Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taichung Dreamers Academy

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The result was keep. ✗plicit 10:02, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable.......academy team for a Taiwanese basketball club? No English-language references, none found while searching for WP:BEFORE that aren't either Wiki links or casual references to the team existing. fuzzy510 (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Basketball and Taiwan. fuzzy510 (talk) 09:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The Chinese name for the subject appears to be ​臺中市夢想家青年隊 from their website Justiyaya 11:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:58, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per overwhelming (on second thought there isn't a lot but I would still argue there is enough for GNG) amount of reliable Chinese lang sources. See below for specific sources. Justiyaya 12:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • ETtoday probably reliable per RSPS, title: "[Taichung] Dreamers Academy tryouts opening on the 19th, zh:萧顺议 joining"

China Times (China Times) "Taichung Dreamers Academy founded, Lu Shiow-yen: 'kids chasing the basketball dream'" never mind this one does not seem reliable per Chinese RSPS

Liberty Times source appears to be currently discussed in Chinese RSPS I'm going to assume that it is reliable. Title "Taichung Dreamers Academy Youth won 3 times consecutively, (persons name) won MVP" Justiyaya 12:41, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the volume of Chinese language refs counts for little if they don't support notability. This team shows no evidence in the English text of the article of demonstrating notability. The club has had no success at national or international level. It appears to be like many other amateur clubs which all fall way below the bar of notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   14:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  
  Analysis of sources

  The subject has received coverage in multiple national sources such as Central News Agency, China Times, Liberty Times, and SET News. Most of the sources are from June 2020 when the team was established. But the team has since received significant coverage in July 2020 and September 2021.

  The July 2020 source from China Times notes from Google Translate, ""Taichung City Dreamers Youth Team" has performed brilliantly since its formation in June this year. It has won the first two rounds of the "3X3.EXE International Basketball League Competition" in the South Division. The third round of the South Division was held at WeSport Stadium in Kaohsiung yesterday. It was held, and the fighting spirit of the whole team was high. In the final 21 points, they won the Star Dynamic Galaxy Brigade Station, and won the third round championship. Player Wu Yanlun also won the MVP."

  The September 2021 article from Liberty Times notes, "Taichung Dreamer Youth Team is composed of players from Yishou University. In the first two rounds, they defeated Kaohsiung Fuming International xTGF in the Southern Championship. Today, they advanced to the semi-finals in the cross-regional competition, and once again beat their old enemy Kaohsiung Fuming International xTGF."

  I agree with the above "delete" voter that "The club has had no success at national or international level." However, there is no requirement in the notability guidelines for a team to have had success at "national or international level". The team meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline through coverage in at least four national Taiwanese sources at the time of its founding in June 2020 followed by significant coverage in July 2020 and September 2021 in two national sources.

  According to 謝岱穎 2021, from Google Translate, "The Formosa Taishin Dreamers basketball team has been cultivating in Central Taiwan for nearly four years. In June last year, it established the "Taichung Dreamers Academy" to actively cultivate the children of Central Taiwan." Even if Taichung Dreamers Academy were not notable, deletion would not be the most appropriate action. A merge to Formosa Taishin Dreamers per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion would be the better approach.

  Sources

  1. June 2020 sources:
     1. 潘泓鈺 (2020-06-15). "ABL／夢想家青年隊選拔賽19日開跑　蕭順議入列測試 原文網址: ABL／夢想家青年隊選拔賽19日開跑　蕭順議入列測試". ETtoday [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     2. "ABL》夢想家青年隊選拔名單出爐 乙組黑馬、UBA頂尖好手入列". Liberty Times (in Chinese). 2020-06-24. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     3. "ABL》夢想家青年隊選拔賽中台灣點燃戰火 名單中強將如雲". Liberty Times (in Chinese). 2020-06-15. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     4. 陳世宗 (2020-06-10). "台中市夢想家青年隊成軍 盧秀燕：孩子盡情追求籃球夢". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     5. "籃球》台中市夢想家青年隊成軍　6月19、20日選訓賽登場" (in Chinese). LTSports. 2020-06-10. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     6. 張雅筑 (2020-06-21). "選拔台中夢想家青年隊　看見熱血…李昱叡：支持年輕人追夢" (in Chinese). SET News. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     7. 黃巧雯 (2020-06-10). "台中市夢想家青年隊成軍 19日辦選訓賽" (in Chinese). Central News Agency. Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     8. 楊文琳 (2020-06-10). "台中市夢想家青年隊成軍 多元方式助籃球好手築夢踏實". Up Media [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     9. 曾思儒 (2020-06-24). "籃球／夢想家青年隊 曾柏諭、林信寬都入列". United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2020-11-21. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     10. 劉肇育 (2020-06-18). "SBL／斑霸好忙 九太測試完 再找夢想家". United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2020-09-18. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     11. 喻文玟 (2020-06-10). "籃球／台中紮根！市府與寶島夢想家合作青年隊". United Daily News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2021-04-20. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  2. July 2020 source:
     1. 陳世宗 (2020-07-26). "3X3.EXE聯盟賽 台中市夢想家青年隊3連霸". China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
  3. September and October 2021 sources:
     1. 梁偉銘 (2021-09-25). "籃球》台中夢想家青年隊連3冠 劉承彥獲MVP". Liberty Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.
     2. 謝岱穎 (2021-10-08). "台新夢想家落腳洲際迷你蛋　當中信兄弟鄰居". tsna.com (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2022-05-22. Retrieved 2022-05-22.

        The article provides one sentence of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "台新夢想家籃球隊於中部深耕近四年，去年六月更成立「台中市夢想家青年隊」，積極培育中部在地子弟兵，"

        The article notes from Google Translate: "The Formosa Taishin Dreamers basketball team has been cultivating in Central Taiwan for nearly four years. In June last year, it established the "Taichung Dreamers Academy" to actively cultivate the children of Central Taiwan."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Taichung Dreamers Academy (traditional Chinese: ​臺中市夢想家青年隊; simplified Chinese: ​台中市梦想家青年队) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't think I would be the person to handle it, because of a stunning lack of ability to parse through anything not in English, but merging to Formosa Taishin Dreamers seems perfectly reasonable to me. -fuzzy510 (talk) 01:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my review of the sources, there is enough coverage to establish independent notability and to support a standalone article. A merge would either result in the loss of sourced material to comply with Wikipedia:Due weight or would result in undue content being added to Formosa Taishin Dreamers. Cunard (talk) 01:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Formosa Taishin Dreamers as per fuzzy510 above. --Whiteguru (talk) 01:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: to allow time for consensus to form on whether the proposed merger target is appropriate or not
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I am confident the sourcing by Cunard demonstrates this article meets WP:GNG and hence warrants its own stand alone article. MaxnaCarter (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Cunard. Uncontroversially so, I'd say, given the sources surfaced. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Cunard. Nice work! Taung Tan (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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