Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zambian Music Blog

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:13, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor music blog, not yet notable per WP:WEB or WP:GNG. I can't find substantial coverage of it online in WP:Reliable sources: the best I could come up with was passing mentions here and here. It's true that it can be difficult to find sources online for Zambian topics, but a blog should be rather easier. The Mighty Glen (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep the nominator says It's true that it can be difficult to find sources online for Zambian topics. Very true but that website is very notable in the country Zambia it's not mentioned in other Zambian websites cause people in Zambia don't want to see other process in life and so the fact that it even has other sites as refs not only minor mentions its a big deal in such a case in Zambia you can mark my words on that. By the way this has been here since 2016 where is ther people reviewed it he should be questioned for letting it pass after 2yrs. I think just let it be. ChaloNiZambia (talk) 17:22, 11 April 2018 (UTC) — ChaloNiZambia (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

It's interesting that you should mention the length of time the article has existed as a reason to keep it, because the article's creator replied with something quite similar when the notice of this discussion was given at their talk page, just before you created this account. Are you by any chance the same person? If so, then please take a moment to read WP:Multiple accounts. Thank you. The Mighty Glen (talk) 23:47, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Mighty Glen same person with who? ChaloNiZambia (talk) 04:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has the same person used the accounts User:ChaloNiZambia and User:Icem4k? The Mighty Glen (talk) 07:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Mighty Glen No sir am not not even close. My real names are Peter Kasuba do I have to post my ID as proof as well? ChaloNiZambia (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, and thank you Mr. Kasuba for confirming. Another reason I asked is that there seems to be a bit of a bunfight between a small group of editors at Zambian Music Blog and Echo music blog. User:Icem4k, creator of the ZMB article, nominated the EMB article for deletion at WP:Articles for deletion/Echo music blog a few days ago. The creator of the EMB article User:Blessingmuchuu then proposed the ZMB article for deletion on the grounds of the article being promotional: [1]. The two article creators are discussing the matter at Icem4k's talk page, and my rationale for deletion above (on grounds of notability) is now being used by Icem4k at that discussion. You then requested deletion of EMB on the grounds of promotion, at WP:Articles for deletion/Echo music blog, and nearly all your edits so far have been at the two AFD discussions, which is most unusual for a new account. With this in mind, you can surely forgive me for simply asking the question. The Mighty Glen (talk) 07:39, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Mighty Glen Thank you for that conformation and am happy to clarify that and this is my first official account I used to edit as an unregistered user where the IP address is shown I wanted to comment here and I saw that unregistered users vote will not be counted so I registered that how I got here am just here for clean ups. I have been reading the Wikipedia and its guidelines for sometime now. PK YellowWisdom (talk) 08:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: If This article is up to be deleted then should these ones as well:
  :# BellaNaija
  :# Black20
  :# Comedy.com
  :# Network2.tv
  :# Openfilm
  :# Cybergrass
  :# Drummerworld This article relies largely or entirely on a single source . (June 2014)
  :# FREE!MUSIC only one ref and gets just a warning The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations.
  :# Groovera. The list goes on....
  :My point is just because he it's African and you want to bring it down I have been reading through and I don't see advertisements type of language it sounds neutral am use he could have written more now even as the nominator has mentioned its hard to get online refs in Zambia funny thing is that it has now some of the sites I have mentioned don't have any which is very sad and also because it's from the Western or European country it stays but if you from Attica or India you people just attack. I hope it will be kept Thank you.ChaloNiZambia (talk) 21:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the nomination was not about the article being promotional, but about its WP:Notability. The Mighty Glen (talk) 07:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ChaloNiZambia: Article subject need substantial coverage in "reliable sources" (independent on the subject of the article and with editorial oversight: eg. published/online magazines with editorial staff would be good sources, mere blogs not; see WP:RS for more info). Best source I see in the article is a passing mention in Zambia Daily Mail, which is not enough to demonstrate "notability". That other articles are bad certainly is not good argument for AfD (see WP:OSE essay). Pavlor (talk) 09:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: fails WP:NWEB. It's just a simple music blog in Zambia. And on google this article ranks number one, not for the blog its self but for the search term "Zambian music" as a result, anyone who looks for Zambian music on wikipedia is redirected to Zambian music blog, which then takes a user to the website. In simple term, this takes visitors from wikipedia to the blog itself. "no reliable sources", apart from a mare mention by another music blog Afrofire.com which could have been arranged for the purpose of this article passing WP:RS.No matter the way it seems there is no way this articles follows the notability, its WP:PROMO in nature we all know that.Megatech15 (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Am the creator of this page and to be honest the time I created this article I didn't think it will make it this far I knew that it will be selected for deletion one day after I read through some of the policies and guidelines that wikipidea has, and as for the vote for delete by Megatech15 that's just a user who is pissed off that I tagged his article for deletion and so since his website EMB and ZMB do kind of the same thing he doesn't want to go down alone so he wants to pull this as well more like saying if I can't be here so should this one and FYI if you check the talk page here you will see that he made a number requests EMB but was declined. As for ChaloNiZambia that's just another typical Zambian type of thinking in line with Megatech15 bring him/her down. I don't even know how this got out of hand. Thank you! Chabota Kanguya (talk) 06:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Icem4k: You are right the blogs kind of do the same thing. But this is nothing personal, its about following wikipedia policies and rules. Looking at the articles we all besically had written the same thing and none of this would have happened if you didn't nominate the page for EMB up for deletion in the first place. So what ever happens I am cool with it, but there is no way the article would be deleted and ZMB to remain when it doesn't also follow wikipedia guidelines and fails the WP:NWEB. Just try and improve it because they are no shortcuts with wikipedia when it comes to WP:Notability. Megatech15 13:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Blessingmuchuu (talk • contribs)

• Delete Completely sourced from combination of unreliable vanity blogs and self-reference. No evidence of notability, no decent sources. The author himself admits he is just testing our understanding of notability to see whether the page will be deleted. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:35, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.