Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pandit Lakhmi Chand State University of Performing and Visual Arts

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. There is consensus to keep, and someone has offered to rewrite the article. (non-admin closure) Timothytyy (talk) 08:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pandit Lakhmi Chand State University of Performing and Visual Arts

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL. Few sources, and those few are low quality. Content at this time is almost entirely promotional and largely a screed lauding the accomplishments of one person. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 00:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but start over. Previous versions of the article have better sourcing, but are also not neural. It goes either promotional or critical. We just need to blow it up and start over. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Almost certainly notable, but the copyvio text taken from https://hshec.org/welcome/university_details/68 needs to be removed. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:51, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to hear your opinion on the neutrality of the article, particularly this paragraph:
The PLC SUPVA campus is spread over 36 acres of land, beautifully designed by world renowned architect Raj Rewal, with a healthy and verdant campus. It is centrally located in the state of Haryana, at a distance of about 75 kms from the national capital, 90 kms from IGI Airport, New Delhi and about 200 kms from Chandigarh, and is well-connected with the road and railway network. With magnificent buildings and state-of-art infrastructure, it has spacious seminar halls, laboratories, workshops and studios, well-equipped with latest machinery, equipment and IT infrastructure.
I think it’s very promotional and that’s another reason it should be deleted. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Schools and Haryana. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 00:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This earlier version of the article omits the copyvios and has more references, but also has some inadequately referenced criticism of the university and its vice-chancellor. I'd suggest reverting to that older version and removing the unreferenced criticism. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I don't think the prose in that version is much better. It's very critical of the organisation, and is very poorly written. We have both sides of WP:NPOV, however I think the refs in the version you linked push it towards Keep but WP:TNT. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. State-established universities are invariably notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp: Could you back this up with policy/discussions? I agree with you that this article should be kept, but I'd like to know for future AfD discussions I may have. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The options for a closer are very limited. I don't understand the opinion to Keep but TNT or start over. How can an article be Kept but blown up? No one here is offering to rewrite this article. So, unless you are suggesting that you will take on this job, your choices are pretty much limited to Keep, Delete, Merge or Redirect. A closure can't order an article to be rewritten, this task has to be taken on voluntarily by an interested editor.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would be willing to re-write the article in a neutral manner if this discussion is closed as keep but TNT. Closers: please ping me or leave a comment on my talk page if this happens. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, but the article should be completely remade. The article is full of promotional material and isn't neutral. Though I've fixed some of it, I've had to remove a ton of information to make that happen. @Liz: JML1148 here is offering to rewrite the article. I could also help with the rewriting, if it ends up being a Keep. Cheers! // 🌶️Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 08:07, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I haven't even clicked on the article, but in response to Liz's comment - Keep but TNT isn't an option for the closer, but deletion is rarely about the state of the article, and it's not in this case, it's about notability. SportingFlyer T·C 15:46, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, JML1148, Jala and SportingFlyer. I appreciate it. Since I relisted this discussion with a comment, I will let another admin close this discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:23, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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