Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suleman Dawood

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Shahzada Dawood. WP:SNOW: clear consensus to redirect to his father. Leaving it open any longer will not net a different outcome. Anarchyte (talk) 09:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suleman Dawood

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Typical WP:BLP1E article. Suggest a redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident. Edwardx (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support and hopefully a speedy deletion. Killuminator (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - There is nothing noteworthy about this article that is not in Shahzada Dawood, except for personal subjects such as interests and schooling. With all due respect. Usedbook (talk) 22:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While the other passengers were notable due to lasting coverage of their activities, this was a 19-year-old university student who really had no opportunity to gain WP:SIGCOV before his death. Lettler^{hello • contribs} 22:13, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - WP:BLP1E. We don't have Wikipedia pages for every person killed on 9/11 - we don't need this. Schierbecker (talk) 22:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. There is nothing of significance in the Suleman Dawood page that already isn't present in the 2023 Titan submersible incident or Shahzada Dawood pages. Noahpeaslee11 (talk) 22:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect (in)to Shahzada Dawood. Because article is based on multiple reliable sources a redirect should be kept. Information about him that can easily be moved and even expanded in the family section of Shahzada Dawood. 109.38.140.242 (talk) 22:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non notable. Being a victim of an accident doesn't make someone notable.Canuck85 (talk) 22:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Pakistan, and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:22, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to either 2023 Titan submersible incident or Shahzada Dawood. Keivan.f^Talk 22:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not to diminish his tragic death, but he seems far less notable than his father, who admittedly doesn't seem particularly notable himself. While I don't believe we need to delete the Shahzada Dawood article, there isn't much to Suleman's article beyond him being a college student and son of someone else who also died on board the Titan. Fernsong (talk) 22:25, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete. I carried out a page clean-up and fixed bare links which could suffer from link rot as it was practically abandoned by its creator. It is one of those cases where notable parents don't necessarily equal notability. Maybe this could be expanded upon in the future for being a passenger of Titan, but I say for now, delete. Another way of fixing this would be to do a sub-section on his father's Wikipedia entry. Mechanical Elephant (talk) 22:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - Per Schierbecker - FlightTime (open channel) 22:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. I would argue this could fall under WP:A7 and shouldn't require any discussion. With all due respect the only articles written about him are about his death, which makes him not really a notable figure. I would move for a speedy delete. Icehax (talk) 22:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is nowhere near the level where A7 would apply - A7 isn't "non notable", it's "no credible claim of significance" - the latter is a lower standard than the former. The article contains full length pieces of coverage of this person from the BBC and surrey live, and being a victim in a major submarine accident that is currently worldwide front page news is a credible claim of significance. The issue here is that this is a WP:BLP1E, and since the person is only notable in one context they should be covered in the article on the event. 192.76.8.66 (talk) 23:30, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident per WP:BLP1E. Only notable in the context of that submarine accident as a passenger/victim. 192.76.8.66 (talk) 23:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood#Personal life - it wouldn't be appropriate to merge the information to the article on the Titan incident as it does not (and will not) go into such level of detail of the other victims. The personal life section of the article for his father is a suitable merge location. Kingsif (talk) 00:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident (or if that page is moved per its move discussion, whatever new title it is under). Per WP:BLP1E, there's no claim they're notable other than as the victim of said accident. There is no need to merge any content from here; coverage of them on the target page is already sufficient. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 00:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: Obvious redirect candidate, preferably to 2023 Titan submersible incident and second preference to Shahzada Dawood ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 00:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident or Shahzada Dawood, barely any other coverage outside the submersible incident. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident, not enough info on him so not notable enough Taiwanesetoast888 (talk) 01:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or delete as they're obviously non notable on their own. Bedivere (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge into Suleman Dawood. Not notable, just his teenage son. Yekshemesh (talk) 01:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Err...this is Suleman Dawood we're discussing. Heavy Water (talk • contribs) 03:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously meant Shahzada Dawood Bedivere (talk) 03:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My bad but yes, I obviously meant Shahzada Dawood Yekshemesh (talk) 07:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect it would be sensible to merge with the page for Shahzada Dawood. - Anvib (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. This should not even require a discussion and it's a failure that it's not already gone quite frankly. parqs (talk) 02:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Shahzada Dawood. Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 02:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Redirect to his father's page. His father as well as the others on-board are notable in other ways, while Suleman unfortunately is not notable outside of this tragedy. A redirect would make sense rather than a complete deletion. Mannytool (talk) 02:44, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect the article with Shahzada Dawood GodzillamanRor (talk) 02:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect per WP:ONEEVENT Nswix (talk) 03:07, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect with the incident's article: Obvious BLP1E, but, in my view, better to redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident than Shahzada Dawood, as Suleman Dawood was known for his involvement in this debacle, not for being the son of Shahzada. Heavy Water (talk • contribs) 03:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - He was not notable before the incident, not even locally. The article is about his personal life and his education - Which everyone has. He hasn't been involved in anything notable prior to the accident. And, with respect, him perishing in a notable maritime accident of this decade shouldn't grant him an article. The young man was unknown before the incident, and even before the incident he was pretty much a 'regular' person (besides being the son of a billionaire, who he himself wasn't that known either way). Yucalyptus (talk) 03:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident, or failing that, to Shahzada Dawood. There are plenty of good arguments (and some not-so-good ones) above for why this page should not remain as an article; I will not repeat them other than to point to WP:BLP1E.
I am persuaded by Heavy Water's argument that anyone looking for Suleman is looking for him because of his involvement in this debacle, not because he was the son of Shahzada. A reminder that WP:ATD is policy, so anyone arguing for deletion needs to explain why a redirect is a bad thing. I think the content in this page could be merged into both potential redirect targets, but I believe this page should point to the event for which he is notable. House Blaster^talk 04:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Shahzada Dawood, as that article will be able to better cover details about the son as opposed to the article on the submarine incident. Mar4d (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect per most of the above. Saw this coming as soon as Paul-Henri had a page made (although his had slightly more reason to be made a page). Booyahhayoob (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood. Rafaelosornio (talk) 05:04, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect I believe it would be best to merge and redirect Suleman Dawood's page into his father's Shahzada Dawood, and his section can be added and included there instead. 24.13.28.25 (talk) 05:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete/Merge: per all of the reasons above. Conyo14 (talk) 05:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident or his father Shahzada Dawood. Give_Up 05:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood. I'm sensing snow in June... ~ Pbritti (talk) 05:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood. 〜 Festucalex • talk 05:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete -This article has already been up for far too long. Nothing against this poor kid, he's just not relevant for WP 21stCenturySloth (talk) 06:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Shahzada Dawood.--Dl.thinker (talk) 06:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident Alex Muller 06:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, notable for only one event, redirect to Shahzada Dawood. Milkk7 (talk) 06:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect either to the incident or to his father, per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. This 19-year-old boy did nothing notable in his life but die in a notable incident. —Mahāgaja · talk 07:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete with fire per WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Tragic event but subject nowhere near notable enough for own article. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 07:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2023 Titan submersible incident, preserving categories. PamD 07:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect otherwise Delete to his father Shahzada Dawood. While not notable on own terms, he will be now, but only because of his father and the incident. -- Tytrox (talk) 08:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect & merge to Shahzada Dawood or 2023 Titan submersible incident. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.