Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Butler (football manager)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 04:21, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Butler (football manager)

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This article does not meet any notability standards. The most notable thing about him is that he is the father of two players, but this is Wikipedia, not WikiTree. That he managed a high school team may get him some mentions in newspaper articles, but where those don't relate to his more famous sons, they are "local newspapers", which also don't make him notable. The rest is best handled on his sons' pages. Renerpho (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Renerpho (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The restriction on local newspapers as a source of notability applies only in the case of companies, not sportspeople. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Jamaica. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per rationale. Milkk7 (talk) 10:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by nominator @GiantSnowman: There is no lack of "sources",[1] they just don't make him a notable subject. But yes, if sources are found that actually do that, I'd like to know as well. Renerpho (talk) 10:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the article history for what of that has been in the article in the past, as material has been removed for reasons like WP:BLP,[2][3] or due to being incomprehensible (thanks for finally cleaning up this mess). Renerpho (talk) 10:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't say there are no sources. Giant Snowman 11:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither did I. :) Maybe someone else will be interested in that list. Renerpho (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Milkk7:, I found [4], https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20221023/craig-butler-project-pt-1], [5], [6], [7], amonng many more sources (which cna be found in aritcle talk page). Clearly siginficant figure in Jamaican football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz: GiantSnowman probably was aware of those, as they and I discussed them here previously. The article [8] is about him leading his High School team to victory. That's hardly significant. [9] and [10] definitely would be significant, if anything had ever come of those ideas. Someone's grandiose plans to take over Jamaican football, even if announced in local newspapers, amount to little if none of them ever come true. The only notable thing that Craig Butler has done was being the adoptive father of Leon Bailey. Renerpho (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the article has been improved greatly over the past couple of days. Compare what it looked like a week ago.[11] Once you remove the fluff and the WP:BLP issues,[12] not much remains. Renerpho (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Butler is clearly a significant figure in Jamaican football, as shown by the amount of coverage he receives in Jamaican media... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per @Renerpho, with whom I concur. Tkaras1 (talk) 19:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, looks like a nothingburger. High school victories are utterly insignificant, and his academy doesn't look notable. Please write a real article instead of flooding a talk page with this and that. Geschichte (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Many sources provided here and talk page highlight how he has been a significant and controveral figure in Jamaican football... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How? Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz: You still haven't explained how the sources highlight his significance. The mere amount of sources isn't relevant. Renerpho (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—per Geschichte's and Renerpho's comments above about the sources. They exist, but they are substantively empty. Anwegmann (talk) 01:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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