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The result of the debate was move to Little Italy, Ottawa which I will do now. Feel free to expand from there as you see fit. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Preston Street (Ottawa)

nn road Delete --Aranda56 23:55, 19 September 2005 (UTC) Move to Little Italy, Ottawa --Aranda56 22:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep of course. This is one of Ottawa's more notable streets, what being the heart of Little Italy and all. It even has an italian alternate name! -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:16, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notable? What is the difference between this road and the road in front of my apartment? Are the stores in Little Italy notable because they are in Little Italy? Wouldn't an article on 'Little Italy' include everything you can say about 'Preston Street' (or rather, what info is relevant to Preston Street and not to Little Italy)? --maclean25 06:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per Earl Andrew. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Little Italy, Ottawa in parallel with the rest of the Little Italies, and rewrite to cover the area instead of one street. — mendel ☎ 00:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article claims this is an important street but doesn't say why at that point. Only claim to specific importance is "at the heart of Little Italy", so merge to the not-yet-created article proposed by Mendel, per WP precedent. "Having an [I]talian alternate name" isn't notable by Wtaly, Ottawa]], as above. The area is more notable than the road. - Hahnchen 02:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Earl Andrew. - SimonP 02:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as per Earl Andrew and expand. – AxSkov (☏) 05:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Little Italy, Ottawa. Stub on the street, nothing on the area? It would make sense to me in terms of the encyclopedia being useful to others now (as opposed to theoretically useful at some point in the future) to have a combined article on the street and the area, since so littleP standards, as far as I can tell. Barno 00:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Move to Little Italy, Ottawa. Ok, this article is just confusing. Is it describing a road or a place? The stub, the ext.link, and the last sentence all say it is a place. But the category and the first two sentences say it is a street. Near as I can tell from my three minustes of research, this is simply a street. If it is really just a street that goes through Little Italy then why is it not described in an Ottawa Little Italy article? I will change my vote if someone can explain the significance of the street (ie. historic or cultural) so that it could justify its own article without repeating everything that could go into a more comprehensive Little Italy article. --maclean25 00:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's a street which informally lends its name to the wider neighbourhood centred on it. Which, to me, suggests that the neighbourhood should have an article (but under its more proper name); the street itself shouldn't. Bearcat 01:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • This street is one of Ottawa's more famous streets. There is no reason to delete it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Famous? A street's fame is not defined by being a major street within the city; it's defined by being a street that a person who's never been to the city is still likely to have heard of. Sparks, Sussex and Bank are famous Ottawa streets; there's very little evidence that Preston meets the same criteria. Bearcat 16:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move - [[Little I is currently available. If these get sufficiently large then they can be separated later. Average Earthman 08:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move per Mendel. -- Last Malthusian 11:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it's relevant because it goes through Little Italy, Ottawa, then there should really be an article at Little Italy, Ottawa before this article. And if the street is only notable because it goes through Little Italy, Ottawa, then it should be moved to Little Italy, Ottawa. One more time - Little Italy, Ottawa. Proto t c 12:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As an ex-Ottawan, my memory is that the area was more commonly known as "Preston Street", and only rarely as "Little Italy". Perhaps current Ottawans could provide commentary on that. If that is still the case, it makes more sense for the article to be called what Ottawans call the area, rather than imposing a name that other cities use. Ground Zero | t 13:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I'm a recent Ottawan, I've only been here for five years, and to me, Little Italy's business district is Preston Street, like the Glebe's is Bank and Westboro's is Richmond, but Preston St isn't equivalent to Little Italy. Take St Anthony's, for instance, on Gladstone -- it's part of Little Italy, sure, but part of Preston Street? Even the Preston St. Business Improvement Asssociation calls the area Little Italy. There's so much more to be said about the area than the street anyhow, from the first Italian immigration to Ottawa until the present. You go to a restaurant on Preston, but you live in Little Italy. (The city seems to call the BIA "Preston Street" and the neighbourhood either "Corso Italia" or "Little Italy".) Of course, Little Italy, Ottawa would contain a substantial section on Preston Street, so Preston Street could redirect there. — mendel ☎ 15:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Woodroffe Avenue

