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Authorship stats

  1. Ceoil 30.8%
  2. Firefangledfeathers 30.2%
  3. Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius 9.5%

Top editor stats

  1. Ceoil · 679 (54.2%)
  2. Firefangledfeathers · 144 (11.5%)
  3. Victoriaearle · 128 (10.2%)

Stats excerpted as of 23 October 2022

Featured Article Save Award nominations

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FASA nomination Ceoil

I nominate Ceoil for a Featured article save award for improvements to H.D. during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Discussion Ceoil

  1. Support, thanks as always ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support: the steadiest hand on the wheel since the nom in March. A great collaborative editor! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support: as nominator of the FAR I could observe the steady and impressive improvements the article experienced under his lead from the start of the FAR process.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:56, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Hog Farm Talk 02:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support, has been crucial all of this! Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius (talk) 21:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support. Nice job! It's really good to see that H.D. has such a nice page now. You took your time and in my view it paid off. Victoria (tk) 20:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FASA nomination Firefangledfeathers

I nominate Firefangledfeathers for a Featured article save award for improvements to H.D. during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Firefangledfeathers

  1. Support, thanks again ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support,Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Hog Farm Talk 02:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support, FFF has been fantastic! Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support huge, high quality & unflagging work. This would have lagged if not for Firefangledfeathers. Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support - mostly per Ceoil. FFF kept it moving, put an enormous amount of work into the reformatting refs, among other things. Was a pleasure to watch. Victoria (tk) 20:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FASA nomination Victoriaearle

I nominate Victoriaearle for a Featured article save award for improvements to H.D. during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Victoriaearle

  1. Support, as always, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support: invaluable content knowledge. I remember Victoriaearle manifesting the perfect source for a tricky spot (pulled from the great work done at Ezra Pound. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support:was a surprising pleasure to observe how the article became better, better, and better again! during her collaboration with SG who in my opinion would deserve a nomination as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Hog Farm Talk 02:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support for both direct edits and guidance and clear headiness on article talk and FAR itself. Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FASA nomination Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius

I nominate Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius for a Featured article save award for improvements to H.D. during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Pseudo-Pseudo-Dionysius

  1. Support, thanks for helping! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, glad it wasn't me that had to tidy up §Works. Excited to have someone on the team with their finger on the pulse of modern H.D. scholarship. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:50, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Hog Farm Talk 02:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support The edits from the 4th of October especially were just wow. Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support - again per Ceoil. It's really exciting to see a specialist jumping to help. Hope to see you around. Victoria (tk) 20:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support. –♠Vamí_IV†♠ 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FASA nomination Sandy Georgia

  1. Support from my point of view SandyGeorgia coordinated the larger part of the whole FAR on H.D. for sure also assisted by Nikkimaria who patiently, but rather resiliently (for months!) kept insisting on updates regarding the FAR on H.D. Was really a pleasure to observe the improvements.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, but as you can see at the main WP:FASA page, I have declined to accept recognition for my work at FAR ... appreciate the notion anyway! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:16, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ouups. Sorry, I was not aware of such a possibility. I withdraw my nomination for SG.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Absolutely, even if the nom is withdrawn and I'm not supposed to ;) Ceoil (talk) 21:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SG comments

I'm going to re-start from the top, since my initial review found so much confusion. I understand lead items will be left 'til last, but will list any I see anyway ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:31, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

  • Do we need the word long here? (Don't most writers write into their dotage ?? ... Unsure, asking ... ) "Her long career began in 1911". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suspect when you re-work the lead there will be some rearrangement of clauses ??? "After years of friendship, she developed a romantic relationship with Pound. Their brief engagement was ended by the disapproval of her parents."
  • OK, I'm not up on the terminology, so take with a grain of salt ... in second lead paragraph ... we first have a lesbian relationship, then we discuss two relationships with men, and then when we hit Freud we first mention bisexuality. Is she bisexual rather than lesbian, and does the first lesbian need to be adjusted (sorry for displaying my ignorance here :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

Early life chronology now works for me ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:46, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sentence structure repetition fixed, I think. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:36, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Imagism

