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The result was Speedy delete, a7 - group with no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki 02:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tafurism

Delete-- WP:OR, we don't take original work. Also seems to fail notablility requirements. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TheDailyNeopets

I fail to see how this website satisfies WP:WEB. Scobell302 01:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tom McNamara

Subject is nn. In addition, the article alleges without viewable citations that the person was a child molester and violates WP:WEASEL while doing so ("While in Mountshannon it is believed McNamara sexually abused Brendan O'Donnell...") If the subject was alive, this article would be a libel suit waiting to happen. Aaron 00:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Mangojuicetalk 16:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one hits on the Radio & Records CHR/Pop Chart (U.S.) and subpages

Before all of these are created, we should probably figure out whether annual charts are notable and not copyrighted. (The charts for 2005 hold the copyright notice © 2006 VNU eMedia Inc. All rights reserved., terms of use here). This AfD does not include the entry on Radio & Records itself, which should be notable, but all annual charts created as subpages. ~ trialsanderrors 07:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, trialsanderrors 00:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SAMIZDATamerica

Blogs, especially political ones, are a dime a dozen. I don't see what makes this particular one notable. Full disclosure: I prodded this for much the same reason and the tag was removed by the editor with nothing else added. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 00:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted per G4 and A7. Konstable 06:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Ruge

This former A7 speedy article fails WP:BIO. I'm taking this to AfD due to its recreation. The 6 search results for the subject's name have nothing to do with the subject matter of the article. [4] Erechtheus 00:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Hocking

This fellow is a writer for the wrestling website Online Onslaught (which, I note, doesn't have an article, though its creator Rick Scaia oddly enough does), and is a former disc jockey, according to the article. There are approximately 1270 Google hits for "Matthew Hocking"[5] and six for "Matthew Hocking" Canadian Bulldog[6], as he's known. I don't think writing for a couple of wrestling websites now and again is notability enough for an article. Was deprodded without comment, so bringing here for discussion. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 00:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. - Glen 15:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NELSAP

recreation of previously deleted article, prod removed with no explanation. Does not provide any independent evidence for notability. --Peta 01:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Speedy delete per CSD G4. Already tagged. --Dennisthe2 17:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, they cite. Rescinded vote, cast as Abstain. --Dennisthe2 17:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP!

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The result was speedy keep per the nomination being withdrawn by the nominator. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 05:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of places in Idaho

This information is better served by an existing category.Dlohcierekim 01:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Petros471 12:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

James Doyle (Ferns)

I don't believe this person meets WP:BIO. There are only 59 ghits for " 'James Doyle' Clonard " [11], and roughly half of those refer to different individuals. Most of the direct ghits are from local Irish news sources about the subject's current trial. Suggest deletion or merging into The Ferns Report. Aaron 01:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of firearms in films

List of potentially unlimited size that would include every form of firearm ever in a film, from blunderbuss and muskets to modern machine guns, with a sub-list of each film said firearm appeared in. Delete as per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information --Allen3 talk 01:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

**Silly Semantical Nitpic There is no way this article could have the potency to become unlimited in size as it would imply there are an unlimited number of movies to draw from.—Mitaphane talk 01:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of firearms in video games

List of potentially unlimited size that would include every form of firearm ever in a video game, from blunderbuss and muskets to modern machine guns, with a sub-list of each video game said firearm appeared in. Delete as per Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Allen3 talk 01:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wickethewok 18:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per above. Ramsquire 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Too broad. 23skidoo 20:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disintegrate with Atom Blaster (Type: Cannon; Class: Level III only) as above Marcus22 20:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pulverize! per nom. YechielMan 02:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment These articles were created after a few people didn't want to see information about "X in popular culture" included in firearms articles, where such a section would describe its depictions in movies and computer games. I don't support the existence of this single massive list, since it's utterly unmanagable and provides minimal information, but it would be nice to have popular culture information included back into the articles. Something like the MP5 or AK-47 could use a mention of its ubiquity in certain roles, if we can find sources to support it, while other weapons like the Beretta 93R could benefit from a mention of prominent roles, like Robocop. An indiscriminate list of every occurance is pointless, but there should be some information back in the articles, especially now that this sorry excuse is gone. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 03:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (already voted keep) In what part of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information is a sorted table of hashed entries disallowed? Many of you may find this information useless, but what about people actually looking for this? First of all, anyone who wants this information back on Wikipedia will simply add it back into the articles on those movies, games, and firearms. I don't want that, and I imagine none of you do either. I'd much rather have a sentence saying "This has been prominently shown in many films; see Article X," rather than "This has been most prominently shown in Movie X," as this invites the same kind of "list addition" as seen in WP:SPAM. I think this kind of page is necessary so that we don't end up with these huge lists on all sorts of other pages spread across Wikipedia. I know, I did a good amount of work, such as cutting down the "Popular Culture" section in Steyr AUG. This format is compact. It works. The old system did not work, and that's what we'll return to if this article is deleted. -- My other big issue: where in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Precedents is this kind of information listed? Lists of this sort are kept elsewhere, in order to keep the information kept somewhere in a concise manner. --UNHchabo 04:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOT. The only purpose of WP:LIST it might conceivably meet is the information source one; however all the information appears to violate WP:NOR - even the apparent citations are original research! GRBerry 12:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gib It with a BFG9000 (which is not in the list, BTW) ... along with List of firearms in films, for the reasons above and in the other AfD. --72.75.117.73 17:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and split into seperate articles for each firearm, or for each firearm manufacturer. Johntex\talk 03:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - fully agree with GRBerry. - Pernambuco 19:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Why does this matter at all? No point whatsoever, really...
  • Delete Another list? More listcruft, and WP:NOT again. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 05:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Technical communication (Forums)

List of links to forums. See Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not. User logged in long enough to contribute this list (Dec 2004) and apparently hasn't been back. Elf | Talk 01:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was SPEEDILY REDIRECTED. This is dupe content, but it has been merged. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality of Adolf Hitler

It looks like this page has been nominated for deletion several times. I did some research and found that this information is already included in Adolf Hitler's medical health -- Stubbleboy 01:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. --- Glen 08:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Bethpage Masquers Guild

Organization that does not assert notability. Also appears to be unverifiable Canadian-Bacon t c e 01:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Voting in the Board election will end in less than two days.

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The result was no consensus. Specific and reasonable arguments for notability have got to prevail over those who claim a topic is non-notable. Verifiability is also raised as an issue, but the claims in the article are very basic, and do appear to be easily verifiable (although not sourced), and arguments are given that the information can be verified. Mangojuicetalk 19:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Unpopular Books

  • del unpopular unnotable and unverifiable publisher. Its website is undeveloped. Why I have an impression that it wants to disprove its title using wikipedia as promo vehicle? I smell a big rat nest around this publisher, which looks like publish A LOT in wikipedia:
Can someone check out the following creations which hinge on unpopular.org.uk?
I don't say that they are not OK. I am just a bit suspicious. `'mikka (t) 01:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The articles listed by mikka are in desperate need of investigation. London Psychogeographical Association, for example, is a mash of unverifiability, weasel words and border-line nonsense. The article states that this is a "largely fictitious organisation" and that it is "best understood in the context of situationist praxis". I think a spate of AfD nominations may be in order. --IslaySolomon 06:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable for a number of reasons, including publishing material by Jean Barrot for the first time in the UK and translating works by Asger Jorn. The connection with the LPA is also notable as this organisation's texts inspired authors such as Iain Sinclair who have used psychogeography in their work. The official website does not include a list of their publications and I have added to and amended the list on the page concerned by referring to books that I own. I am not sure if the quality or lack of other pages or their authors is relevant to the issue in hand. John Eden 08:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and investigate. While the fact that Unpopular Books printed Decadence of the Shamans: Or Shamanism as a Key to the Secrets of Communism may be poetically apt, this seems to be a non-notable publisher dedicated to some minor and unintelligible ideology. I'm not sure that WP:CORP applies here, since this seems to be some kind of marginal movement in art or politics rather than a business. If the business guidelines were applied it falls well short of meeting them, but like all guidelines, they only define what is per se notable. What concerns me is that Mikka's articles seem to be a walled garden. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all No assertion of notability (for the publisher) and per walled garden argument (for the rest) <-- I know it not a deletion criterion but let's WP:IAR and make a reasonable judgment here. Zunaid 14:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • AFAIK there are no specific notability criteria beyond the most basic ones for political or artistic movements. Most of the articles on Mikka's list seem to revolve around some sort of vague melange of Marxism and Dadaism, which makes me wondered whether these articles, any one of which might seem an eccentric performance, might be merged into some umbrella article about this particular tendency. - Smerdis of Tlön 16:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If there are no specific criteria, then this discussion becomes a bit nebulous. I am happy to revise the article on the basis that Unpopular Books is notable for the works it has published rather than for being a publishing company. Googling for the company name alongside names of its authors like Stewart Home or Jean Barrot or Asger Jorn seems to generate a sensible number of hits. John Eden 11:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A POV summary of the reasons for deletion

1) That the publisher is unverifiable. It is easily verifiable that Unpopular Books has published a number of works. At least two contributors to this page own a number of them. As I have stated above, I feel that the texts they have published, and their authors, make them notable.

