Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommy e Oscar

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The result was redirect‎ to Rainbow S.p.A.#Television series. Clear consensus against a standalone article, no rebuttal to a redirect specifically. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:37, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy e Oscar

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No indication of being notable. Previously deleted per prod and undelete with the mess left on mainspace. Previous message is still valid. Appears to fail WP:NTV, nothing found in a WP:BEFORE to establish notability which is has been tagged for since 2020 scope_creep^Talk 11:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As a cartoon series of 52 episodes that aired nationally (edit: internationally actually) one would think that this should be notable, but since yesterday I've been trying really hard to find some actual sources on this, and couldn't. Information in the article is unverifiable.—Alalch E. 11:05, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean there are some tv-guide sources like [1] and [2] —Alalch E. 11:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also the series is noteworthy as the first cartoon of Rainbow S.p.A. which subsequently created the mega popular Winx franchise —Alalch E. 11:24, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Comics and animation, and Italy. Shellwood (talk) 11:26, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:NTV and WP:GNG DonaldD23 talk to me 13:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: here are 4 refs behind a paywall; I can only see summaries:[3]

Corriere della Sera (via the Wikipedia Library) has something at [4] but I can't get it to load.

One of the article's refs[5] is from Film.it. which redirects to La Stampa. Film.it is also connected to Il Secolo XIX

Another Italian ref:[6] it.wikipedia uses La Folla del XXI Secolo as a ref for several articles; we don't. Article is comprehensive and bylined. Editorial oversight uncertain. Independent, not churnalism.

There's more to check at the Google.it search for Italian-only URLs: [7]

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:06, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did do a search on search on several Italian sites, but it was a mixed back of mostly profile and short descriptions. Nothing of depth. There is 52 episodes on it, so there should writeups, reviews that sort of thing, but I couldn't see much. It seems to be all listing sites. scope_creep^Talk 22:10, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen all of those articles I think while searching for sources after the article was restored. La Folla del XXI Secolo doesn't have editorial oversight. —Alalch E. 22:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The programmme was created at the turn of the century. If there is anything, it will mentioned in Google Books, perhaps a review of the work, if it has lasting impact. scope_creep^Talk 07:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Rainbow S.p.A. § Television series as an inevitable last resort. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 22:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.