Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jacques Hiron

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques Hiron (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Unsourced article since its creation 15 years ago. I did try to find sources but I wasn't really able to find anything beyond confirmation that his books exist. As far as I can tell, coverage does not meet WP:NAUTHOR. I missed a previous PROD from 2008 in the page history, so GB fan is correct in that this must go to AfD. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors and France. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I can't tell if it's the same person, there seems to be an author with the same name involved with maritime adventure books and Tintin, [1], [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: possibly notable: [3]. Multiple articles on French comic book sites; it's hard to tell if they're WP:RS but I note some are cited by multiple articles on the French Wikipedia (bandedessinee.info, BDParadisio.com). We have a French Wikipedia article on Hiron: fr:Jacques Hiron.

The article does a poor job of explaining Hiron's career. Hiron is a noted "tintinophile" -- that is, an expert on the Tintin universe, and the iconic French comic series' Belgian creator, Hergé. Hiron has also written his own graphic novels and comics ("bande dessinée" in French), the Le Paquebot des sables series about intrigue and adventures on the MV Moonta.

I'm still pondering notability; I'll be either a weak keep or a weak delete. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

•  Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: While this discussion appears to have no quorum, it is NOT eligible for soft deletion because it has been previously PROD'd (via summary).

--Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 04:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Lots of references in the corresponding French article at fr:Jacques Hiron as well as those mentioned by other participants in this discussion. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:06, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I looked at the French Wikipedia article before coming here. The coverage I'm seeing isn't anywhere near enough for WP:NAUTHOR. I'm willing to be proven wrong but please be more specific than "sources exist", which is an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Eastmain Lot's of bad refereences. But I am open to seeing you review them and telling me which meet WP:SIGCOV and WP:RS? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - nothing in our article suggests he is notable; writers need to meet WP:NCREATIVE (GNG) like everyone else. Having read comments above, feel free to ping me IF sources are found that suggest notability, but no such sources have been linked here so far, nor what I see in the fr wiki article suggests they are there. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Sadly, the comic/graphic-novel arts are not well covered by sources, but if anyone knows of some, please let me know! I found a lot of sales sites, a few short interviews. Even his own site gives very little information other than listing the publications. I could imagine considering him notable as an author, but I have no idea how to see relative sales of French graphic novels nor how to evaluate them. Lamona (talk) 02:11, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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