Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diane Ramsay

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Ramsay

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This is a BLP for an athlete who competed in the Commonwealth Games and in Scottish National Championships. Although she had significant success at youth level, this isn't enough to meet athletics notability guidelines.

~~There are several articles on Ramsay's career published online. However, these are all based on interviews and most are published by organisations she is associated with.~~

~~I have improved and updated the article, but I still don't believe there's enough to meet GNG.~~ The article appears to have been created by the subject and a notability tag added shortly after its creation was removed in error. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Sportspeople, Sports, United Kingdom, and Scotland. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:17, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on a quick look, I found [1] which is significant coverage of her. And also [2], though it seems like she worked for Scottish Athletics, so may be a primary source. Worth someone doing a more thorough search to see if WP:GNG can be established, as I think it's possible that she will. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note I had already added the first source to the article before nominating for deletion. I don't think it's a primary source though as it's largely based around an interview. As you say, the second source is from an organisation she is affiliated with so doesn't do much good (and again, it's strongly based around an interview).

It doesn't appear there was any significant coverage in local or national papers at the time of her selection for the Commonwealth Games, I suspect due to the abundance of Scottish athletes participating. Perfectly happy to reconsider if something else emerges/ MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 15:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as an alternative to deletion. It is the Athletics Weekly article that makes it difficult to quickly !vote "delete", as it includes 6.5 paragraphs of facts reported neutrally by the publication (even though it also includes quotes from the subject). Per WP:BASIC, multiple independent sources can be combined to establish notability, so if other articles like this were found, it would be a "keep". By draftifying, it gives the community more time to look for those sources (possible that Scottish newspaper coverage does exist, etc.), but if no further edits are made to the draft in six months, it will be deleted. As a side note, the other big problem with this article is that the "Achievements" section is completely unreferenced; another good reason to draftify. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet notability criteria. Despite some good efforts to find more references, notability is still not established. Coldupnorth (talk) 17:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there is now sufficient sourcing to satisfy WP:BASIC and the article has been cleaned up to fix the COI issues. In addition to the in Athletics Weekly (6.5 paragraphs of facts reported neutrally, excluding interview quotes, in a national publication), there are numerous snippets of factual reporting across multiple articles focusing on Ramsay (again, ignoring interview quotes), including the Glasgow World feature and the Daily Record, plus an article about her support for a charity event in Glasgow Evening Times. The coverage spans multiple events in 2014 and 2015, and the other sources not included here (such as the Scottish Athletics articles) provide more up-to-date information about the athlete. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great work. I think there is enough there for me to change my !vote. MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw my delete !vote. I can now advocate for keep based on sources found by Cielquiparle MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.