Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ruben Garcia Jr. (FBI agent)

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 10:01, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ruben Garcia Jr. (FBI agent)

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questionable notability, only passing mentions in a few sources--Prisencolin (talk) 21:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails GNG with only passing mentions. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Held the second highest rank (at the time) in one of the most notable law enforcement agencies in the United States. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - held the second highest rank. per WP:GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:24, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What GNG? It's all passing mentions. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:19, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He didn't really hold the second-highest rank on his own. There were three other "executive assistant directors" at the time. Absent significant coverage of this individual in particular (which I can't find), he's not notable. agtx 15:41, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure it's relevant that there were three others at the same rank. So he was one of the five most senior people in the FBI. Still makes him look pretty notable! After all, we don't delete articles on four-star generals (or three-star, two-star or one-star generals for that matter!) because there are more than one of them at that rank! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:WHYN. The reason why we have our notability guidelines is that we are able to write an NPOV article based on third party sources. Over here the coverage is sorely missing. Except for a bunch of passing mentions, there is nothing much about the subject himself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~leaning delete~~, although his is a pretty common name. An editor who finds persuasive sourcing should feel free to flag me to revisit.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging E.M.Gregory (talk · contribs) to revisit after I posted sources below. Cunard (talk) 06:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Garza, Sonja (2001-12-09). "Former FBI leader here gets a top bureau post - Garcia given No. 2 slot in Washington". San Antonio Express-News. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  When Ruben Garcia Jr. was a young FBI agent in Miami in the 1980s, he chased down Colombian drug traffickers and organized crime thugs.
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  Today, the 23-year FBI veteran continues to distinguish himself in Washington, D.C., as the bureau's newly appointed executive assistant director for criminal investigations.
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  A native of Brownfield, Garcia was born to Mexican immigrant parents who worked in the cotton fields. Ortiz characterizes Garcia's modest roots as "poor but always honorable."
  A natural athlete, Garcia attended Texas Tech University where he "helped put the Red Raiders in the spotlight with a legendary 1971 pitching duel" against University of Texas' famed pitcher Burt Hooton, according to a 1996 Express-News article.
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  He joined the FBI in 1978 and first was assigned to the San Diego Division, where he investigated bank robberies, kidnappings and other violent crimes. In Miami, Garcia would eventually head up the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force, but Ortiz - now the assistant special agent in charge of the San Antonio Division - remembered their days there as "regular gumshoe investigators" on the trail of drug dealers.
2. Lipman, Larry (2001-10-12). "FBI's Anthrax Point Man No Stranger to Spotlight". The Palm Beach Post. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  Ruben Garcia Jr., named Wednesday to head the FBI's investigation of anthrax exposure in Palm Beach County, has been the agency's out-front figure on some of its highest-profile cases in recent years.
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  As the FBI's assistant director in charge of the criminal investigative division, Garcia is the agency's third highest ranking officer and its highest ranking Hispanic.
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  A graduate of Texas Tech University with a bachelor's degree in business administration, Garcia joined the FBI in 1978 and spent his first assignment in the San Diego division.
  In October 1982, he joined the FBI office in Miami, where he worked for six years, primarily on drug-related investigations.
  He returned to San Diego in 1988 as supervisor of that office. Three years later, he was assigned to the FBI headquarters in Washington, where as a supervisor he managed national investigations into organized crime, drugs and violent crimes.
  In 1994, he transferred to the FBI's San Antonio division, first as assistant special agent in charge and then as special agent in charge. His duties included oversight of investigations involving white-collar crimes, national security, domestic terrorism and civil rights.
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  He once wanted to be a professional baseball player. As a pitcher, he posted the second-best earned run average at Texas Tech and signed a contract with the Kansas City Royals organization. His career peaked in Class AAA, one step below the majors.
3. Crouse, Jacque (1998-05-01). "Top local FBI agent Washington bound". San Antonio Express-News. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  As he readied to leave San Antonio, the first Hispanic to lead the local FBI office said his most noteworthy accomplishments here have been to promote communication within the office and partnerships with other law enforcement groups.
  In about two weeks, FBI Special Agent-in-Charge Ruben Garcia will leave the Alamo City for Washington, D.C., where he will take over as the FBI's assistant director for the personnel division, which oversees the agency's 25,000 employees.
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  Garcia was assistant special agent-in-charge in San Antonio from June 1994 until he was named to the top management slot July 26, 1996.
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  One of Garcia's priorities when he took charge was to boost morale in the San Antonio office, which in the early 1990s was rocked by a lawsuit local Hispanic agents filed claiming discrimination and retaliation.
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  The native of Brownfield said he is looking forward to a new challenge at FBI headquarters, but added it is hard to leave San Antonio.
4. Lash, Steve (1999-11-24). "Agent from Texas to lead FBI's Criminal Investigative Division". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  Garcia, a Brownfield native, served as assistant and then as special agent in charge of FBI's San Antonio field office from June 1994 until June 1998. He was responsible for combating domestic terrorism, national-security threats, civil-rights violations and white-collar crimes.
  During his 21 years with the FBI, Garcia has also worked in the agency's San Diego and Miami field offices, where he primarily investigated drug crimes. In addition, he served at FBI headquarters from 1991 to 1994 as a supervisor in the Organized Crime/Drug Section and the Violent Crimes and Major Offenders Section in the Criminal Investigative Division.
  Garcia, 48, has a bachelor's degree in business administration from Texas Tech University.
5. Jackson, David (2000-01-01). "FBI official, native Texan says controversy part of the job". The Dallas Morning News. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  Mr. Garcia's road to the FBI's upper echelon began on Aug. 15, 1951, in Brownfield, Texas. He describes his hometown as a place "where the wind blows and the dust is everywhere. A great spot. I love it."
  He grew up wanting to play major league baseball and he was a good enough pitcher to win a scholarship to nearby Texas Tech University.
  After posting a 21-10 record with an earned run average of 2.06 - second best in Red Raider history - Mr. Garcia signed a contract with the Kansas City Royals organization. He made it all the way to AAA ball, one step away from the major leagues.
  "As I say, I went from a prospect to a suspect in baseball," Mr. Garcia said. "I looked toward other things."
  A relative worked for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, so he applied. The bureau hired Mr. Garcia in 1978, assigning him first to its San Diego office.
6. Crouse, Jacque (1999-08-16). "First Hispanic to get keys to local FBI office". San Antonio Express-News. Archived from the original on 2016-10-21. Retrieved 2016-10-21.
  The article notes:
  
