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This project is launched to make articles related to Protected areas of India an Featured. Pls. join this project. Amartyabag (Talk) 10:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since there are only 4 of us at present, we should probably have a collaboration of the month - and informally or formally decide on one topic from the candidates. ray 22:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As per ray's comments in the talk page for Collaboration of the Month. Let us select any well known NP which is stub and can expand it. I would suggest to go for Kaziranga National Park which is stub but is well known. Amartyabag (Talk) 10:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would second Kaziranga. Let us have it as the collaboration of the month for February. What do the others think ? As for the remaining days of January, lets clean up the Indian PA category entries. They are in a mess. ray 16:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, let's have Kaziranga as the collaborative effort for February, 2007. Hope some of you guys have good resources so that the article can be improved :) Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I think this is a consensus. I have also destubbed or created most of the blanket articles, and some additional ones on Forest Department terms we may need. Category sorting is left, as are issues of userboxes, user categories, logos, and stub templates. If we can get these done by Jan 31, we can start off the Wikiproject properly in Feb. By the way, I am now going to vanish for some time and resurface a few days later. ray 01:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Use of Hindi in PAs: I think there is no justification of using Hindi in all PAs except in the areas where hindi is the popular local language. If we continue following this norm then all Wikipedia article related to India should have hindi name, which I think is highly debatable. Remove the use of hindi language policy. I am strictly not against any language.

Agreed. Having Hindi everywhere might not serve much purpose, I will change the Hindi part in the directives ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Solved as steps taken by ray. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• New Userbox and user category related to Indian PA should be created

Hmm . The standard have a global PA infobox, which looks sufficient. Only a few countries have their own PA infobox, typically due to additional info which cant be accomodated by the original infobox (like website url for australia). A user category would definitely help, though ! ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I mean Userbox and user category for this Wikiproject. Amartyabag (Talk) 11:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikiproject message and Indian PA stub should be created. Preferrably with some comination of green.

Yes, definitely these need to be done. Amartya can you do it? I am a bit short of time these days. ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• New image or logo of this Wikiproject might have the map of India with PA written on the map boldly in green. Amartyabag (Talk) 14:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. ray 16:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:32, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons for working on this topic are:

• Concern about recent human intrusion into this wilderness area, especially illegal forest clearing and agricultural cultivation.
• Concern about the resulting reduction or extinction of the high proportion of endemic species of flora and fauna in these unique South Western Ghats montane rain forests.
• Concern about degradation of the culture and habitat of the native nomadic Palayan tribes people who have lived in the caves of this area for millenniums.
• To stimulate awareness and action to reverse the above intrusion and degradation, including stepped up enforcement of existing Environmental policy of the Government of India. Marcus334 19:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• “Legislations on Environment, Forests, and Wildlife” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests

• “India’s Forest Conservation Legislaton: Acts, Rules, Guidelines”, from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
• Wildlife Legislations, including - “The Indian Wildlife (Protection) Act” from the Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests
• Official website of: Government of India, Ministry of Environment & Forests

• The Wildlife Protection Act, 1972 (Non Government)

Atulsnischal 07:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Invitation for Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India

Thanks. Would you be interested in the newly formed Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India ?

Cheers. ray 04:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Invitation for Group for discussion group

You may be interested in joining the group for discussions leading to article improvement on wikipedia in the area of Indian biodiversity. Shyamal 07:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• reply

Thanks Ray and Shyamal for inviting me, I will love to contribute much more to Wikipedia on India’s Natural Heritage and Wildlife etc. which are interests close to my heart but I am still not so good in keyboarding, that makes me really very slow. I really admire the work on Wikipedia that anybody can access easily, especially the growing work on wildlife and conservation in India that you all are generating. I am glad you all have got together for Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India and am sure overtime coordinated effort by members will improve the coverage systematically. I feel very happy that in the long-term this material will be easily available to younger generation, school kids and budding naturalists not only of our region but worldwide spurring their love and respect for environment as a whole.

I really admire your efforts and enjoy your work.

