Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdurahim Laajaab

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The result was keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Abdurahim Laajaab

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The article is about an amateur footballer, that have not played in a fully professional league and fails WP:NFOOTY. He is also a futsal player with matches for Norway national futsal team but none in Olympics or World Championship, and fails WP:ATHLETE Mentoz86 (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. —Mentoz86 (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes the GNG, look at [1], [2] and [3]. Paolo Napolitano 18:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't speak Norwegian but those look to be run-of-the mill transfer reports, which fail WP:ROUTINE. Giant Snowman 18:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that it's routine - they're articles about his transfer to a big club and not routine coverage like live result updates. Paolo Napolitano 19:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're definitely "common, everyday, ordinary items that do not stand out" - sorry. Giant Snowman 19:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom. The sources provided are insufficient to merit keeping the article under WP:GNG. None of his appearances to date, both on the club and international level, make the article pass WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are independent, and they are reliable. VG is the largest newspaper in Norway, TV2 is the largest TV channel in Norway, and Nettavisen is one of the major online newspapers. Why aren't they reliable and independent? Paolo Napolitano 19:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not the "reliable" or "independent" element of GNG that's at question here, it's the "significant coverage", which you have yet to prove. Giant Snowman 19:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 19:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep When several of the biggest media outlets in Norway do articles on him, particularly the first one listed by PaoloNapolitano , focusing on how Norway's top sports clubs are fighting over him, it's pretty clear to me his notable. __meco (talk) 23:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment When Norwegian media have written about him (his transfer), they're headlines are "Norwegian futsal-star joins VIF", "Vålerenga and Stabæk fights about a player" and "Vålerenga signs futsal-star" (The three links PaoloNapolitano posted further up on the page, translated). Wouldn't a person that was notable enough for wikipedia have it's name in a headline like that? I have googled him, to try to find out something about him except his transfer to Vålerenga, but I only find local media writing about him when he played in "their" local club, nothing from VG, Aftenposten, Dagbladet, TV2, NRK. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He has played in Adeccoligaen (Norways second level - professional) for Skeid, Notodden and Mjøndalen - as well as one yr for Borussia Mönchengladbach.. His family name is correctly spelled Laajab. - Mr. Hill (talk) 00:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source which proves that? Giant Snowman 09:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a source that states that he atleast played for Borussia Mönchengladbach II in Oberliga. Would be interesting to find out if he also actually played for their main-team, then this discussion could be closed as a keep. BTW - Adeccoligaen is not considered professional. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never played for the senior team, per this. Giant Snowman 13:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mentoz86 is probably talking about this. That is 1) Not a routine report. The reports of hid transfer are not routine reports. You hvave probably not understoo what "routine report" means. A routine report is something like "Team A - Team B 1-0. Goal: Laajab, and not an article about a transfer. 2) It is reliable, it is independent, and it addresses the subject directly. Abdurahim Laajab therefore passes the GNG. Paolo Napolitano 14:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I think you don't understand what "routine reporting" means - how on earth is saying Player X has transferred from Club Y to Club Z" significant coverage? Also seeing as all of this so-called coverage relates to one specific transfer, then that would fail WP:BLP1E. Giant Snowman 14:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Several Norwegian media have written large articles about his transfer. It is not just a name on a list. I have also updated the article with a whole new set of reliable references. Paolo Napolitano 14:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again, all the coverage, regardles of who wrote it, relates to just one event, and is not significant anyway. Giant Snowman 14:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of the seven references I posted, four are not related to his transfer. How are this, this, this and this relating to his transfer? Paolo Napolitano 14:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of the seven references currently on the article, only #3 & #4 are anything other than insignificant coverafe. Giant Snowman 14:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2 and #7 are also significant coverage. By saying that these sources are significant, you admit that Ibba is notable. Paolo Napolitano 14:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Still not enough I'm afraid. Find a few - heck, even one - more and I'm more than happy to change my mind. Giant Snowman 14:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[4] Paolo Napolitano 14:55, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Breakdown of referencesThere are seven references on his article at the moment. #1 #5 #6 are written by big online Norwegian newspapers about his transfer to Vålerenga. #2 and #4 are written by minor local newspapers, when he played for their local club (Drammens Tidende covers Mjøndalen IF, and Romerikes Blad covers Sørumsand IF). That leaves #3 and #7, and it's up to you to decide if those two is enough to pass WP:GNG. The last link posted by PaoloNapolitano to this page, is written by rbkweb.no - a unofficial supportersite for Rosenborg BK. I guess that one is more like a WP:FANSITE then a WP:RS. Mentoz86 (talk) 15:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - passes WP:GNG. Article could do with an infobox and slight expansion, but looks to be notable to me. Giant Snowman 15:10, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has significant media coverage in major domestic media outlets, meeting GNG. Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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