Another non notable Ottawa Road Delete --Aranda56 23:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Extremely important Ottawa road. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Delete nominator. 00:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, oh where to begin? (a) Wikipedia is not a indiscriminate collection of information. Listing the speed limit on an unidentified part of the road and another speed limit elsewhere, and so on, is an indiscriminate collection of information. (b) The article is a description of a map feature. This does not make for readable or understandable prose. Why create so many substandard articles? A picture of a map would describe it so much better. (c) It is not expandable. This roadcruft only serves fragment a relevent description/discussion of transportation. This kind of material should be placed in an article like, Traffic pattern in Ottawa or Road transportation in Ottawa (or whatever community it is in) or what-have-you. (d) It is not notable. Why glorify a piece of infrastructure? It is just a piece of asphalt on the ground. It contributes to notable things, like a transportation network, but is not notable itself (unless I'm missing something and it is somehow culturally or historically significant). --maclean25 00:42, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Important for getting from northwest Ottawa to southwest Ottawa but nothing more; nonencyclopedic. — mendel ☎ 00:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete; WP:NOT a map. ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (Contributions) 01:34, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • You guys are forgetting Woodroffe is a MAJOR Ottawa Street, one of the busiest. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • So? ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (Contributions) 02:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • But why is the road so busy? This is not the busiest road in Ottawa because of some unique feature it has. It is the busiest road because of how the road network is designed. I think you touched on a major flaw in these road articles. A discussion on why and how it became such a busy road would create an interesting and useful article. Instead, Wikipedia editors have chosen to create thousands of short articles on very narrow and very generic topics. How is this road (I mean the actual road itself, aside from its name and geographic place) any different from the other million paved roads on this planet? The road is not busy because of anything it did, it just sat there and traffic happened to it. --maclean25 03:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, perfectly verifiable and of interest to readers. - SimonP 02:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Spinboy et al. Kappa 05:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seriously, is this just a stretch of tarmac with lots of cars driving up and down it, or is there anything else to be said about this street? If the best we can come up with is speed limits and number of lanes then delete. Average Earthman 08:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, just another stretch of tarmac. Mention of speed limits and number of lanes is not encyclopedic and only verifiable by original research. If it has to be kept write an article on Ottawa infrastructure. - Mgm|(talk) 09:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The 'unusual features' paragraph makes me drop my monocle in disbelief. I could write a similar article on at least three roads I travel through on my way to work, including their 'unusual features' and discuss the possibility that some of Southampton's roads were designed when an exercise by special needs pupils was mistaken for a road planning document. It wouldn't make them any less non-notable, though. -- Last Malthusian 12:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per User:maclean25. Pilatus 15:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I've explained on recent Toronto street debates, I've always been of the opinion that city streets should only have articles if they have demonstrable historic or cultural significance far beyond their mere existence. Being a busy street doesn't cut it; being a yellow line in the MapArt city atlas doesn't cut it. By my reasoning, Ottawa streets that legitimately deserve articles would include Bank, Laurier, Sparks, Sussex and Wellington. But if going into exhaustive detail on a road's speed limit and how many lanes it has is the only way you can expand a road's article beyond two sentences, then you're dealing with a road that doesn't belong here. In a nutshell, my bottom line criterion for a road article is is this a street that a person who's never been to this city and isn't a map junkie might still conceivably have heard of? For Bank, Sparks or Sussex, the answer to that question is obviously yes, but for Woodroffe, it's no. I have to go with the delete on this one. And it's not Ottawa-bashing, either, because I want the majority of the Toronto street articles sh*tcanned too. Bearcat 16:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete NN --TimPope 18:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Oh Dear. So far this week I've seen elementary schools, malls, local courthouses and now streets. This kind of cruft will give us a bad name. Wikipedia is not... WMMartin 21:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: If it were up to me, I'd likely delete the whole category of Ottawa roads and others like it. Separate articles for various, non-notable roads in every city in the world is silly. If there's nothing more important to say about a road other than "it's congested" or "the speed limit is this, and it changes to that," it fully meets the criteria of being non-notable. If there's a real story behind a road, something that separates it from millions of other similar roads, fine, it's notable, but a recitation of speed limits and number of lanes is just pedantic trivia. What's next, separate pages for important bus routes in Edmonton or, maybe, articles for each of the busiest sidewalks in Milwaukee? — Cory Maylett 22:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non notable G Clark 22:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for similar reasons to recently deleted Toronto roads. Mindmatrix 22:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable, waste of resource, sub-trivial. Pete.Hurd 04:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, nn street. User:Zoe|(talk) 05:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: You guys keep saying it's non notable, but how can you say that without knowledge of the city in question? Woodroffe is the main street in Nepean! Wikipedia seems to have articles on every single highway out there, so why can't there be an article on Woodroffe, which is more of a major road than most rural rinky-dink highways that have pages? -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:45, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Some more comments: I'd also like to say that there are a lot of links to the Woodroffe Article from other pages, and that means there is deffinately a need for the page, and shows that it is certainly a notable road. Plus, I remember we put some Ottawa roads on VfD maybe a year ago, and they were kept. Why the change of heart? We got the go ahead to make articles on Ottawa's major streets, and now there is a turn against it? It's not very fair to the people who make these articles . -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Main street through town" does not equal "historic significance". "There are notable things on this street" does not equal "cultural significance". Does the street lend its name via metonymy to an entire industry (eg. Bay Street, Wall Street, Broadway?) Is it listed in the Guinness Book of Records for something? Is it so famous that a person who's never even seen a map of the city in their lives might still conceivably have heard of it? Is it closely linked to a major historical event or political controversy? Does it have some unique feature like Syracuse's upside-down traffic light or Lombard Street's switchbacks? Is it on a Monopoly board? (And yes, Canadian Monopoly counts.) Is it the primary ceremonial boulevard (eg. Sussex Drive, Pennsylvania Avenue) in the nation's capital? Have TV shows been named after it? Those are the kinds of questions that define "encyclopedic", not how many lanes it has downtown vs. how many it has in Barrhaven. Bearcat 17:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per SimonP. Sort of. Non-notability is not a valid grounds for deletion. It would be even curiouser indeed if notability were ever a grounds for deletion. Ground Zero | t 13:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per SimonP. Sam Vimes 17:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest creating an article Major Roads in Ottawa, Ontario. Merge with that proposed article, and, at such a time when the information on any individual road is sufficient, create an article devoted to the street. Some roads may never get there, while others will demonstrate their encyclopedic nature through a natural wiki process of expansion. Jkelly 19:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • While I'm opposed to deleting this article, I think this idea has merit that is worth exploring. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 20:00, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I would much rather see an annotated version of List of Ottawa, Ontario roads, than a hundred separate stubs on each road. However, this particular article isn't all that short and in my view can stand on its own. - SimonP 20:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree. As I keep saying, Woodroffe is a major road in the city. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • And as several others among us keep saying, being a major road within one city is not a criterion that warrants an encyclopedia article. If you want Woodroffe to be kept, give us good reasons why a person who's never even visited Ottawa in their life might still need to know something about Woodroffe. We're not failing to take Woodroffe's major road status into account; you're failing to take into account that some of us legitimately think being a major city arterial isn't enough. Bearcat 22:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
            • That's just the point. There is no reason to delete material, even if it is only of interest to people in Ottawa. Qubit Field Theory is only of interest to those who are experts in quantum mechanics, a much smaller group than the population of Ottawa, but we keep all articles like it. - SimonP 22:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
              • That's not an answer to my comment. The number of people directly impacted by a topic is not what defines whether it's encyclopedic or not. Bearcat 22:48, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                • We have tons of useless articles on pokemon characters or Star Trek episodes that are more useless than this article on a road. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 22:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Exactly. We don't care if people from outside Ottawa have no interest in the article, just as we don't care that non-physicists have no interest in Qubit Field Theory, that non-biologists have no interest in Leucosoleniida, or that non-Star Trek fans have no interest in Corat Damar. - SimonP 22:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                    • We do, however, care that to all available evidence there's nothing more important to say about this road than how many lanes it has or what its speed limit is. These are not encyclopedic details. Bearcat 23:01, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                      • Articles on pokemon are certainly not encyclopedic nor worthy for inclusion on Wikipedia. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                        • I agree entirely. However, "that topic is just as out of place here as this one is" isn't a valid reason for inclusion. Come on, guys. You have yet to even attempt to challenge my belief that being a major city arterial doesn't automatically make a street encyclopedia-worthy; you're resorting entirely to distracting tactics that don't address my statement. All I'm asking for is a direct answer (without appealing to the Pokémon argument) as to why a run-of-the-mill city arterial should be important enough to merit an article that tells me nothing more than its speed limit and number of lanes, given that we're already turfing a bunch of Toronto streets of at least equivalent importance to Woodroffe. Bearcat 00:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                        • Bearcat, what is your opinion on individual highway articles? Woodroffe is busier than most provincial highways. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                          • So are Warden and Broadview, and I voted to can those. I've already gone into some detail earlier in this discussion on what I consider to be some of the key guidelines for determining the encyclopedia relevance of a city street; provincial or state highways are a very different issue, because they're a different thing serving a different purpose, maintained by a higher level of government, marked on larger-scale maps, much smaller in number, much more clearly linked to historical and encyclopedic contexts, etc. Traffic counts are not the determining factor; even a completely unimportant minor street in a major city is probably going to have a traffic count higher than Highway 101. All you've done so far in response to my concerns is to continually repeat that Woodroffe is a major arterial, as if I didn't know that (I lived in Ottawa for six years, for heaven's sake). What I still haven't seen is one good reason why that fact should be important enough to merit an encyclopedia article, one good reason why I should abandon my current criteria for including vs. deleting city streets. Bearcat 00:00, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
                        • Please remember the context in which these articles are presented. Roads are not Pokémon characters; each Pokémon exists independently of the other and there are actual differences between them (not that I know anything about Pokémon) while all roads are basically identical and exist as a system (network). Why would people in Ottawa want to see an article about this street (I say that while ducking and assuming the article conforms to policies banning business directories, travel guide, indiscriminate collections of info). What can you say about a road that conforms to these policies, is on-topic and will not be repeated a hundred thousand times in other articles. An Ottawan would be better served with an article on the community's road network as a whole. --maclean25 01:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep roadcruft. --SPUI (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it's verifiable and wiki isn't paper. It doesn't come under any point at What Wikipedia is not. ··gracefool |☺ 18:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Information like this is not encyclopedic, it is of no use to anyone. If for some reason someone wanted to know which streets intersect Woodroffe Ave., or when it changes directions, they would consult a map. There are many excellent internet maps available, Wikipedia is not one. -- Corvus 05:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 16:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Asha Gawli

