Template talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Too large?

I'm wondering if this navbox is getting too large in it's current state. Here's an alternative which utilizes {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

That looks like a good update to me. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
"This is gonna work, Steve." El Millo (talk) 20:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Thumbs up icon --TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Actually instead of linking to Marvel Studios and Marvel Television, why dont you link to the film and television pages directly like you did with the music?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I thought of that, but then I remembered we changed the formatting because of the Phase Four TV series being with the films, and not the other Marvel TV, TV series. I'm happy if we go back to the headings being "Films" and "Television series" linked to the lists if we don't care about the Phase Four Disney+ series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Actually, let me try something. I'll make Triiiple's changes, and link the TV series subheading in Phase Four to the list as well. @Adamstom.97, Facu-el Millo, and TriiipleThreat: thoughts on this version (it's the new Option 2)? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
No, I think we should stick with Option 1, even more so now that we are hiding all the content. Having a heading that says "Feature films" for a section that includes both films and TV series just doesn't make sense to me. That's why we changed it in the first place. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm for Option 1 as well. El Millo (talk) 21:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Great, I'm going to implement then. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Related films

@InfiniteNexus: @YgorD3: Where should Spider-Man 2, Venom: Let There Be Carnage and Morbius be included in this template, with Alfred Molina appearing in Spider-Man: No Way Home, Tom Holland and J. K. Simmons appearing as Peter Parker and J. Jonah Jameson in the middle film, and Michael Keaton as Adrian Toomes in the latter? Dealmaces (talk) 22:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think they should be included at all, as they aren't actually set in the MCU but rather crossing over via the "Multiverse". However, if anyone disagrees, we could try something like the "related media" section on {{DC Extended Universe}}. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
I agree with InfiniteNexus, they aren't actually set in the MCU for the most part of what we know, so they shouldn't be listed. We list the Spider-Man in film and Sony's Spider-Man Universe articles in "Other", as Marvel Studios coordinated with Sony to have actors reprise roles from past Spidey films in NWH and for that Venom credits scene. To list each of the films in a part of a template dedicated to another franchise would be overkill, especially when there are already templates for the Raimi and Webb film series and Sony's universe. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Venom: Let There Be Carnage Post-Credits MCU Scene

Should Venom: Let There Be Carnage be added to this template in any capacity, since the post-credits scene technically takes place in the MCU?The Editor 155 (talk) 01:06, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

  • I know this was also asked in the discussion above, but I think the fact that the post-credits scene for Venom: Let There Be Carnage literally occurs in the MCU means it should be added to this template.The Editor 155 (talk) 01:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Per my point in the above discussion, I don't think this should be included in this template. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I agree that the other films in Sony's Spider-Man Universe should not be added, but I think the fact that the post-credits scene for Venom: Let There Be Carnage takes place in the MCU means it should be included, as the scene literally brings the film into the MCU.The Editor 155 (talk) 02:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
As I wrote at Talk:Venom: Let There Be Carnage § MCU (which has not received a lot of responses, so I would appreciate if more editors chimed in), I still don't think we should just jump to conclusions like this regardless of how apparent the situation might seem. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

