Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sicilian mafiosi

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The result was keep. Clear consensus for keeping and after cleanup is now a list of notable people. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sicilian mafiosi

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This list is a WP:BLP nightmare, and should be deleted unless each and every member of the list self identifies as a member of this organisation. There is huge potential for legal disasters with articles of this nature. Fiddle Faddle 18:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Legal disasters? Have you read the article? Click the links - most people here are solely notable for being criminals that were a part of this group. If there are people who aren't, they can be weeded out and removed. But this is a fine list for now. Beerest355 Talk 19:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article just needs a clean up by removing the names with no WP articles.--Vic49 (talk) 23:19, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up the article.--Vic49 (talk) 23:42, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 01:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The list should contain only those entries which have proof, be it a reference in the article, or a blue link entry with evidence in its own article. Dream Focus 01:36, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Category:Sicilian Mafiosi covers all those with articles and anybody wanting to see them can go there. This is just a list of links which is what a category is already,--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- See WP:NOTDUP. postdlf (talk) 02:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - But sometimes we don't. I don't need to look hard and I can find categories with no duplicate lists. I would understand if this list has actual information but as it is it doesn't; it is just links.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Whether there are other categories that don't have corresponding lists (of course there are) is not relevant to whether this should be deleted, just as the fact that there is a category is not relevant to whether this list should be deleted. Not that this is necessary to keep it, but the list has the potential to be annotated or formatted into a sortable table, either of which would provide added value beyond a category. postdlf (talk) 02:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve by providing brief info (one phrase) about every person in the list. Such lists have every right to exist per WP:List assuming that individual pages are sufficiently well sourced (yes, they seem to be). My very best wishes (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve, I don't actually see any BLP violation in the list, however AfD is not cleanup. Cavarrone 03:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question Who is volunteering to clean this up? Are we just voting keep and praying that someone down the line in the future would improve it beyond a list of links? If yes, what if the situation remains unchanged for a year or more?--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 07:09, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

what you are referring? Vic49 already volunteered and he made a very strong cleanup, I don't see any BLP violation and subsequently no need for additional cleanup. If you have specific concerns about a item you are free to join the talk page discussion and raise your concerns. Cavarrone 07:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Repeat with me: there is no such thing as a BLP nightmare. The point is that either there is a BLP violation (and except for BLP1E or unsourced bios, they're a reason for cleanup but usually not for outright deletion) or there is not. Potential BLP violations are a false argument: every place in Wikipedia can bring a BLP violation. Permanent semiprotection/pending changes would be a nice idea, if the nom is concerned about potential violations. As far as I know nowhere in BLP is required self-identification with a crime organization, while conversely BLP contains WP:WELLKNOWN, which I'd say covers basically all entries: all these people are notable because they have been associated with the Sicilian Mafia, as well documented from trials, police sources and secondary sources. If some entry violates this, they can be removed. -- cyclopia^speak! 10:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Georgian mafiosi is a similar AFD. Someone there already linked to the discussion here. Same exact issues on both. Dream Focus 17:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't understand why some people think these kind of articles should be removed. This is encyclopedia and it should involve everything from giraffes to solar system and that's why we are all here to contribute to a better knowledge of things in this world. GeorgianJorjadze 20:16, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I philosophically agree with you, but there are other points of view. See Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia and links therein.-- cyclopia^speak! 09:58, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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