Being the wife of a politian does not make herself notable and it had been a stub since Jan so I think it wont expand either Delete --Aranda56 00:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. I expanded it. My sources are listed on the article's talk page. Chick Bowen 01:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being the wife of a provincial legislator wouldn't be important enough for a WP article, but I Googled and found this link which indicates coverage of her being arrested on a murder charge. Someone more knowledgeable than I should let us know verifiably whether this got major-media coverage there. (It could just be a smear that a political foe once planted on some little news website, for all I know.) I see Chick B added a sentence but no link on this point to the stub, while I was researching this too. Help please. Barno 01:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • She wasn't actually arrested--a complaint was registered. Your link above, Barno, was one of my sources; the other is listed on the article's talk page. There are other similar items. The only thing I figured out from my googling was that her husband is a former gangster and she's been suspected—but never convicted—of being involved. That doesn't make her all that notable, but notable enough for a stub, I think. If she gets busted for something real we can expand the stub. Chick Bowen 01:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks, CB. Based on that, I'm not sure about her facts' importance/verifiability being enough to merit a real bio article, and we're encouraged to make stubs into either real articles or merged sections of a parent article. But I'm on the fence whether this can or should be expanded, so no vote. Barno 01:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, just for the hell of it I looked her up on Lexis/Nexis. She hasn't been in trouble since 2004, but I added some more info and some sources I found there (can't link because it's a subscription service). Chick Bowen 01:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In my view, this is capable of being extended. There are verifiable records of her arrest last year see [7]. Capitalistroadster 01:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep :
  1. Being the wife of a politian does not make herself notable but she is a leader herself. It's all written on the page.
  2. it had been a stub since Jan so I think it wont expand either: Is the strangest piece of reasoning I have heard. We may have to delete a substantial chunk of wikipedia if all stubs which are unchanged from January 2005 are removed.
  3. Just because a page has not changed since January 2005 does not mean it will not expand in the future. Manik Raina 05:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

University of Ottawa Pride Centre

Non-notable student service at the University of Ottawa. Delete. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:16, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Red Number 40

Nothing on allmusic.com, about 1000 Google hits, which isn't all that many. If the article can convincingly establish notability and verifiability, then the nom. will be withdrawn, otherwise delete as NN. Paul 07:01, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from 9th Sept: needs more participation. -Splashtalk 00:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. Cease upon the Wikipedia. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cease Upon the Capital

Doesn't seem to meet criteria at WP:MUSIC. RADICALBENDER★ 16:59, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Relisting from 9th Sept: needs more participation. -Splashtalk 00:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:25, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sordid City Blues

webcomic vanity. Doesn't pass WP:COMIC; alexa rank 700,000+. — brighterorange (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from 9th Sept: needs more participation. -Splashtalk 00:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rosener

Delete, what is this supposed to be? Its not a name found in Malta in any case. Maltesedog 19:48, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from 9th Sept: needs more participation. -Splashtalk 00:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was redirect to Floating rate note · Katefan0(scribble) 18:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Floating-rate bond

Reason why the page should be deleted DocendoDiscimus 20:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In June '05 there was already a discussion on this. It survived, tentatively, but... There is no such concept as a 'Floating-rate bond' in the bond markets. Yes, there are bonds that have floating rate coupons, but these are universally known as Floating Rate Notes (I know, just one of those quirks of a the markets). As you'll see there's quite a substantial entry there. My suggestion would be to just have this entry redirect to the FRN entry.

Relisting from 9th Sept: needs more participation. -Splashtalk 00:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was redirect · Katefan0(scribble) 18:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Evil doers

I believe this article is not encyclopedic, not helpful, and politically motivated. Ashenai 00:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article may link it to Bush, but it remains just a word which he didn't invent. - Mgm|(talk) 09:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Schomburg

Elaborately puffed vanity bio of a horror writer with two books (from vanity press Authorhouse, ranked #2,655,846 and "none" at Amazon). Gets 468 Google hits -- the top one being this article. Delete. Calton | Talk 00:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep · Katefan0(scribble) 18:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of years in computer games

This article is eclipsed by articles such as 2003 in video gaming and similar. Pagrashtak 00:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chris P. Boucher

Author, who wrote the page himself, has only one book published, and that by a vanity press. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 00:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 16:18, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Westcor

Looks Promotional I want this article to go to VFD to make sure. Weak Delete for now but willing to change vote --Aranda56 01:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A bit gushing, but it seems to be a notable company. - SimonP 02:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 18:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Command & Conquer: Red Alert Series Story

Original research. Most details are completly made up and are assumtions by fans. It never appears in the game or in published information by the game creator. Jareand 01:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

also inherently unverifiable. --Icelight 05:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Fan fiction. Without prejudice though, so if an entirely new article that isn't based on filling in gaps to create a complete story, but rather chronologues the events as they happen in game, is written it can take this article's place. --Icelight 05:51, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uppercut (band)

Does not assert notability, fails WP:MUSIC. --Blackcap | talk 02:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kishore Prakash

Non-notable, likely vanity; 82 Google results. Note:When voting or reviewing the page, please take a look at SLYNUX; it was created by the same IP address and I felt this was borderline deletion-worthy but only stubbed it, so I leave it to you to decide whether it should be placed on afd. (Yes, you.) Paul 03:07, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Holy bibble

Article about a non-notable web comic that was started June 24, 2005-- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 03:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep · Katefan0(scribble) 21:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sophia Michahelles

Good Article but it is a nn puppetier Delete sry Keep with expansion Before it just showed she was only a puppetier in some festival but now it was expanded --Aranda56 03:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from author: Thanks for the compliment "Good Article." I do have additional material I will add which will perhaps better establish her place in the community of her peers... I'm curious: What does a puppeteer have to do to be notable? Do give me a day or two, okay? Kind regards.  :-) paul klenk 03:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment: Have added her off-Broadway work; her association with the (Jim) Henson Festival; her work commissioned by the Sci-Fi channel; her credits as an instructor in her field; and more about her work in Italy. Photo GFDL license requests are pending from the National Geographic Society, which has featured her work. Will contact nominator Aranda56 to see if this merits removal from the deletion log. My apologies for not getting more of this material in earlier -- and "thanks" to my fellow editor for pushing me to get off my butt and get some real work done!!!! paul klenk
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:35, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Psycophant

Non-notable neologism-- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 04:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Azlind

Tagged for speedy, not a candidate. Abstain. -Splashtalk 04:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:37, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Plutolaan

Tagged for speedy as "google search turns up no hits in English, no pages link to this page and this page appears to be non-sense". Google hits would suggest something by this name is real, so perhaps it is a place. I nearly deleted this because it's just such an awful mess, and any future article could not possibly start here. Abstain. -Splashtalk 04:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP Paul August ☎ 00:10, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ted David

Article reads like Ted's résumé combined with an advertisement. If someone can fix it then keep it, otherwise, delete. IceKarmaॐ 04:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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I am unclear what would be a copyright violation about me posting something here that was written by ME and appears on MY OWN website and that I have in essence licensed to NBC. td

