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Hello @Firefangledfeathers,

I encourage you to participate in or at least look at my report on IP35 located here.

Thank you for your help. ItsCheck (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A terrible turn. Sorry ItsCheck. I blocked the IP for 3 months. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Firefangledfeathers, do you think there is enough evidence that User:DementiaGaming is an account that belongs to IP35? Even though DementiaGaming has 1000 edits, they possess the same defensive behavior as IP 35 and make edits on similar articles if not the same ones, almost like they are a mirror of IP 35. I'll let you know if IP 35 starts bothering me again, but there could be something deeper going on. Anyway, I'm not asking you to do anything. I just want to know what you think of all this. Would a Check User be necessary? Thank you, ItsCheck (talk) 05:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is undeniably, laughably untrue. It is based on a few threads related to or on the 2006 talk page which got out of hand, starting with you putting a complaint on my talk page about a video game that I didn't even knew existed being released to the public, which will never be a notable enough event to be on the page. You also do not have nearly enough evidence to prove I am that IP. My real IP is vastly different from that one, even if I "mirror" or "possess the same defensive behavior" as them. So please, do not bring me into this and figure out the children's video game argument on 2006. DementiaGaming (talk) 19:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ItsCheck, I don't think so. There are a lot of editors whose main focus is date/year articles, and it would be hard to see overlap as evidence of sockpuppetry. I don't get the sense that the behavior is a match. CheckUser would not be helpful here, as they will not publicly connect a user to an IP. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ItsCheck, I got a ping from IP35, and they're suggesting that you've been going through and reverting a bunch of their changes. It does seem like maybe you've done that at least a couple times. Since there's so much to improve on the years and date pages, it would be very helpful if you would focus on other things. Please be careful also about calling things "vandalism". Like "unexplained removal", we have a very specific definition of it, and accusations that don't hew to the definition can themselves be personal attacks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Firefangledfeathers Yes, I have been going through their old edits and cleaning up the unconstructive ones, as well as bringing back events that IP 35 removed because they were uncited and adding citations to them. As for calling them vandalism, this is simply false. I even called some edits good faith and explained why I removed them, but I left most of the edit summaries empty. Unless twinkle labeled my reverts as vandalism, I’m not sure why IP 35 thinks I’m trying to attack him. Besides, 90% of their edits that I reviewed were good, so I left them alone. As for the others, I had a good reason to revert them, like the one mentioned above. If leaving them alone would help, I would be happy to stop reverting edits from them and also stay away from the year articles in the near future. Edit: I just noticed that I did call an edit vandalism, one that did not necessarily condone it. I’m sorry about that. ItsCheck (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ItsCheck, I was referring to this edit. I don't think you need to stay away from year articles. If you're looking to remove uncited entries, there are hundreds to work on, though it would be better to attempt to find sources, which are frequently available at the linked article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw your edit. Thanks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Firefangledfeathers Yeah, I’ll just stay away from IP 35 so I don’t make myself look bad. ItsCheck (talk) 16:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did acknowledge that in a edit I made to my reply before you added that. ItsCheck (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I opted not to open another discussion for GS/AA in ANI because these are fairly straight forward, I hope you don't mind me posting on your page: two other users who were warned about GS/AA continued editing articles covered by it, [1], [2] Can you take a look? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 08:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KhndzorUtogh. I don't think the first edit is AA related, but you

