Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isak Hansen-Aarøen (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. ✗plicit 09:48, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isak Hansen-Aarøen

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Footballer. This article was previously deleted at AfD, draftified, recreated and speedily deleted. Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2021 July 6 overturned the speedy deletion and sent the article to AfD, presumably because notability is still questionable. This is a procedural nomination, I am neutral. Sandstein 09:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Sandstein 09:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. He has been tracked by the media since 2014 at least (WP:SUSTAINED): [1], [2]. Some sources: Isak Hansen-Aarøen was selected as Tomorrow's Football Hero by TV 2 with NFF in 2019: [3]; The teen has earned a reputation as "the new Haaland" after his junior performances: [4] and [5]; Hansen-Aarøen is described as a "ballet dancer" with a good understanding of the game and good timing for when he will let the ball go and when he can dribble: [6]; 'the great talent' Isak Hansen-Aarøen: [7]; 'supertalent': [8]; 'the greatest talent': [9]; 'He is a modern Juan Mata type with enormous close technique and good eyesight': [10]; 'The great talent': [11]; 'the story of the boy': [12], 'super talent': [13]; 'Isak Hansen-Aarøen made his professional debut for Tromso': [14]; 'most of Europe wanted to sign Hansen-Aaroen': [15]; 'Isak Hansen-Aaroen showed why he’s so highly rated with some brilliant skill': [16]; '‘unique’ record-breaking forward from Tromso': [17]; 'Isak Hansen-Aaroen has had an impressive first season at the Manchester United Academy': [18]; 'The Norwegian playmaker shone for the Under-18s despite being just 16 years old, winning 15 of 16 fixtures he played in for the team and stood out with a series of top performances in midfield': [19]. His style of play analysis: [20] and [21]. Clearly meets WP:GNG as he has received significant coverage in reliable sources (including Aftenposten, Nordlys, Sunnmørsposten, Nettavisen, Aftenbladet, Manchester Evening News, Diario AS, NRK and TV 2) that are independent of the subject. --Corwin of Amber (talk) 09:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Passes WP:GNG with significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) over several years (WP:SUSTAINED). Has been the feature of significant articles in almost all major Norwegian media, including NRK [22][23][24][25], Aftenposten [26][27][28][29][30], Aftenbladet [31][32][33][34][35] and Verdens Gang [36][37] - Alvaldi (talk) 10:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above Dr Salvus 13:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He's not notable. If his career ended today, no one would remember him in 5 years. He's nowhere near the Manchester United first team and at international level, he hasn't even played for the team below the senior team, let alone the senior team itself. Considering the number of publications that exist nowadays and the amount of column inches they are required to fill, it's no surprise that a player recruited by Manchester United from overseas at a young age has had some coverage, but he's literally done nothing of note other than get signed. – PeeJay 15:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The same arguments from the same editor were rejected twice: 1, 2. --Corwin of Amber (talk) 15:48, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @PeeJay: Per WP:NTEMP Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage. Also per WP:GNG it doesn't matter that he hasn't played for Manchester United or at an international level, he only needs to have significant coverage which you yourself seem to admit he has. Alvaldi (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't consider the coverage he has received to be "significant", I consider it to be the natural result of publications scrabbling around to fill column inches with any old rubbish. I admit nothing with regard to this player's notability; in fact, I deny that quite strongly. Players are signed by big clubs from overseas all the time, and as you rightly point out, notability is not temporary. This player is receiving coverage because he's attracting attention right now, but as I said, if his career ended today, he would be forgotten in an instant. That proves to me that he's not notable right now, because if he was, people would remember him. – PeeJay 16:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - @PeeJay: The subject is not receiving a short blurb of coverage like you are alluding to, he has been receiving this significant coverage over a period of several years, dating back to 2014. That more than enough suffices WP:SUSTAINED and quite frankly contradicts your right now claim. I did not claim that you admited that he was notable, something that is obvious that you don't agree to, however I did point to that you seemed to admit that he was recieving significant coverage but you just think it is old rubbish. And claiming that the coverage from respectable publications in Norway are just old rubbish is pretty much WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Alvaldi (talk) 16:40, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The coverage given to sports figures is, well, just a bit excessive IMO. My general philosophy of WP:ATHLETE is that if you don't meet it, the GNG bar is pretty high. In this case, it appears that the coverage is well beyond what the GNG requires. keep with a note that it makes me think we should reconsider the overall topic a bit more. Hobit (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - meets GNG. Giant Snowman 18:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - we are perhaps getting too hung up on the reasons why he has gained significant coverage rather than actually whether he has significant coverage or not. Yes, he is nowhere the first team. Yes, maybe it's all a bit too much hype about a kid. Yes, maybe his career won't amount to much and he will be forgotten by some football fans. Honestly, though, from the sources above, it's easy to pick WP:THREE that are independent from the subject, independent from each other and discuss the player in detail. VG, Nettavisen and TV2. GNG is not a ridiculously high bar. This passes any day of the week. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the amount of sources about him, especially in Norwegian, demonstrate clear significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. This is not just WP:ROUTINE coverage of match reports and signings being announced. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Corwin of Amber. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:38, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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