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rape shower

Tagged as "patent nonsense", but doesn't fit the definition we have. Abstain. -Splashtalk 04:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move to wikionary, seems like a real expression from the google hits. Kappa 05:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Transwiki. It seems like a dictdef, but it is definitely not encyclopaedic. – AxSkov (☏) 06:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Transwiki and delete. WP:NOT a dictionary, phrasebook, or slang reference. --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 07:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this nonsense. I oppose transwiki, or any use of this. Not every two word combination is worthy of an article in wiktionary. 255 unique hits for the exact term in google doesn't make something a real term. I suspect any combination of the word "rape" with another common word, will bring up plenty of similiar "hits" in Google. The word "rape" is (sadly) one of the many words some porno sites "stuff" in their keywords, to get hits. There are 255 web sites hoping to get customers looking for this, but that doesn't mean it's a real term (or expression). Without even opening the sites (which I'm not about to do), you can see from the Google snippets, that there are random words packed in for SEO reasons, which don't even form sentences. A term must be used regularly in proper sentences before it can even rise to the level of a "dicdef". --rob 10:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without transwiking. I don't see any evidence that this phrase is actually used by anyone, and some coincidental hits on Google fail to demonstrate any use or notability. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without transwiki; the hits from a google search do not provide evidence that this phrase is in significant use and/or notable for the reasons given above. Sliggy 12:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: try googling "a rape shower". Kappa 12:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did just now, and I see between a dozen and two dozen uses of the term non-randomly in context. That really amounts to very little. Also, we don't include ever properly used adjective/noun pair, so why would we we have a rarely used slang term (which uses a verb as an adjective). Is there a hot shower, fast shower, slow shower, quick shower, bad shower, good shower, etc... Now a few like "cold shower", might have such massive/widespread usage, that they're included as special cases. But, that takes an extra degree of usage. I assert such a term requires *more* than what would be required if we're talking of a single real word. In fact, a real word, requires no Google hits. Dictionaries are not there to provide every combination of words one might use. It's there to provide a list of words, and definitions, which users may combine themselves. Let's hope the good folks at wiktionary don't send this sucker back as "not a dicdef transwiki to wikipedia ". --rob 13:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: My google got 14 hits after excluding the very similar hits, a porn ad, ambiguous usage (e.g. is sitting in the shower crying the same thing?), and where the term had to be immediately explained on a web chat forum (i.e. it was not generally known). Is that in line with your findings? Sliggy 13:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • It doesn't get many google hits, but it does get some, enough to indicate it might be in active use, so it should be given to wiktionary to let them decide if it meets their criteria or not. Dictionaries need to provide definitions of idioms, where a two-word combination does not mean the sum of its parts. The meaning of "rape shower" is non-obvious, unlike "quick shower" etc. Kappa 13:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Are you saying to simply make a mention of the term to people in wiktionary, or are you talking about going ahead and actually creating a dicdef entry in wiktionary. An actual dicdef should only be made *after* the term is verified. It's wrong to create something, with the intent of sparking a discussion on it. So, maybe, I'm not clear on what you propose. --rob 14:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a notable term. Ashenai 12:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Non-notable term. Delete, do not transwiki. - Mike Rosoft 13:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no transwiki, per Thivierr. Barno 15:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without moving to Wiktionary. NatusRoma 18:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Molotov (talk) 18:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If it is used as the article suggests, I vote to delete it from english usage too. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 20:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete without transwiki.Vizjim 22:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This term's time has not yet come to be in an encyclpedia. DannyZz 23:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Dicdef and possibly neologism. --MacRusgail 17:39, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per MacRusgail. Shauri 20:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greatestsale.com

Delete More advertising (WP:NOT) -- (☺drini♫|☎) 05:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Retail website. -- unsigned comment from 67.184.59.161

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The result of the debate was Speedied. android79 15:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Fraser Zaleznik

Tedious NN vanity The curate's egg 06:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus -- but because the split was between deleting outright and merging, I will make a redirect. Anybody feeling there is content in the article as it stands that should be merged, go for it. · Katefan0(scribble) 22:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Warp Songs

Article is unencyclopedic as well as poorly written. Title is neither an official term nor a common fan term. Content is redundant because of listings in the Legend of Zelda series songs page. I had originally moved this page and changed the content into a redirect upon creation of that one, but the sole author replaced the text at this name and put links to it in the other page. WikidSmaht (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP: merge and redirect. Paul August ☎ 00:28, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Song of Time

Article is unencyclopedic as well as poorly written, refers to a small part of a couple of video games, and content is redundant because of listing in the Legend of Zelda series songs page. I had originally changed this page into a redirect upon creation of that one, but the sole author reverted it and put a link to it in the other page. WikidSmaht (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP: merge and redirect. Paul August ☎ 00:38, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Epona's Song

Article is unencyclopedic as well as poorly written, refers to a small part of a couple of video games, and content is redundant because of listing in the Legend of Zelda series songs page. I had originally changed this page into a redirect upon creation of that one, but the sole author reverted it and put a link to it in the other page. WikidSmaht (talk) 06:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedied. android79 15:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

H. Gardner Rowley II

NN - This is not an article for an encylopaedia and seems to be a rant about misinformation on someone else's website. The curate's egg 07:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep · Katefan0(scribble) 21:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Murray

Subject not important enough to keep Steve Casburn 07:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Based on the comments below, I will remove the AfD tag I proposed, and clean up the article. Thanks for the productive disagreement! Steve Casburn 04:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up the article, but have not removed the AfD tag because I'm not sure that should be done before the process has finished. Steve Casburn 05:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, his book came out in 1978 and has been republished, and the amazon reviews make it sound pretty notable. [8]. Kappa 07:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and cleanup - Looks like the novel was popular enough to have a movie based on it [9]. Book has 21 customer reviews on Amazon.com and a sales ranking of #38,061 on Amazon.com yesterday and a ranking of #11,411 on Amazon.co.uk --Camw 07:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep author of a book that's been published through a legitimate press. Seems a pretty important book, too, as these things go (per Camw). --fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 07:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per WP:BIO as author with sales of 5,000 or more in addition to the movie being made about his book. There is also a Hong Kong businessman of the same name who is group managing director of Hutchinson Whampoa according to Maquis Who's Who and the businessman is probably notable enough for an article as well. Capitalistroadster 08:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep published author of a non-vanity-press book. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 10:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per WP:BIO this author is notable enough for inclusion. Hall Monitor 19:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep because Murray is a notable figure, having hosted documentaries about the Legion as written a book. Many British legionaries joined following his writings. GABaker 20:38 22 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep he may not be the most famous author out there but he's more than just an author. Having said that, his book did well in 1978 and in a recent reprint, plus he was second in command at Jardine Matheson (one of the largest Hong Kong trading firms), and, though it's not mentioned in the article, in December/January 2003/04 he became the oldest man to walk unaided to the South Pole with Pen Hadow. He was also awarded the CBE. (There's a lot of people listed in Wikipedia who are less important than he).
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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 21:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Old Man Fashioning a Kayak Out of a Log

A very minor character in Wayne's World 2 doesn't deserve a mention in an encyclopedia. ZJP 07:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: Userfied (moved to User:Admorphit) per creator's request. - Mike Rosoft 14:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AD-MorphIT

nn-bio (vanity by author) for an online alias. Asserts "works" and "portfolio", so technically not speediable, benefit of the doubt. MCB 07:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Please clarify. What is nn-bio and what do you mean when you say technically not speediable? Admorphit 20 September 2005

  • nn-bio vanity means biographical article written by the subject him/herself (against the guidelines of Wikipedia), who is not notable enough for an encyclopedia article. The article is technically not speediable in that it narrowly fails to qualify for speedy deletion according to Wikipedia's speedy deletion criteria. It is, however, a perfect candidate for this page, where it is likely than many people will vote eitherdelete or userfy (i.e., moving the article to a subpage of the writer's user page). My vote is userfy - this looks like material for your user page, not for article space. Grutness...wha? 08:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The user is presumably monitoring this discussion, and can create his/her own user page if so desired. CLW 08:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Welcome to Wikipedia, Admorphit. You are welcome to post stuff on your userpage. However, as far as we can tell, this information is not of sufficient general interest to warrant an encyclopedia article. Userfy is the best option but if user Admorphit doesn't want it on his user page delete. Capitalistroadster 10:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]



This is my first day using Wikipedia, so all this is very new to me. Sorry for any misunderstanding I may have caused the community due to my actions. My initial assumption was that pages could be created under the encyclopedia under any topic at all, but didn't even know about the user space until recently. Now that I know about it, I'd rather make it a user space too. How do I go about doing this? Do I leave it to the admins or must I do something on my behalf? Thanks for the support, much appreciated. Admorphit

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Sorry, but all the comments are divergent. Any editor can still carry out their preference, of course. -Splashtalk 00:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