2) Walled Garden. Because Unpopular Books is in some way linked to other projects such as the LPA, etc, it forms part of a walled garden. I would dispute this. It is clear that authors published by Unpopular Books such as Stewart Home, Jean Barrot and Asger Jorn as well as the collected works of the Black Mask Group have a wide appeal. They are, individually, relatively obscure, but to my mind clearly notable within their respective fields. If people feel that pages on the Neoist Alliance, or LPA, or AAA or NLI should be deleted then I would think that individual calls for deletion should be done on those pages and not here. I note that nobody is proposing that Asger Jorn or Stewart Home be deleted from Wikipedia.

3) "An under-construction text based official website [15]". The page is about Unpopular Books and the works they have published, it is not a page about their website. Indeed it seems unlikely that "it wants to disprove its title using wikipedia as promo vehicle" if its own site is so minimal.

4) "dubious ghits (admittedly a very crude test in this case)". Indeed. As I have pointed out above, googling the authors or titles and Unpopular Books does give a reasonable number of hits for a project of this type (i.e. marginal, but still notable)

5) "Not a hope of passing WP:CORP." Again, as stated above, Unpopular Books is not notable because it is a huge multinational corporation with offices all over the world. It is notable because of the works and authors it has published.

6) "No assertion of notability (for the publisher)". As I have said above: "I am happy to revise the article on the basis that Unpopular Books is notable for the works it has published rather than for being a publishing company." I am unclear if I am entitled to do this whilst the deletion debate is ongoing.

I would invoke most of the reasons for not deleting covered here. I.e. wikipedia is not paper, there is a lack of objective criteria, etc.

It would be helpful if people could respond to these points rather than simply saying "delete" etc - it will add to my understanding of wikipedia if nothing else.

Finally, it seems that the creators of this article have not been informed, could the person who initiated the call for deletion do that? John Eden 14:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep (No consensus). --- Glen 07:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

911: In Plane Site

First deletion reason: Conspiracy cruft video. Fails to assert notability by reference to any reliable sources except a small town newspaper and the Portland alt-weekly (which even my garage band warrants). Fails Wikipedia:Notability (films), WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:NOT, and WP:VAIN. Not available on Blockbuster or Netflix. Morton devonshire 01:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep: Regarding notability and reliable sources, the video has been broadcast on Australian television, and a big stink was raised [16]. The video is reviewed on Amazon. The producer of the video has been interviewed on CNN [17]. While you might dislike the article, it clearly passes notability tests, is in no way original Wikipedia research (not even close), and is not a vanity entry. Sparkhead 02:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It was shown on Australian free-to-air TV as a filler against The Path to 9/11. That Michael Danby called it "laughable" does not make the film notable. Morton may be wrong about WP:VAIN, but he's right about everything else. CWC(talk) 02:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Though it's true Michael Danby calling the movie "laughable" does not make the film notable, neither does it make the film non-notable.--TBCTaLk?!? 02:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment (added after User:Zunaid voted): TBC argued for notability on 3 grounds. Here are 3 counter-arguments:
  1. The Danby comment "does not make the film notable" (TBC, just above).
  2. I believe that anyone can write an Amazon review. (The fact that Amazon sell the video is probably more significant than the review.)
  3. CNN interviews lots of people. Being interviewed by CNN or FOX is not a strong claim to notability; being the subject of news stories from multiple news shows, news agencies and/or newspapers would be a lot more significant.
Cheers, CWC(talk) 17:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Regarding the three counter-arguments:
  1. The Danby comment isn't the notable part. The broadcast of the movie on one of Australia's three major broadcast networks is.
  2. The fact that it is sold on Amazon doesn't seem to be a counterpoint.
  3. Not that it's a particularly respected show, but it is a nationally syndicated one: Coast to Coast AM has also had at least one discussion on the movie.
On another note, whether the movie is a hoax or potential disinformation is not relevant. Personally I think it's garbage, but that doesn't make it any less relevant.
Finally, as Edison stated, AfD should not be a "Pitch til you win " kiddie carnival game. It was nominated before and the result was keep. Yes, consensus can change, but this was just voted on six months ago. Seems there should be a bit more time between repeated AfD's. Sparkhead 11:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please address Wikipedia policy, rather than your personal opinions. See WP:CCC.Morton devonshire 18:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • From WP:CCC: If you think a consensual decision is outdated, you should ask around a bit (e.g. at the Village Pump) to see if people agree with you. You cannot declare a new consensus all by yourself. I don't see any discussion in this article's talk page about deletion, nor anything at WP:PUMP. I see no link in your nomination about you "asking around". Care to provide a link to some discussion you had before the AfD? Sparkhead 18:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's what Afd's are for -- to determine consensus. Morton devonshire 19:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

21 September 2006 (UTC)

  • There was an AfD, and a consensus was reached. The points raised in the first AfD still hold, and there are additional new reasons for keeping it mentioned above.
Some futher metadiscussion: You've clearly violated WP:CCC per above. It does reek of playing a "pitch til you win" game and this nomination, along with other non-policy-based deletion nominations you've put forth recently, border on disruptive behavior per WP:DEL#Renominations and recurring candidates, and WP:DEL#Abuse of deletion process, notably: XfD (deletion) processes are not a way to complain or remove material that is personally disliked, whose perspective is against ones beliefs, or which is not yet presented neutrally. I believe this AfD should be withdrawn for those reasons alone. Enjoy the rest of the discussion. Sparkhead 21:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell are you talking about? Since when is it a wikicrime to put something up for afd? And a majority of editors seems to agree with morton that this isn't an article worth keeping --Peephole 22:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When it becomes disruptive. And most editors DO NOT agree with the nomination, I think I'd re-read the comments on this page before making an over-broad statement like that. Shortfuse 23:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, it seems that only the US media isn't heavily covering this, but international media is. International opinion > US opinion, as this is en.wikipedia, rather than us.wikipedia (unfortunately, but it is what is is...). · XP · 00:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. International coverage. Possibly more importantly, nothing has changed since the last Keep consensus, which was broadly participated in. Please don't just keep asking for a revote until you get one you like. AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Aude (talk contribs as tagcloud) 01:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note as one of the article's biggest claims to notability is that it aired on Australian free-to-air tv, I'm listing it on the list of Australian-related deletions. Andjam 09:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and update Weakest possible keep If this were held a month ago, I would have voted delete. But being screened on free-to-air tv in Australia is a claim to notability. a google news search for Plane Site gets at least 3 separate hits from mainstream Australian news sources. Complaints about it being a second nomination are a bit much - there's always deletion review. Andjam 09:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak Keep marginal. but it's got over 600 google hits, an imdb listing, and a national showing in Australia. i don't see the harm, as it doesn't look like a promotional listing. if it's soon to be forgotten, then this will be just one more page no one looks at. no big deal. Derex 09:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's got international coverage and 121,000 google hits. Its being described as "laughable" adds to its notability, albeit not its credibility, but the latter is not our concern. The article needs to include the National Nine News article, the CNN interview and "Fox News hatchet job". The nom fails to acknowledge this exposure, which not only invalidates the nom, but also the deletes which cite "per nom". We need to be presented with all the evidence, not selective evidence to argue a POV. Three deletes also subscribe to a strong predictive element, namely "soon to be forgotten". We do not delete on what we think is going to happen in the future, i.e. speculation, but on what the reality is now. If something is "soon to be forgotten", it is a testimony to current prominence, as it is stating that it has not yet been forgotten. The previous AfD was near-unanimous, so a second AfD should not have been made without more serious consideration than is evidenced here:[18][19] Tyrenius 13:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Having a Wikipedia article is a big part of any claim to notability. Tom Harrison Talk 14:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Has a very decent article--I'm not saying that's relevant to notability, but's it's not like it's a small stub--and as shown by the ext. links has numerous reviews/comments. I'd also like to know how it fails NOT and NOR, and I certainly wouldn't call it vanity. — mæstro t/c, 16:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Mongo. -- I@n 18:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Details of international TV coverage were added here. · XP · 18:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per CWC. --Mmx1 21:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete precisely as per nomination. Fails any rational test of encyclopaedic notability, and appears to be conspiracycruft (of which we have altogether too much already) Guy 21:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deletion of this article would be a violation of NPOV, given that the article fulfils that and other major policies, it would fulfil a movies notability standard, except for the fact that the factual content is in dispute here, per strong personal feelings about the topic from many users. Ansell 01:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep nonsense conspiracy documentary, but good article and the film and controversy seem notable enough to me. --Canley 05:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Sparkhead, Edison, Tyrenius, Maestrosync --Guinnog 06:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Credible? Hardly. But being shown nation-wide on an Australia free-to-air television network is good enough to establish it's notability for me. Lankiveil 09:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article documents an actual documentary and shows the criticism of it. It was aired on national TV, it's published. Maybe it's about time a team of experienced and impartial admins had a look at all this 9/11 crap and counter-crap and told those on each side of the alleged discussion to look at the criteria more closely and to interpret them properly. Bandwagon deletes and keeps do us no service here. Fiddle Faddle 09:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Doesn't fail Wikipedia:Notability (films) as it passes #1 with reviews in print and tv. How does it fail WP:VAIN or WP:NOT is not explained; I would have hoped, that the nominator explained the reasons for deletion and doesn't just write a bunch of WP shortcuts. What kind of deletion reason is "Conspiracy cruft video."? I hope that people discuss the deletion of the article by the WP inclusion/deletion guidelines, not by subject matter (even how ridiculous it might be). feydey 12:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep per TBC. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It being presented on a national broadcast television channel normally would be an indication of notability, but, CWC makes good counterarguments. (The arguement that it's been too soon since the last AfD is completely wrong, and should be disregarded by the closing administrator.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The broadcast counterargument is simply wrong. It's been broadcast more than once, and it was not broadcast directly against 'Path to 9/11'. Regarding other comments about the lack of validity of this AfD, you really should read what is written. The issue is not the timeframe of the second AfD. I don't believe the nominator is acting in good faith. The fact that the nom states "the video isn't available at Blockbuster", shows that he did some searching outside of Wikipedia to verify notability. At least one of the references provided were easily available in Google news, showing Mainstream media coverage of the video. This is why discussions before a renomination after a consensus was reached are important. Deliberately ignoring such procedures is a violation of procedures, and intentionally disruptive. The nominator in this case has done it multiple times, and in the vast majority of cases the AfD fails. Remember this isn't a vote. It's a presentation of the facts involved with the article. Sparkhead 17:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please stick with policy arguments, and avoid ad hominem attacks. Morton devonshire 23:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might want to familiarize yourself with the content of the page you linked before throwing around "ad hominem attack" accusations. There's nothing ad hominem about my statements. If you feel otherwise, feel free to take it to the appropriate conflict resolution channels. Sparkhead 00:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 18:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Catholicism in El Salvador

