov fork from other articles on hindu culture.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete Apart from OR, this looks like a case of WP:ADVOCACY from the anti-498A/feminism people.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOR, WP:NOT#OR 1 & 3, WP:SOAP 1 & 2, WP:POVFORK. Author states on talk page: "This article... is the general opinion of every individual born in India;" that's quite a statement. User:Mercurywoodrose said it best, "absolute, total, unsalvageable mess." Wine Guy Talk 18:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Sorry for the procedurally incorrect PROD, I'll try harder to avoid that in the future. I unfortunately didn't think then that there was anything to save, and I agree with the comments above to the same effect.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Essay. Joe Chill (talk) 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: As per above. -- (User) Mb (Talk) 11:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No good reasons to keep it :-) -- Rajith Mohan ^{(Talk to me..)} 06:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural nomination, was proposed for deletion with a prod previously declined in the history. Concern listed by nominator was:

"Non-notable former local flea market." Taelus (talk) 12:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Might be worth a mention in Massapequa Park, New York. We have a new author who has knowledge to assist in adding content to the article about that Long Island town. Although I don't think this merits its own separate article, I encourage the author to use the info in an existing page. Mandsford (talk) 13:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as non-notable. I would encourage user to add minor information along with sources to appropriate higher level articles as mentioned above. Polargeo (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Racepacket (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete, I PRODded this when I saw it roll by the end of Special:NewPages, sorry I didn't notice it had been PRODded before. Anyway, I stand by the view I expressed ("Non-notable former local flea market"), whether under WP:GNG or the failed proposal Wikipedia:Notability (shopping centers). Thanks for putting this here, Taaelus.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete - There actually is an article featuring the mall in the New York Times. However, beyond that, I can only incidental mentions. -- Whpq (talk) 17:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Other than the New York Times article, I could not find any other notable sources mentioning this market/mall. --FaceMash (talk) 23:48, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of words censored by search engines in the People's Republic_of_China (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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Per WP:IINFO and a lack of notability. Additionally, this list is nearly impossible to be updated in time. Most of the content are out-of-date. Jimmy Xu (talk) 11:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep "Wikipedia is not censored" either. Censorship practices are most certainly notable, as are methods of detecting dissidence in a police state. The only valid objection that I see here is that some of these may be out of date. Even the fact that certain words were censored in the past is notable, regardless of what nation it's taken place in. Here in the United States, when we were at war with Germany, sauerkraut was referred to in the press as "liberty cabbage". More recently was the silly "freedom fries" that some people took seriously. Mandsford (talk) 13:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I have added a References section to avoid original research accusations. Let's source the article, even though it's trivially easy to verify the claims. -- Dandv (talk) 13:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep. You can easily find tons of sources if you try to search "Search engine+censorship" or some similar keywords in some Chinese search engines, say google.cn. Maybe people outside China don't give a fuck about this, but I don't think that would make the article fail WP:N. Blodance (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This may be a job for the cleanup crew. There is no good reason to delete. Polargeo (talk) 14:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I may say that this list is uncompleted and wouldn't complete at any time (unless Chinese government stop its censorship). If the leading section is kept and the article is moved to some name like "Search engines censorship in the People's Republic of China" that would be fine, but if this is still a list, maybe it's not very suitable. BTW, apologies for my English.--Jimmy Xu (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China exists. Is it not useful to have an article on what is censored as long as it is well sourced it should not matter if it changes or is never completeable. The topic could be narrowed if editors thought the inclusion criteria were too broad and the list was getting out of control. Polargeo (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per above.  Grue  15:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep per Blodance. Racepacket (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NJA (t/c) 11:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable unreleased album with little or no media coverage of substance. Fails WP:NALBUM. Prod removed without comment. TheJazzDalek (talk) 10:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete or merge with one of the artists - I can't find any sources on this, which would suggest a delete, but if there are any out there I haven't been able to pick up a merge seems more appropriate (especially given that it's only a sentence or two long). Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, no coverage outside of blogs and YouTube. Does not yet meet WP:NALBUMS or WP:GNG. J04n(talk page) 14:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this album. Joe Chill (talk) 00:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Lacks significant third party coverage. JBsupreme (talk) 19:03, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn non-admin closure Bradjamesbrown (talk) 13:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prohibited degree of kinship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD • AfD statistics)