UTF-9 and UTF-18

No reason to confuse our readers with first of april jokes. See April 1st RFC. Delete, no redirect. --Pjacobi 08:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to April 1st RFC to stop it being recreated. sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment whilst these are unlikely to gain wide use they are perfectly workable transformation formats for such systems. Plugwash 15:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm the creator of this article. I saw that the RFC was created on an April 1, but it wasn't clear to me that it was one of the April 1st RFCs released for humorous purposes. It seems to be a legitimate Unicode encoding for nontet-based systems. If I'm wrong, then I agree that it can be redirected to April 1st RFC, but otherwise, there's no harm in keeping it as-is. —Psychonaut 15:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • It doesn't contain the care that the other UTFs do, supporting only the 4 planes that are currently in use (as is done in UTF-18) seems like something that no serious unicode implementer would ever accept and could have easilly been worked arround by allowing UTF-16 surrogates for those ranges. UTF-9 isn't exactly well designed either as it does not allow simple searching to be used safely.
      Sure this isn't as outlandish as mplamps but i still don't think its serious.
      P.S. are entries covering multiple pages allowed on AFD or do we have to keep writing in duplicate? Plugwash 16:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • If it makes sense to discuss two or more articles together, then by all means list them together - if discussion of the two articles diverges, it's easier to split the discussion than it is to merge it. (Having said that, this should serve as a cautionary tale...) sjorford #£@%&$?! 13:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok i've merged the discussions (which up until now were duplicates anyway).
  • Merge UTF-9 and UTF-16 into a single article describing the encoding methods and pointing out thier flaws. Plugwash 14:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE--Doc (?) 23:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Innis.

There is another page about him: Harold Innis, which already includes all the information that is in the Harold Innis. page. JoanneB 08:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE--Doc (?) 23:14, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

-chezia

Suffix dictdef without encyclopedic potential. Should be transwikied before deletion, unless someone can say for sure that it's incorrect. It's hard to find attestations for word fragments, so I can't confirm it myself. —Cryptic (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP--Doc (?) 23:19, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SLYNUX

Advertising (and poorly-written advertising at that...) - Delete. CLW 10:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep Seems to be a valid linux distro, garners 136,000 (ok, 134 actual) google hits. Just needs some serious cleaning. Anetode 10:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There are only 134 uniques in Google. The "136,000" number means nothing (even though Google does show it). --rob 11:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, technically it means that somewhere out there are about 135866 pages that replicate those 134, which means something in and of itself. Not arguing about its notability, though, just the 'Google not showing nothing' thing. :) Anetode 11:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, you're sort-of right, and sort-of wrong. The real problem, is some web servers have an infinite namespace. Meaning, that every time Google requests a path from a domain, it gets a "valid" response, and content is returned (but it's the same page, over and over). There's no duplication whatsoever on the original web site, but Google "counts" each and every url, which produces the same result. Depending on how a site makes it's links this can produce absurd hit counts. It's like a teacher taking attendance, and every time the teacher calls a name, the same kid yells "present", no matter what name is called. As well, Google will even count urls it never even *attempted* to fetch, simply because there was a link to them, and the linking text had the magical keyword. These snippet-free url's literally don't exist, but do get counted. In fact, here's what's funny, domains with non-existent/invalid TLDs get counted (probably not in this case) --rob 12:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • Once again, Google never displays more than 1000 results, and the 134 unique ones are sorted out of the 1000. For example, a search for sjgames (Steve Jackson Games) finds 134 unique hits (of 450.000), and a search for mistress finds 885 (out of 11.200.000). If you don't believe me, find me a keyword which receives more than 1000 unique hits. - Mike Rosoft 06:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually, your twisting things. The first thousand, contains URLs from the same web sites, as those past the first thousand. The sites near the end tend to be the non-unique ones (redundant with earlier one). So, if the hit count is well below one thousand, it's likely those past the 1000-point were just redundant; and your distinction is a meaningless point, not to be worried about. Now, if it gets close to the 1000-mark (say 900+), then sure, there could well be more than a 1000 real hits. Also, you ignore, that Google counts as hits, URLs that are invalid, and that it never even *tried* to fetch. The snippet-free listings, tend to be at the end, and would presumabley be in the post-1000 group. Anything past the last verified, unique hit in Google's results, is pure speculation. No approach will find all web pages, since Google doesn't even get all web pages. The purpose of a Google test is to get a *verified* count. The fact the actual count could be higher, is always true, and pointless to mention. I've seen a case, where over 1,000,000 hits came from a *single* domain, which shows how worthless the non-unique hit count is. --rob 06:49, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per comment by Rob. Usrnme h8er 11:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I didn't nominate it because I wasn't sure if linux distros automatically warranted an article, but that not being the case, ditch it...I got 126 "real" google results (makes it much easier when you go 100 results per page)...the 100,000+ result is just repetition it seems Paul 13:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just counting search result totals is not enough. It is important to read the pages that the search finds. Moreover, whilst Linux distributions do not automatically warrant an article, the WP:CORP guidelines for commercial products can be reasonably employed to determine whether a distribution meets the notability criteria as if it were a commercial product. Furthermore, the notability litmus test for software that I outlined in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ExamDiff (second nomination) is whether people, independent of the author, have written non-trivial works of their own that focus upon the software in question.

    Actually reading the pages that the search finds, I find independently written news coverage of this distribution in three separate news publications, including one of India's national newspapers. This satisfies both the WP:CORP criteria for a product and the software notability criterion that I outlined. Keep. Uncle G 18:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

    • Yes, obviously, one has to do more than count results. Of the stories linked to, just 2 are English. Both of these are "independent" but, in reading them, it's fairly clear no analysis was done, and the author merely reported what they were told on technical matters. So, these articles were trivial. Given that the size of the enterprise isn't what garners notability, I think what we need to find, is if this distro is a substiantially different and unique product. If SLYNUX is one of group, of barely differnt distros, it's not worthy of a topic. If it's Windows-like interface is special, and noted, that may make it unique (though it's hardly the first to make such a claim). The issue with GNU license is, is one can take another's GNU Linux distro, make small changes, and call it your own. Not all of these warrant articles, since not all are truly unique entitities. So, I'm still on the fence. --rob 18:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • To counter the bogus argument from unique Google hits, weak keep. - Mike Rosoft 06:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Obviously, the original hit count in Google was wildly silly and absurd. But, I'm going to make my decision based on something different from that, and different from the technical signifance of the product (which isn't supported). I think there's a human interest story, which was covered, and is probably notable, at least in India. If the same thing was made by a 30-year old from Silicon Valley, it probably wouldn't be worth mentioning. Also, I think as articles related to this are created and put up on AFD, they can quickly be re-directed to this one point (e.g. Kishore Prakash (AFD), MarileSoft (speedied), and Sarath Lakshman (no attempt yet)). --rob 07:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, it's verifiable and wiki isn't paper. It doesn't come under any point at What Wikipedia is not. ··gracefool |☺ 18:32, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:21, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Australian Interest

nn website with no aleca rating - is this of interest even in Australia? --Doc (?) 10:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was extreme lesbian DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:22, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

W00w00

Either rewrite to actually be an article, instead of a collection of nonsense and templates, or delete. Tom- 11:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CentralanUK

Not notable gaming event, 50 players. feydey 11:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, advertisement. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 11:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per A Man In Black. CLW 11:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm Murray-Mint, Network Administrator at CLUK. Just to add my point of view. The article was added to Wikipedia by some of our attendees as a nice gesture towards us. Although it is nice to think we have our own Wikipedia entry, in all honesty, it's not needed. Wikipedia is not for advertising and we already have a link on the LAN Party page. Verdict: Delete
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The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 19:01, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Panoxyl

