Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luka Božičković
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The result was keep/Nomination withdrawn, but it had run the course anyway. Star Mississippi 02:07, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and probably WP:TOOSOON, none of the sources are significant coverage of any kind, its just a routine reports like "player A transferred from X to Y club, the player extended his contract to YYY years" etc. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator – per 1 and 2, which is probably enough coverage for a stub article. Snowflake91 (talk) 23:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - What would be significant coverage vs. routine reports for a football player I certainly can't say with an absolute certainty, though I consider myself a football fanatic. However, I would dare to say that if couple of articles in the media are devoted to a certain player because he is specifically interesting, say, as a talent who is discovered, successfully purchased, just scored his debut goal, debuted in one of the UEFA competition, and so on, then it seems to me that it is not a routine report, it is a report that something interesting has happened which include player so and so.--౪ Santa ౪99° 13:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per GNG, "Addresses the topic directly and in detail. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." So no, a short trivial mention that a player signed a contract and that he scored a goal is not a significant coverage. Maybe you should provide those "couple of articles in the media are devoted to a certain player" then, because all I found were just routine reports of player contract extension and the fact that he signed – which fails under WP:ROUTINE, literally every player in Slovenian top division gets a short article in media like "XXX player, 20 years old, signed for YYY club, he previously played for ZZZ club", but that is not significant coverage. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Look, I understand you and I understand our notability guideline, but I don't expect that we are requiring research papers on players, unless they are sporting phenomenon. Majority of our articles are conceived on sources like reports in sport websites, and that's all the vast majority of players we write about will ever get, not to mention football stubs. ౪ Santa ౪99° 15:54, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Per GNG, "Addresses the topic directly and in detail. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." So no, a short trivial mention that a player signed a contract and that he scored a goal is not a significant coverage. Maybe you should provide those "couple of articles in the media are devoted to a certain player" then, because all I found were just routine reports of player contract extension and the fact that he signed – which fails under WP:ROUTINE, literally every player in Slovenian top division gets a short article in media like "XXX player, 20 years old, signed for YYY club, he previously played for ZZZ club", but that is not significant coverage. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 14:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Possible draftify? GiantSnowman 16:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, coverage on page is significant, non-PRIMARY, and not routine so I don't really see why it would be deleted. See refs already on page like this, this, and this.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- No its not, the first source is a routine report that the player extended a contract (and half of the article consists of a copy/pasted direct quotation from Maribor's sports director at official website, see this), while the third source is literally a report of all Hambrug youth player transfers and Bozickovic is only barely mentioned in one sentence, so you obviously don't know what "significant coverage" mean or didn't actually check the website at all if you call this "significant coverage". You said that the sources in this article, like "player extended a contract with the club" and "post-match report: player scored a goal in this match", are not routine – can you then explain what is a routine report for you if not exactly that? Snowflake91 (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think that either nogomania.com pieces are "routine" reports, they are quite specific - here's another, yet to be included into the article, even more concrete and very specific piece. ౪ Santa ౪99° 00:42, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- No its not, the first source is a routine report that the player extended a contract (and half of the article consists of a copy/pasted direct quotation from Maribor's sports director at official website, see this), while the third source is literally a report of all Hambrug youth player transfers and Bozickovic is only barely mentioned in one sentence, so you obviously don't know what "significant coverage" mean or didn't actually check the website at all if you call this "significant coverage". You said that the sources in this article, like "player extended a contract with the club" and "post-match report: player scored a goal in this match", are not routine – can you then explain what is a routine report for you if not exactly that? Snowflake91 (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - @Snowflake91 I added a few more links. 3-4 were solely about him and were not related to his club. That should be enough. Since he's from Bosnia, you have to search in Bosnian, Croatian, Slovenian and Serbian as they have 3 languages.KatoKungLee (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- You added two links completely irrelevant to him (match reports of Bosnian youth national team and squad announcement of the Bosnian national team), two links to primary source (NK Maribor website), and another link to short routine report "player A moved to team B", and yet another source about his contract renewal where 50% of the article consists only of direct quotation from Maribor's director of football, taken from ther website. Notability is established based on how in-depth the sources are, and not how many links with his name barely mentioned you manage to find, including primary sources and routine transfer reports. The only source that is somehow in-depth is this one, everything else are just routine reports. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- You're not going to find multi-page biographies on players outside of maybe the top 50 players in history. I really think you should look around at some of the other soccer pages on here to get a better understanding of typical amounts of coverageKatoKungLee (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- You added two links completely irrelevant to him (match reports of Bosnian youth national team and squad announcement of the Bosnian national team), two links to primary source (NK Maribor website), and another link to short routine report "player A moved to team B", and yet another source about his contract renewal where 50% of the article consists only of direct quotation from Maribor's director of football, taken from ther website. Notability is established based on how in-depth the sources are, and not how many links with his name barely mentioned you manage to find, including primary sources and routine transfer reports. The only source that is somehow in-depth is this one, everything else are just routine reports. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per Ortizesp and KatoKungLee. Also, the article has been significantly improved and expanded with many sources (WP:HEY). WP:HEY states that it can be "invoked during deletion discussions to point out that an article has been significantly improved since it was nominated for deletion". Young player with ongoing fully pro career for one of best Slovenian teams (NK Maribor). On top of that, the noimnator has withdrawn their nomination for deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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