Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vibroweapon
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge into Star Wars melee weapons – clear consensus against deletion and for a merge. KrakatoaKatie 22:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cruft, pure and simple, disregards WP:FICT. I could cite the numerous fictional weapons pages that have been deleted, but that's a waste of time- in short, non-notable element of the Star Wars franchise, fails to distinguish between fact and fiction (entirely in-universe). David Fuchs (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC) David Fuchs (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, though tentative. I won't let myself by biased by the fact that I'm the creator of the article; instead, I think it could be made worthy through the use of sources. Vibroweapons are prominent in the Expanded Universe books, and are also featured widely in the KotOR series as one of the few weapons able to resist lightsabers (which is notable in-universe). So, in short, I guess all it needs is more sourcing.Changing to Merge due to lack of sourcing. Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]Delete as non-notable.Merge with List of Star Wars melee weapons. I'd like to think I'm a fan of the Star Wars films and I had to read the article to see what this even was. -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:11, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- To be fair, there is a lot more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies... see Star Wars Expanded Universe. Not to list too much, but there have been games, comic books, etc. Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Even as such, I'm sticking by my vote. The weapon seems non-notable. If there was an article such as "weapons in Star Wars" you could maybe give a summary for it, but it doesn't seem notable in and of itself. -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To be fair, there is a lot more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies... see Star Wars Expanded Universe. Not to list too much, but there have been games, comic books, etc. Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KeepMerge. This is a fairly well-written and informative article, and no less worthy of being kept than the Lightsaber article. Unless somebody does create a 'weapons in Star Wars' article as Redfarmer suggested, I say keep. Alloranleon (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- I'd disagree about it being as notable as lightsaber. Lightsaber has actually come into common cultural usage since the original film was released. I wonder how many casual Star Wars would know what this was without looking it up? -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note there is a Star Wars weapons article; here. Also, Redfarmer; how would you define a casual Star Wars fan? Someone who's just seen the movies? Because you could easily read some of the books and be a casual fan... Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, you could read the books and still be a casual fan. That point does not make the weapon notable, however. As you yourself pointed out, there is an existing article which summarizes various weapons used in the Star Wars universe. With the possible exception of the lightsaber, I think that's where summaries of Star Wars weapons should go. -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- True, the lightsaber is more widely-known, but anyone who's played any recent Star Wars video games will know what it is. Still, since there is a relevant article on Star Wars weapons, it should probably be merged after all. Alloranleon (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment here: the point is not to argue obscurity. I might never have heard of James Madison if I'm a poorly schooled kid outside the U.S. (or inside for that matter). The issue is the lack of sources, the in-universe nature, and the game-guidish writing. I didn't nom' it 'cause I've never heard of it (I have). David Fuchs (talk) 20:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I did a Google for it, searched the Star Wars databank, and I'm not getting much in the way of internet sources... I'll get started on making the article into a merge-able form so that it can be integrated into Star Wars melee weapons. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As I say, it would be best to merge the article with the list of Star Wars weapons, although there is a fair bit of information in the Vibroweapon article, and it might not fit too well. So, either keep it as it is, or merge, but don't delete. This is an encyclopedia, after all. Alloranleon (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll wait for the AFD to run its course; if the result is delete, then I'll clean up all the Whatlinkshere stuff and merge them. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As I say, it would be best to merge the article with the list of Star Wars weapons, although there is a fair bit of information in the Vibroweapon article, and it might not fit too well. So, either keep it as it is, or merge, but don't delete. This is an encyclopedia, after all. Alloranleon (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I did a Google for it, searched the Star Wars databank, and I'm not getting much in the way of internet sources... I'll get started on making the article into a merge-able form so that it can be integrated into Star Wars melee weapons. Master of Puppets Care to share? 21:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment here: the point is not to argue obscurity. I might never have heard of James Madison if I'm a poorly schooled kid outside the U.S. (or inside for that matter). The issue is the lack of sources, the in-universe nature, and the game-guidish writing. I didn't nom' it 'cause I've never heard of it (I have). David Fuchs (talk) 20:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- True, the lightsaber is more widely-known, but anyone who's played any recent Star Wars video games will know what it is. Still, since there is a relevant article on Star Wars weapons, it should probably be merged after all. Alloranleon (talk) 20:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, you could read the books and still be a casual fan. That point does not make the weapon notable, however. As you yourself pointed out, there is an existing article which summarizes various weapons used in the Star Wars universe. With the possible exception of the lightsaber, I think that's where summaries of Star Wars weapons should go. -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note there is a Star Wars weapons article; here. Also, Redfarmer; how would you define a casual Star Wars fan? Someone who's just seen the movies? Because you could easily read some of the books and be a casual fan... Master of Puppets Care to share? 20:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd disagree about it being as notable as lightsaber. Lightsaber has actually come into common cultural usage since the original film was released. I wonder how many casual Star Wars would know what this was without looking it up? -- Redfarmer (talk) 20:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non-notable; this definitely crosses the line into cruft. JJL (talk) 20:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with List of Star Wars melee weapons; per Alloranleon. --Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 21:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Hiding T 23:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with Vibroblade - this isn't unique to Star Wars, but Vibroweapon is more detailed than Vibroblade —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamoche (talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete. Clearly impossible to establish any sort of notability or verify any of the content via reliable, secondary sources. Much of the article looks to be original research. Pure cruftery. Doctorfluffy (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with Star Wars melee weapons; that article is clearly where this belongs. Freederick (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably delete but definitely do not merge to a Star Wars-specific page. The concept of a "vibroweapon" predates Star Wars by several decades. It is a very common theme in an entire genre of science fiction. Vibroblade might be a slightly better target but that page is not in very good shape and I'm skeptical about its potential for improvement. A cross-wiki redirect to wikt:vibroblade might be more sustainable. Rossami (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - This article should be merged with Star Wars melee weapons--Pmedema (talk) 19:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Unless notability can be established. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.