Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States military aid to Israel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus = default KEEP - merging is of course an editorial decision to be worked out on the talk pages -Doc^g 00:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

United States military aid to Israel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

An unprecedented list which seems to be a fork of Israel-United States relations, and which is in any case mostly unsourced, including the central premise. Tewfik^Talk 04:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - WP:POVFORK. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 05:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain what exactly is POV about the article. Thanks ابو علي (Abu Ali) 15:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete pov fork per above. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 05:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. There also doesn't appear to any other "United States military aid to..." type articles for any other country. Certainly a POV Fork of Israel-United States relations <<-armon->> 05:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - looks adequately sourced to me. If some statements are POV, they can surely be addressed by editing rather than deletion. Gatoclass 12:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the subject of US military aid to Israel is significantly developed enough that I believe it can sustain its own article away from the one on relations. The central premise is easy to confirm, here's a source [1]. If there's any problems with POV content, fix that. Not that I see any, but whatever FrozenPurpleCube 15:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• KeepArticle has enough sourced material to deserve it's own article. Not an inherently POV article but rather an expansion of a section of Israel-United States relations. Any POV in article can be cleaned up. Davewild 16:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — The article obviously needs work, and it should be supplemented with an article about the enormous U.S. foreign aid to Eygpt. — RJH (talk) 19:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and merge anything useful into Israel-United States relations. The article is mostly a list of donated weapons and a couple of tables; there is not enough cited text to justify the existence of a separate article. Beit Or 20:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and merge agree with Beit. --St.daniel ^talk 20:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom. Kuratowski's Ghost 22:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and merge per Beit Or. -- Karl Meier 23:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete KazakhPol 06:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and merge with Israel-United States relations. Khorshid 10:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Davewild. But the article must be better sourced. Biophys 16:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Khorshid. -t h b 20:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete poorly sourced POV fork--Sefringle 21:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The information can be sourced easily, and the introduction can easily be reworded. There is nothing inherently POV about the title. -Fsotrain⁰⁹ 01:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. -- Carom 14:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, per Davewild. nadav 01:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per FrozenPurpleCube. → Aktar ^{(talk • contribs)} — 11:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletions. IZAK 07:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and Merge to Israel-United States relations (which has enough room for such information.) IZAK 07:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and Merge to Israel-United States relations (i.e. delete) per IZAK Zeq 08:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC) 08:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - i'm sure voters for "keep" would vote delete if it were a "Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and Iranian military aid to Palestinians", article seems like weird POV pushing disregarding Israel's loans, and Israel's part in the creation of new weapons' systems and intelligence related matters etc. etc. i'm thinking that a "Merge" could be appropriate if the material was minimized to not create a non-encyclopedic "Israel gets money!" rant like article... a similar "article" could be made for both Jordan, Egypt (who gets more money than Israel) and Saudi Arabia. Jaakobou 12:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Obvious Delete per nom. Amoruso 13:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to who ever close this afdWe need to look into these votes. Are they for encyclopedic or political reasons ? I suggest that you carefully rad the arguments to keep or to delete . Especially look at merge as there is already article that include this very subject. Zeq 14:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It is hard for me to understand why US aid to Israel which amounts to roughly $5bn per year is (more than any other country) is not notable. There are 5 references in the article. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 15:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The issue is that this is merely a list of American-made things. Their use by Israel, and more importantly, their supply as part of some aid package, are not sourced, and those are the central theses of the list, which also has no precedent. The sourcing that exists is for tidbits of information that already exists or can easily be merged into Israel-United States relations. Tewfik^Talk 22:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and merge into Israel-United States relations; seems like a pretty pointless article by itself. Number 57 15:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - reads like a polemic, is full of unsourced assertions, and blatantly tries to make a political point. --Leifern 22:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, redirect and smerge the useful material into Israel-United States relations. gidonb 22:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete All relevant information can be farmed out to the appropriate articles. IronDuke 23:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. Obvious pov fork.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.