Atul Singh Nischal Atulsnischal (talk · contribs)

Atulsnischal 02:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zoos in India dont have websites of their own yet, but this is a great example that stands out:

• NandanKanan, Orissa, India
• Official Website of: "Nandankanan Zoological Park", Bhubaneswar, Orissa, India

Located in: Chandaka forest ???

Atulsnischal 03:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed another website of an Indian Zoo:

• Nehru Zoological Park, Hyderabad
• Official website of: "Nehru Zoological Park, Hyderabad", Andhra Pradesh Forest Department, India

Atulsnischal 04:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is presently a stub.

• An infobox (incomplete)
• A history of the protected status of the park (needs verification and a reference)
• Brief one liners on the
  • Flora
  • Fauna
• Park information (incomplete)

• Kaziranga at the Google News Archive - link
• Useful books on Rhino conservation - link link

• Children's lit on Kaziranga link

• A map to get our bearings, not usable for WP link

• Official UN document (for data and citations) link

• UNESCO WHS page link

• Some census data link

• Commercial website link

• Details on a website I usually deem v accurate link

• WTI reports on projects, etc link, Newsfeeds link

• The closest thing to an official website link, the 100 yr celebration website doesnt work

• Flickr commercial photos tagged kaziranga link

• Wikimedia cat link

• The sat photo is terrific, but we need a US gov photo link

Protected area Name of Protected Area Name of Protected Area (India)
Location	Village,Town,District
Nearest city	City, State
Coordinates	25°0′0″N 75°0′0″E / 25.00000°N 75.00000°E / 25.00000; 75.00000
Area	km²
Established	Year
Visitors	People (in year)
Governing body	Dept of___, Ministry of___

• If we reach concensus on User box, Message box and Info box should they be in Wikipedia:WikiProject India Tools or add (section)==Tools== on Project page?
  ---Marcus 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blank Protected areas of India/Infobox for use in Protected areas of India Articles.

You may list yourself in the Category:WikiProject Protected areas of India participants by adding the following to your userpage. [[Category:WikiProject Protected areas of India participants| {{subst:PAGENAME}}]]

You may use {{India-protected-area-stub}} for any Indian protected area stubs that you write or come across. This will automatically put the article in Category:Indian protected area stubs.

You can also add the {{User WINDPA}} user box to your userpage. Inclusion of the userbox will automatically add you to the user category.

The template is made with default Wiki templates on Userbox. I think there is no reason to resize. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• However, please also manually add your name to the project's list of participants.

This user is a member of WikiProject Protected areas of India.

User:Marcus334|Marcus]] 22:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Protected areas of India similiar to:

1. It needs group consensus and editing by a WikiBoxGuru--Marcus 00:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
2. Nice templates but I do not think in India, buildings are referred as PA. So no need to add photo of Taj, instead use the the Indian PA image on one side.Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3. Ok the templates now looks better. But can we get a photo with some wild animal with a beautiful scenery as background. The current picture of mt. kanchenjunga seems that this project is of a mountain. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
4. Replaced Image:Kangchenjunga.JPG. Realistic forest habitat: can't see tiger face clearly. Someone else pitch in here.--Marcus 06:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
5. Done and added to the WP:IND banner. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is an additional forum which has many Wikipedia supporters who may not be very WikiSavvy. All are welcome to: group:|Wikipedians for Indian Naturefor discussions leading to article improvement on Wikipedia in the area of Nature in India. Shyamal 07:04, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Hindi Wikipedia
• Article on Eurasian lynx from HINDI Wikipedia

Atulsnischal 07:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia talk: "Notice board for India-related topics"

Please make use of this notice board if needed (Link also included in our Taxbok).