Reasons the article should be deleted
  • This article is titled Roman Catholicism in El Salvador. The first paragraph says it is part of the worldwide Roman Catholic Church. Does anyone need an encyclopedia article to figure that out?
  • The second paragraph says how many El Salvadoran Catholics there are and the structure. There are something like 150+ countries in the world. Is there going to be a separate article for each religion for each country? Rosicrucians in Tibet? Jehovah's Witnesses in Bahrain? Scientologists in Tajikistan? This is really almanac-type information, not encyclopedia-type info. It belongs in a Religions section of an article on El Salvador, not here. At most, there could be a Roman Catholicism (statistics) article listing this type of information for various countries.
  • Gee, one bishop was killed sometime during a decade and the military persecuted a religious group during a civil war! How unusual! (And that info was only added recently.) Again, not "encyclopedia" material.
  • There are no citations or sources.
  • "Assassinated" is POV without sources.
  • The alleged reasons why he was "assassinated" are POV and unsourced.
  • The article says the bishop was assassinated "during the 1970's" in the civil war but it did not "officially" begin until 1980. Again, unsourced and POV.
  • This article doesn't talk about Roman Catholicism in El Salvador, it talks about alleged military persecution.
  • Without documentation, "persecuting" and "murdering" are POV and rumors.
  • Almost all editing activity on this article has consisted of adding categories.
  • Given that the article has been here six months, there has been ample time for it to be expanded if anyone wanted to.
RickReinckens 01:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Information such an article should contain
  • Is there anything signficant, unusual or unique about Roman Catholicism in El Salvador as opposed to elsewhere?
  • Do they conduct Mass in languages other than Spanish?
  • Do they have any particular saints special to their country?
  • Do they have any religious feasts / festivals specific to their country?
  • Do they have any practices, rituals, etc., not commonly found elsewhere?
  • Who brought Roman Catholicism to El Salvador?
  • When? Where?
  • How did it spread?
  • Are there any synchretistic practices such as ancestor worship that often occurs in certain parts of South America among native peoples who are allegedly Catholic?
  • Does Roman Catholicism have any special recognition or status from the government, either officially or unofficially?
  • Attitude of other religions in El Salvador toward R.C. in E.S.
  • Attitude of El Salvadoran general public toward R.C. in E.S.
  • What percent of the population is Catholic?
  • Are there any Catholic universities, seminaries, etc.,?
  • Is it spread pretty evenly throughout the nation or is it concentrated in particular areas and if so, where?

These are some of the questions an encyclopedia article on "(any religion) in (any country)" should address.

RickReinckens 01:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to give articles on countries in the developing world more time to grow. There is no Category:Wikipedians in El Salvador, the closest thing might be Category:Wikipedians in Honduras which has two people.--T. Anthony 18:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Claim: "Just because the topic is POTENTIALLY noteworthy is not reason enough to keep a BAD article on said topic". Response: Yes it is. -- Plutortalkcontribs 19:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've improved the article some and I even dealt with some of the problems the nominator mentioned. Although there's plenty of room for improvement.--T. Anthony 00:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The very fact that there has been significant edits to the article after I depprodded and listed with AfD STRONGLY disproves you theory Zunaid. The only thing wrong with this article is that no one paid any attention to it. How many other articles out there, maybe even future FA's would be lost just because no one gave them any love in their infancy? --Roninbk t c # 06:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep per TBC. AFD is not cleanup. Zunaid, I don't find your argument persuasive since it's not a bad article, it's acceptable as a stub article. hateless 16:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepYes, there is certainly room for articles about major religions in different countries. Roman Catholicism in the subject country has different issues and concerns than the same religion in the U.S. Important and verifiable.Edison 17:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expand and Keep A religion in any subject country is important whether the article is small is insignificant. By that logic, even this article could be deleted Jews in Tajikistan --Ageo020 (talk • contribs • count) 22:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep of course. Wikipedia does not expect articles to be perfect when new, or at any specific time later. Having an article in place gives a framework for improvement. The nominator offered a useful outline for the article. Wikipedia invites the world to contribute some of the requested information. Fg2 00:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. If anyone wants to do any merging the history is still there. Petros471 12:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bad Boys of SNL

Original research. There is a "Bad Boys of SNL" TV special, but the term is not used elsewhere. The video could be referenced from the SNL page, but there is no 'group of actors' going by this name. Sparkhead 01:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom Week

Delete. For the same reason stated at Freedom Alliance. --Stubbleboy 01:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of maps in Battlefield 2142

Inherently a game guide, providing little meaningful material and violating WP:NOT a crystal ball. Should therefore be deleted as gamecruft. Prod removed by IP. Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 02:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additional note: This is a very similar deletion to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of maps in Company of Heroes, which I believe sets some precedent. Daveydweeb (chat/patch) 02:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Tarantino

Seems to be a non-notable painter. I googled her and found her own website and a few sites where anyone can list their own products. I found no indication that she has had any exhibitions in independent galleries, won any awards, articles written about her, etc. I realize this is a stub but without at least a little more it probably doesn't qualify as encyclopedic material. If she has had any exhibitions, awards, etc., adding that should be enough to justify keeping this. RickReinckens 01:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as author blanked content. The JPStalk to me 11:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph M. Le Doux

I don't see why this Ph.D is more notable then any other. This is not a CSD A7 as being a Ph.D asserts importance. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sullon zek

A defunct EverQuest server. There doesn't seem to be anything too special about it. I did a Google search which brought up a ton of hits (seeing as its Everquest), but no reliable sources to verify anything. The article was prodded for a while, and removed by an anon basically because he/she could. The vast majority of this article consists of cruft that would be better placed on personal webspace. Wafulz 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked, there is this article EverQuest special servers which with a little pruning, this article could easily fit into. FrozenPurpleCube 02:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only verifiable material I could see being merged into there is the rules, and that's a little more detail than necessary. This could be maybe a one or two line mention in the article, with the article for deletion becoming a redirect at best, in my opinion. --Wafulz 03:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, and trimmed the information I put into EqSS accordingly. FrozenPurpleCube 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I could live with this being a redirect in that case. --Wafulz 03:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Save this page It is a worthwhile page because it was a groundbreaking server that spawned a ton of notoriety. This server is known and talked about by people who have never even played on it. There are many noteable events to come out of this server including "Fansy 'the famous'" whose actions caused sony to change the game works (which took effect on the other pvp servers). I feel this article is being judged by people with no insight/interest towards the topic of the article and the community it represents. This article merely needs to be cleaned a bit but a deletion would be a crime. The server may no longer be running but the community and interest in the article is far from dead. -- 70.65.133.151 09:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then perhaps you might want to do some clean-up to it, though I do think having a re-direct to Everquest Special Servers is a better choice. FrozenPurpleCube 06:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. - Glen 15:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Garboo

nn website, alexa of 1,215,622 [24] Giant onehead 02:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heroic Cinema

niche website, alexa of 658,601 [25] Giant onehead 02:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - fails to assert notability. MER-C 08:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Heroic Cinema and similar film review sites seem to be genuinely useful references, particualrly for non-mass-market films, but information about such sites is spread by blog and word of mouth rather than articles in print publications. I think that Heroic Cinema has established its own notability and the article should be kept. "Niche" doesn't mean irrelevant. And Heroic Cinema can provide useful background for an editor writing a Wikipedia article about an Asian movie. --TruthbringerToronto (talk • contribs • count) 01:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think that is just idiotic to have reasoning like that. Just because you like a website does not mean it should be included here. The alexa rating is pitiful. There is not a single good reason for this site to have an article here. Giant onehead 05:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Top Cartman Episodes