may want to warn them about WP:GS/KURD. For the second , I think the best next step is for you to discuss with them at both their user talk (why was their edit problematic) and the article talk page (why do you oppose their change). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I reverted both users because of the restrictions (I think first article might also be under GS/AA if you see this section but it's covered by GS/KURD regardless as you pointed out. I didn't know about the latter). I also made comments to both users like you suggested [3], [4]. Will let you know if there are further developments, if you don't mind. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 08:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The user you've topic banned and blocked for a week, soon after the block has expired, they've gone on reporting IPs in AA. Isn't this another violation of their topic ban? [5] KhndzorUtogh (talk) 09:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WITCHHUNT Göycen (talk) 10:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KhndzorUtogh, it's possible some of those IPs edits are covered by GS/AA, but Göycen's report doesn't mention or inherently rely on any particular edit. Göycen, you should expect that editors will be reviewing your upcoming changes to ensure you aren't violating your TBAN. This edit was close to the edges, so I urge more caution. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What makes a page GS/AA? Is there a distinction? For example, can I create a village page for a location in Turkey near the Armenian border? Can I create a page for a food from eastern Turkey, which shares cultural elements with Azerbaijan? Does the GS/AA designation apply to any page containing text about Armenia and/or Azerbaijan, or is there a specific list? Göycen (talk) 11:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's no specific list. The general guidance is at WP:TBAN, and you should ask questions if you're unsure. A village near the Armenian border would probably be fine, as would a village within Armenia or Azerbaijan, unless the village is related to politics, ethnic relations, or conflicts. If it's part of a disputed area, that would definitely not be permissible. The food might be fine, as long as the page and the specific edits you're making are not tied to some Azerbaijan–Turkey cultural conflict. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the users I mentioned here that was warned of GS/AA and GS/KURD [6], BaharatlıCheetos2.0, has been sockpuppeting with a new account named BaharatlıCheetos2.0'ın devamı (talk · contribs) ("devamı" at the end translates to "sequel”). They went against GS/AA again several times in spite of the warning on their first account’s talk page [7], [8], [9], and they have created a bunch of articles that are at least broadly covered by GS/AA (see these sections for instance: [10], [11], [12]). There is also a sockpuppet investigation [13]. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 15:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I commented at the SPI, and I think it's too soon to say if something bad-faith is going on. I'll give a formal warning about the GS/AA violations. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, they've violated GS/AA once again [14]. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They've violated GS/AA once more [15]. The article is about Armenian genocide perpetrators' party, and they're specifically editing the name of the main perpetrator, Tallat Pasha. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 19:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KhndzorUtogh. This is not one I want to act on, administratively. Consider seeking enforcement from another active admin or bringing it to WP:ANI. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 22:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, FFF. I believe that you considered reviewing the Minneapolis FAR at one time. Can you possibly consider that again? The FAR is stalled, and has gone on almost a year. One keep vote but nothing since then. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SusanLesch! Hope you've been well. It's on my to-do list, and I'll focus on it once I finish an outstanding GA review. Hopefully later this week or next weekend. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Much obliged! -SusanLesch (talk) 16:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Firefangledfeathers my amazing mentor. My inquiry is about a possible 'article' about the Pensacola Historical Society. It Looks like there was a specific page associated with this topic (maybe). There is no article however it seems that there is a near/topic 'redlink' subject. It seems that there (maybe) once was such a 'society'. However, it became defunct & later regained recognition ... As well, this same 'society' has since been renamed. So, here is my question. For 'historical reference' can I write an article about this subject ? TriosLosDios (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Setting aside notability for a moment, yes, you could definitely write an article about the organization. Even if it hadn't regained recognition, an article about a defunct historical society would be fine. The question as always is: will it meet any notability criterion? The specific notability guideline for organizations, WP:NORG, is fairly strict about the need for independent sources. I would read and re-read all the sections of WP:ORGCRIT and refer back to it frequently while evaluating sources. I might be able to help. The society seems like the kind of thing that could get newspaper coverage, and I can check out Newspapers.com—one thing you can look forward to in September is access to the Wikipedia Library, which includes the free use of many high-quality research tools, including Newspapers.com. I have a chunk of other work on my plate right now, but if I haven't gotten back to you in a week or so, you should ping me a reminder. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:2600:1006:B065:70C8:0:0:0:0/64? They’re not so good. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discospinster did it. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if we can ask for an acceleration of the check user because of the daily conflicts. (is it common? is it permitabble?) Surely its implementation would give a different, the right, direction to things. D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but SPI is really backlogged right now. Hopefully a CU will be along soon. Again, your filing will be more attractive if you convert those revision links into diffs. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've told me this before, but the point is that I want to show the participation in the same topics. It's not a matter of edits within the same article. Unless I don't understand exactly what is meant. D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't think there's any similarity between their edits to those articles? If not, overlap on two Greek political parties and the practice of blanking talk page notices (which is very common) do not constitute enough evidence for a CU check. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you mean to point out similar edits within the same articles; that is more important; D.S. Lioness (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, very much. I will change it as soon as possible. D.S. Lioness (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the strongest evidence I have is because of our personal acquaintance on Greek Wikipedia. The alleged, new user knew some details about me, which he could not have known if he had not participated in our discussions in the Greek WP, as deepfriedfeta and as Nikolaos Fanaris. But does that count as an argument capable of triggering user check? D.S. Lioness (talk) 01:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. How do I link articles to Wikidata and other language Wikipedias? I need to do it on the article I published, Holger Rosenkrantz. --Svampesky (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Once you log in to Wikidata, use the search bar to find the right person. There's a section on his page for "Wikipedia", which you can edit to add "en" and the name of your article. That change will mean that the article here will automatically link to the other language versions. If you know of other language versions to add, keep adding to the "Wikipedia" section at the Wikidata page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't provide translation copyright attribution on Præsidenten fra Nordvest or Holger Rosenkrantz. I have the wikicode for both. Are you able to delete both of the pages and I'll recreate them with the correct copyright attribution. For both pages I'm pretty much the sole contributor in terms of content. If so, can you delete Præsidenten fra Nordvest first, then I recreate it. Then I'll reply to this for you to do Holger Rosenkrantz after. Svampesky (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No deletion needed. In your next edit summary on each article, use the message provided at WP:RIA in addition to your explanatory edit summary. If you're not planning to edit again soon, use a dummy edit. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Done and done. Thanks! Svampesky (talk) 22:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I assume you intend to actually semi-protect the article? Don't mean to be pushy.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Feel free to be pushy when it comes to slips like that! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could see you doing all the paperwork and just wasn't sure if you hadn't gotten to it yet. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question on copyright and translation. On articles, when I use sources that are in different language, what's the legal stance on copyright with providing a translation? WP:ENGLISHPLEASE says Do not expect readers to translate your content themselves, not even when modern browsers have machine translation built-in., however, if I provide a translation of an extract I will be infringing on the copyright of the source. --Svampesky (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Svampesky. When you provide a translation, it should be clear that it's quoted material. Use quotation marks or a block quote template. Make sure the citation makes it clear where the text originates, and consider in-text attribution. As long as the quoted material isn't excessively long, you'll be fine. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me clarify, I mean in the references, not the actual body of the article. On Holger Rosenkrantz some of the refs are in Danish and there isn't a parameter for 'translation' in the citation. What's the legal/copyright stance on this in providing a translation in the ref? Svampesky (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Most citation templates include quote= and trans-quote= parameters to include quotes and translated quotes. Inclusion of a quote is not necessary, but if you do include a quote, you should provide a translation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about using quotes from sources that are not publicly accessible? I borrowed a book from the state-owned national library and the collection is only accessible to citizens and residents. The library permits the use of its materials for research purposes (including Wikipedia) but clearly states that only citizens and residents have access to the actual content. Svampesky (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, thank you so much for doing that research work! It's nice to include a quote if the material is hard to access. At the very least, keep a transcribed version with you so you can justify the content later if questioned by another editor. A quote is still not required. One other bit of unsolicited advice: make sure all the sources you use were published. See WP:OR for the importance of using published material. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Every single book that is published in a country is available in its respective national library. Is there anywhere where I've done original research, so I don't do it again? I don't think I have access to research material like academic papers or journals. Svampesky (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you've done any OR. I just know some people get into the national library and are seized by research mania. Access to things like unpublished letters, diaries, etc., can tempt even the best of us into OR! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay cool. I don't even think I have access to academic papers or journals (and I'm assuming they have all the non-peer-reviewed work too), or anything that would require me to wear those white archivist gloves. I do have a question about the reliability of books though. Most national libraries are legal deposits, so any book that is published in a country has to be in the collection. This includes books that are unverified. Theoretically, I could find a book full of lurid conspiracy theories and cite it. For example, in Holger Rosenkrantz, I cited a book published by Christian Focus Publications; I think they could be biased on certain topics so I only extracted the factual information. But Oxford University Press and University Press of Liverpool I would deem them reliable as they are academic institutions. I know about WP:RSP for online sources, but does Wikipedia have any assessment scale for book publishers? Svampesky (talk) 19:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. RSP is not just for online sources, but it does not weigh in on very many book publishers. If you don't trust your own judgment—which you should in most cases—you could ask at WP:RSN. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello hope you are well. I’m not sure if you’re the right person to ask but I’d like to create a page. Could you give me some info on how to do this? I’ve checked the notability guides and the person I want to create a page is all good.

