Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nail Yakupov

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The result was USERFY, pending actual notability achieved. postdlf (talk) 03:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nail Yakupov

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The subject of this article does not appear to meet the general notability guideline or the WP:NHOCKEY guideline for ice hockey players. Onthegogo (talk) 05:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reasons he is notable have been given in the edit summary when removing the contested PROD and on Onthegogo's talk page. They include:

• 4th in scoring for the current OHL season, even a notch above Ryan Ellis
• He has been OHL Rookie of the Month thrice (here are two, January and February)
• Shoo-in for OHL or even CHL Rookie of the Year (not announced yet and thus WP:CRYSTAL right now)
• Critical commentary by commentators that he may be a #1 NHL draft pick (not just fans, which would run smack into WP:CRYSTAL)
• He has participated in international competitions (including the 2009 World Junior A Challenge); I forget the name of another he took part in near the start of the season that received Sportsnet coverage (I remember now, and it's in the article; the 2010 Subway Super Series)
• He has broken the Sting rookie scoring records previously held by Steven Stamkos, in particular the 42 goal mark (Yakupov had 49, here's proof of 43) and the 92 point total (Yakupov had 101)

With the reasons given above, I do not know how anyone can suggest that this player is not notable. He's the most notable rookie in the OHL right now, has been the subject of articles such as "The Russians are coming" (which also features Alex Galchenyuk, don't have the link at the moment) and he's being noticed by hockey scouts. I am avoiding the crystal ball argument that he will be a #1 draft pick in 2012, because anything can happen in a year, but he is the most notable CHL rookie of the season, I believe. CycloneGU (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for now as he hasn't met any of the requirements of WP:NHOCKEY, incidently winning rookie of the year would still not do that. As far as international competitions go, only the senior world championships or the olympics meet the bar on that note. As for draft picks, when/if he is picked in the first round then he would be good to go. Single team records just don't measure up either. Right now its crystal balling. -DJSasso (talk) 19:10, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am avoiding the crystal-balling as I stated earlier, but I must ask: how would CHL Rookie of the Year - if he were to win that - not be a major award? Also, I didn't note in the article because I don't know a good reference for it, but he was selected for the Russian team at the World Juniors (the one that beat Canada this year in fact), but decided not to accept the role because he decided he wouldn't get ice time (which would go to the older and more experienced players). If I were to crystal-ball, I'd say he'll be on next year's team for sure, but I won't do that. I also have not said anything about him being a KHL territorial pick as I do not know how that contributes to the discussion. CycloneGU (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Major awards in the past has generally been considered to be the MVP, Top D-man & Top Goalie awards. ie basically the 3 best players in the league. That being said there can be a case for rookie of the year being one, something that will probably have to be argued once he has won it. The world juniors aren't the senior level so wouldn't enter into it. But by all means if he does play in them in a few weeks then thats great, however its pretty rare for junior aged players to play in the senior world championships. -DJSasso (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't foresee him on anything but an under-18 ATM myself. But I agree, at his skill level already displaying the skill he has, I would not be surprised to see him on a senior team - albeit with little ice time perhaps. And I will see if I can find when the awards are handed out, and find out if he wins one. I don't think it will be for a couple of weeks, or maybe even after the playoffs. I'll find out! CycloneGU (talk) 21:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. —DJSasso (talk) 19:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This is one of those cases where there would have been no harm waiting out the season before AfD, as he is virtually assured to win the OHL ROY, and likely CHL as well. As such, we are wasting our time for the sake of process here, as he will certainly generate the necessary coverage in a matter of weeks. Resolute 22:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah I probably wouldn't have nominated it myself. But now that it is nominated have to go delete. -DJSasso (talk) 23:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm with Resolute and delay this Afd. I'm a bit more inclined to include first team all-stars and rookie of the year award winners in addition to best player, defender, and goaltender. Not sure this is too much wp:crystal since he is likely to be named Emms Family Award, given that he won the monthly award three times. I haven't checked, but what how does he meet GNG? Patken4 (talk) 23:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do they name a player of the month for March? Yes they do, I found archived news from April 1, 2010 so they announce for March. Either way, you are correct; Nick Ebert and Eric Locke, both of the Spits, each got the title once (November and December). Yakupov swept the 2011 honours and that includes when he got suspended for a game over what a ref. later admitted was a bad call. (Hate when that happens.) CycloneGU (talk) 00:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As a further note, I have been checking the OHL news archives. Way back on page 48 is an April 8 headline, "Petes Matt Puempel named OHL Rookie of the Year". Unfortunately, I cannot seem to read the article there, but I searched on Google for it and found a mirrored version. It also notes that he was Player of the Month three consecutive times, so if I were to invoke WP:CRYSTAL I'd say Yakupov IS going to win it. Heck, I'll make the call right now from my crystal ball (ooh, shiny). Regardless of my (I agree) useless opinion, April 8 is only 18 days away. It would be silly to delete this out of procedure and recreate it 11 days after it's deleted. I say delay the AfD even if he is not considered notable right now; if my prediction is correct, he'll be worthy of the article on April 8 or whenever they announce the rewards. CycloneGU (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Incubate until the awards are announced. There will still be debate about notability of ROY if only OHL or both OHL and CHL, but it is best to have in a couple of weeks once we have some coverage to argue against. Ravendrop 18:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• That is a very good solution. I'd suggest moving to User:CycloneGU/Nail Yakupov once this AfD closes, so that Cyclone's work is not lost, and they can easily return it to mainspace when the appropriate time passes. Resolute 22:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• So userfy it when there is a good potential of notability in 12 days or so? Personally, I'd rather hold everything as it is until the announcements (which seem to be in April), and if for some ghostly offshoot reason he does not get the Rookie of the Year award, and deletion is endorsed, then I'd want it userfied because I think he will be notable within a year. Userfying now would give a chance for someone else to create a new article after the announcement and then the current edit history is no longer relevant since I can't move it back (unless you can move a page on top of another one?). Off-topic, was just hearing stories about how players don't want to play in Sarnia with the bad record, but there will be so many scouts watching Yakupov and Galchenyuk - who may also be notable next year, we'll see - that it would be SMART to play there. CycloneGU (talk) 14:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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