Spun off from main Eric Cartman page, but I see no encyclopedic value in including this list. Do we include every single "top X" list ever broadcast? Andrew Levine 02:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Then what, exactly, is the point of even having this page? Actually, if 'just don't read it' is a valid answer to questions of content merit on Wikipedia, what is the point of even having policies and guide lines in the first place? Why not just let absolutely anybody add absolutely anything? ~ Lav-chan 08:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The closing admin is likely to ignore your keep "vote" unless you substantiate it with good reasoning. Zunaid 15:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jabootu

nn niche site, alexa of 603,208 [26] Giant onehead 02:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Las Horas Perdidas

site is spanish, so it is not suitable for the English edition here, alexa rating is a modest 132,448 Giant onehead 02:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Glen 03:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HOUSD

Webcomic not meeting WP:WEB. No reliable sources on this subject in the article or that I've found, which is in clear violation of WP:V. Its essentially a giant listing of every storyline/gag ever in the comic. Delete.

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The result was Delete. Glen 03:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Skyler technology

Judging by the fact that this article was created by an editor whose only other edits are adding to other articles a couple internal links to this article, I would say the article pretty clearly qualifies as spam. It reads like a press release or corporate website "About" page, and the article's subject appears to be a small, non-notable California technology company with only one product. There are no links to the page from other articles, now that I have reverted the article creator's two edits to other articles on the grounds that they were link spam. I placed the article up for proposed deletion, but the article creator removed the template. Nevertheless, I feel this article is unencyclopedic and amounts to little more than an advertisement or corporate directory entry, and should be deleted. --Slowking Man 03:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The MySpace Movie

Non-notable movie, with neither an IMDB profile [28] or a Rotten Tomatoes profile [29]. Hasn't been mentioned in any non-trivial, notable media sources; and only 198 unique Google results, most of which are links to forums, blogs, and myspace profiles. [30]--TBCTaLk?!? 03:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Wikkipedia has an article on Gary_Brolsma of "Numa Numa" fame but another internet video with well thought out direction and great satire is not applicable for a database on almost anything? Wikkipedia never claims to NOT include privately developed movies (such as popular flash movies) and shouldn't delete an article on a pretty popular film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.213.251.246 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep. If you do a search for "Myspace: the Movie", there are mentions of it in the mainstream press: Boston Globe, SF Chronicle, NY Times, and Time. Most of the references are just mentions of the movie, or about the creator (rather than being about the video itself), but I do think that this particular web video is at least as notable as some of the other Internet Phenomena that are here. --- The Bethling(Talk) 06:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no IMDB entry, which is my bare-minimum inclusion standard for movies. Press mentions are brief and fleeting and don't even come close to adequately referencing the rather lengthy article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Articles about this in The Washington Post [31], Rolling Stone Magazine [32], Esquire Magazine [33] and numerous other mainstream outlets. MySpace's founder Tom has referred to the movie. How many more references are needed? David Lehre has already been deleted although I think merging it with the movie article would have been better. I get 50,000 google results for "david lehre" and most of these seem to be this David Lehre and the MySpace Movie. A quick check of YouTube shows that the video has been viewed over 600,000 times on YouTube alone (not counting Myspace video plays etc), is number 40 in the all time YouTube favourites and has been rated 1722 times at four stars. [34]Citizensmith 13:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I think it's notable enough to be worth keeping. Trebor 15:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No references are mentioned in the article itself as is required. The article reads like advertisement/promotion (maybe another viral way of "getting the word out"?). The minimal Ghits for what is primarily an internet-driven phenomenon indicates low notability. Zunaid 15:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well then why not add the references, tidy it up but not delete it? As noted above it has got a considerable amount of media attention in prestige publications - internet driven or not.Citizensmith 15:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I went and added the references to the reactions section. The article does need quite a bit of work to bring it to Wikipedia standards, but I think that the subject is worth keeping for now. -- The Bethling(Talk) 21:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
After checking the "eggtea" Youtube reference in that article via Google I see it did have over 7 million plays on that account. See Google cache [36]Citizensmith 23:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)][reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamikaze

Brought up by myself at DRV[37] over the first deletion result (no consensus, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamikaze), a recommendation for a second AfD was put forward. I'll paste the post of User:Samuel Blanning that best describes the reasons for deletion:

There was a significant majority for deletion, and the keep proponents, on whom there is the burden to prove the article's worthiness for an encyclopaedia, did not demonstrate that this is a term discussed by reliable sources (rather than just used in passing). Reliable sources that discuss the term are required if we are to write a verifiable article, as opposed to an article trying to cobble together a meaning from passing mentions (i.e. original research by synthesis). The keep proponents refer only to a Google search (which is worthless, gfdgf, which I typed in by hitting my keyboard at random, turns up over 10,000 hits) and a BBC article which does not mention the word anywhere. Oh, and the famed 'there are other articles like this' argument, which should be cause for immediate speedy deletion until people stop using it. Nothing has apparently altered since the AfD, as the article itself currently only contains a reference to Google Groups, a supposed use by a journalist in his blog which I can't even find in the page linked to, and a use in the title of someone's book. Administrators do of course have discretion in closing AfDs, so I mean no disrespect to Deathphoenix, but deletion review has the discretion to overturn them, and I think we should in this case, even if the AfD is quite old. We could also relist, but in my opinion the old AfD and the non-negotiability of verifiability is sufficient grounds to delete. --Sam Blanning(talk) 22:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In my own opinion on the matter I see it as nothing more than a tiny internet neologism that hasn't met widespread use beyond non-notable unreliable sources. –– Lid(Talk) 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not really an internet term -- it's a term coined by one professor, Rafael Israeli. (Google scholar will get you 40 hits, but they're all to Israeli's books and articles, or to people discussing his works). Contrary to the initial nomination, the origin and use of the term are verifiable by reliable sources -- the only question is whether it's notable. TheronJ 00:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If its used by a scholar and other scholars in discussing his work, then it seems suffecient to keep it. AmitDeshwar 01:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article indicates that one writer uses the term. Absent some greater cultural impact, that is not sufficient. Allon Fambrizzi 03:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
  • Delete The standard on neologisms, WP:NEO, says that we need reliable secondary sources about the term, not just ones that use the term. The only reliable sources thus far identified are from the originator, not secondary sources. So this fails WP:NEO and should be deleted. GRBerry 13:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Stuck, see below. GRBerry 22:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I'm torn about how much work to do on the article, since it seems likely to be deleted. However, there are reliable secondary sources. E.g., Dale F. Eickelman, James Piscatori, Muslim Politics, Princeton University Press, July 26, 2004 ISBN 0-691-12053-6, p. ix ("Islamikaze, a term proposed by an Israeli colleague of Moroccan origin (Israeli 2003), is unlikely to catch on."). Sorry for not including it earlier - I read the WP:NEO section about reliable sources, but missed the primary/secondary distinction. TheronJ 13:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as a neologism.--Jersey Devil 06:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I apologize for changing my vote a second time, but I found some more sources. IMHO, most of the reasons stated above no longer apply, as follows.
  • Verifiability. Per WP:NEO, the origin of the term is now verified by reliable, secondary sources. As shown by the article, the term was coined by Professor Rafael Israeli in a 1997 article, and Israeli has been using it ever since. US Senator Sam Nunn discusses the coinage of the term in one of his own scholarly articles and discusses whether the distinction between suicidal motives and military motives on the part of the bombers may be helpful in profiling possible bombers. The article also cites to two other scholarly articles attributing the creation of the term to Professor Israeli and discussing the term. In particular, the article as written today seems to address all of Sam Blanning's (and, by incorporation, Lid's) concerns in full.
  • Notability: This is closer. Google scholar will get you about 40 hits, most of which are Israeli himself or citations to Israeli. Some people, such as Nunn, have used the term in passing, and Bat Ye'or uses the term repeatedly in her book Eurabia. I'm an inclusionist (plus I just did all that work), so I'd prefer to keep it.