  With little fanfare, Ruben Garcia on Monday is to become the first Hispanic special agent-in-charge of the local FBI office.
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  Born in Brownfield, he is a former Texas Tech Hall of Fame baseball player who spent four years in the Kansas City Royals minor league organization.
  A 1971 All-American left-handed pitcher who has been described as having a buggy-whip delivery, Garcia spent a couple of years in retail management before moving on to the FBI in 1978.
  He was a street agent for 10 years handling violent crimes in California and drug cases in Florida.
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  He and his wife, Virginia, have been married 13 years.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Ruben Garcia Jr. to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 06:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete instead as the listed sources are simply show what's clearly publishing his own words from the man's own biography and then republishing them elsewhere also (literally going to specificd about his job locations and what events followed because of them), the position itself is then actually not even a important one despite the numerous words and overall "serious form" of it", because it's clearly simply a position meaning he's part of a team involved in itself with the importsnt positions, not that the position itself is largely important or of inheritance for independent notability. Because the article sinply goes to such specifics about hin, it's clear he was the one supplying it. Therefore there's then no other actual information listed suggesting his career and achievements have been convincing for his own article. SwisterTwister talk 06:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my ivote to Keep Profiles in multiple major Texas dailies persuade me. This is not merely local coverage since Texas is larger than some planets and because of coverage in a large Florida daily. Also note the "first Hispanic" angle.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:37, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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