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Covet Fashion

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lacks significant coverage from reliable sources, failing to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Loewstisch (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Loewstisch (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete VICE is major significant coverage, and I found additional SIGCOV here in this physical book, but Venture Beat seems more like an interview/primary source. I am not seeing GNG being passed here. If others discover more, I am willing to change my opinion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I was able to find this article from Fortune, but it requires a subscription to read so I'm unable to assess if it's significant coverage or not. I also found another interview from Venture Beat and short coverage from Bleeding Cool about a New York Fashion Week update - I don't think these really demonstrate notability but they may be useful for a 'development' section if article is kept. Waxworker (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep the coverage in Fortune appears to be an article solely on the topic. The Vice article is clearly above the WP:N bar. The Bleeding Cool one is probably above the bar for "significant". That's 2 or 3 sources, all of which are solely focused on the topic. The other sources have decent information, but appear to be press releases or otherwise primary. Hobit (talk) 14:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santhosh Suvarna

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Non-notable person, lacking WP:SIGCOV outside specialist poker websites. Does not appear to have won any notable, major tournaments. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The Nagaland Post and the APN News are definately independant non-specialized sources. sportskeeda is specialized in sports but not specificially poker. PsychoticIncall (talk) 16:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Neves (poker player)

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Non-notable person, lacking WP:SIGCOV outside specialist poker websites. Does not appear to have won any notable, major tournaments. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Frank Funaro (poker player)

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Non-notable person, lacking WP:SIGCOV outside specialist poker websites. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:36, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Park (poker player)

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Non-notable person, no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 17:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no significant coverages added. Need to add more sources. Xegma(talk) 17:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More sources added + revised. PsychoticIncall (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Frank Funaro (poker player). The two tournaments mentioned in this article is basically the same as the one in the other article (Funaro) but lower level variants (sharing the same structure and format). PsychoticIncall (talk) 13:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Manuel Bellón López

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Juan Manuel Bellón López is not notable. He is only interesting because his wife is the famous Pia Cramling. The only fact on this page which merits mentioning on Wikipedia is his five-time Spanish Chess Championships, a fact which can also be found on the page of his daughter, Anna Cramling. Every Grandmaster does not deserve their own page for being connected to actually notable grandmasters. Just`Existing 04:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Spain and Sweden. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no chess person (rated at like 800) and the article has very little in the way of usable sources. But I'd be shocked if a GM didn't have enough coverage to get over the WP:N bar. Hobit (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. To be a chess player who has achieved the highest FIDE title of Grandmaster ought to be enough on it's own, but when you also consider he is a five times national champion, and an Olympiad medal winner (chess's equivalent of the Olympics - the pinnacle of team chess), then of course he is an easy Keep. If this grade of player isn't notable enough for an article, then most chess players on wiki would need to be deleted. Brittle heaven (talk) 02:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are no secondary sources available on either the English or Spanish pages. Being a five time champion is impressive but not enough to guarantee notability without any secondary sources talking about it. Just`Existing 02:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Easy keep. He's a Grandmaster, has played in 11 chess olympiads, and is five times champion of a strong chess playing country. It's ridiculous to say he's only known for his marriage to Pia Cramling. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 18:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a prime example of "internetism", the assumption that if it's not on the internet (or at least easily findable by google) then it's not notable. Bellon was at his peak strength from the early 70s to early 90s, which is why google doesn't turn up many results except in connection with his wife and daughter. But I can assure you that he was well known to chess players before the internet came along, and before he ever met Pia Cramling. Consider, for example, the results of a search of the Swedish magazine Tidsskrift för Schack - 147 hits, about half of them from the pre-internet days. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 01:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting discussion. Participants are arguing to Keep this article based on his biography but in AFDs, we need to see evidence of notability established by independent, reliable, seconary sources that can verify information in the article. If you want this article to be Kept, please locate and share sources, online or off, that can help with this process. Withough adequate sourcing, this BLP will be deleted.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:25, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yes lack of significant coverages and need more sources. Xegma(talk) 05:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Grandmaster, five time national champion, and frequent participant on the Spanish olympiad team makes Bellon clearly notable as a chess player on his own merits. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:09, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per explanation by MaxBrowne2. It is true that the article, which is only one or two levels above stub quality, did not cite any of the normal sources. The way to fix this is not to delete the article, but to do some research and find and cite the sources. I have made a start on this by citing the Swedish chess magazine that MaxBrowne2 mentioned, to support the first of his Spanish national championship wins. Sorry for using a Swedish-language source, I did not see it in my favorite English-language source, the collected back issues of Chess Life. I would like to do better, but research into pre-internet sources takes time and effort. Sorry guys, it takes more than a negative result of a Google search to determine that an international sports figure is not notable. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thing is, we don't need to fix this article tomorrow, or this week, or this year. That's not how Wikipedia works and never has been. Articles start out as stubs and gradually improve over the years. All we need to do is prove that sources on him exist. BLP is not really an issue since the article contains no negative material about the man. Here's a biography in Spanish. https://www.ajedrezdeataque.com/04%20Articulos/51%20Bellon/Juan_Manuel.htm MaxBrowne2 (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The fact that he's a Grandmaster and 5x Spanish Chess Championship easily meets the bar for notability. Smokerton (talk) 23:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This grandmaster has been an iconic ambassador for chess since the 1970's. He and his wife Pia who is also a grandmaster were the first chess grandmaster married couple and their daughter Anna is a chess master too boot. Juan defeated some of the very best players in the world of his generation and he continues to promote chess worldwide. Some of his chess matches were astonishing in his wonderfully aggressive and deliberate style of play. He needs to be remembered then and now. Murraynews (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Games-related deletions

Covet Fashion

Santhosh Suvarna

Pedro Neves (poker player)

Frank Funaro (poker player)

Peter Park (poker player)

Juan Manuel Bellón López

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