Atulsnischal 16:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For Common Indian Monitor scientific page, somebody is threating to take the para out

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Shivaji's general Tanaji Malusare used Shivaji’s famous pet monitor lizard which is locally known as ghorpad named "Yeshwanti" with a rope tied around its waist for climbing up the walls of the Sinhagad fort from it’s steepest and the least guarded side in the dead of a moonless night during the Battle of Sinhagad. Once he had scaled up himself after the giant lizard, up the sheer steep cliff unnoticed, he threw down rope ladders for others to climb. ^{[citation needed]}This Common Indian Monitor (Varanus bengalensis) found locally in present day Maharashtra is the species of Monitor Lizard said to have been used which is also known as ghorpad in Marathi. ^{[citation needed]}

Ghorpads are famous for their ability to cling to smooth surfaces, and were traditionally trained for this purpose by herders in the area. ^{[citation needed]}

Thanks

Atulsnischal 22:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a fine piece of historic anecdote, the only problem is that it is without references from a valid reliable source. Atul provided only two references, one was to a music site article; the other being from indbazaar.com. None of these are reliable sources at all. I've requested Atul to provide a reliable source such as books from historians, but am yet to see that. There is actually no problem in having this anecdote, but we need to be careful to stuff an encylopedia with facts that are supported (so far) only by a music site article. If this is a historic fact, there must be some historic references to it. Provide that and move along, that's the wikipedia policy. Thanks. --Ragib 23:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed User:Ragib started editing the the bengal monitor page by distorting the historical anecdote of Maratha over Mugal victory first. Strange. Made it into a "persistant myth" from fact, now he wants a reference for each sentence otherwise he threatened to take the pagragraph out.

Atulsnischal 00:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Where does "maratha vs Mughal" even come into the picture!!! You add a tidbit to an article, when asked for references provide a google cache link to a music site, and now making even more misleading claims about what I stated!! Why don't you just provide a reference for the information, from a reliable source (which is not from a google cache of a music site). Verifiability is Wikipedia's basic principle, and instead of finding hidden motives, why don't you just dig up a usable reference? Waiting for that. (I frankly don't care whatever the myth is about, but it needs to be verifiable. Thanks. --Ragib 00:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please continue discussion on Talk:Bengal monitor. Shyamal 02:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Atulnischal, I'm not sure what grand plan you have in mind, but copying the section on Flora and Fauna from the India page and pasting it to create a new article and then referencing it on the India page itself requires some explanation. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC) User talk:Saravask[reply]

"Wildlife of India" deserves an article in its own right, "Wildlife of India" is a popular term that people look for and search for on the internet, school kids, nature lovers and people who want to go on nature and eco-tourism trips etc. General people and younger generation looking for Info on Indian wildlife do not look for scientific and little known and boring words like Fauna or Flora or terminology like Protected areas of India etc. All this can be brought together under "Wildlife of India" article by a popular and commonly used and searched name. As per the content of this article: everybody is free to edit and add info on it.

Thanks, sincerely

Atulsnischal 23:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.

Thanks

Atulsnischal 17:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a dashboard to the project page. It really helps with collaboration in the India project. Hope it helps here too. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Natural history-India emailing list aids NGOs and Grassroots workers along with scientists, researchers, naturalists and nature lovers, it is India's premiere list in these aspects and on Conservation and Natural History.

Please help edit and save this article about this important Mailing List, it has come up for deletion because there are very less references on the net or I was not able to find any good ones.

Please help when you have time, improve article to save it and also vote for keeping it here:

PLEASE VOTE TO KEEP THIS ARTICLE, Cast your Vote on the following Link:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natural History of South Asia - General Discussion and Research Emailing List

Thankyou all

Atulsnischal 10:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that posting on a project page about taking a side on an afd is not really a good thing, and is akin to vote stacking. Please don't do this. Thanks. --Ragib 11:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way you voted in a second after my post for help in the project page, you said it is a non notable list in a second without any research, now you are making stories.

This article on the list is included in the articles we are developing in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India, so I asked for help there.

Atulsnischal 11:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your call for stacking votes 10:58 UTC

diff for my vote 11:06 UTC

thanks. --Ragib 11:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stop following me around on Wikipedia Rajib since the Bengal Monitor incident, I told you Wildlife of Bangladesh needs work, please get some people from Bangladesh Project to develop the article.

Thanks

Atulsnischal 11:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this is a very bad approach. Please don't go into WikiProjects asking people to stack the votes in your favor. And this project is on my watchlist, there is no question of me following you around. I don't have that much time. --Ragib 11:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I have noted that User Rajib you have gone and posted a Vote to delete within a second of me posting for help to improve the article, this is known as discrimination, you have done no research just Voted to delete.