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This doesn't appear notable (WP:N). Incest is notable, but I can't find any direct coverage of this as stated. Khin2718 (talk) 08:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete If any sources were to be found, the information could be merged to Incest. As it stands now, delete and redirect to Incest. Wine Guy Talk 10:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC) Delete !vote struck, looks fine in restored form. Wine Guy Talk 19:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete - Article on Consanguinity and Incest already exists, no reason to have another one discussing the exact same thing. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC) Article expansion makes this vote void. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think we should judge the article on the content that it had last week [17] before the nominator pared it down to its current form [18]. Mandsford (talk) 13:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The extensive coverage of this phrase and the legal implications of it mean that this is not by any means a deletion issue. Polargeo (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any direct coverage of this phrase (as specified in WP:N) as an independent topic, only sources using it as a synonym for incest or containing trivial mentions in text. Khin2718 (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, someone needs to find sources showing this is notable, not just a random phrase or redundant.Khin2718 (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Revert and keep. Sources cited in text are sources. You don't get to gut an article and then claim it should be deleted as unsourced. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the article to it's pre nominator form and then restored the AfD tag. I thought this the quickest way to do this. Polargeo (talk) 15:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article had been merged into incest and cousin marriage.Khin2718 (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's not the same as incest. I found the article a useful reference for some genealogy research that I was doing. I don't understand why people would claim that it's not notable. Bluewave (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you're ok. Polargeo (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Humor is one of those things you have to be careful with, a lesson I've learned the hard way over the years. Clearly, that comment was intended as a harmless joke, but I'd be pissed if it had been directed at me. Mandsford (talk) 19:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's useful is an argument we're supposed to avoid, unless you can find sources showing notability. Khin2718 (talk) 19:31, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The term is also used in laws regarding nepotism. I've added this usage to the article (with ref.); there appears to be plenty of usage of the term in this sense [19]. Wine Guy Talk 20:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That may be a saving argument. However, all should note that this page still needs major cleanup, including removal of the material merged into cousin marriage, incest and Affinity (canon law) and removal of false statements. More material on nepotism would be especially good, if anyone wants to make that contribution.

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{{{1}}} Thanks, Khin2718 (talk) 00:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This certainly needs to be expanded, but the concept is used in the law of Wills. I could find dozens of notable cases about the topic. Bearian (talk) 04:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I expanded out a small set of examples regarding jury service, but I'm no expert. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 07:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I don't see anything wrong with the original long version [20]. Someone decided to just chop it up and merge bits into other articles, and do mass deleting. Will the information moved to other articles remain there? Or will someone there decide it isn't necessary? Why isn't it valid to show what all the major religions and cultures of the world think of this? And what does the jury selection policy of one state in one nation have to do with anything? This article was originally about forbidden marriage. Perhaps a new title would be appropriate for it. Kinship is defined is "relationship" in the Webster online dictionary. Prohibited degree of kinship could include homosexual relationships, which are prohibited in some religions and nations. Listing that homosexual marriages are forbidden, would fit in the new article, but no reason to include that all homosexual activity is illegal, that a different article. There may still be laws against mentally ill people marrying in some areas. The article can be developed. Dream Focus 08:11, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, prohibited kinship/relationship could involve the age of the victim. Just listing how it is forbidden to marry someone based on being a relative, having the same last name even if not related, age seen as too young in that society, homosexuality, or mental illness, would be a fine article. And some religious people are banned from marrying anyone who has been excommunicated by their church. Some might have laws against marrying someone from a different ethnic group(there is still some nations out there which are very racist). Dream Focus 08:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No indication of notability found at independent, reliable sources -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Withdrawing nomination - the opposes have convinced me that this should not be deleted, although the article does need work -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 11:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment A search on Google Scholar yielded no hits; Google Books either had his own books, or minor mentions; Google News has no hits; Google News Archive has 6 hits, none of them major. I cannot find evidence of notability as required by both WP:N and WP:MUSIC -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 09:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I'm not sure what you expected to find regarding a person notable as a performing classical musician in Google Scholar, Books or News. Wine Guy Talk 10:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep In my opinion this subject meets WP:MUSICBIO, as he is not only orchestral player, but also a composer, chamber musician, and soloist recording for a notable label - Naxos [21]. See also his profile at the Music Information Centre Norway and the Norwegian Academy of Music.--Vejvančický (talk) 09:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The CD'S were released by BIS, an independent classical label focusing on Scandinavian and Baltic composers. The label has its production under Naxos. --Vejvančický (talk) 10:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Meets WP:MUSICBIO 5. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). He is the featured soloist on two recordings made by BIS Records [22]. With a little bit of research for WP:RS, I think he would pass criteria 6 as well ...musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles. The article requires sources, not deletion. Wine Guy Talk 10:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NJA (t/c) 11:01, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable per WP:NSPORT, unreferenced. Prod contested by creator. MuffledThud (talk) 08:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Speedy Delete A7. Wine Guy Talk 10:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete A7, not notable enough to be merged. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Most high school athletic teams are not notable enough for their own separate article. Some of the achievements noted herein can be mentioned in a shorter form in the Heath High School article, but the usual practice is to include a link to webpages. School pride notwithstanding, if we were to allow team rosters and game results for one school, we would have to do it for every school's sports team in every sport. Mandsford (talk) 13:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, but not speedily (this doesn't really fall under A7) — clearly not a notable topic. Nyttend (talk) 14:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am admittedly a bit rusty on CSD/AfD; it's been a while since I was a regular participant. So that I may better understand the guideline, could you explain how this does not fall under A7, An article about a real...organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools),...that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. Wine Guy Talk 18:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I think that Wine Guy is right in suggesting that this could be speedily deleted; in practice, people usually differ about whether an article's subject is important or significant. To interpret the policy in the most strict construction of the words, an article about Abraham Lincoln could be speedily deleted by an administrator if it didn't include a sentence saying "Abraham Lincoln was significant." Mandsford (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Unnotable. I could see a sentence or two on the team in the school's article, but a full page with things like a full roster and description of a controversial match (shockingly, every call went against Heath) isn't appropriate. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as per above. GoCuse44 (talk) 05:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete - non-notable junior club, no significance or coverage.--ClubOranje^T 21:13, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Non-notable junior club. --Carioca (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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These are four supposed children's games from India for which no sources are given and for which I can find none. My PRODs were removed without comment by the author, who has also declined to answer my inquiry on his talk page about sourcing. I realize one should expect it to be hard to find sources about backyard games in India, but unfortunately we need to have them.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 07:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: all four games are regional variants and might be known by different names in different states. I have known (by other names) and played three of them myself. But reliable sources would be difficult to find. I think number of phd thesis exist for such games. But unpublished dissertations won't meet RS standards. Will have to look for regional language books.--Sodabottle (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all three into an article called Traditional Indian children's games. We have an entire Category:Children's games that would be more accurately called "Games that Wikipedians played while growing up in the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada or Australia". However, there does need to be sourcing regarding the existence of these games. An article based on one's childhood memories is only original research. Mandsford (talk) 13:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - There are better known games that aren't notable enough to have their own articles. EeepEeep (talk) 05:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete delete them all! Per nom andyzweb (talk) 06:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I'd like to pre-emptively quash any unfair claims of WP:BIAS -- if you have sources, show them. Put up or shut up. JBsupreme (talk) 18:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No possible way to verify. Bearian (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per Mansford. Title says it all. Merge seems like a good idea Buggie111 (talk) 03:29, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No sources presented. There is an assertion of notability but there is no evidence given. The article creator has also violated WP:COI. Oren0 (talk) 06:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I can find a couple of reviews of this groups from a small newspaper called The Daily Gleaner I can't find anything that would assert notability. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 12:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per noms above and reasoning NJA (t/c) 11:00, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn. heading to WP:SNOW.. LibStar (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:BIO and WP:PROF nothing in gnews. very little in gscholar. LibStar (talk) 06:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. You are searching for an uncommon spelling of his name. Searching for either "Duličenko" or "Дуличенко" gets greater numbers of hits in Google news, Google scholar, and Google books; the first name can be omitted, as most of the hits seem to be for the right person. And in any case the times and languages in which he was most active are not the ones best indexed by Google. I think the editorship and festschrift, while somewhat obscure, are enough for WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Constructed languages/Esperanto task force. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. In addition to what David Eppstein said, there is a biographical entry about him in "Encyclopedia of Rusyn history and culture"[23]. Nsk92 (talk) 15:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per all of the above. Werner Heisenberg (talk) 01:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for all the reasons outlined; but improve it. (Yes, I am an Esperantist.) --Orange Mike | Talk 04:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Once again: for contemporary non-English subjects, absence of Google footprint of evidence is not evidence of absence of notability. Please. Power.corrupts (talk) 23:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

