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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftify. This one was a close call between "draftify" and "delete"; several redirect options were also presented, but none of them gained consensus. A few delete voters argued along the lines of WP:TOOSOON or proposed draftifying as another option, so I hope this is an acceptable compromise. If continued coverage doesn't happen the draft can be deleted. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:38, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Real Madrid 1–2 FC Sheriff Tiraspol

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This is an example of WP:RECENTISM. Although this result is impressive, it's just a group stage match in the UEFA Champions League with no greater significance than that. If this article stays, then countless of other "incredible" upsets could also have articles on Wikipedia, and we don't want to be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Never mind the fact that this article should be a stub, is not written very well, and has some sourcing issues. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Moldova-related deletion discussions. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Clog Wolf Howl 01:59, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete Please. This match has gone MAINSTREAM and it has an ENORMOUS significance for me & everyone because I'm from Moldova and I support Real Madrid. Everyone talked about this match, everyone posted about this. This is HISTORY. Do you really think that if this match took place in the group stage it should be automatically ignored? Wow. This match actually is one of the craziest things I've experienced in MY life. It matters so much for Moldovan people. It should NOT be ignored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remis.simon (talk • contribs) 08:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Remis.simon... I would just like to tell you that WP:ILIKEIT is not a strong argument in deletion discussions. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:16, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If this match has an article, every match should. Normal group stage match without any significance. Clog Wolf Howl 01:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete bro how can you say that lmao, “ Normal group stage match without any significance” tf are you taking about mate -Ajax.amsterdam.fan (talk) 02:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete This is far from a match without significance. A debutant crashing the home of the record winners. And I'm saying this as a Real Madrid fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.233.230 (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. You argument does not address what the deletion proposal is saying, and stating that you are a Real Madrid supporter has no value in this discussion. Please read WP:ILIKEIT and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not Delete This article needs to be better written, along with a bit more background information on Sheriff's position compared to Madrid and its run throughout the Champions League qualifiers, but I believe calling this result 'impressive' is an understatement and it deserves a decently written Wikipedia page on it. There are plenty of other upsets in football and in other sports which don't have a Wikipedia page but there are not many to this degree. I appreciate the knowledge that these regular Wikipedia users have on the guides and policies of Wikipedia, but calling this match a 'normal group stage match without any significance' perhaps shows that the football knowledge of these users may be lacking. The fact that this match even occurred in the first place is highly significant alone, forget about the result. WorldatmyFeet (talk) 03:04, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@WorldatmyFeet: Hello. Please remember that this a Wikipedia deletion discussion and that articles are nominated for deletion for other reasons than because users "lack" football knowledge. Also, I would appreciate more concrete arguments, although I do appreciate that you were actually following the etiquette unlike some other editors/IPs above. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It was a big shock yes. But we don't do articles for every single shock, I think this is a little too RECENT for now but I am open to recreation if lasting notability comes out later. Though I do have concerns too there may be a little POV creeping in too by the line of: "heavily noted in media coverage of the match was the origin of FC Sheriff, the first team to qualify to the Champions League from Moldova, and the unrecognized state of Transnistria within Moldova at that." The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This appears to clearly fail WP:SPORTSEVENT. The relevant criteria states that notable games should be widely considered by independent reliable sources to be notable, outside routine coverage of each game. The article fails that. From an ordinary WP:EVENTCRIT perspective, this does not appear to have enduring historical significance, nor a significant lasting WP:EFFECT. This article may have been made WP:TOOSOON. It's quite possible for coverage to continue for a good period of time, for this to be re-analyzed after the fact, and for it to then gain notability through lasting coverage. However, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; if the article subject is not currently notable, then it should be deleted. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 05:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per wide news coverage: BBC, Guardian, CNN, ESPN, Sky Sports, Al Jazeera, NY Times, Evening Standard, Irish Times, RFERL and WP:LASTING: Thanks to that victory Sheriff did advance to the knockout stage of the Champions League per 2021–22_UEFA_Champions_League_group_stage#Group_D. Brandmeistertalk 07:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, they can still be knocked out at this stage. Six points after two matches is not enough to go through. Number 57 08:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Brandmeister: - they have only played two out of six games in the group stage, it is literally impossible for them to have already clinched a place in the knockout phase after just two games -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:35, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Yes, it's a cup shock, but it really isn't article-worthy. Number 57 08:20, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to draftspace it's 2.5 days after the match, way too soon to know if there is significant, prolonged coverage of this event. I think there may well be in future, but nobody knows for sure. I would move to draftspace, and re-evaluate in six months. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:24, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify per Joseph - sounds like a good shout -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. I suggested deletion at the WT:FOOTY discussion because of WP:RECENTISM but I'm inclined to agree with Joseph that deletion might be too hasty. The match could potentially become "legendary", as media pundits might say, and be a subject of football coverage and discussion for years to come. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, as Stevie fae Scotland pointed out at WT:FOOTY, the title of the article should be Real Madrid CF 1–2 FC Sheriff Tiraspol. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/rename/redirect to new article at FC Sheriff Tiraspol in European football - that is an established article type and probably the best place for this match to be mentioned, rather than a standalone article. I share concerns about RECENTism and we won't know long-lasting notability for a while. GiantSnowman 09:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to draftspace - Agree with concerns re- WP:RECENTISM and WP:SPORTSEVENT. Deletion would be valid but I think it would make more sense to put the article on hold to see if significant, prolonged coverage does result from the match. Although, I agree with GS as well, moving to a new article covering Sheriff's history in European football would also be an appropriate solution. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as RECENTism. Moving to draftspace would be an acceptable interim solution. --Leyo 10:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. I would be surprised if this does end up to have long term notability, but it's not implausible. As such, draftifying the article to see what happens, thus allowing us to easily recover the content if it does turn out to have long term notability, seems to be the best option. BilledMammal (talk) 11:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete by recentism, but it is not encyclopedic either a media result since the round of 16...--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 15:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - While this match will undoubtedly be remembered fondly for all time by those associated with FC Sheriff, it's too soon to know how it will be remembered in general. There have been plenty of giant-killings in the Champions League that haven't had widespread coverage in the media, so how about we wait and see how this one goes? – PeeJay 17:06, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Having an article for every unexpected scoreline in football would be nonsensical. Yes, this was bigger than most, but it still doesn't pass SPORTSEVENT. Black Kite (talk) 17:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Yes, a big upset but it was a group stage match and not more. Kante4 (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I'm sure this thrills some fans, but it's a small (obviously one-time) event. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify*. Let's wait and see if this has got any documentation (apart from standard match reports) in six months time. BMB YT 500000 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:06, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --BlameRuiner (talk) 15:43, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. Same arguments as the ones above - first it needs a better styling, and second, it's too early to say whether this result is significant enough to be remembered with an article. --shika99bul (talk) 12:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not delete or Redirect. Please do not delete this article but this article did not meets notability and need a redirection in 2021–22_UEFA_Champions_League_group_stage#Group_D. Manchesterunited1234 (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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