I've tried tagging it as a medical stub (which apparently doesn't work the way I tried). I'm listing this in the hope of getting some clear community opinions about whether this is a overly general dicdef or not, so please don't flame me for it. Abstain. - Mgm|(talk) 11:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete It's just one of many brands, which use the same medicinal ingredient, benzoyl peroxide, which already has an article. So, I don't see anything special. I wouldn't call this a dicdef, but it's just not notable. I wouldn't do a a re-direct, since it's got other ingredients, and isn't literally the same thing; I suppose they can always change what they put in it. --rob 14:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would redirect as the other ingredients are coincidental to this product. The delivery medium can be an aqueous gel, an aqueous alcoholic basis, detergent wash etc., with 2.5-10% benzoyl peroxide, but the active ingredient remains the same and Stiefel's brand name is retained in all cases (which, "correctly" capitalised, is PanOxyl) (source: British National Formulary). Sliggy 15:08, 20 September 2005 (UTC) [reply]
(that's redirect to benzoyl peroxide, just to be explicit) Sliggy 15:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unicist Theory of Evolution

Original research related to Unicist anthropology (AfD). Delete. jni 11:34, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: there's an Ebook, but no published work I could find - --Outlander 19:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Belohlavek

Vanity. His major contributions to society Unicist anthropology and Unicist Theory of Evolution are also on VFD above. Dunc|☺ 12:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedied. android79 15:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sharonie

Some kind of bad sci-fi-ish nonsense (alien from Mars that sexes it up with Venusians). Delete as no original ramblings. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 14:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETED by WP:CP. -Splashtalk 22:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

David B. Thompson

Vanity page; not notable Cholmes75 14:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:28, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Finale X

You'd think a combination of a common word like "Finale" and a single letter with multiple meanings would get enough Google hits to muddle the issue, and indeed it does. But once you add in words like "nova shadow" or "xesh", it's clear that this is nothing. It's utterly non-notable. Purge. DS 14:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Keep Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 23:43, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Magic: The Gathering rules

Wikipedia is not instructive. The level of detail this article goes into is unsuitable for an encyclopedia. The official rules (117 pages) are readily available at the official website. I also have doubts that showing this many cards constitutes fair use. Delete -- Norvy (talk) 14:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. If the article goes into too much detail, it needs to be pared down, not deleted. The official rules are indeed available, but are much, much less helpful to the layman than this article is. I believe this article is perfect for describing how Magic is played; it's not in any way an "instruction manual". The 117 pages you mentioned are an instruction manual. The fair use issue is a legitimate concern, but simply is not valid support for the deletion of the article; only for deletion of some or all of the card images.
(NB: my explanation should not be construed as support for paring down the article or deleting card images; it's just the reason why deleting the article would be unreasonable, IMO. No more, no less.) --Ashenai 14:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If there is sufficient content for an article--separate of the game page itself--is there any reason why we shouldn't? Sorry! just doesn't have enough rules, history, and just plain content to make it worth splitting up into separate articles. Magic does.
To use a different parallel: one or two articles seems to be plenty for Lugbara mythology. You think that based on that, we should condense, say, Christianity into a single article, too? ... clearly, there is just vastly more content on some games (or religions) than others, which translates to more articles. --Ashenai 19:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I can see both sides of the argument, so no vote on this one. The image usage may create a very legitimate fair use issue though.--Isotope23 18:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
MTG rules are convoluted, complicated, and changes to them have been controversial. They have evolved over time and have an interesting history. One cannot really say the same thing for Sorry! or Candyland. A better comparison would be Poker, which has many sub-articles on gameplay. A very nice encyclopedic article can be written about MTG rules, and I think we already have one (that could perhaps use some editing). Concerns about image fair use are not relevant here and should be taken up at WP:PUI if an editor so desires. android79 18:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I just went through the whole thing with a fine-toothed editing comb, and I really do think it's encyclopedic as is. Frankly, I don't quite understand what the problem is. Is Rules of chess also unencyclopedic? (No sarcasm intended, I really want to know.) --Ashenai 11:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The "Wikipedia is not instructive" thing is somewhat overstated. For example, it is right that the Pancakes article, for example, contains what amount to recipes for the food, even though this is - technically - not allowed because of the policy you quote. This page is a valuable resource for many people, and is encyclopaedic, just as the Gin rummy article contains the insturctions for how to play the game. This is just an extension of that. Also, I think your Fair Use comment is not true. I think Fair Use could very reasonably be asserted for all the images. Batmanand 22:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but recommend cleanup to make more concise and encyclopedic. It's a good detailed description of the game. -- MCB 00:52, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, although I can see how edits might be necessary. To be honest, as the person who created this page, I was trying to removal a substantial section of the main article and put it on a separate page. It sort of blew up from there. On the other hand, I think the comparison with Poker is a entirely valid, so it really may not be as much of a problem as it seems. --Khaim 01:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Magic:The Gathering is a major game which very many people play, and so a detailed article on its rules is as valid as articles describing the rules on chess, checkers, go and bridge. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as per everyone else. This article serves as a useful guide to an extremely notable and popular game that is recognised worldwide. Piecraft 17:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Nominator took policy totally out of context. ··gracefool |☺ 18:35, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS, which defaults to KEEP Paul August ☎ 01:01, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greenview Secondary School

Yellow Pages style entry that consists of just one sentence and hasn't improved since its inception two months ago. Pilatus 15:19, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus (thus keep). Tally: 5 delete, 9 keep (including the nominator), of which 2 weak and 1 merge. Jitse Niesen (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Christina Marie Williams

The notability of this person is not established. My heart goes out to her family and her loved ones, but Wikipedia is simply not the place. Ashenai 15:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep - if the reports of media coverage and celebrity appeals are correct, I believe that this confirms notability. However, the tone of the article needs to be addressed (use of adjective "beautiful" in image caption), and the appeal for information/suspect description details need to be removed as these are not appropriate for an encyclopedic entry. CLW 16:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeep National coverage, such as CNN, and others makes the events and her notable. Obviously, the article needs to be changed, though. --rob 16:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There are regrettably many kidnaps in many parts of the world. This is not more notable than most others. DJ Clayworth 16:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not a valid argument for deletion - if all these kidnappings are notable, they all deserve entries. Just because they haven't been created, doesn't mean to say ones that have been created should go. Research these other notable kidnappings and create entries for them if you have objections! CLW 17:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:30, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yay hooray

Patently nn community. Delete.  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 15:37, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:32, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Sportscentre

Doesn't seem to be notable DJ Clayworth 15:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:33, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spangel

Fancruft. Al 15:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted vandalism which deleted the above and which replaced the votes with the following comments - "This page should be saved. Spangel is an idea which is a focus of a large and distinct fan following. Those who would want it deleted and pandering to Homophobia." Grow up. CLW 18:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted vandalism... same message as CLW. I wish this could be Speedied.--Isotope23 20:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted vandalism again...--Isotope23 00:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Spangel is very much a part of the internet reality and it deserves a place here at Wikipedia. Unless Wikipedia discriminates sexual preferences, this should be definitely Bold textKEPTBold text! Ostile17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.181.178 (talk • contribs) 17:25, September 20, 2005
  • Delete, pointless fancruft.Vizjim 22:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the outside chance that the vandalism to the votes was just a clueless voter, here are their comments: "Keep Spangel. Despite what some may think about this undoubtedly slang term within the fandom, many a fan fiction writer has been inspired by said term. This is not some term pulled from the rear (so to speak) of a random fan; Spangel is a part of the Buffy/Angelverse, and should therefore be kept alive on this page." -unsigned by 68.204.220.234
  • Delete as fancruft. I could see it meriting one sentence in the main Angel (TV series) or slash fiction article at most. -- MCB 00:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Spangel- The popularity of 'Spangel' fanfiction and the 'Spangel' relationship in general is in itself a good enough reason to save this term from deletion. Kudos to Wikipedia for providing a succinct yet comprehensive explanation of this very entertaining Buffyverse phenomenon. --Jossophile — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.170.120.2 (talk • contribs) 22:11, September 20, 2005
  • Delete as far as I can tell. This information would be better served on a page such as Angel (TV series), Angel (vampire) or Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer). --Metropolitan90 05:00, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • This page should stay. As others have said there is a very strong "Spangel" community and as with the pages which cover subjects such as Yaoi of r slash you have to have pages that describe specific phenomena and fandoms.
    There is a smell of bigotry in the anger with which some of the people who want the page shut down are reacting and this should not be tollerated, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.133.215 (talk • contribs) 03:46, September 21, 2005
  • Comment: Those who believe this AfD is motivated by homophobia are woefully misguided. I suggest you read WP:ISNOT. This article is simply not encyclopedic. (And, frankly, I'm insulted. I don't know that you'll ever meet a more gay-friendly straight guy than me.) Al 12:40, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete:Agree with the above.Don't think this is encyclopedic either.Nor are the others such as Bangel,Spuffy,Sparmony,Dangel,Cangel,Fresley and the half dozen slang terms created for every conceivable pairing thought of for this or other shows such as Clana and Clex,Chlark,Clois etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.55.126 (talk • contribs) 11:09, September 21, 2005
  • KEEP - Spangel is a legitimate term used to name a specific relationship between two fictional characters within a popular fandom. There are numerous web sites and livejournals dedicated to the fan fiction written exclusively about the intimate relationship between vampires Spike and Angel. This relationship has been referenced by the creator of the characters, Joss Whedon, in both print interviews and "Angel" season 5 DVD commentaries, as well as writers and co-producers of the show. It was made 'cannon' in the episode "Power Play". Anindoorkitty 23:50, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • (User's only edits are this AfD)
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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 21:42, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A. J. Levin

