Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot (Helluva Boss)

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The result was merge‎ to List of Helluva Boss episodes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:45, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot (Helluva Boss)

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I don't believe this episode (or the other episodes) of Helluva Boss pass WP:GNG. The episodes are not covered in depth to warrant a standalone article. SWinxy (talk) 23:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the other episodes for the same reason:

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Comics and animation, Webcomics, and Internet. SWinxy (talk) 23:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all – All these articles are using the same sources, which I think is a strong indication that they're all one subject. Most of the sources are primary, while others are about the show as a whole (or even more about Hazbin Hotel). There's not much here. I think the use of this source in "The Circus" is particularly egregious... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect just "The Circus" for now until a little more referencing can be added (I was thinking it might need a little more), but Keep the rest; the pilot in particular has six+ independent sources and does pass WP:GNG, along with "Murder Family" and "Loo Loo Land", which only use the same two references about the Ursa Major Award they were nominated for because they were nominated for the same award in the same year, while "The Circus" was nominated for that award two years later. 113.30.191.65 (talk) 08:10, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even for the pilot, which came out a year before the series was confirmed, I can't really find much dedicated sources. I'm not convinced The Geek Waffle is a reliable source, and everything else is either a primary source or about the series as a whole (like these: [1] [2] [3]). Is there even a single reliable secondary source about the pilot specifically? I also question the RS-status of Wherever I Look and Flayrah, though mostly I just don't find them enough. The same The Geeky Waffle, Flayra, Animation Magazine, and Comic Book Resources articles are used for all of these articles. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat)
No, the Screen Rant article was written when only the pilot was out, noting that it was only "the immediate success [of Hazbin Hotel that] allowed Medrano to commission an 11-minute spinoff pilot titled Helluva Boss", before noting that while "more episodes of Helluva Boss will likely come to YouTube as a web series, Hazbin Hotel has been picked up for a proper series order." The Flayrah article individually reviews each episode of the first season of Helluva Boss in order on a single article, while the CBR article reviews the opening scene of "Loo Loo Land", while also briefly comparing it to the previous episode, so it would only be used on the pages for "Murder Family" and "Loo Loo Land". The MovieWeb article also referred to this scene, as well as the casting of Jonathan Freeman for "The Circus", hence why it was used on both those pages. And the Animation Magazine reference is also about the initial eight-episode order that followed the success of the pilot, those eight episodes including "Murder Family" and "Loo Loo Land" also, hence its inclusion to reference that the episode had been ordered. Some references are used on different pages, but not all of them. 113.30.191.65 (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Added referencing to the pilot to ensure it all passes WP:GNG. The award-nominated episodes look more detailed than most Rick and Morty episode pages. 1-1-2-2-SixtySix (talk) 14:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppeteer, see investigation)[reply]
A lot of them are WP:SPSs. In general, there lacks reliable sources talking extensively enough on any individual episode. SWinxy (talk) 02:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, or split to List of Helluva Boss episodes if the vote goes the other way. Looks to be just-enough sourcing to keep, personally. MangoloITCrowd (talk) 12:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of 1-1-2-2-SixtySix, see investigation)[reply]
Keep per above, but make that page. If every episode gets reviewed, there should be an episode page. 86.43.91.37 (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 00:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. I would just merge to Helluva Boss, nothing terribly notable about this episode it seems, no sources discuss it in particular. Oaktree b (talk) 17:01, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Helluva Boss episodes or to just Helluva Boss; I think there's enough for it to be included in an article about Helluva Boss but not enough for its own WP article. The sourcing is really bad - Letterboxd should never be considered a source to use for Wikipedia, it's a platform that aggregates user reviews; YouTube for obvious reasons is not a source that can be used to establish notability; there's a review from Medium which cannot be used to establish notability either as a blogging site (see WP:MEDIUM); I've checked a few, but not all, of the other sources and they are about Helluva Boss the series, not the first episode.Jaguarnik (talk) 01:08, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into an episode list. The sources do not seem reliable enough for standalone articles on these episodes, a lot are random people's blogs, WP:USERG applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Many of the sources aren't the best, and should be cut/trimmed, but there are enough overall that do seem to qualify as being significant to keep. The pilot episode on its own has enough coverage to remain even if other episodes are removed/split to a list page. マリオマリオ (talk) 21:58, 27 July 2023 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of 1-1-2-2-SixtySix, see investigation)[reply]
Keep per Japan, but add one of those "expand article" tags to the second episode. NordMend (talk) 18:32, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Helluva Boss#Episodes, I'm just not seeing any evidence that these episodes pass WP:GNG. While they may have been nominated for notable awards, these awards do not seem to have resulted in any significant coverage of the episodes in question, outside of unreliable websites and blogs that do not contribute to notability. Devonian Wombat (talk) 13:00, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the pilot episode is notable, maybe the first two episodes too, but not "The Circus". I would merge its plot summary into the proposed episode list for the series or a first season page. Applestarter (talk) 18:54, 28 July 2023 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of 1-1-2-2-SixtySix, see investigation)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.