Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Bayliss

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus that the subject does not meet WP:NFOOTY. Redirect can be implemented after deletion if desired. ansh666 05:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Bayliss

Tom Bayliss (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Scrapes past NFOOTY but fails GNG. 1 substitute appearance is unlikely to generate sufficient coverage to pass. Topics specific guidelines do not trump GNG. looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON Domdeparis (talk) 23:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect to Coventry City F.C.. Fails GNG. Very much a case of too soon. ^{My name is}not^dave (talk/contribs) 07:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has played senior international football, in a fully professional league or in a match in the competition proper (i.e. not qualifying rounds) of a cup competition which involved two teams both from FPLs. Fenix down (talk) 11:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I don't agree with the "1 sub appearance isn't enough" argument since it's no better than the guideline in being conclusory and, unlike the guideline, does not have the mandate of the community. That being said, the single appearance was in the third-tier cup competition against a U21 team. So that is not two pro teams, but a pro team against a youth team. RonSigPi (talk) 00:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear about my nomination, it is not that 1 sub appearance in a qualifying match (which this one wasn't if I understand rightly) is not enough to pass the topic specific guideline, it clearly is but what i am saying is in accordance with the statement in the FAQs here Wikipedia:Notability_(sports) which state

  A1: The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from reliable sources are available, given sufficient time to locate them. Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not he/she has attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline

My reasoning is that there is no strong reason to believe that 1 substitute appearance has generated sufficient coverage. None have been provided so I believe that there is no reason to keep this article. It is WP:TOOSOON for me. When the player has opened for the 1st team in a fully pro senior match then it is possible that coverage exists over and above routine match coverage. Domdeparis (talk) 11:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I don't believe the single appearance in the EFL Trophy match can be viewed as satisfying NFOOTBALL per Domdeparis above (Premier League Academy teams cannot realistically be viewed as "fully-pro sides"). Moreover, even if we assume that the match is sufficient for NFOOTBALL purposes, we have a long-standing precedent at AfD to delete these kinds of articles where a footballer only has a handful of minutes of play and its clear the article cannot satisfy the GNG (e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wouter Soomer). Jogurney (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I don't think that an EFL Trophy match qualifies for the SNG; 2017–18 EFL Trophy says that it includes Premier League and Championship "B Teams". power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:24, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.