Thanks, TheronJ 15:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to Suicide attack. I don't believe this has enough common usage to merit a stand alone article, but it certainly is at least as significant, and at least as well researched, as the terms "Homicide bombing" and "Genocide bombing" which have similar usage and are mentioned as sections in the Suicide attack article. GRBerry 22:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep but subject to conditions. The article has reliable sources, but inline citations appear to be pointing to blogs. Unless credibility of these blogs are properly established, they must be removed and replaced by the news reports as listed in the article as per WP:BLP. If the editors fail to fulfill this requirement after a reasonable period, please feel free to nominate it for deletion again (rather than running the risk). - Mailer Diablo 15:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deborah Frisch

This article seems to have been created simply to embarass its subject, who is non-notable. SkipSmith 04:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about removing all the blogs and personal websites cited as sources in the article and replacing them with more reliable sources? I see the potential for notability but will avidly disregard anything blog related. 205.157.110.11 10:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete, even after repair. Fails the so-called "100-year test". --Aaron 16:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Delete - Upgrading my vote in light of SkipSmith's post below. --Aaron 23:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Big brouhaha in blogland doesn't mean it's encyclopedic, and she clearly fails the Proftest (adjunct and all). Newsbank search yields some scraps. ~ trialsanderrors 17:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The repair seems to consist of adding a few links to local newspaper articles to the list of blogs involved in the squabble. Local news coverage doesn't make something notable. A google search on "Deborah Frisch" returns primarily political blogs attacking her. This article is just an attack by one political blogger against another, and should be deleted. Update: I see part of the repair job was to remove the categories "Abuse," "Aggression," and "Computer Crimes" from the article. I'm more convinced than ever this is a smear job, and should be deleted. SkipSmith 23:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Wikipedia is not a place for bloggers to snipe further at each other. Edison 17:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per A6. Barring that, maintaining as Delete. --Dennisthe2 17:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete per A6 (Attack-page). Otherwise, maintain as delete --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 03:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This page cannot be classified as an attack page just because it includes Frisch's internet activities. And it does meet notability standards. We have many, many pages on Slashdot trolling. Frisch's trolling/cyberstalking is much more significant, because it represents perhaps the most intense internet dispute to date and affected very well-known blogs. Frisch, as a university prof., is a public figure, and as a blogger she has volutarily subjected herself to the limelight. Allon Fambrizzi 03:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
The most intense internet dispute to date? Very well-known blogs? Do you have any reliable sources for these claims? SkipSmith 06:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pringles (game)

Non-notable game. Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. That goes for the beach as well [38]. Húsönd 04:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This game is a very popular game in that part of the world. Wikipedia is a global enyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pringles123456789 (talk • contribs)

The most recent edits were not made by me. At the moment, this page is in order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pringles123456789 (talk • contribs)

Indeed, they seem to have been made by Jbabcock (talk · contribs), whose only contributions are to that article. This seems to be a single purpose account used only to vandalise the Pringles (game) article. JIP | Talk 10:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bircas hatorah

This article contains promotional information taken from Yeshivat Bircas Hatorah's website. The yeshiva itself appears to be small and non-notable Eliyak T·C 04:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was CANCELLED. Sock run. -Splash - tk 17:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Dellegatto

Non-notable local Amreican weather presenter. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (people) . First vote was filled with CFIF sockpuppet nonsense and was undeleted. Lets have a clean vote this time! Lost Knob 05:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Petros471 12:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List_of_LEXX_planets

The page is unencyclopeadic, and not nessecary. It should be merged with the LEXX article.

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The result was delete. —freak(talk) 19:13, Sep. 22, 2006 (UTC)

Get married in dubai

Prod'd but prod tag removed. WP:NOT a how-to/travel guide, WP:OR, essay, advert... anything else? --AbsolutDan (talk) 05:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, booyakasha. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fat ali (rapper)

Musician is non-notable. Fails the "Google test"; the only result is for the already referenced MySpace link. Tagged for Speedy Deletion twice, but tags were removed. -- Dcflyer 06:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The AfD template was removed and this discussion deleted (by Allllllll), but now restored. -- Dcflyer 07:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC). Removed twice. -- Dcflyer 07:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC). Now a third time by 24.82.232.122. -- Dcflyer 08:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC) And a fourth by 24.82.232.122. --Casper2k3 02:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD page currently vandalized 10 times. -- Dcflyer 05:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Riot magazine

Vanispamcruftisement for a magazine claiming an Australia-wide circulation of 30,000. According to its website, it's only 5 issues old. Originally prodded by me, prod tag removed without any explanation. Coredesat talk! 06:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge & Redirect into Christchurch Casino. Glen 03:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kiwi Gaming

Violates WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising Richard 06:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per discussion with User:RRay below, I am now in favor of redirecting this article to Christchurch Casino, the parent company of the Kiwi Gaming website. That article is itself a stub but, based on a Google search of "Christchurch Casino", I believe that there is enough material to expand the article to meet Wikipedia quality standards. I invite all those who "voted" to delete the article to re-consider their decision and change their "votes" to redirect. --Richard 05:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Fair enough. Do the editing and I'll change my vote. Or, wait for the AFD to complete and recreate the article in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines. --Richard 19:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've edited it. It's not perfect yet, but it's not an advertisement anymore either. Rray 00:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Per Richard's suggestion above. Rray 22:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The rewrite is an improvement but it still violates Wikipedia is not a link farm. An adequate article in my opinion would be one that discusses the company's history, its officers, annual revenue, profit, etc. Otherwise, the article still looks like its more intended to attract business than it is intended to describe the business. Also, even if the preceding information were provided, the company would still have to meet Wikipedia guidelines for notability of companies. I suspect the ultimate solution is to have an article on the parent company, Christchurch Casino, with Kiwi Gaming as a section within that article. --Richard 01:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since there's only one external link, I hardly think it violates Wikipedia is not a link farm. But your ultimate solution sounds reasonable - I'll work on it.Rray 01:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The critical piece, as I see it, is having the article reference publications which mention the company without being just a regurgitation of a press release or a trade publication interview with the company. In other words, it must be a "real" news article and not just some sycophantic trade journal article which is a PR promotion disguised as a news article. Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations) provides the details.
As for the current version of the article "having only one external link"... please... don't insult my intelligence and I won't insult yours.
--Richard 04:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I have no idea how I might have insulted your intelligence, but I'm sure sorry if you feel that way. Rray 12:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, perhaps I should have assumed good faith. The bulk of the article remains a list of Internet sites which, while they are not formatted as clickable URLs and are not placed in the External Links section, are still nothing more than a list of external websites. Moreover, the formatting is such that the listing of these websites takes up a prominent part of the article. It wouldn't be so bad if the list of websites was 5-10% of the article and provided as a simple list separated by commas. Putting them in bullet points with section titles for each grouping causes them to dominate the article. Thus, despite Torimadi's comment below, the article still looks to me like a solicitation for people to visit the gambling sites. I'm not familiar with other articles on Internet gambling in Wikipedia but, if they are all like this one, they are all candidates for deletion. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations) and make the article conform to the requirements therein.
Actually, since they have a parent company in Christchurch Casinos, this should be redirected and added as a subcategory of that article, like you suggested earlier. That would be consistent with how other gambling companies are handled. Rray 21:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The current version of the page doesn't seem promotional at all to me, and isn't it better for the end user to provide a link to the official site? That being said, the mention of an article for the parent company with the the Kiwi page as a sub sounds reasonable as well, but it should still contain the official site link in my opinion. Torimadi 16:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect. This should be treated linke all similar companies and articles. An article about the parent company should be created, and this redirected to it, with all the useful info incorporated in the parent of course. If nobody beats me to it, I'll make a Christchurch Casino article. 2005 00:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The new article looks great. I think we should move forward with the redirect. Rray 01:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa there, hoss. Slow down. I'm glad that we could forge a compromise between the two of us but we can't just slough off the opinions of the other editors who have chimed in on this discussion. For a fuller explanation, see this conversation on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). What we need to do now is get enough of the "delete" votes to switch to "redirect". I have started the process by expressing my change of opinion immediately below the nomination. You can help by contacting (OK, spamming) each of the "delete" votes and asking them to reconsider their vote. --Richard 05:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should take your own advice. First, you inappropriately put up an article for afd that should have been prodded instead. An article did not belong under this name since that is not how any other similar articles are done. Second, you seem to have not assumed anything like good faith a couple times, the second time saying "Whoa there, hoss. Slow down" when Rray simply said to move ahead with the redirect. I'd suggest being a little more deliberate, especially before starting premature things like this. 2005 06:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... you're mixing together a bunch of things that are not necessarily related. I will address them individually though not necessarily in order.
First, as far as I can tell, the choice between PROD and AFD is the nominator's call. If the nominator thinks that it is unlikely that the PROD will be objected to, he can PROD the article in order to shorten the process required for deletion. I admit that I chose AFD as the conservative route since I'm not particularly experienced in CSD and PROD. I can understand being criticized for SPEEDY'ing an article that didn't meet the criteria. I didn't think this article met the criteria for speedy deletion although, on reflection, it was pretty close to meeting "No content whatsoever. Any article consisting only of links elsewhere". I didn't think the article was likely to be PROD-worthy because, if nothing else, I expected the author of the article to object. Frankly, I just can't make any sense out of your criticism here. Maybe you can enlighten me as to what you think I should have done instead of nominating this article for AFD.
Second, I reject any suggestion that AFD'ing this article was "premature". Perhaps you meant something else. I welcome an elucidation of your meaning.
Third, as far as my failing to Assume Good Faith, I really thought that RRay could understand what I meant when I characterized his article as still violating "WP is not a link farm". I didn't think I had to spell it out for him. Turns out I was wrong so I apologized. BTW, in my humble opinion, the new Christchurch Casino article still violates "WP is not a link farm" and "WP is not hosting service for advertisements and promtotions" as it stands but has the potential to become a real article if someone will put real effort into expanding it.
Given the repeated failure to add any substantive encyclopedic information about Kiwi Gaming OR Christchurch Casino into either article, I find it increasingly difficult to assume good faith. I have Googled Christchurch Casino so I know that there is some encyclopedic material out there on the Net. Presumably there is more available from sources that are not on the Net e.g. number of employees, annual revenue, whether it is the only casino in Christchurch, the largest or just one among many. What is the nature of the corporation? (Private or public) Who owns it? Who are the management? Etc., etc. So why hasn't that material been added? The failure to address these issues suggests an assumption that promotion of the online gambling websites is the primary agenda here. I have turned unacceptable articles into acceptable articles in far less time than has been elapsed since this article was nominated for AFD. Just today, I have done this with respect to the Poverty in India article. If you really believe that this material is encyclopedic then it is incumbent on you to raise the quality of the article to meet Wikipedia's standards. I considered doing it but I figured there are enough "Keep" votes here to share the work.
The "I won't insult your intelligence" bit was borderline uncivil and I apologize for that. I believe I provided adequate links for RRay to acquaint himself with Wikipedia policy. Skirting around the "not a link farm" policy by claiming "only one external link" is asking a bit much.
Fourth, the "Whoa there, hoss" may have been a bit over-familiar and jocular but the point remains that there are procedural issues that need to be dealt with regarding the Redirect before we could "move ahead with the Redirect". RRay didn't hint that he was aware of these issues and I frankly wanted to check on my understanding before committing to a particular stance here. So I did just that over at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy).
--Richard 07:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heh. I didn't think that anyone was going to move ahead with the redirect without discussing it (and not just on my say-so.). I was just expressing my opinion about what we should do next at this point. Sorry if that wasn't clear; I have no problem with folks discussing this first. Rray 12:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restore Foam

