Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 76 (2nd nomination)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was DELETE. WP:NOT#CBALL. ChrisO 22:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
AfDs for this article:
I recently performed cleanup on this article and it's left with essentially nothing. The event is a long way off and WP:NOT#CBALL applies here. This event deserves an article, just not now. east.718 11:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Yes the article as of now is a stub, however, there is verifiable information about this upcoming events, especially with the news source given in the article. I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, however we do have articles for other upcoming events see Wrestlemania 24 for example, and if this article was to be deleted now, honestly it would be recreated shortly thereafter. Wildthing61476 14:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The news source simply states that UFC 76 will happen. It is also a given that a UFC 80 and 90 will occur, but those don't deserve articles. east.718 17:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Note my above comment about Wrestlemania 24. Again I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but I find it odd that there is about as much information for both events, yet one would never be considered for deletion. My other point is this isn't truly crystal balling as there is a date and a venue set for the event. Wildthing61476 17:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The news source simply states that UFC 76 will happen. It is also a given that a UFC 80 and 90 will occur, but those don't deserve articles. east.718 17:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 15:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment the ref. given says "UFC 76 in Anaheim has not yet finalized its main event" DGG 16:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Deletefor now per nom. hateless 18:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Weak delete. News is actually starting to trickle out, ie, the Oregonian reported the date of the event and one participant but not the name, LA Times reported the place and month and not much else, etc. Rumor sites below the threshold of WP:RS has the complete info save confirmed matchups. I don't doubt the date and location is correct but strictly operating under WP's policies, they should not be here as it stands currently. hateless 20:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, because barring some unexpected WTH like the UFC folds, UFC 76, the 76th event of arguably the most prominent mixed martial arts organization in the world, will happen. And as the event nears, the article will only become more referenced and fleshed in, so simply too early to delete an article that will only improve and will only increase in justification for its existence. --164.107.222.23 20:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The policies of WP, especially WP:NOT#CBALL, expressly state that the standards of inclusion is above simply being inevitable. The reason we don't tolerate articles like UFC 80 is because they'll have no content other than pure speculation. hateless 21:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Can I ask what the difference between this event and a future WWE pay per view or other future sporting event is? I'm a deletionist by nature, but I just find it odd that an event such as UFC, with verifiable date and location information is not considered worthy of an article, yet you look at future Wrestlemanias or Royal Rumbles, with NO information other than where it's being held and what day it is (obviously matches for these shows wont be done until next year) are kept. In the case of the '08 Rumble, all that is there is a date at this time. I'd just like to know what the reasoning is that's all. One last thing to add, according to WP:NOT#CBALL "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." I'm thinking that this easily meets both since UFC is notable, and also as stated above, unless something extremely odd occurs in the next 2-3 months, this event WILL happen. Wildthing61476 21:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The key phrase I'm looking at is this: "Individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, preassigned to future events or discoveries, are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item" (my bold). For UFC events, I would think there should be at the least be a confirmed location, date and time, confirmed by the UFC themselves or at the least strongly asserted by a reliable source. The difference between the UFC and WWE is that there is plenty of lead time between announcement and the event itself, ie, they will announce the place and date of the next Wrestlemania right after they held the last one, whereas the UFC just announced UFC 74 today, which will happen in 2 months. They also announced UFC 75 a week or two before they announced UFC 74, so their event booking staff isn't the smoothest ship in the ocean apparently. Personally, I think all the WWE events that don't have a place and time should be sent to prod or afd. hateless 21:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree on all points. east.718 13:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The key phrase I'm looking at is this: "Individual items from a predetermined list or a systematic pattern of names, preassigned to future events or discoveries, are not suitable article topics, if only generic information is known about the item" (my bold). For UFC events, I would think there should be at the least be a confirmed location, date and time, confirmed by the UFC themselves or at the least strongly asserted by a reliable source. The difference between the UFC and WWE is that there is plenty of lead time between announcement and the event itself, ie, they will announce the place and date of the next Wrestlemania right after they held the last one, whereas the UFC just announced UFC 74 today, which will happen in 2 months. They also announced UFC 75 a week or two before they announced UFC 74, so their event booking staff isn't the smoothest ship in the ocean apparently. Personally, I think all the WWE events that don't have a place and time should be sent to prod or afd. hateless 21:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Can I ask what the difference between this event and a future WWE pay per view or other future sporting event is? I'm a deletionist by nature, but I just find it odd that an event such as UFC, with verifiable date and location information is not considered worthy of an article, yet you look at future Wrestlemanias or Royal Rumbles, with NO information other than where it's being held and what day it is (obviously matches for these shows wont be done until next year) are kept. In the case of the '08 Rumble, all that is there is a date at this time. I'd just like to know what the reasoning is that's all. One last thing to add, according to WP:NOT#CBALL "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." I'm thinking that this easily meets both since UFC is notable, and also as stated above, unless something extremely odd occurs in the next 2-3 months, this event WILL happen. Wildthing61476 21:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The policies of WP, especially WP:NOT#CBALL, expressly state that the standards of inclusion is above simply being inevitable. The reason we don't tolerate articles like UFC 80 is because they'll have no content other than pure speculation. hateless 21:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete crystal ball Thesaddestday 01:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- bundling an article I know it's late in the game, but the same reasoning applies. I'm bundling in UFC 77.--Chaser - T 07:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That article was deleted just three days ago because of crystal balling. The current version is a hoax. east.718 11:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.