World War I

  • she was appointed assistant editor of The Egoist as a substitute for Aldington after he enlisted in the army. ... we just read that he had enlisted, do we need to repeat it? Or can we shorten it to "substitute for the absent Aldington" or some such ? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • At this point, I expect some detail on the child ?? She became pregnant with Gray's child,[33] ... we find the detail two paragraphs later, but at this point we're left hanging ... some bits from the subsequent paragraph (eg child's name) might be moved up to here ?
    Have added more on Perdita Ceoil (talk) 23:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "while suffering from war influenza." ... do we have to have the Easter egg to Spanish influenza ? Why not just call it what it's known as ? If we can avoid "suffering from", we can avoid a MEDMOS kerfuffle down the road, as someone goes around changing them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I fixed these by re-organizing the section and trimming some detail. Let me know if the new chronology works for you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs)
    Much better. But I see three instances in this one section of "during this time/period" ... vary? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Novels and psychoanalysis

  • This tense seems odd ? She had an interest in Freud's theories since 1909 when she read his works

World War II

  • Suddenly, no more MacPherson ... Hilda and Bryher spent World War II in London ...
  • Same muddle of publication dates ... some written out in text, others in parens.
    I'm not used to the introduced cite templates, but ok now I think. Ceoil (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No need for passive voice here ... The first was written while living in London ... She wrote the first while living ...

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Late work

Death

Nothing ... but I wonder if the short section is needed or if the previous section might be "Later work and death" ... indifferent, personal choice. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:40, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree and merged. Had hoped to find more on her death, but ended with just a para. Ceoil (talk) 12:35, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appraisal

  • All the above seems fine, given she was born in 1886, Spanish flu, a lot of early Modernist poets died young, and she peaked early in critical terms; the fact that she kept on going and produced numerous career high work in her mature period is worth calling out no? Ceoil (talk) 00:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ceoil, yes, I was typing as I went, and eventually came to the part that backed up the long career ... sorry! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Legacy

  • grammar ... many male writers and poets, including Robert Duncan[83] and have acknowledged their debt.

Done! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Thank you so much for such a forensic look through. We/I are not there yet, but it seems to have been real ;) Ceoil (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are we ready to ping in Hog Farm for the next look? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The call is the mighty Firefangledfeathers, as I'll be gone and they will have to do any further clean up. Ceoil (talk) 00:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think FFF/EOD had some other things they wanted to clean up first, so I'll hold off ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can prob get a few hours next weekend after next, as have sources re sexuality for the lead, the relationship trysts, the emotional support Bryher provided in later years (not well explained now), and the frankly emotional abuse Aldington put her through. Hopefully, we will all get to this in the nest week and a half-ish. Ceoil (talk) 01:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Aldington, Bryher, and sexuality are all things that I think could be beefed up, so I'm glad they're on your radar. I'm happy to be the shepherd for the last bits here and whatever Hog Farm digs up. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Confused ... do we wait then a week or two for Ceoil to add in those bits, or do we go ahead and ping in Hog Farm now? I want to update the main FAR page as to where we stand ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wont get to it tonight, but her relationship with Aldington was significantly poor before and during his service in WWI (both at fault), to the extent that we could say she was then depressed. And perhaps traumatised to an extent that she never really recovered. Which is where Bryher comes in. Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ps Firefangledfeathers, its a delight working with you, very impressed, and look forward, but will need 1 -2 weeks Ceoil (talk) 01:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You as well! I understand your work on the above bits will be coming in a bit of time. That works for me! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OOps, never mind my question above ... I see we should wait then ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:08, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Firefangledfeathers, I've got to hop off for a bit to deal with IRL stuff ... once you are through all of this, might you ping Hog Farm for the next set of eyes? Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing

Harvref error:

  • Quinn, Vincent (Winter 1977). "H. D.'s "Hermetic Definition": The Poet as Archetypal Mother". Contemporary Literature. 18 (1): 51–61. doi:10.2307/1207850. ISSN 0010-7484. JSTOR 1207850. Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named CITEREFQuinn1977.

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Which English ? We have realised, traumatised etc but then characterized, criticized. Check throughout needed andd I found no template indicating which to use. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF comments

This one's really close to a keep I think. Hog Farm Talk 23:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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