Non-notable poet "A. J. Levin" gets 381 Google hits, not all of which refer to this person; article refers to one poem ("Monks' fruit," which gets about 150 Google hits, not all of which actually refer to the poem; poem was nominated for a marginally-notable award. Possibility of merging relevant info to the article on the award. Paul 16:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-encyclopedic DannyZz 00:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was no consensus (thus keep). Not an easy decision, but the policy says: when in doubt, don't delete. I count 7 delete votes (including the nominator), most of which have short motivation, apparently based on the opinion that no game fansite is encyclopaedic. On the other side, we have 4 keep votes (excluding the anonymous ones but including the rather new user Beerdude26), of which two merge and one perhaps merge. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 22:13, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Halflife2.net

Non-notable forum. --fvw* 16:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Halflife2.net was influential in the development of Half Life 2, one of the most popular games of all time. -Miccy

If you don't like it, don't come here, but the fact is that Halflife2.net was infact a huge gateway to the revealing of critical key information for the game halflife2, and deserves just as much right to be here as other seemingly irrelevant articles. --- Wolfman

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Xingguang Dadao

No evidence of notability. --fvw* 16:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • This article is not yet completed. What kind of evidence do you need ?
  • it has to be American to be notable ??? The three million people who live here have never heard of you either, Tracyt (unsigned comment by 219.129.91.20)
uh, maybe that's why Tracyt doesn't have an entry on Wikipedia. CLW 17:21, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Amish businessman

A poem by a 17 year old. It won first place in a regional competition, but is still borderline notable. Francs2000 16:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:38, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

General Grievous Site

Non-notable, advertisement for small fan site. Keithlaw 16:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was nn-bio strikes nine out of ten. --fvw* 16:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Peter_Christian_Nerheim

Vanity or Hoax. You be the judge. PerlKnitter 16:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedied.  Grue  17:54, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sharonie

Non-encyclopaedic, probably name-vanity. --fvw* 17:10, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I speedied different entry entitled Sharonie earlier today. Can this be speedied too even though the content is different? CLW 17:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • That was my first thought, but this is a different article that happens to have the same name. IMO the content isn't useful, but I don't see an obvious way to speedy it. Nontheless, delete. Friday (talk) 17:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I reckon it can be speedied - I view creating a daft article to replace a speedied article is vandalism; also the article contains no useful information and includes nonsense ("Ja" is not a short form of "Sharonie"). We'll see if that works... CLW 18:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – Rich Farmbrough 18:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Avery

Church vanity. --fvw* 18:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ARTICLE HAS BEEN SPEEDY DELETEDMolotov (talk) 18:36, 20 September 2005 (UTC). [reply]

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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Betty (actress)

I question the notability of the porn actress. the article basically says nothing beyond the fact that she is, in fact a porn actress, and is unreferenced besides. Delete. DES [[User talk:DESiegel|(talk)]] 17:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep nn.
  • Keep as Betty is quite well known by those who know of her, it shouldn't be deleted because some people haven't heard of her before or because she's a porn star, this page should be kept because this is what wikipedia is for, anything and everything is notable, and yes there are websites to back up the original post. so leave it alone or don't look at it if you don't like it.

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – Rich Farmbrough 19:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Carter Duryea

Non-notable. Apparently there was a television character with this name, but it's not the same person. This is a 16 year old in England being hyped by himself, a friend, or an agent. Jdavidb 18:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cascade High School

Advertisement with no encyclopedic value Zvika 18:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not encyclopedic. This is not noteworthy. Nothing important to note here. Not a particulary impressive high school. What next? A list of things for sale at the local 7-11? This is not knowledge. This does not belong here. 203.166.5.68 21:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)Billy[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blood and iron

Possible non-notable vanity. JW1805 18:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:41, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Grievous Forums

nn/vanity/advert for small Star Wars fan site Keithlaw 18:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BridgeTech

plus two redirect pages.

Obviously somebody there is trying to sell them out from Wikipedia. Molotov (talk) 18:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:25, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonhawk Rider

We dont need a whole page on a single Warcraft 3 unit. We were originally going to merge it with Warcraft 3, but we didnt even want to do that, even us fancruft creators didnt want it, that's saying something. :) UnlimitedAccess 18:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Witch Doctor

A fancruft page on a single Warcraft 3 unit. We were originally going to merge it with Warcraft 3, but we didnt even want to do that, even us fancruft creators didnt want it, thats saying something. :) Plus this article space really should be used for something else. UnlimitedAccess 18:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thats not an excuse. Using that logic little would ever be removed from here, and one of the rules is that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Remember we are making a proffesional Encyclopedia so all content must be apropriate for that goal. - UnlimitedAccess 13:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. Not many editors here, but the nominator's statement is significant. -Splashtalk 00:45, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pandaren Brewmaster

A fancruft page on a single Warcraft 3 unit. We already have an article on the Panda race in the Races in the Warcraft universe, but this is about a single unit from the Panda race. We were originally going to merge this article with the Warcraft 3 one, but we decided against it, even us fancruft creators didnt want it, that's saying something :). UnlimitedAccess 18:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:
I would just like to add, that all the content found in this article besides the specifics of that unit is found in the Races in the Warcraft universe article. - UnlimitedAccess 13:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 22:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kabir Ahmed

Looks like a not notable person as actor in a school production. Only page created by User:Fionalargo. feydey 18:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED as nn-bio. I've largely taken your advices here, but agree that asserting someone is a pro wrestler is just asserting that person's profession and is not an assertion of notability (which would hve to be within that profession). -Splashtalk 23:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Copper

Problem:Not in an encyclopedic format, nor did any useful hits on Google. [11] Molotov (talk) 19:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've now tagged it as an nn-bio CLW 19:45, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED per CSD A7 (nn-bio). Even if true, the claim about Cats is so insubstantially presented as not make the grade, and is plainly ridiculous anyway. -Splashtalk 23:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rick Kosick

It was tagged and un-tagged as speedy. I can understand that it might not meet the CSD, but is this kid notable? JoanneB 19:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Xiao Mei

Sounds intriguing, but the article doesn't assert notability. I suspect this has been created as part of an attempt to create a Wikipedia presence for Xingguang Dadao Delete CLW 19:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. We like Xiao Mei. She is very famous and very good singer. She has made CD. She sing in many city and not just Xing guang. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chenjames (talk • contribs) 18:33 EDT, 20 September 2005

