Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satwant Singh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:19, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Satwant Singh

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This individual is notable only for his role in the Assassination of Indira Gandhi. Aside from being one of the assassins of Indira Gandhi, he has no notability whatsoever. Per WP:CRIME, A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person. Therefore, this article should be deleted and redirected to Assassination of Indira Gandhi. Please see related AfD at: [[1]] May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 22:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep highly notable subject. This was not some random crime but Assassination of the then Prime Minister of India. The Guideline that nominator is quoting above states "..should not normally be..". Well the murder of the sitting Prime Minister of a country is not a normal crime. The assassins of Kennedy, Lincoln etc are similar cases who have their own article. In such high profile cases the subject gets intense national and international coverage which makes the subject pass all criteria of WP:GNG. As expected Satwant Singh acts made him popular and multiple notable events such as honour events by Akal Takht, Riots after his execution etc were caused as a result of this act. All of these cannot simply be merged to the assassination page. There are enough sources in the article, hence I dont feel the need to post here.--DBig Xrayᗙ 09:45, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in this article that is not already in the article Assassination of Indira Gandhi, aside from a few sentences that could easily be merged. This article is mostly a copy of the assassination article. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 13:18, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

disagree. The things that I noted above are not covered in the assassination article. Besides, this discussion is on the notability, which is met. --DBig Xrayᗙ 14:22, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: - Surely you would agree, though, that the difference between the assassination article and this article amounts only to a few sentences. While notability is met, the question is whether the perpetrator should have an article independently of the crime. Per WP:CRIME, in this case they should not. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 14:25, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO the article passes our notability criteria due to being the perpetrator of a major crime with international ramifications. Hence deserves a standalone article.
There are other notable events that has occurred to the subject and his family as a result of assassination, some of them are already in the article some more should be added, since our article is incomplete IMHO. This is exactly the reason why the subject merits another article.
There are more than a few sentences here, and a notable stub is a reason to expand, not to delete and merge. We wont have stubs if we go down that road.--DBig Xrayᗙ 16:40, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that the subject of the article passes notability criteria, but the community consensus established in WP:CRIME is that a perpetrator who is known only for his crime (and the repercussions of that crime) should not have a standalone article but rather be included in the article about the event. 100% of the notability for this subject stems from his role in the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Therefore, as per community consensus, this should not be a standalone article - unless you have some reason to think that this individual is notable for a reason that has nothing to do with the assassination. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 13:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:May His Shadow Fall Upon You, you are taking an extreme inference of WP:CRIME (which By the way, is a guideline and not a policy) and using it as a fit all thumb-rule. WP:CRIME further states, the criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies :: For perpetrators :: The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities . I am sure you would agree that Indian PM is a renowned international figure. --DBig Xrayᗙ 15:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: - While I agree that the Indian PM is a renowned international figure, please read the text that precedes your quote: Where there are no appropriate existing articles, the criminal or victim in question should be the subject of a Wikipedia article only if one of the following applies... The victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities. In this case, there is an appropriate existing article: Assassination of Indira Gandhi. May His Shadow Fall Upon You ^Talk 17:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:May His Shadow Fall Upon You thank you for pointing this, I seem to have missed it. Nevertheless, I will stick with my stand above due to reasons stated in the first three comments I made to this thread. And lets agree to disagree. regards. --DBig Xrayᗙ 17:57, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - again, this assassin helped changed history - and his legacy, for better or worse, continues. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beant Singh (assassin). Bearian (talk) 14:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom clear WP:BLP1E and redirect to Assassination of Indira Gandhi.182.65.50.9 (talk) 15:03, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep highly notable and celebrated as martyrs by Sihks, e.g. [2]. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:32, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Of course assassins of high-profile politicians are notable. "This individual is notable only for his role in the Assassination of Indira Gandhi. Aside from being one of the assassins of Indira Gandhi, he has no notability whatsoever." So, like Lee Harvey Oswald then! Someone else who is notable only for assassinating someone famous. Yes, more is written about Oswald, but the stated reason for deletion just does not hold water. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
keep mostly per the keep votes above. Also, wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, we have to use our logic at times. Also, WP:CRIME is guideline, not a policy. The subject has plenty of coverage. Not as much as Oswald, but it is enough. John Wilkes Booth was not notable as an actor, without the assassination; he wouldnt have an article either. —usernamekiran(talk) 02:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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