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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Two deletes to one keep, and two neutral. Good arguments from both sides. (non-admin closure) Vacationnine 00:26, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nevis Amateur Athletic Association

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Non notable athletic association. — ṞṈ™ 02:59, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I am the creator of the challenged article.

The Nevis Amateur Athletic Association (NAAA) is notable because it meets the Alternate criteria for specific types of organizations, here: Non-commercial organizations.

1.) The scope of its activities is both national and international in scale.[1]

2.) Information about the organization and its activities can be verified by multiple, third-party, independent, reliable sources.[2][3][4][5][1] In Addition, participation of an athletic team of from Nevis in (regional) international competitions (separate from a Saint Kitts team) [6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] implies of course the involvement of the Nevis Amateur Athletic Association.

The article was created (as "by-product") of a past project on governing bodies for the sport of athletics affiliated to the Association of Panamerican Athletics (APA), the South American Athletics Confederation (CONSUDATLE), the Central American Isthmus Athletic Confederation (CADICA), the Central American and Caribbean Athletic Confederation (CACAC), and the Iberoamerican Athletics Association (AIA), and is intended to be part of a future project on the Leeward Islands Athletic Association (LIAA), where NAAA is an independent member association, and on the competions that are organized by it.

Remarks:

1.) I appreciate arguments rather than opinions, especially when speedy deletion is requested.

2.) I appreciate recommodations from users familiar with the topics of Athletics, the Caribbean, the Leeward Islands, or Nevis.

CroesJ (talk) 16:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b Nevis Track Team Places Fourth in Anguilla, Nevis Pages Ltd., May 24, 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
  2. ^ Blackett, Lester (March 28, 2008), NEVIS ATHLETE LOOKS TOWARD OLYMPICS, The St. Kitts-Nevis Observer, retrieved November 6, 2012
  3. ^ Blackett, Lester (March 21, 2008), TANIKA RANKED WORLD’S NO. 4; CARIBBEAN’S NO. 1 JUMPER, The St. Kitts-Nevis Observer, retrieved November 6, 2012
  4. ^ Gingerland clinches Inter Primary Championship title from Charlestown, Nevis Island Administration, March 25, 2010, retrieved November 6, 2012
  5. ^ High expectations at St Thomas Primary: Parry saves the day, SKNList.com - The St.Kitts-Nevis List, April 11, 2012, retrieved November 6, 2012
  6. ^ Anguilla hosts the 2011 Leeward Islands track and field meet, Anguilla News, May 20, 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
  7. ^ Anguilla hosts successful 2010 Leeward Islands Youth track and field Championship, Sunset Homes - Anguilla Lifestyle, May 20, 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
  8. ^ Local sports — St. Thomas - V.I. National Youth Track and Field Team Selected, V.I. Source Publications, Inc., June 2, 2006, retrieved November 6, 2012
  9. ^ VITFF Bulletin: 7-5-06 V.I.National Junior Track and Field Team wins 10 (Final total = 12) medals at Leeward Islands Junior Championships (Continued)…, The Virgin Islands Track and Field Federation, July 5, 2006, retrieved November 6, 2012
  10. ^ LEEWARDS YOUTH CHAMPIONSHIP, SKNproud.com, May 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
  11. ^ Morton, Curtis (May 27, 2011), SPORTS - ATHLETICS - Renika and Kezron star in Leeward Islands meet, The St. Kitts-Nevis Observer, retrieved November 6, 2012
  12. ^ Leeward Islands Youth Championships 2009 - 5/30/2009 to 5/31/2009 - SKNAAA - LIYC 2009 - Silver Jubilee Athletic Stadium, St. Kitts - Medal Count - Combined: Men + Women, Saint Kitts & Nevis Amateur Athletic Association, May 27, 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
  13. ^ BVI gets 20 gold medals at Leeward Islands Champs to finish 2nd, BVI News, Road Town, Tortola, British Virgin Islands, May 24, 2011, retrieved November 6, 2012
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 00:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just because athletes occasionally enter foreign competitions does not mean that the organization is truly international. As far as I am aware, every single one of those competitions are hosted on small islands with a very small pool of athletes, so I doubt that makes it notable. I can't really tell from the notability guidelines whether or not such small countries' (US Virgin Islands won't count as it's not a country on its own) championships are notable, so this is a Neutral vote at the moment. Lukeno94 (talk) 12:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
1.) NAAA is affiliated to the Leeward Islands Athletic Association (LIAA), a regional international confederation governing body of athletics for national governing bodies and multi-national federations within the Leeward Islands, as an independent member association. Its athletes compete regularly (rather than occasionally) at the championships.
2.) The championships hosted 200 athletes (see Reference 7 from above). In my point of view, this is not a very small pool of athletes.
3.) The Virgin Islands Olympic Committee is an independent member of the IOC, its athletes participated for their country, e.g., at the 2012 London Summer Olympics. Why should they not count?
4.) Different Wikipedia guidelines for "small" and "big" countries (to the disadvantage of the small ones)? I can't imagine. If this was the case, it would be, in my point of view, a discrimination, and would not agree with my understanding of Wikipedia.
CroesJ (talk) 15:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 00:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the fence As it stands I feel the article offers little that couldnt be covered on Saint Kitts & Nevis Amateur Athletic Association page, as a sub section. However, if the article was expanded to include notable events, such as athletes sent to the olympic games (I note that St Kitts and Nevis have entered the last five olympics sending 7 athletes in total to the London Olympics) then i would support its retention. I think we have to deal with notability with a certain amount of leaway with smaller nations. So support deletion based on article as it is with content moved to subsection of St Kitts & Nevis AAA article, but if the article can be fleshed out with athletes competing at the olympics, or notable results within the region then I would support its retention Dimspace (talk) 14:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Going through, i can find a large number of world championship medals won by the combined St Kitts and Nevis, but I cant find any for Nevis born athletes. On that basis I would support moving the article to the combined article for St Kitts & Nevis. Dimspace (talk) 14:13, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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