Advertising. Product does not meet WP notability criteria. 347 Google hits, with no third-party writeups as far as I can tell. Two Prod tags and one advert tag have been removed. The article was created by a director of the company which makes this product. I sincerely compliment him for being honest about it. Kla'quot Sound 06:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Don't Delete In the same way that Tempur-Pedic is a manufacturer of Memory Foam mattresses, so is Restore Foam. Restore Foam is related in field but different in manufacture, hence the relevance of listing. I have attempted, continually, to keep this article up and continue to change it to meet editorial standards.

This particular product sector is rapidly evolving with new developments in products which will in turn need definition. Such as the slimline memory foam mattress. Restore is the only manufacturer of this product which is worth differentiating from a more standard mattress. There are also other developments of Memory Foam applications such as memory foam pet beds. For this reason please advise on how this article should be changed. Regards. RestoreFoam 10:54, 22 September 2006

Sure. There are some useful guidelines here. See also Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations). Regards, Kla'quot 17:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Please note that whilst I've recreated the article as a redirect to UNC-Duke rivalry, that is not part of this afd closure, the redirect destination can be changed via discussion on the article's talk page. Petros471 13:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University of New Jersey at Durham

Non-notable nickname for Duke used by UNC fans. By this logic, the most trivial of nicknames deserves its own article. Seems fine to me that's it's mentioned in UNC-Duke rivalry, but doesn't merit its own article, in my opinion. Bluedog423Talk 06:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jake Chinwamo

Stumbled on this while tagging nonsense articles of the original creator, Jchinwamo (talk · contribs), for deletion. Given the single edit beyond the recent nonsense articles creation and the username of the creator of the article this is obviously a case of WP:Vanity by the author. The mp3 address lists the group but nothing about them to assert notability. A search for the comic mentioned has been fruitless and even if it does exist it's admitted in the article it was only seen by a niche audience. –– Lid(Talk) 07:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was CANCELLED due to repeated sockery. -Splash - tk 17:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Leep

Non-notable local Amreican weather presenter. Fails Wikipedia:Notability (people) . First vote was filled with CFIF sockpuppet nonsense and was undeleted. Lets have a clean vote this time! Lost Knob 08:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Petros471 12:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Austin Osueke

This article is about the founder of Eigomanga. An article already exists for the company. Outside of this context, he is not particularly notable; most of the article is about his various jobs, such as a translator and consultant. None of the material in the article is referenced, and it generally reads as a vanity article, especially if the edit history is taken into account. A Google search yields only about sixty or so references to Eigomanga's Austin Osueke, most from press releases. Very few articles link to this article, all of which appear to have been linked after-the-fact by editors to this article. In short, if the subject of this article should be mentioned at all, it should be in the Eigomanga article (perhaps this could be redirected there). --Slowking Man 08:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Big Brother (USA season 8)

The article doesn't provide anything that isn't already assumed, none of it is sourced, and some of it is speculation. J Ditalk 08:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bldea

Contested prod about a school that fails to assert notability. MER-C 09:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Wong (YAF)

Vanity, notablity. In my opinion, an autobiographical article (created by the subject). I dont think this is notable enough for wikipedia, possibly vanity page. MidgleyDJ 09:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aruna gaur

Indian village mayor who lost some elections on a provincial and/or national level. Fails WP:BIO, unsourced. Her non-governmental efforts might be notable, but I could not verify them. Prod removed by anon without improvement. Delete. Huon 09:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD#A7. Kusma (討論) 11:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wesley Armson

Not notable, speedy and prod deleted by anon (or the user who just logged out). -- TexMurphy 10:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

El rancho charter school

poorly written and poorly formatted article about "the coolest middle school" (to 7th grade). Delete as crufty and unencyclopaedic. Ohconfucius 10:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - doesn't assert notability. MER-C 10:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/Redirect a brief summary onto the Orange Unified School District page, per the proposed WP:SCHOOL guidelines. :-) — RJH (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, embarrassing. Gazpacho 19:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or merge to Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California, which already mentions the school. JYolkowski // talk 22:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, charter school. AFD is not cleanup. Kappa 22:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and allow for organic growth, charter schools are indeed notable. Bahn Mi 01:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Current version, not per organic growth which is simply a buzzword with no meaning, not due to a general claim that charter schools are notable, not due to WP:SCHOOL which it is far from clear has a consensus at this moment but keeping because getting first 9 years in a row in a state competion is a reasonable claim of notability. (Note that the other possible notability claim that it is one of three middle schools in the county is such a narrowed claim that it does not go to notability). JoshuaZ 02:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC) changing to Delete per discussion with Thivier. JoshuaZ 01:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're entire vote rests on a single fact, which is unverified. I fear, voting based on unsourced "claims of notability" simply encourages even more unsourced claims, which is a very bad thing. We should be removing, not adding, such unsourced claims. --Rob 02:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment I've looked for a source and haven't been able to find one. However, the claim is by itself notable enough. If others are also unsuccesful in verifying the claim I will move to delete. (If we really run into trouble finding the claim we can always AfD again). JoshuaZ 21:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per JoshuaZ. --Myles Long 20:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm glad someone can give me a good reason for not deleting a [middle] school, rather than the usual "all schools are notable" nonsense. If someone could please reference up the 9 consecutive firsts, I will withdraw the nomination.... Ohconfucius 06:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Article makes explicit claims of notability in achievements at the state Science Olympiad (9 times) and as a recipient of the California Distinguished School award. The nominator's POV that the article is "poorly written and poorly formatted" are justifications for cleaning up and improving it, not for deleting an article. Furthermore, use of the word "crufty" (definition: anything I dislike and feel doesn't belong here, for which I don't actually need to articulate a valid justification), or any of its variations, is often enough on its own to convince me that an article should be kept, especially when used in the nomination. Alansohn 15:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the reasons established at User:Silensor/Schools, this school is notable. Silensor 16:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Come on people, don't be afraid of deleting an article, It is non-notable and not very referenced, that means that WP does nor need ir, nor can be sure is true. It is an article against WP:V, WP:REF and possibly WP:NOR —Argentino (talk/cont.) 21:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, a fair claim to notability is made and the subject matter is verifiable. Yamaguchi先生 23:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Does somebody have a reliable source for the Science Olympiad claim (I'm sure it must exist, but wouldn't know where to look)? I don't understand how that makes the topic more, or less, encyclopedic, particularly when an appropriate source isn't cited. Hopefully, we're not encouraging people to make uncited claims of notability, just so they can avoid deletion. Its far better to start an article with only easily verified, uncontestable facts first (e.g. name,location,size,grades,etc...), and leave unsourced claims to later, when a proper source is found and cited. Its my personal preference to simply remove such uncited claims, but I suppose that would cause upset, so I haven't. p.s. I note an early version of the article, was quite candid in citing its sources, as "various El Rancho students". --Rob 02:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per JoshuaZ. schools with 1,000 students are notable and the article is certainly encyclopedic now, altough it's just a stub. bbx 07:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep please the school is notable and verifiable too this is not for clean up Yuckfoo 21:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A large school. -- Necrothesp 01:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP, this school, like ALL schools, is clearly notable. All that AFDs for schools do is waste everyone involved's time because the deletionist effort fails by default. Schools must be allowed organic expansion and growth. --ForbiddenWord 17:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment It isn't just deletionist who have issues with including all the schools, and saying that since most(note not all) earlier attempts have not gotten the articles deleted is not in fact a keep argument. The claim that all schools are notable is very far from an agreed upon claim. As to "organic growth"- even at least one school inclusionist also considers "organic growth" to be a buzzword with no actual meaning. Making viable arguments is a good thing. JoshuaZ 18:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep, and move to "(meteorologist)" I guess. — CharlotteWebb 17:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Freeman (weatherman)

