Talk:Yardımlı

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Yardımlı → Yardymly
• Ucar, Azerbaijan → Ujar
• Siyəzən → Siyazan

– The all Azerbaijani city names should be moved to English version as it is official versions. Moreover, there is more results in English version of it and some Azerbaijani letters is unknown to readers, which will cause problems in reading the article such as "Yardımlı". Xoncha (talk) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NovaSkola 09:41, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Ujar redirects to a dab page, not to the city. Dekimasuよ! 11:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - as with all the other moves. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:33, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, rather than single-handedly making an undiscussed bulk moves that affects the stable titling of an entire article corpus, note that recent English books do use Turkic diacritics for Azerbaijani the same as en.wp historically has done for all Turkic geo articles: [http://www.amazon.com/Lonely-Planet-Georgia-Armenia-Azerbaijan/dp/174179403X/ Lonely Planet Georgia, Armenia & Azerbaijan uses Turkic diacritics] [http://www.amazon.com/Azerbaijan-Excursions-Georgia-Mark-Elliott/dp/190586423X/ Azerbaijan Excursions Guide uses Turkic script] etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. All titles should use letters from the English alphabet. Red Slash 00:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 18:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yardımlı → Yardimli – Move to "Yardimli" per WP:UE/WP:COMMONNAME/WP:ENGLISH. Proof of anglicized name being the common name:

Results from Google News: Yardimli: 340 Yardımlı: 0

Results from Google Scholar: Yardimli: 121 Yardımlı: 74

Individual reliable sources referring to the city as Yardimli: Institute for War and Peace Reporting

This is the same name but an anglicized version. Unlike other small villages, this is a fairly large town, which has made a lot of appearances in English-language media, in most of which, "Yardimli" has been used much more, establishing its WP:COMMONNAME. I'd also like to ask the closing admin to give more attention to the arguments being made rather than the vote counts, as there are people who go over each RM and repeat unrelated policies as an "Oppose" argument. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 17:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as previous RM in 2014. Nothing has changed, it was a high-MOS choice for en.wp then, it's a high-MOS choice now. And frankly why replace short ı with long i, when the proposed change redirects here anyway? Readers don't panic at short ı in Turkish geo titles, why should they panic at a short ı just because this is over the border in another Latin-alphabet country Azerbaijan? This is a tiny stub on an insignificant town, it's doing no harm to anyone are perfectly findable using the same full font as every other Azerbaijan geo. This is a choice of en.wp relating to all Latin-alphabet geo articles. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)In ictu oculi (talk) 18:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  The 2014 RM provided no sources and policies to back their change. Preferring an anglicized common name as advocated by WP:UE, WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH over a scarcely used non-anglicized name isn't a MOS choice. We're not changing the name solely because it uses non-anglicized letters. The anglicized name is the common name as shown by WP:RS and WP:GOOGLETEST provided above. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:45, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please. WP:BADGER - and your response came so quickly that I lost some of my edit. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Replying to people to clarify their misunderstanding of my RM intent isn't badgering (it would be if I was trying to make you change your vote) and it's quite ironic for you to mention it as you were doing the exact same thing few days ago here and here. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 18:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, I don't think the ratio of "English name" use is enough to override native name.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  What? Did you even read the move request? It's not a ratio of "English name", it's a WP:COMMONNAME and a city's name being anglicized or not has nothing to do with the common name (and in this case, the anglicized name is the common name). — CuriousGolden (T·C) 20:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per In Ictu Oculi. No such user (talk) 14:12, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per arguments above. You needs to make consensus about it at MOS talk page. 36.69.52.139 (talk) 14:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  This is not a MOS issue and users trying to relate it to that are just WP:STONEWALLING at this point by copy-pasting the same message to each of the RMs. "Yardimli" is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. Combined with WP:UE and WP:ENGLISH, there's absolutely no proper reason provided by the other side as to why it shouldn't be used. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 14:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. All titles should use letters from the English alphabet. Red Slash 17:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

that goes agaisnt WP:DIACRITICS—blindlynx (talk) 17:51, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose and support move of Yardimli District. It's probably a safe assumption taht the ngram is skewed beacsue not everyone has a the short i on thier key board and not that the long i version is the wp:commonname—blindlynx (talk) 17:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]