Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nguma-monene

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:45, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nguma-monene

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A Non-notable fringe "living dinosaur", as the previously deleted Ngoubou, Muhuru, Burrunjor, Ropen, Kasai Rex, Emela-ntouka, and so on. There is essentially no coverage in reliable sources. tronvillain (talk) 13:51, 6 July

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Delete. No high quality sources found. It's not notable, it's not verifiable. Slideshow Bob (talk) 18:30, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Somewhat to my surprise, this 1987 book published by Brill Publishers has an entire chapter on this ... alleged creature: [1]. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC) I've restored some deleted material drawing from this source and another source published by Penguin for discussion purposes. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 21:50, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, A Living Dinosaur? is the fringe source that originated the story. --tronvillain (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you expound upon why these books published by respected publishers are fringe and do not go to establishing notability of a possible (or mythological) creature? (not disagreeing, just asking for information why this isn't a Loch Ness Monster situation). 24.151.50.175 (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! It's a fringe theory because it departs significantly from the prevailing views in zoology, archeology, and any other relevant field you care to name. And as seen at WP:NFRINGE: "A fringe subject (a fringe theory, organization or aspect of a fringe theory) is considered notable enough for a dedicated article if it has been referenced extensively, and in a serious and reliable manner, by major publications that are independent of their promulgators and popularizers." Mackall is the main promulgator/popularize of this fringe theory. This contrasts with subjects like Mokele-mbembe (the primary subject of A Living Dinosaur?) or the Loch Ness monster, which actually have received such coverage. --tronvillain (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the cogent response. Color me convinced. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as receiving no substantial coverage in reliable sources beyond promoters of fringe theory. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No notable coverage in reliable sources that I can see. WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES is an already low bar, but since no one has shown it exists yet, that seems to be a pretty clear indication that it fails even that notability metric. Kingofaces43 (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect or merge to its more famous "cousin", the Mokele-mbembe. Bearian (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there doesn't seem to be any scientific papers talking about this "organism", nor any actually reliable sources. Thus, it should be deleted, as it does not seem to exist. RileyBugz^{私に叫ぼう}_私の編集 21:58, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of lack of notability. Wikipedia, the last place one can still find living dinosaurs. Exterminate before it breeds. -The Gnome (talk) 07:26, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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