SSU, Venom LTBC, and Venom linked in this navbox

I think based on the NWH post-credits scene, we really shouldn't be linking these three articles here. They are fully related to just NWH, not the MCU as a whole, at least still for the time being. I'm iffy too about Osborn and Peter 2 and 3, but they at least had more prominent roles in NWH that I can see an argument for their inclusion. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Unless Venom is a main starrer in an MCU film and not just a cameo in one film (NWH), he shouldn't be here, and Let There Be Carnage especially shouldn't only for just one scene. Let There Be Carnage's scene does connect to both FFH and NWH via the multiverse, but that doesn't warrant an inclusion for the film here when we already explain it in the NWH article, and because it only connected to the MCU Spidey films and no other ones as of yet. I think it would be best to include "(Sony's Spider-Man Universe) after the "Spider-Man in film link due to how much coverage the SSU-MCU connections have on our articles, but any specific films and characters should likely be left out for the time being, with characters from the SSU and other non-MCU franchises only being included here if it's a major starrer role, like Osborn, Peter-Two, and Peter-Three. Also pininging @(a)nnihilation97:. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't even think the SSU needs a link because there really hasn't been any "true" connections between the two yet, and one can get to that info through the Spider-Man in film article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Very true, I was hesitant about how we could include that. For now, we can leave it out. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Would help to know in what section we are talking about as the navbox has become pretty huge. In general I think that the Venom film can be added a "related" section as both the end-credits of that film and the end-credits of NWH have valid connections. Both non-MCU Spider-Man, the 5 villains and Venom can also be in a related section as they've appeared in the film. Gonnym (talk) 16:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Speaking of it being huge. I would think we need to split off different topics of the subject already. I don’t feel like we need an over collapsible navbox. It’s getting harder to navigate this for reader I feel. Jhenderson 777 17:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Gonnym: SSU and Venom: LTBC were in "Marvel Studios -> Other", while the characters were in "Cast and characters -> Characters -> Related". @Jhenderson777: we can start that separate discussion on altering the navbox because of its size for sure. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for pinging me in this conversation, Trailblazer101. I really do believe that the character Venom and the film, Let There Be Carnage should be included in the related/other tabs. Mainly due to Let There Be Carnage being tied into the bigger picture in the Multiverse Saga. Yes it does primarily tie into Far From Home & No Way Home, but it also ties into Multiverse of Madness which ties into Loki which also ties into Ant-Man 3. It confirms it is part of the MCU multiverse and though for a short period is set in the MCU, so I do believe Let There Be Carnage is an important/necessary addition because it sorta does add to the Multiverse Saga. While for the Venom character,... I do feel like it is necessary to put Venom in the Related tab in the Characters. I do agree that for the characters to be in the Related tab that they should have a bigger role such as Osborn and the two Spider-Men. But with Venom a piece of it/it's potential offspring is stuck in the MCU, hinting at the possibilities in the future. Maybe we could make a similar page like J. Jonah Jameson (film character) and the draft page Draft:Wade Wilson (film character) and move the symbiote to its own page, due to it hinting that the symbiote in Spider-Man 3 shares a hive mind with Venom in the Sony's Spider-Man Universe. Due to multiple versions of it being in the Sam Raimi, the SSU and now the MCU. - (a)nnihilation97 (talk) 16:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Yeah I agree @Favre1fan93:, what I said is a totally different subject altogether. My opinion of the relevant subject so far is I don’t really have an issue with the inclusion of the multiverse related subjects if they appeared in the MCU as “related”. It’s just the only issue of it is it’s quite crowded to allow such a thing so far. Jhenderson 777 21:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd argue that now the character of Venom must be included in the navbox, as he directly appears in No Way Home. I think the inclusion of Venom LTBC was as succinct as it could be, in parentheses next to Spider-Man in film, given it's related but not exactly encompassed by that article and term, yet if it were any other way around we should have to list all the previous five Spider-Man films as well. —El Millo (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Venom should absolutely be included in the Related characters section of the infobox. As he appeared in the mid-credits scene of No Way Home, he did appear in an MCU film. --Sricsi (talk) 11:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Jumping in here with my thoughts: are we saying that any crossovers from other franchises and continuities should only be included here (as a franchise/film link or a character link) if they have an actual role in the film and are not just a cameo appearance? I am happy to go with something like that if we are going to clearly define that expectation. Seems like we may need to make similar judgement calls for a certain movie coming up next year. Also, 'Marvel Studios > Other' sounds like it is for Marvel Studios films that do not fit under the Phase headings which is not the case here, can we go with 'Marvel Studios > Related' perhaps? - adamstom97 (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2021

A Wilson Fisk character page was created and it's already been properly linked to other outgoing and connected pages, but it has not yet been added to the navigation template. --TheOrbFromDown (talk) 06:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC) TheOrbFromDown (talk) 06:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Probably best to wait to see how the discussion on Talk:Kingpin (character) shakes out before modifying the template - there seems to be an edit war going on. PianoDan (talk) 17:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 Not done: That article has been redirected. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)