Atulsnischal 11:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I happen to have taken a look at the article, which is not really encyclopedic. Disagreeing with you is not discrimination. I have expressed my reasons there. I also took a look into your contributions, which are great. The above reminder is a small piece of advice given in good faith to you so that your actions are not interpreted as backhanded vote stacking attempts. By the way,please stop misspelling my name. Thank you. --Ragib 11:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop doing me favors Ragib, lets just make contributions, that list is not a "non notable list" Ok, it is infact the most notable list. The article just needs some improvement and editing, if you can help, great, if you cant let others.

Thanks

Atulsnischal 11:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. No problem with that. The article is unencyclopedic. Thank you. By the way, I request you for the last time NOT to move my comment above. Please don't move my comment from where I made it, making it out of context. Thanks. --Ragib 11:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have expressed my reasons above. I have taken a look at the unencyclopedic article, which is my reason to vote delete. As for your vote, you tried to disrupt this afd by calling others to vote KEEP in a Wikiproject. That is called vote stacking, and is highly objectionable. Thanks. --Ragib 11:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way you voted in a second after my post for help in the project page, you said it is a non notable list in a second without any research, now you are making stories.

This article on the list is included in the articles we are developing in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Protected areas of India, so I asked for help there.

Atulsnischal 11:48, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your call for stacking votes 10:58 UTC

diff for my vote 11:06 UTC

I think the diffs and the timestamps are self explanatory. You can check them if you have some doubt. Thank you. --Ragib 11:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atul, The nathistory-india page may be revived. It would perhaps not have gone to afd if you spent some time on writing carefully. Would suggest that some time is spent on reading and studying the structure of featured articles. You will note for instance that the captions on most of these articles are short and precise. The body text should also be in the encyclopaedic style. Advocacy is not to be included (for instance a statement like "We should save this species" would almost invite an afd to your doorstep). Cite the best references, place material in context and do not add too many or irrelevant external links or see alsos. That should take you a long way. cheers. Shyamal 01:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shyamal, I have a few things to say too

They started the deletion process because they said, IT IS A NON-NOTABLE List, which is of course not true at all as you and I both know.

Also People of all skill levels are welcome to edit and contribute to Wikipedia and such, it was basically an article that had the correct vision, but needed editing help, you know what I mean, a technical writer's touch.

This list itself is a new media thing and people have to still wakeup to such networking platforms like these and appreciate their contribution to society, unfortunately journalists have not yet realized the potential to do features on lists from time to time which would have been really very handy to quote. The paucity of Newspaper articles about the list was also the main issue as it could have established the notability in a second. There are several Wildlife and Conservation Journalists on the list though, just have not woken up to a new living and breathing thing.

Also 95% of the writers out there are not scientific writers, or technical writers, assistants usually take care of these little things for them.

And as far as contributions on Wikipedia go, people are supposed to help edit and rewrite articles here to improve their quality, correct spellings of others, punctuations, rearrange facts and paragraphs to provide a better flow, provide proper sources, ............ who ever gave you the idea the that the contributor who started the page / article needs to finish it. Over the years hundreds or thousands of people should help improve an article and update it from time to time and NOT put it up for deletion on the third day, this kind of behavior discredits Wikipedia itself.

Since I did lot of research on Asiatic Lion hence I noticed another short coming of purely scientific or technical writing, you guys do not hesitate at all to quote an article even though the article may have all nonsense in it, Asiatic Cheetah Diet is still quoted from a bad source with nonsense in it, the National Geographic article from 2000 on Asiatic Lions has nonsense that Asiatic Lions are highly inbred, but technical writers dont hesitate quoting such reputable sources and present it as gods own truth.

