Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misdeal (cards)

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The result was keep. Tone 17:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This has been expanded slightly, but I believe it is still, in the end, a WP:DICDEF. Guy (Help!) 09:39, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 12:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Question @JzG: can you identify any article in Category:Card game terminology which is not about card game terminology? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Further I'm struggling to see how DICDEF relates to notability WP:GNG in this case? The act of a misdeal is clearly notable, so how does DICDEF apply? This is the nutshell of DICDEF:

This page in a nutshell: In Wikipedia, things are grouped into articles based on what they are, not what they are called by. In a dictionary, things are grouped by what they are called by, not what they are.

If "misdeal" is simply and only a term for something else, rather than a real thing, then what else is a misdeal called and where is that article? i.e. What is the article in Category:Card game terminology which deals with the same thing (a misdeal of cards) by a different name?? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OTHERSTUFF, obviously, but there are many terms of art in card games that have wider usage - wild card, when the chips are down, etc. Misdeal, on the other hand, seems like a dictionary definition. Guy (Help!) 15:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is not what the nutshell says. Which of these is a DICDEF? Which is X under a different name? Beer card, Bettel (cards), Bettler, Bidding (cards), Blank (playing card), Blatt (playing card), Booster pack, Bottom dealing, Card binder, Card player, Card sharp, Card sleeve, Clubs (card suit) , Collectible card game, Cube (collectible card game variation), Cut (cards) , Deck-building game, Dedicated deck card game, Faro shuffle , Flush (cards), Glatze, Glossary of patience terms, In shuffle, Joker (playing card), Kontra (cards), Meld (cards), Misdeal (cards), Misère, Out shuffle, Perfect shuffle, List of playing-card nicknames, Real-time card game, Revoke, Ruff (cards), Run (cards), Schieberamsch, Schneider (cards), Schwarz (cards), Second dealing, Set (cards), Shedding-type games, Shortened pack, Shuffling, Sideboard (cards), Singles (cards), Skartindel, Skatindel, Stripped deck, Talon (cards), Trick (cards), Trick-taking game, Trull (cards), Trump (card games), Upcard, Void (cards), Wild card (cards) In ictu oculi (talk) 16:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge along with any other small cardgame terminology article into Glossary of card game terms._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• keep we could in theory go over misdeals (what makes for a misdeal, effect of one) for each card game. That would take this well beyond any reasonable definition of DICDEF. But we didn't because that material already exists. The topic isn't just a definition. Hobit (talk) 16:42, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable term in card games, sourced, can be expanded, and it never was a DICDEF. If anything, why was at least a merge not proposed prior to taking this to AFD? Alternatives to deletion is a fundamental part of deletion policy but all too often ignored. Sam Sailor 09:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge/Redirect per User:Zxcvbnm — Preceding unsigned comment added by John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The nomination seems to misunderstand the WP:DICDEF policy. That has nothing to do with size; it's all about the style and nature of the article. This article is not about a particular word, its etymology, grammar and other lexical attributes. It's clearly just a stub about a common issue in card games, like shuffling or cutting. That topic is notable and so the rest is a matter of ordinary editing per our editing policy. Andrew D. (talk) 19:36, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - as per Sam Sailor and Andrew D. A notable card-playing term like the others mentioned. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:17, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - If I understand the nominators rationale properly, this is because the article is a stub that can't be expanded, or only a definition (Which it isn't). Shortness isn't a deletion criteria, and there seems to be plenty of sources for this. It's also expandable, if there was say, a high profile card game that involved a misdeal, or in a film. EDIT - Almost certain this is a plot feature in the film - Lucky You (film).Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:11, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.