Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Pearce

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The result was delete. Clear consensus the content isnt to be kept but no clear consensus on a redirect. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Pearce

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Article mentions his claim to fame as being that he umpired three test matches and nothing else, and Googling ' "Terry Pearce" umpire' (just googling the name comes up with other people) mostly links to mirror sites of the article. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 09:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 09:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If nothing can be found on this guy, then redirect to List of Test cricket umpires, per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R#KEEP and WP:CHEAP. I'll drop a note on the talkpage of a few editors who may (or may not) be able to locate local sources. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your message. I'm away from home for a few days and don't have access to my library. Not sure whether Who's Who in New Zealand would have covered him (if yes, that's a pretty sure sign that GNG is met). I've had a look what I could find online and it's documented in my sandbox; it's not much at all. From about 1933, there is a Trevor Pearce who was reasonably prominent in Putāruru in the South Waikato but I could not determine that we are talking about the same person. I suspect that it's a different person because there is mention of service in WW2 and our Pearce does not show up in the list of soldiers held by the Auckland War Memorial Museum. Sorry that I can't be of more help. Schwede 66 19:17, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taken a look and apart from a workplace accident and mention of him being appointed to umpire a Plunket Shiled match in 1952, I can't find anything useful. NealeWellington (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, due to failing WP:GNG. Redirect is not suitable, as other non-notable Terry Pearce's are mentioned at Hampstead Scientific Society#Hampstead Observatory, 2016 World Masters Athletics Championships Men#M60 2000 metres steeplechase, Australia at the 1992 Paralympic Games for Persons with Mental Handicap#Futsal, and 2015 Bracknell Forest Borough Council election. BilledMammal (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and New Zealand. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's a decent stub now. Sammyrice (talk) 00:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree; this stub tells us almost nothing about him. Anyway, what matters is passing GNG/BASIC, which the sources do not. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 08:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would have thought that being a Test match umpire confers notability. Then, provided that the article has his full name, birth and death details, and the important details of his career, as with this one now, that constitutes an acceptable stub, and should be retained because it provides valuable information for anyone seeking it. Sammyrice (talk) 23:37, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't. See WP:WHYN (and other relevant policies and guidelines); only adequate sources can confer notability. Even if the cricket SNG offered a robust presumption of notability (it doesn't), significant coverage in reliable sources would still be required. Further, we could provide the same basic information about almost everyone on the planet; what we have here is a directory (or database) entry, nothing more. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG/BASIC, per my comment above, due to lack of any significant coverage. We have three all-inclusive database sources that do not contribute to establishing notability (i.e. cricinfo and cricketarchive profiles/listings, plus a scorecard), and a solitary book source (Neely & Payne) that I do not have access to; even if this contained significant coverage rather than a passing mention (which I doubt, given the lack of content being reference from it), it would still not be enough to pass GNG/BASIC. Due to the existence of other (possibly more notable) people of the same name, a redirect seems inappropriate as readers would be unlikely to be looking for this one; however, a redirect of Terry Pearce (umpire) may be appropriate. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 08:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find more than passing mentions or stats of the games he was part of under Terry or Trevor. While the book may have some more depth, I don't think it will be enough on its own unless another source is found. Happy to reassess if others find more sources.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 14:44, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC. Additional sources to establish notability could not be found. NiklausGerard (talk) 23:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Test cricket umpires Doesn't look to be enough for a GNG pass in this situation. Obviously he was a test cricket umpire in the 50s, we have a list of test cricket umpires where he is included, so redirect to that list per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:19, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is apparent that this person is no more notable than any of the other people named Terry Pearce who are mentioned across WP, and probably almost every other Terry Pearce who is not. A redlink or disambiguation page is preferable when there is nothing to suggest readers would be looking for this particular Terry Pearce. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there are other Terry Pearce's or those with very similar names, I'd support this being turned into a disambiguation page, with a link for this person to his listing at the List of Test Umpires page. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Sammyrice. As he says, this is now a decent WP:STUB which should be kept in compliance with WP:PRESERVE, a key component of the site's editing policy. GNG is only a guideline. NGS ^{Shakin' All Over} 11:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 11:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Alvaldi (talk) 13:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Having weighed this up, we are talking about a Test umpire here who umpired in one of New Zealand's most historically significant matches. If he had only umpired at domestic level, I'd veer toward a redirect, but as he is an international umpire that elevants his notability. StickyWicket (talk) 08:09, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your rationale is a bare assertion of notability with zero basis in policies or guidelines. If his role in that match was significant (possibly making him notable) there would be coverage – where is it? _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 08:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I think by now you probably know my feelings toward policies and guidelines! StickyWicket (talk) 12:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Test cricket umpires as suggested by Lugnuts. Doesn't look like there's enough for GNG here. This assumes, of course, that the list article is intended to be exhaustive rather than a list of notable examples. If the latter, Delete. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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