Now lets come to our project "Protected Areas of India" or Zoos, you guys are so busy technically writing and correctly quoting that you forget that basics like, how much is the ticket, how to reach, closest railway or airport, what is the best season to visit, what are the accommodations offered, are guides and rides / cars available, who are the contacts etc., any special clothing suggested (Snakes, mosquitos), etc. etc. are also import information that should be included and will be useful to the reader, there is ofcourse no need for us to sell a holiday package to them but a little reader oriented info would be definitely useful to include in an Encyclopedia. A little bit of thinking outside the box is needed for techies.......

I have already told you guys that I really appreciate your efforts, so don't think otherwise. I have even made an effort to tell India about it, here is the link:

https://lists.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0702&L=nathistory-india&T=0&F=&S=&P=14871

Thanks for your help though.

Atulsnischal 07:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Deletion review

Atulsnischal 04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs to be deleted. Its worthless having such an article. It is even shameful to be called as a stub. I think if the PA of India workgroup can do something about this page. Thanks Sushant gupta 07:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a good stub and should never be deleted as it contains vital datas. Many articles on Wikipedia are mere stub and stub is not a criteria for deletion. If there is any other problem with the page like copyright violation, it can be deleted. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 07:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following article has been improved by User:Nichalp. Before that it was in pethitic state. Check out the history of the page. But yes I agree that before comenting I should have tried to improved it. Sushant gupta 15:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This Conservation and India & South Asia related Wikipedia Article had been nominated for deletion as some felt this Natural History of South Asia mailing list / "Natural History Network" is not notable enough to deserve an article on Wikipedia, to the contrary Wikipedia did not find any reason to delete this article and Restored it. For those interested and for a general record, provided here are the links to the deletion debates which this article passed:

• Relisted after first Deletion Review for Second time as AFD, Second detailed AFD Debate result was that the Article indeed merits a place on Wikipedia. "Step - 3 of Deletion Review."
• First Deletion Review after first AFD debate decided to delete, Please click on "SHOW" against the article name to see the full deletion review debate. "Step - 2 of Deletion Review."
• First time around at AFD (Articles for Deletion). "Step - 1 of Deletion Review."

Thanks Atulsnischal 06:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Click for information on animals, 27 Oct, 2004 TIMES NEWS NETWORK

National chemical laboratory's Centre for Biodiversity Informatics, NCBI's IndFauna Website, A Work in Progress currently, also click on "An Appeal" under: IndFauna (Search IndFauna)

Atulsnischal 11:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These are stub class I started, kindly improve when you have time, also enter in all related lists etc.

• Eaglenest Wildlife Sanctuary
• Kawal wildlife sanctuary

Thanks Atulsnischal 09:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I created a template for World Heritage Sites: {{Infobox World Heritage Site}}. Since many protected areas tend to overlap with World Heritage-designated places, will it be possible to re-format the template in the same way as the Level 1, 2, 3... style? In that way, we can prevent too many infoboxes showing repetitive infos. In terms of its relationship with the IUCN protected areas, I found a link: http://whc.unesco.org/cairns/iucn-priorities.pdf (refer to page 15 of this publication/page 17 of the pdf file). Hope you can help in improving the template and making it more relevant to readers. Thanks. Joey80 13:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Passing on the request from my talk page to more knowledgeable in wiki software etc. Atulsnischal 13:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Saravask:
Excellent work on Climate of India! {{Handshake Award}} I see it is a Selected article candidate. Should be a Featured article as well.
I have been working on Silent Valley National Park and Palani Hills National Park but hit a wall when I get to Climate sections. Real data for those places seems unavailable.

The closest reference source I've found is:
Shea, D.J., and N.A. Sontakke, 1995: The Annual Cycle of Precipitation over the Indian Subcontinent: Daily, Monthly and Seasonal Statistics. TN-401+IA, National Center for Atmospheric Research, 168 pp.
But now how to get it and then what to do with it? Even if I had the data, I'm graphics challenged.

What I ideally want for those articles is just like the Bar graph for Madras

Can you make these graphs and rewrite the climate sections of these articles or even refer this request to some Wiki weather graphics guru who can/will?

Thank You for any help.-Marcus 07:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cc:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Protected areas of India

• ECOZONES OF INDIA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atulsnischal (talk • contribs) 19:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]