Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Dr Rgne

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User:Dr Rgne

Suspected sockpuppeteer
Dr Rgne (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Suspected sockpuppets
41.245.165.140 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
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justinfr (talk/contribs) 12:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence

See WP:ANI#Blocked?. Dr Rgne was blocked for edit warring by User:Garzo. After block, User:41.245.165.140 showed up on ANI to complain about being blocked accidentally because of a shared IP. A look at their contributions (e.g., to Talk:TNA World Heavyweight Championship) indicates they "coincidentally" share the same editing interests. Suggest they're the same and the IP is being used to block-evade.

  • Also, a shared interested in Illyrians [1], which is what Rgne was blocked for.

Note to the above, the way this was worded deliberately makes it look as though I vandalized the page in question. In fact I was involved in a dispute whether to include certain links which had no verification or sources to warrant their inclusion. A user called "Cradel" made racist comments and multi-reverted without citing sources and references. I therefore thought it proper to remove said links until such time as he/she could justify their inclusion with sources, and in doing so, broke the "three-revert rule", thus earning a ban. Shortly after this occurred this "justinfr", whose name does not appear at all in the dispute in question, appears and accuses me of sockpuppetry, attempting to prolong the block. I am sorry if this seems out of turn, but I do not find this at all coincidental. Likewise his/her "discovery" of my edits came about through his/her "just frequenting the wiki:ani" page. Certainly only wikipedia administrators and people accused of wrongdoing would go there? What possible interest is it of "justinfr", unless he/she is acquainted with another party in this issue? Dr Rgne (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say you vandalized anything, I said you were blocked for edit warring, which is what it says in the block log. I have no opinion on the content of Illyrians, only in people (seemingly) evading blocks. If you review my contributions, you'll see I've posted on WP:AN/WP:ANI before and have had no previous interaction with User:Cradel. If you don't believe me, please feel free to file your own report. As I said, your contributions look similar. You've disputed this. I'll await an administrator or checkuser to come along and make a decision. justinfr (talk/contribs) 16:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

As noted on various other talk pages, this IP address is shared by thousands of people, who have a common provider. The IP address also tends to change every few days, done so by the provider, and not by the users. The fact that 2 people have similar interests is hardly the stuff of myth and legend. Do you not know anyone with common interests to your own? This accusation is just harassment. 41.245.165.140 (talk) 13:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it appears that what that user was blocked for had no warning preceding it, whereas people guilty of breaking the same "three-revert rule" went unblocked, and have continued to vandalize articles since! I have also queried the blocker about this, and have yet to receive a response. I have looked through the edit logs of this IP, and see that some person or people have vandalized pages as well. But it is unfair to block an entire IP range because of this. 41.245.165.140 (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If a block was unfair, you should dispute it using the {{unblock}} template on your user page, not by using an IP address to circumvent that block. You can dispute the similar contributions evidence, but a checkuser will tell us for sure. justinfr (talk/contribs) 14:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, my turn to speak. I am on, as someone else stated, a shared IP address. Thus anything that I do, and am "punished" for, anyone with my same IP will suffer for. Do I regret the three-revert transgression? Well, I would had the admin who blocked me warned me upfront about it. I suppose I should have read up and known about it, but never got around to it. Now, as for this, "justinfr", I did seriously consider reporting him on an admin page, but really could not be bothered. If this person has nothing better to do than go around laying accusations against people, there is nothing I can say about it really. What's more although he provides links to "verify" similarities, in the case of TNA World Heavyweight Championship, note my edits...I voted on the discussion page to begin the TNA World Title lineage with Kurt Angle as of June 2007, whereas the other person on this IP range appears to desire to begin the TNA World Title lineage with Ken Shamrock as of June 2002! So justinfr is only FIVE YEARS out with his/her accusation there! Likewise, anyone with any common sense who has studied the Balkans will dispute the "Albanians are the direct descendants of the Illyrians, and Albanian is the modern form Illyrian" claim. Note that Cradel, sorry I mean justinfr, ALSO triple-reverted those articles. That is why I did so. As he/she did it without blocking or warning, i naively figured I could also. But "Garzo" (who has yet to respond to anyone) blocked me, but not him/her. And in the process blocked everyone else using this internet service provider! "Cradel" also made personal insults and racist comments. I find it highly unlikely that "justinfr" is "just someone who visits wiki:ani" from time to time, and find it far more likely that "justinfr" is either a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of "Cradel". Dr Rgne (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Further to this I have just discovered that "justinfr" has been posting malicious comments about me on another page as well. I sincerely hope this entire ugly issue can be resolved intelligently and swiftly. If I offended anyone by breaking the "three-revert rule" (of which I was unaware prior to breaking it) I apologize. However I feel this person's unhealthy fascination with accusing people of wrongdoing does border on the sick. Dr Rgne (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would be the ANI thread which I linked to above, though I dispute the characterization of my comments as "malicious". justinfr (talk/contribs) 16:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, the IP address in question is in a /16 block (64000 addresses) operated by Telekom South Africa. I have no evidence to support the unusual allegiation that "thousands of people" are using this one address in that block within the short timeframe we're talking about. --Alvestrand (talk) 20:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the confirmation was that there is "no evidence of shared edits". I daresay that you have no evidence that thousands of users are NOT using this IP address. I have in fact edited 2 wikipedia pages today, and each time left behind a separate IP address through no doing of my own. I am also constantly receiving warnings for vandlaism that I know I never did. One check over my edit log and I know for a fact that I never made at least half those edits. I realize this is just my word, and I can' prove that I DIDN'T make those unconstructive edits, but since there appear to be what 64 000 addresses, it is probable that others are using this same IP all the time. 41.245.165.140 (talk) 07:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions

The RFCU from 16 Sep showed no evidence of shared accounts. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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