Thanks :) --Regoregitated (talk) 14:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Regoregitated. There's some good guidance at Help:Your first article, which advises that you use draft space for your first article. If you'd like to skip that recommended step, there's Wikipedia:How to create a page. If you're writing an article about a person, there are also some guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have seen that you blocked Special:Contributions/2409:4085:2E19:0:0:0:0:0/48. Do you think simple:Special:Contributions/2409:4085:2E19:0:0:0:0:0/48 is the same editor, and can you explain why? Any kind of information will be appreciated. Thank you for your attention and assistance. MathXplore (talk) 06:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MathXplore. I'll have some time to look into this later today. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MathXplore. I'm confident it's the same user. I sent you an email with my explanation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the information. MathXplore (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello my amazing mentor @Firefangledfeathers:. Good day to you. I hope you can take a look at my sandbox. There's an 'article' draft that I started in hopes to create a new 'article' Re: Dubose Oil Products Company. If you can take a look at it let me know what you think. I am open for any suggestions of improvement here. Thanks! --TriosLosDios (talk) 04:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey TLD! You're catching me just before I have to log off for a while. Will get back to you as soon as I can. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TriosLosDios, an interesting read! The first thing you'll want to do is collect some independent, non-government sources. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do agree {ping|Firefangledfeathers} this is definitely an interesting read. Now that the government sources have been applied to draft. I looked into locating a non-government source. I'm still not upto par w/ ... even using visual editor to add Cite source ... I'm still having some (possible) difficulty. Also, if there is any way you can explain the purpose or similarity between what topics are used in references & see also sections ? Think I'm almost there but looks can be deceiving. Thanks, for your phenomenal inspiration 💯 TriosLosDios (talk) 18:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't use Visual much, but maybe we can try an example together. Looks like you want to cite an epa.gov source right after "... protect people and the environment." You should