google news covers various languages. it is often a good indicator of notability. if this individual has a well sourced Russian article (none exists) I would not have nominated it. if people can find foreign language sources they are welcome to. LibStar (talk) 14:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. He passes WP:PROF as a professor with a festschrift, which demonstrates significant peer esteem. Personally I think the existence of a festschrift should be mentioned explicitly in WP:PROF. This on its own makes him worthy of inclusion in my view. Of course non-English speaking and non-scientific academics will have lower Google rankings in general and I do not believe Wikipedia should be Anglo-centric in this regard. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 10:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a remark: festschrift is in fact already explicitly mentioned in WP:PROF, see item 3 in WP:PROF#Notes and examples. Nsk92 (talk) 11:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus The argument that it is written as an advertisement is an issue that can be fixed by editing the article a bit, which one contributor here has volunteered to do. The only other issue on the table is notability, and there is not a convincing argument one way or the other on that point, defaulting to keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:29, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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fails WP:CORP. no significant third party coverage [24]. LibStar (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:CORP, WP:GNG and any other notability guideline which may or may not apply. Additionally, violates WP:ARTSPAM; the only content contributor is User:SpencerDouglass (talk), who is listed as the company's Business Development Manager. This user has a history of creating non-notable articles including a biography of himself. Twice. Wine Guy Talk 09:38, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep - it does need a hefty rewrite but there is a list of their coverage at the end of the article (I have been keeping an eye on this for a while and don't feel notability is a problem). My worry is they seem to have gone awfully quiet leaving one edition of DevShard (from a proposed 15) although there is still some activity and the movie adaptation is ongoing - it seems like they have got wrapped up in other projects but Kevin Grevioux has got involved with them so they haven't vanished (not that'd necessarily be a grounds for deletion but it does mean we can't rule out more in addition to what is already there). (Emperor (talk) 04:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC))[reply]

• Delete written like an advertisement, no indication of notability and a possible CoI for a major editor. Simonm223 (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - concerns over advertising can be easily addressed (which I'd be happy to do myself). Notability might be borderline, but enough sourcing seems to exist to validate an article. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Author Blanked Page  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Contested prod. Spontaneous, not notable religious movement. OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 05:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Clearly non-notable. Aside from the fact that no reliable sources can be found anywhere, this looks to be a purely a promotional article. The article says "The All Faiths Movement was birthed out of the desire of a simple theology student to begin a religion that absorbs all religions..." and "This movement was born on 12 January 2010." In other words, this is apparently a theology student's idea, which they proceeded to write an article about (under the username User:Allfaiths, which reinforces speculation of a conflict of interest and pure promotion).Swarm^Talk 07:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My post is not promotional as explained in the discussion section. John Wesley was a student at Oxford when he started the Holy Club which became Methodism. Your argument is therefore invalid.Allfaiths (talk) 07:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I fail the see the logical progression of how John Wesley's founding of Methodism makes your article non-self promoting.Byjupiter (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, obviously, per WP:NFT.  Glenfarclas  (talk) 08:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, this is shameless self promotion. If this movement does catch on and become noteworthy, then it would merit inclusion in Wikipedia. Simply put, a religious movement birthed yesterday could not have generated a following or garnered enough attention to be noteworthy. Byjupiter (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The parent institution may well be notable, though it does not appear to have an article in the Greek Wikipedia; but this is one department of one school within it, and there is no indication of notability. JohnCD (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I have some real concerns about the notability of this college. Google test doesn't show any link to the college, and we are at about 4th or 5th in the results. Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 05:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This search appears to show that there is no reference to the college's website in the Greek Wikipedia. Perhaps editors who read Greek could comment on the notability of this department or the institute as a whole. If the institute is genuine, the English Wikipedia should probably have an article on it. – Eastmain (talk) 07:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  That's a good idea... should have thought about that... - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 08:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - a single article (which has yet to be written for English Wikipedia) should cover all of Alexander Technological Educational Institute (TEI). The level of detail here in terms of course offerings is too specific to be allowed for an English or American University. Hence, I would delete with the hope that the article's creator could focus on the larger institution, TEI. If coverage of the entire Institute then grows to the point of needing to split off parts into a separate article, split off by department may not be the best way to go at that time. Racepacket (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Expand/rename to cover Alexander Technological Educational Institute and remove the course detail. TerriersFan (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It is absurd to have an article on one department of an institution of minor notability. I don't see a lot of point in renaming it: if anyone can write an article on the whole institute they can start from scratch: there is so little here worth including that it would be no extra trouble really. JamesBWatson (talk) 23:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NJA (t/c) 11:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a mixtape without any sources that establish its notability. PROD was contested with the reason "Added two additional sources", but both sources are track listings without additional substantive content. Yappy2bhere (talk) 05:14, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not a notable mixtape as the nom explains. Besides which, this is yet another page with a track listing and zero encyclopedic content, so at minimum WP:NALBUMS counsels, "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting."  Glenfarclas  (talk) 08:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this album. Joe Chill (talk) 22:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]