Non-notable, seems like a vanity page. Amnewsboy 10:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Oh. And i'm not sure about the '(weatherman)' part. Are we supposed to use a more neutral term (like 'weather presenter' or 'meteorologist' or something)? My personal instinct is to change it, but i'm not sure about the guide lines or anything. ~ lav-chan @ 13:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Nothing wrong with 'weatherman', but 'meteorologist' sounds more professional. Ohconfucius
  • Comment: The reason I brought it up is, simply put, an overwhelming majority of other local TV meteorologists don't have their own Wiki pages (in fact, almost none do)... Furthermore, a fellow met at his own station had his article AFD'ed within the past week.[42] --Amnewsboy 13:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: In this case, would Wichita be considered major enough a city to do so? (I'm not trying to be argumentative, I swear -- I just worry that it opens a can of worms, where ever local TV anchor, weather guy, and sports guy ends up getting his/her own Wiki page. --Amnewsboy 05:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I dunno. I guess, in addition to professional notability (i.e., awards), there could be some kind of cut-off for population or for the number of people the broadcast reaches, but i couldn't say off the top of my head. For what it's worth, KSN claims to reach half of all households in Kansas, which is like a million people. ~ lav-chan @ 17:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Kieran

Completing AFD by an IP, deletion reason was "self promotion/ advertisement". Abstain MER-C 10:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was flagged as copyvio. MER-C 12:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conrad Goode

Non notable article and is just a copy of the IMDB biography. BertieBasset 11:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted as copyvio ("© 2004-2005 Miles Consulting Corp") by Uncle G. MER-C 11:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Miles Consulting Corp

It might be possible to write an article about this corporation, but the current incarnation is vanity/advertising by User:Milesconsultingcorp. We should NOT let advertising hang around while we wait for a valid article. Delete. - Mgm|(talk) 11:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mb air systems ltd

Fails WP:CORP, 27 distinct Google hits (50 if you remove the ltd), no other notable properties. Prod removed by IP user without comment. Fram 11:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aegee television

nn web video site, alexa rating of 1,738,106 [43] Giant onehead 22:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ExecUtron Technologies

WP:SPAM Archibald99 19:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Petros471 12:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MYSTERY (log canoe)

Um... a canoe. I don't see the notability of this. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A somewhat revised version is now in place, making the boat's significance clearer. --Huon 13:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry? My French definitely is rusty, but the online translator I used gave: "No place Rhône that we!" Is that a quote I don't know, or what is it supposed to mean? --Huon 18:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

More Fish

Looks like crytalballing to me. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 19:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paul W. Dillon Home

Does not look notablile. Also can we answear the general question of, is everything that is on the national registry notable? Depending on the response to the last question should deciede if this is a keep or a delete. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 02:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps, perhaps not

Maybe, maybe not, depends on your perspective I guess. Dillon figures prominently in the history of Sterling, Illinois. I don't know thoughA mcmurray 05:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sin Boards

I believe that this is a non-notable messageboard. We don't, for example, have an article about the University of Michigan's forum. Or most university forums for that matter. ~crazytales56297 - t-e 23:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Zeppelin: Who are you to judge what is notable or not. If the University of Michigan forum wishes to have a piece about it then it is not any of my business. The Sin Boards are a great resource for people to interact with in a college setting where they are not judged by their appearance or their position in society but mearly by their words and actions. That is a great thing and something that should be remembered and the community that is created online should be fostered. Not distoyed by someone with an inflated sense of self importance. Also how is this not of note. Reading through the opinion on the board you get the real ideas and thoughts of people in Ireland. For instance of the links is to a debate on Northern Ireland. With sides of the arguement that are never heard outside of Ireland. Have a read of that thread and see if you don't learn something about the conflict in Northern Ireland that you would not hear about in America. Wikipedia is supposed to be different then a standard Encyclopedia it is supposed to show all the worlds knowledge and the world in all its truth not just that which pass into the dusty volumes in the local library. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.71.100.248 (talk • contribs) .
  • Paddy: Indeed, Zeppelin is right on the ball. With the ever-increasing fees slowly creeping into the Irish third-level education system, the prospect of people being "left behind" in society grows greater each day, i.e. the less well-off members of society. Great strides have been made by the Department of Education and Science in recent years to increase the number of those people from the bottom end of the income ladder who are most at risk of being excluded from receiving a full education. Various initiatives have resulted in totals losers (up to that point), making it through. Now, you may ask how the Sin Boards fits into this? Well, it's like this: on reading the Sin Boards, you will quickly see that the posters on the Sin Boards are nothing more than the dregs of society, scrapped from the bottoms of buckets littered throughout the west of Ireland. These people struggle through the system, not because of the support offered by the insitution itself, but in spite of it. The Sin Boards members collectively provide a full support system for students who fail exams, miss their annual registration, can't find appropriate accommodation within which to base their studies in an already difficult environment, get into serious financial difficulty or just find their housemates to be really annoying. It offers an opportunity for members to discuss the best and worst moments of their day from seeing a nice flower near your house to having to walk to college on a rainy day, similar to how Americans openly discuss their "feelings" and then give out about people prying so deeply into their lives. In addition, it's the oldest and most successful forum in any educational institute in Ireland, some achievement for a small university in the west of Ireland. The forum picks up some three million hits per year. Multiple awards collected over recent years make testament to the success of these Boards. If the University of Michigan chooses not to set up something to support those unfortunate people from the lowest rung of society in their particular area, good for them, but I feel that the Sin Boards are something to be proud of. (And that's all from a neutral, not involved in any way whatsoever, not even a little bit, standpoint.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.203.7.33 (talk • contribs) .
  • Delete - does not assert notability. MER-C 12:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do not feckin delete it - are you some sort of deletion expert now or something? Paddy. 13:22, 20 September 2006 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.203.7.37 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 12:22:24
  • Delete Typical forum vanity, though at least it's shorter than most. The "boards" in question don't even have their own domain, and the host site is Alexa-ranked at 40,911. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Starblind. --Merovingian - Talk 12:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as above. "It is an utter waste of time", apparently. Can't say fairer than than. Onebravemonkey 12:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please point out the part of the Wikipedia Policies and guidelines say that for an article to be notable the Alexa rating has to be higher then 40,911? Also Please point out the part of the Policies and guidelines that this site specifically violates. So far the only arguement is that the site is not important enough to the above contributors without taking due consideration what it means to people it does effect. This seems to me to be against the ethos of Wikipedia to respect all different peoples Zeppelin. 13:39, 20 September 2006 (IST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.71.226.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 12:45:05
  • Delete - the relevant notability guideline is WP:WEB, and the article shows no sign of meeting it. A lack of reliable sources doesn't help. --Huon 13:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's an award for the host site, not the boards themselves. And I'm not sure I'd call it a "well known award" either. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - there are thousands of messageboards like this on the web and few if any are notable in Wikipedia terms. This article really amounts to a vanity item for the boards' users BTLizard 13:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • And your are basing your "And I'm not sure I'd call it a "well known award"" on what critrea? That it is not American? The link I gave to the site is from Irelands leading Business News Paper. Zeppelin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.71.226.54 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 14:19:39
  • Delete, nothing special about this forum. No third party sources. Recury 14:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Delete, this is just as relevent a topic as many of the other topics that have extensive articles on them. while I dislike that the boards' politics have spilled into the article, and that vandalism has occurred, i still think the boards should be allowed an article, and if this article is deemed inconsequential, then many more articles will have to be pruned, for there are many articles that are equally as "unimportant" as you percieve this one to be. ISTPQ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.203.12.243 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 15:51:21
  • Do not delete Sure there are thousands of boards on the web but a small proportion of these provide a service on the same level that the Sin Boards do. As Paddy and zeppelin pointed out, it is an irreplacable resource to the students of NUI, Galway, as university that attracts people from all over the world to study and an external source of information on the boards can only be beneficial to all concerned. - Triangler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.29.112 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 15:56:25
  • Delete per nom. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 16:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete no WP:RS reliable sources to satisfy WP:RS.-- danntm T C 16:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No notable. DJ Clayworth 17:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:WEB. My alma mater has forums, too. They're not listed here. How many thousands of universities are there? Every one has a forum nowadays. Fan-1967 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/Delete: Merge with the university's page or just delete. I don't see why it couldn't help fill the university stub though. ju66l3r 18:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Fan-1967. Forum fanboys aren't helping their case, either. Danny Lilithborne 19:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Starblind. --Aaron 19:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/Delete - no case has been made yet to convince me that any relevant data on these boards could not be included in the article for the school itself, particularly considering that the school's own page is as short as it is. There's obviously lots of room on that page still available. Badbilltucker 20:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Non-notable. SkipSmith 22:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perspective Most of the posts in favour of deletion are reasonable however a lack of local knowledge is blinding you to the genuine usefulness of the boards. Galway has a population in the region of 80,000 people. The university has a student population in the region of 15,000. I can understand completely that from your perspective, the boards are insignificant but given the size of the university population in relation to the size of Galway as a whole, I can assure you, the boards are more significant than you realise. - Triangler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.29.112 (talk • contribs) 2006-09-20 23:43:36
  • Do Not Delete While I note that the article itself does not assert its own noteworthyness, I'm sure that if the person who put the content there in the firstplace read the WP:WEB, they probably would have inserted the necessary proof. However my understanding of Wiki Entries is that initial entries are skelleton entries there for others to add to, and after some of the material from this page is inserted into the main article, then the article will have proven itself noteworthy. as per the WP:WEB. Arion
  • Do Not Delete Well it doesn't really matter to regualr users of the boards but a wiki entry could help more people in college in N.U.I.G. find our site and the resources it contains. If you want wiki to be fully comprehensive then leave it. I doubt that it will be left but i ask you: why the hell not? - toiletduck
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The result was Delete. Yanksox 12:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Soulframe

