Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mattie Lubchansky

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The result was keep. ✗plicit 12:18, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mattie Lubchansky (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Tagged to death since Jan 2022, article is personal in tone and as the tags infer, it's badly sourced, presents no independent in-depth coverage and generally fails WP:GNG. Note the Herblock award does not contribute to WP:ARTIS. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Delete -Changing !vote per WP:HEY improvements by Artw, and two verifiable independent reviews (Village Voice, Publishers Weekly). See note below in comments. The current sourcing and what was found in a BEFORE search is not enough to meet GNG nor but does not meet NARTIST. Perhaps in a few years after some major reviews, or a few notable awards (not as a finalist) or notable collections materialize. If sources can be found that are independent SIGCOV, I am willing to change my !vote, but at this time, there just is not enough to support an article. Netherzone (talk) 23:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Comics and animation. Netherzone (talk) 23:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep found a pretty hefty interview at TCJ and added that, only to find it was in there already, so that's good. Added another from The Beat, will look out for more but am confident in a keep vote. Artw (talk) 02:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Added a bunch more and did some tidy up. Removed several templates. Artw (talk) 03:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I will have a look at the improvements, however, unless our guidelines have changed, I thought that interviews are considered primary sources, and therefore do not contribute to notability. Netherzone (talk) 23:25, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are citations to the Herb Block Foundation and the Washington Post as well as a documented publication history. I think that puts them into notable territory. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:45, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WomenArtistUpdates thank you, I saw the WaPo article and the TIME article, both of which looked OK. But the Herb Block Foundation is not independent, nor did the artist receive the award but was a finalist only, so it does not contribute to notability. The HB Found describes Mattie as an: "up-and-coming artist", which is pretty much aligned with my analysis at this time, that there is borderline notability, but TOOSOON. I'm not familiar with several sources and an unclear if they are blogs or online magazines, but will continue to look into it. Netherzone (talk) 00:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netherzone! yes, I saw the "up-and-coming" reference too, but reading through the Washington Post article about the lack of diversity in political cartooning made me re-evaluate that designation. Oh, and their invention of a typeface :) But you may be right that it is too soon. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is that interviews CAN count towards notability depending on reliability of publication and degree of secondary involvement - in the case of the TCJ interview we should be on very solid ground. Artw (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(if there is anything more substantial on this than WP:interviews I would like to be pointed at it.) Artw (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Artw, there have been many discussions on the talk page of WP:N - see here:[1] Netherzone (talk) 16:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is certainly the case, yes. Artw (talk) 16:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See above change of !vote based on two verifiable reviews - Village Voice (thank you for this Artw and other improvements). I updated the link to Publishers Weekly which is now verifiable. Meets GNG now. Netherzone (talk) 17:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:HEY. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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