1. Delete the url and brackets you currently have there
2. Have your cursor right where you want the citation to be, just after the period after "environment".
3. Click the "Cite" button in the top menu. It has a quotation mark icon.
4. Stay on the "Automatic" tab
5. Paste the url
6. Click "Create"
7. Click "Insert"

If that works, I can help you with the next couple steps. The "See also" section is just for links to other Wikipedia articles, not for sources. Sources that aren't used in any citations but that might be interesting to the reader go in a "Further reading" section. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes & think I messed up my references & see also sections of the article. Overall the article turned out to be pretty interesting. As for your additional suggestions for using Visual editor; I will keep those tips for future use. However, I mainly use source editor. Thanks, for being an Amazing Mentor ! TriosLosDios (talk) 00:46, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I misunderstood! I only use source editor. Would you like some help formatting the references? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:35, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there's an obviously learning curve here that I am interested in participating. Help, with formatting the references will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! TriosLosDios (talk) 01:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Firefangledfeathers,

Please use Twinkle to delete pages like categories that are deleted as the result of a CFD, in this case, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 6#Category:Tourism in the Republic of Artsakh. Right now, the page's deletion notice says that they were deleted as the result of CSD G6 "Housekeeping" when the deletion tag on the page actually linked to the CFD discussion where it was decided to delete them. Then editors will know not to recreate them because of the deletion discussion but G6 doesn't refer to this at all If you just use Twinkle, select CSD, it will have the field all filled out with the link to the CFD, please do this rather than just doing a page deletion and selecting CSD G6 that provides no information on why they were deleted. This also works with PRODs as well. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good advice. Thanks Liz! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]