Keep. I am Kelly Moon. I am from Yinde. Xiao Mei is even famous there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yingdemoon (talk • contribs) 18:41 EDT, 20 September 2005

  • To the anonymous user and Kelly Moon. We have a guidelines of who is notable enough in music called WP:music. What we would need is evidence of one of the following: at least two albums on a major label or significant independent record label or an album or single that has made a national chart of a major or medium sized country or completion of a national tour such as China or having won a significicant award or having widespread media interest. An artist must meet at least one of these criteria. If you can show that Xiao Mei meets these criteria, I will vote to keep. If not I will vote to delete. Capitalistroadster 23:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment. Is this article about Jaing Mei Qi who is also called Xiao Mei by her fans? -- RHaworth 02:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't know, but it sounds like it's not. The article talks of currently living in mainland China (Guangdong). However, Jaing Mei Qi seems to be Taiwanese[12] and has travelled abroad. It sounds like "Jaing Mei Qi" easily qualifies for inclusion (provided adequate sources are provided). However, its not clear who the subject of this article is about, and if they qualify. Hopefully, those in the know, can provide some relevant links, here and in the article. --rob 06:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED, stating a profession does not make one notable, even if you adjectivalise it. -Splashtalk 23:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben floro

You'd expect an "important artist" to have more than just one hit on Google. And the "malasaňa" makes me think this is largely an attack page, but it does claim notability. DS 19:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Xiao Long

Article doesn't assert notability. I suspect this has been created as part of an attempt to create a Wikipedia presence for Xingguang Dadao Delete CLW 19:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I am Kelly Moon. I am from Yingde. I am learning English and use internet. Xiaio Long is very good and he is well known in Yingde as well as Shaoguan and other places. He has been to Shenzhen. You should not say, he is nobody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yingdemoon (talk • contribs) 18:46, 20 September 2005
    • I didn't say he was nobody. We have a standard on who is notable enough in the music world for an article. See WP:MUSIC for the most commonly accepted list of criteria (minimum standards for an article). If this person meets any of these standards, please let us know, and provide a source. Thank you. DES (talk) 23:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kelly,

Welcome to Wikipedia. As DES said, we need evidence according to WP:Music that he meets at least one of the criteria there. These include having a song or album make a national chart, having completed a national tour, having recorded at least a couple of albums for a major record label, having won a major award or been a member of a significant group. If you or someone can change the article showing that he has achieved any of these things preferably with some proof, I would vote to keep. At the moment, I would vote to delete. Capitalistroadster 00:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:44, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Psoffligger psychos

Non notable band. They're not signed, and Google doesn't give any result on them. Vanity, me thinks... --SoothingR 19:31, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:45, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The 100 Greatest TV Characters

Totally incomplete, misleading title inviting POV disputes. Just one edit in Dec 2004. — brighterorange (talk) 19:41, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • After all these months, no-one is likely to complete this. Bin it - CLW 19:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this and the missing ninety percent of the article, same reasons as "Top 10 Symphonies" a couple of days ago. At least this one identifies a source, although it's not an authoritative one, just a Bravo TV series whose selection criterion isn't stated but seems to be "a producer thought these were his favorites". Not encyclopedic, not complete nor being completed, WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. Barno 20:22, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete POV. ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (Contributions) 21:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless someone volunteers very, very quickly to rescue this hopelessly POV and incomplete article. Batmanand 22:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete POV and always will be. DannyZz 00:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very weak keep but only if the article is written about the TV special on this subject. The article appears to be scrambled at the moment so I have no idea if it's saveable, but it is not POV to chronicle a TV special - provided it is clearly identified as being a TV special and not a user's personal list. 23skidoo 04:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, whether it's linked to a TV series or not: if so, because Wikipedia is not a promtonal vehicle; if not, because it's inherently POV. --Calton | Talk 04:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete POV has no place in an encyclepedia
  • Delete. Although I don't see this as POV (it's about a TV programme), and although I don't see it as using Wikipedia as a promotional vehicle (too badly written for that), I think it should be deleted as it's just not notable. I suspect that original creator of the article happened to be watching the programme at the same time - these sorts of programme always count up from 100 or 50 or whatever - and then he/she just got bored. --A bit iffy 11:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:47, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sudden Rockers

Nom & vote Del on singer-less apparent garage band. Once they escape that self-described "unfortunate" state, let's hear what further criteria detect notable bands. In the meantime, the original text looks intended as an employment ad.
--Jerzy•t 20:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not notable — Cory Maylett 22:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED. The most notable thing he did was have a tantrum, and people have those on here all the time without becoming noted for it... -Splashtalk 23:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TheFudge

Non-notable DeviantArt user spam. Probably nonsense too. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 20:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE as a joke page per WP:VAND and CSD G3. -Splashtalk 13:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Arachnoid-Machine Society Of Ireland

No evidence this exists.Notjim 20:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Distorted Mind

No claim of meeting WP:MUSIC Punkmorten 21:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:47, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yang Bao Lo

non-notable bio/vanity, no Google hits. There is a Christian writer named Paul Young but he's not Taiwanese - Delete Chick Bowen 21:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED. A7. Being a cop, even if you once ran a candy shop, does not constitute an assertion of note. -Splashtalk 23:33, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Spudich

non-notable police officer - I was unsure whether this was a speedy candidate so I figured AfD was the safer bet - delete Chick Bowen 21:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dude, come on. Whats the big deal..plus, there is a lot of information not posted on this yet. Thats just the beginning. Derek is community hero around here and we, his friends, would like to recognize him for his accomplishments — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.242.194.38 (talk • contribs) 17:10 EDT, 20 September 2005 66.242.194.38
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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:48, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Private Phillip Lynch

Memorial. People who give their lives for freedom should be remembered, and this one is. But WP:NOT a place for memorials Outlander 21:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETED. Barely coherent ramblings. -Splashtalk 22:59, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Boltgun

This page is a blatant fabrication and joke and, while moderately humorous, does not belong here at Wikipedia

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The result of the debate was DELETE. — JIP | Talk 16:50, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2512

A year in the future, notable only because an Xbox game is set in it.

RE: Even if the date is incorrect there are a lot of fictional references on other years

--Doc (?) 22:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 18:29, 29 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

John Boy Ryan and Apple Macmatician

nn-bio (a Googleless guy), but since it claims he inverted the 'microlip' it isn't, in my view, a speedy. --Doc (?) 22:32, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding Apple Macmatician as it is part of the same nonsense --Doc (?) 22:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE BOTH. -Splashtalk 00:47, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Goddard and Tim Roberts

They jointly founded Keytools Ltd, a fact that is amply recorded on the (barely notable) company's page. --Doc (?) 22:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 22:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Religious institution

Realy just an excuse for a photogallery - nothing here worth merging anywhere. --Doc (?) 23:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete (anons disregarded) · Katefan0(scribble) 22:36, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NOWClan

A bunch of Canadian kids who like to play computer games. --Doc (?) 23:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Wikipedia should not be an index for players of a particular game. Information that might be relevant to the participant of an obscure MUD is not necessarily encyclopedic. Anetode 00:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

touche batjanus

--A bit iffy 11:31, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 22:44, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane katrina.com

Tagged for speedy, without a reason. I don't think this meets any of the criteria as it stands. It also looks to me like a very well-meant attempt to write an informative article, and I didn't have the heart to speedy it. It probably has to go since it is original research, but thanks to the author for their efforts. -Splashtalk 23:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was delete · Katefan0(scribble) 22:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Allan

Essay describing non-existent church. No notability, no verifiability, no NPOV. Delete. -Willmcw 23:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC) Willmcw 23:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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