Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parademon (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Apokolips. If editors prefer a different redirect target, please start a discussion on the redirect talk page or be BOLD! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This fails WP:GNG. The AfD two years ago had pretty weak participation, with one merge suggestion (with Darkseid) and one keep vote that referred to WP:NCOMIC, which is a user essay and as such hardly a strong argument, and one keep or merge, also citing NCOMIC. The article should've been relisted for more discussion, alas, it wasn't and since it hasn't improved, I think it's time to revisit this. Considering that it's a plot summary with no analysis/reception, and poorly referenced, I am unsure what would warrant a merged and hence I can suggest a redirect as the best WP:SOFTDELETE alternative. PS. If this is kept (sigh) the name should probably be changed to Parademons. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Comics and animation. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:34, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to New Gods#Known New Gods where the characters already have an entry. Rhino131 (talk) 13:50, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Apokolips or New Gods#Known New Gods (as suggested above), both of which describe them. While searches turn up plenty of hits for the name, as they are used very often, there really is not much on them that actually goes beyond plot summaries or things like product announcements. The reason why the article is nothing but in-universe plot descriptions and a list of "in other media" appearances is because that's really all that can be written about them based on sources. That said, they would be able to be properly covered in a broader topic, such as the suggested articles. Rorshacma (talk) 16:48, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect the coverage does not rise to WP:SIGCOV. Most of it is plot summary or brief mentions. Jontesta (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge with the Apokolips part of the New Gods' Known New Gods section. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:39, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Apokolips#Inhabitants, which describes them in more detail and is generally a more relevant target than the New Gods article. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There's a consensus to redirect, but we're divided between two targets.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG️🙃 _{(ICE-T • ICE CUBE)} 14:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect: Mainly a plot summary with no analysis/reception. Nominator identified a redirect as an alternative to full deletion. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:52, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shooterwalker, as the relist states, there is a consensus to redirect, now it's a discussion about the appropriate redirect target. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess it's a tossup between Apokolips which mentions them in pasing and the New Gods which lists them in a big and terribly bad list there. I would prefer to former, as I have serious doubts whether Parademons are correctly listed as "New Gods of Apokolips"; they are more grunts then gods. If anyone knows more of the lore here they can correct me. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: "New Gods" refers collectively to all of the characters existing in Kirby's fourth world, so Parademons are just as much New Gods and anyone else. That said, I don't really have an objection to redirecting to Apokolips either, so the closer can take that into account when deciding a redirect target. Rhino131 (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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