Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paddy Steinfort

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete I've ended this a bit early due to issues with undisclosed paid editors, but fundamentally the issue came down to two arguments. On the one side it was argued that there was coverage of the subject in multiple sources (JC7V, Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover), while on the other it was argued that none of the sources met the requirements for GNG (Papaursa, Sandals1, K.e.coffman, SportingFlyer). In the end, I felt that the concerns raised on the delete side, that the article failed to pass the bar of GNG, were stronger. - Bilby (talk) 01:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paddy Steinfort

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Notability of this person is not inherited by working for notable organisations. The level of independent coverage about him is insufficient to meet WP:GNG Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:13, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment what a terrible article. Former AFL first round draft pick for Richmond, but was a total draft bust and never played an AFL game. Possible coverage including here, which is WP:ROUTINE, but exists: [1] The Athletic article is good for WP:GNG but the rest appears to be non-NPOV fluff. Watching this but if I don't respond again, read this as a delete vote. SportingFlyer talk 12:38, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per my comment above, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer talk 11:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Bit weak but passes WP:GNG and scrapes WP:NAUTHOR, per cite 19, and contribution to additional collective works. Govvy (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The page doesn't clearly meet the notability guidelines for persons WP:GNG. I checked the available sources before speedy deletion. The creator of the article also appears to be a Spam/advertising-only account, likely covert advertising and failure to disclose paid contributions. Bradgd (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep While I agree that the page needs to be tidied, properly cited and edited for tone; there are plenty of sources available, therefore this page has the potential to be a good addition to the encyclopaedia providing the issues are fixed and all traces of paid editing are removed. Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover^t@lk 14:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Added source to show he never played in the AFL for Richmond, despite the article's original claim of playing for them for five years. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or any SNG. Coverage is routine sports reporting based on being hired by various teams. Writing an article does not mean he meets WP:NAUTHOR. If the keep voters can show the significant independent coverage they claim exists, I'm willing to change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Steinfort was covered significantly by Herald SunSteinfort back at Mazenod | Herald SunAdelaide staff member to accompany Crows on end-of-season trip to Thailand | Herald Sun, THE ATHLETICHow a dying coach in Australia nudged Paddy Steinfort onto a winding road to the Blue Jays – The Athletic, The AdvertiserThe day Phil Walsh eulogised his mate Dean Bailey as told by Paddy Steinfort, SPORTSNETBlue Jays' Roberto Osuna feeling 'anxious and weird' - Sportsnet.ca. I'd say he clearly meets WP:GNG, WP:NAFL, WP:SPORTCRIT through significant, non-routine coverage. Kevroby (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I don't think he is notable as an author (his only book is held by just 36 libraries according to WorldCat Identities) but definitely notable as a sportsperson winning the Larke Medal, playing for various teams and being a coach. -- Gprscrippers (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Larke medal is for the under-18 championships and junior awards don't usual confer notability nor does playing for several minor league teams. He was never a head coach just an assistant for different teams so he fails to meet WP:NAFL or any other SNG. That means he needs to meet WP:GNG to be notable and, as I said above, I'm waiting for someone to show me the necessary coverage. Papaursa (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Many sources showing this subject meets WP:GNG, won a Larke Medal and some significnace from being an author (though probably not meeting WP:Author) so its a pass.JC7V-constructive zone 22:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For one last time, someone please point two or three of the "many sources showing this subject meets WP:GNG" so that I can see the significant independent coverage of him in reliable sources. People keep claiming he meets WP:GNG, but no one has been willing to show me the sources--even though I've said I'm willing to change my vote if presented with actual evidence instead of general vague statements. Papaursa (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just one source, its taking everything and every source together (Larkin award, wrote a book that is somewhat significant, wrote guest articles for Psychology Today, works with pro sports teams, was drafted by an AFL squad (I know he didn't play for them). I feel based on everything together he barely meets WP:GNG. I feel his inclusion (without the fluff) would be a Net Positive. JC7V-constructive zone 01:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it seems like you're claiming he's notable because he did lots of different things, although he didn't do any of them well enough to be notable in that field. In addition, you're claiming that lots of routine coverage combined is enough to meet WP:GNG although you can't find individual sources that provide the significant independent non-routine coverage required by that standard. For some reason, I'm reminded of one of my old coaches who said, "If you want to win the high jump you find one person who can jump 7 feet, not 7 people who can jump 1 foot." Papaursa (talk) 02:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, let's agree to disagree. Thank you for your input and for your vote. JC7V-constructive zone 04:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Doesn't meet any notability standards and I don't believe the sources mentioned are enough to meet the GNG. Success as a junior doesn't usually count for sports notability. Sandals1 (talk) 03:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: does not meet WP:ANYBIO; not notable as either "author, performance coach or leadership consultant". Sources are passing mentions and / or WP:SPIP. Highly promotional. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict69 20:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I'd say Steinfort is notable while the page itself was poorly written, primarily in the type of references used, which I think would seem tricky when assessing the notability of the subject. I have taken out most of the fluff, reduced promotional tone, removed self-published articles and profiles. Kevroby (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.