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04 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Though ByzantineIsNotRoman and SamuelLion1877 don't have any direct overlaps, they both have a near-exclusive focus on wars and battles. They mainly focus on ones in Eastern Europe, the Near East, or the Middle East. For example, SL edited Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) and BINR edited Russo-Turkish War (1686–1700). Both are particularly focused on infobox edits involving results or casualty counts.

I got clued into this after blocking Special:Contributions/2600:6C51:427F:2100:0:0:0:0/64, which was redoing some of SL's edits at Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) after their block (SL's edit on 30 November, SL blocked on 30 November, the IP's edit on 1 December). The same /64 was blocked in August by Materialscientist as an IP sock of ByzantineIsNotRoman. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll post more tomorrow, but before I head off to bed I want to point out that I missed the existence of ByzantineIsRoman, an editor that is also interested in wars/battles from the same regions, and who posted on 1 December at Talk:Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) to support the same infobox casualty edit that SL and the IP were making. The timing of BIR's appearance is suspicious, as it came a day after SL's block, and because BIR had never previously edited that particular talk page or article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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06 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Per admission at ANI. Confirmed by CU evidence. – bradv 03:29, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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06 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Also came up in CU, this is a previous account. – bradv 03:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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06 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Friuli1212's edits involve various changes and deletions of (usually) well-sourced information relating to military history, mostly in North Africa and the Middle East, which is what most of ByzantineIsNotRoman's edits were about too. ByzantineIsNotRoman also edit-warred on some particular articles and Friuli1212 is repeating some of the same reverted changes on some of the same articles.

In particular, see these examples:

R Prazeres (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC) R Prazeres (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I just noticed that there was another sock account, SamuelLion1877 (above), which was blocked along with ByzantineIsNotRoman just before this account was created, which further suggests a WP:BLOCKEVADE. R Prazeres (talk) 05:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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12 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Found via CU. – bradv 05:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC) – bradv 05:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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12 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Duck. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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16 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Kaspersky205 (CA) was created on 12 December, and four minutes after NuancedProwler (CA), who was blocked by Bbb23 (block details) as a suspected sockpuppet of ByzantineIsNotRoman (creation of relevant category), on 15 December; it appears this was due to the activity of Antonio1968x – a confirmed sockpuppet of ByzantineIsNotRoman (relevant category) – in the page Mozambican War of Independence. Antonio1968x (diff1, diff2), NuancedProwler (diff1, diff2, diff3), and Kaspersky205 (diff) have all tried to add the same information to the infobox of the aforementioned article. I could add more. Demetrios1993 (talk) 06:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Blocked and tagged. Leaving the CU request, which seems like a good idea given how quickly this latest one was created. Bbb23 (talk) 13:57, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Confirmed to each other and  Highly likely, just short of confirmed, to the sockmaster:

24 December 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

CaesarsTopGuyngl was created on 17 December 2023, soon after Kaspersky205 (CA) was blocked by Bbb23 as the latest sock of ByzantineIsNotRoman. CaesarsTopGuyngl initially made a few edits to random articles before reinstating Kaspersky205 and IP's edits to the Balkan Wars article. [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]

On 21 December 03:02, four days after creation of the account and after making several more edits to achieve confirmed user status, CaesarsTopGuyngl edited the semi-protected Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) article [15] This had previously been heavily edited by one of BINR's socks SamuelLion1877 and related IP (CA) [16] [17] (which had led to Firefangledfeathers's initial SPI report on BINR). Khirurg (talk) 05:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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19 February 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

A new account created by the end of December, restoring edits [18], [19], [20], [21] of confirmed sockpuppets of ByzantineIsNotRoman [22], [23] (first ever edits in those articles by JeanCesarGraziani). The few articles they edited in the topic area (including their very first article [24]) match the previous sockpuppet narrow interests [25]. Vanezi (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC) Vanezi (talk) 04:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added another month old account who racked up most of its contributions by doing over 400 edits in their own user page [26]. What’s interesting is that the very few article edits they made in this topic area are almost exclusively articles previously edited by the now banned sockpuppet of ByzantineIsNotRoman - and more than that, the interaction analysis shows that both LoneWolf803 and SamuelLion1877 (one of ByzantineIsNotRoman socks) have been pushing the exact same content in both article sock, sock, sock, LoneWolf803, LoneWolf803, and its talk page [27]. Vanezi (talk) 08:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am sorry it has come to this. I genuinely fail to see how any of this you posted is reasonable evidence to back up your allegations. I read and noticed a few (3) coincidental edit overlaps with the sock users you mentioned, in which case I apologize for the confusion and in the future I would be more than happy and willing to expand my editing range, but that is a separate issue entirely. I have attempted twice 1 2 to compromise, be civil, and reason with you. I even reverted my edit here 3 at the anthro disasters article upon learning of the sock edit and the inflation that my edit caused. I also (in line with your edits) removed the nation of Armenia as a perpetrator for the persecution of Ottoman Muslims 4 since it wouldn't be accurate to list the modern Armenian nation as responsible for actions committed by (some) Armenian auxiliaries/gangs/irregulars in Russian and French service. Again, I apologize for the accidental restoration edits of a sock user, I genuinely had no clue and am still learning many basics of Wikipedia editing. With all due respect, this feels either like a simple misunderstanding or an attempt to maliciously retaliate over an editing dispute. I kindly ask that you reconsider. Thank you. JeanCesarGraziani (talk) 07:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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