Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miami hostage standoff

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was close as User:ThaddeusB redirected the article. Discussion will continue here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Hialeah shooting. Beerest355 Talk 19:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Miami hostage standoff

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Non-notable (by Wikipedia standard) event. WP:NOTNEWS applies reddogsix (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How did you determine that a hostage crisis that left seven people dead in Miami is not notable? As a matter of fact, how did you determine that the X number of articles you nominated for the very same thing in a ten-minute period are not notable? DarthBotto_talk•cont 17:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I suggest you focus on the article and also read WP:UNCIVIL. As far as the article's notability please see WP:NOT. If you wish for the article to survive you need to show why WP:NOTNEWS does not apply. The article may be better suited to Wikinews than Wikipedia. If I have misapplied the guidelines, feel free to point out my mistake and I'll close the AfD. My best to you.reddogsix (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Events are considered non-notable (as they are generally only covered by a burst of news coverage and not enduring coverage required by WP:N), until proven otherwise. If you want to write about current news, Wikinews is thataway, and if the story develops into something more, we can then create the article. --MASEM (t) 18:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTNEWS Transcendence (talk) 20:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep subject received considerable national and international attention. NOTNEWS is intended to prevent the coverage of minor local stories, not big international stories. Additionally, the death toll pretty much guarantees this story will continue to be covered for some time, further cementing its lasting notability. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability is not about brief burst of coverage (Even if it is international), but enduring. There's no evidence this will have enduring coverage since it appears more a result of a domestic/civilian dispute than any crime at the national/international level. --MASEM (t) 14:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, vast (international) coverage is indeed one of the signs of notability. Incidents with this level of deaths almost always remain in the news for weeks, then return to the news for the trial phase. It defies common sense to say there is no reason to believe coverage will be lasting. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, vast international coverage within a short period after the event is specifically called out as not a sign of notability. It's newsworthy, but WP is not a newspaper, and fails the idea of encyclopedic notability, that years from now the event will be something that has had some influence beyond those directly affected by it. This is why we need to establish that there is an enduring amount of coverage before calling an event notable. --MASEM (t) 15:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is simply a crime, and unless it gains some other facet of notability it is not encyclopedic in nature. μηδείς (talk) 22:13, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:23, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This incident is also at AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Hialeah shooting. • Gene93k (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Like I said at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013 Hialeah shooting, any article on this crime fails the Wikipedia is not a newspaper policy and WP:EVENT guideline, there is no indication that this tragic event will be a "precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance"; there does not appear to be any significant coverage outside of the US on this what little there is is unlikely to continue outside the current news cycle. This is what Wikinews is for. LGA _talk^edits 20:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Closed - I have WP:BOLDly redirected the title to 2013 Hialeah shooting since both cover the same subject and that article is superior. As noted above that title is also nominated for deletion - no need to have the same discussion twice. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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