Main claim to fame is that a band member is on Australian Idol. Would probably not have been created otherwise. Serserse 03:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

T'lan Imass

delete I see no reason to keep this page It has no weight to add, nor is of any real import. Please vote —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mystar (talk • contribs) 14:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is not a vote. Rationales based upon our Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines are important here. "I see no reason to keep." is not such a rationale, notice. Uncle G 12:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Gee whiz Mystar, it's been up for less than a day and it hasn't been modified by anyone but me. Did you notice the Forkrul Assail page, maybe want to tag that one too? I vote it should be left for at least a couple weeks and given the opportunity to expand it, rather than removing it less than a week after it's creation. I haven't even solicited others for input yet, and I think that's important. By the way, have you even read the Malazan series? If so, you'd realize that the T'lan Imass are a much more noteworthy race than the Forkrul Assail to date in the series, and if anything is not noteworthy, it's the Assail that should be deleted. I'll go solicit others for their opinions and contributions. WLU 16:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep I agree with WLU, at least give the article some time to expand before removing it. The T'lan do have a huge amount of backstory to them, so the material for a good article to form exists. If after a couple of weeks it remains as it is now then perhaps deletion would be suitable. Derf noxid 18:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep It's a race in a popular series, so the topic is valid enough to give it a chance to expand. For the Erikson fans, I hope the Malazan articles don't become a new battleground in the ongoing Goodkind grudge match. -Captain Crawdad 20:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
appreciated. Without the low standards, the hundreds of pages devoted to fictional universes couldn't exist, and all the sci-fi/fantasy geeks (myself included) would be bereft.WLU 22:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As for WP:FICT, the T'lan Imass are a major race in the series, comparable to the Wookies in Star Wars or the Vulcans from Star Trek, they are present in 5/6 books and have big roles in the plot. As for secondary sources, it is unlikely you will ever get secondary sources on any work of fiction - by necessity you are working within the canon. By nature, secondary sources would only happen when you get people writing theses or major literary analyses of big books, a la Tolkien and so forth. If you look at the Star Wars main page, the references are to George Lucas' work, not SW per se, and the sub-pages contain lots of text, some to encyclopaedias about the universe, but also references to the actual novels. I would think that using the original works is a necessity, and the standards are maintained by peers who have read it rather than continuous references to page numbers.WLU 12:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Metallica album

Delete -- While yes It is almost certain that they will release a 10th album, when is unknown and it will not be called "Untitled"; this is comeplete crystal balling. (copied the opposed prod text. Personally, every band can have an untitled + some number.` —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taran'atar

This is a page for a fictional character who never appeared in the TV series, only un-notable, non-canon books. Philip Stevens 11:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Box the handle

This entry fails WP:NEO and is basically a dictionary definition. This is a failed prod/prod2. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Astoria-Pacific International

This entry has been re-written avoiding copyright concerns, but now, and did not before, meet the criteria of WP:CORP. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wa Ji

This entry fails WP:NEO and also WP:WINAD. A failed prod. Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PTools

This entry fails the criteria of WP:CORP. Based on the fact the creator's id is from the corp, it likely also fails WP:OR and WP:VANITY. Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 12:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beacon Center

This seems to be an advertisement for a non-notable place. --NE2 13:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newton Earp

Non notable person, fails WP:BIO. Being related to some famous persons does not make you automatically famous as well. A feeble 66 distinct Google hits, 169 hits in total. This is not caused by the lack of info on historical figures on the internet, if you compare it to the 1.4 million hits for Wyatt Earp or even the 35,000 for Virgil Earp. Newton Earp lived an uneventful life and had an uneventful death: a passing mention on the Wyatt Earp article, if needed, will suffice. Fram 13:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ReplyOther articles are normally not considered relevant to decide if some AfD is valid or not, and to decide if some article is worth keeping or not. We have a guideline, WP:BIO, nd I see not one criterion that Newton Earp comes even close to. Those royals at least will have had their share of publicity in the gossip pages, which lifts them barely higher (but I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of them gone). Do you have any reason why this particular person deserves his own article? Fram 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Notability by association in this case is enough for me, given that he did live to adulthood. FrozenPurpleCube 22:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, Newton Earp was a Civil War veteran, and brother to famous Old West figures. Therefore, the article should remain. It could use expansion and further research, but I disagree with deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.47.88.133 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 21 September 2006
    • Do you mean that we should have articles on every Civil War veteran? Why? As for being family to famous Old West figurines: would you also include articles about Joseph McCarty-Antrim, Susan Lavenia James, or the unnmaed two brothers and three sisters of Calamity Jane? What is the relevance of having an article that states "X is the brother of vamous person Y, but nothing remarkable happened in his life"? Fram 13:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Figurines? I'm going to assume it's a translation error rather than a slur of some sort. Regarding family members, I'd agree with you in cases where only one member of the family is notable, where information about the relatives might be merged to the bottom of the golden boy's biography, but this is different. Deleting this would be like having articles about only four of the Jackson Five. — CharlotteWebb 23:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for "figurines", it was not intentional. I meant figures. And your example is incorrect, since each of the Jackson Five are famous for being a member of the band. Newton Earp is famous for... well, nothing actually. Fram 05:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Newton Earp is not famous, that is correct. However, how many of the Jackson Five can most people name? I'd say two, maybe three. Newton Earp is part of the Earp family, and, much like Paris Hilton, is famous for nothing more than family ties. However, it is notable and part of what shaped Wyatt Earp, as he ran away from home more than once to be like his three older brothers who were serving in the army at the time. I believe the article should remain because it helps identify and define who Wyatt Earp was, and, although the man himself may not be famous, his family is. That's my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.47.88.133 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 September, 2006
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mymidishare

A contested prod that does not assert the notability of its subject. MER-C 13:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. No more than spam to me. PJM 13:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete spammalicious. Danny Lilithborne 19:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am at a lost how this article is considered as a spam as it only tells what mymidishare.com is. Is it because the writer must not be the owner or have any relations with the item mentioned in the article in question? How about the article "Cobra_Group_(Marketing)"? It does not look like an encyplopedia article but looks very much like it has been placed by someone from the company itself(It contents words like our and we). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rchwong (talk • contribs) 22 September 2006.
    Do not take it personally. We wish the Mymidishare website every success. The subject simply does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Thank you for bringing the article about Cobra Group (marketing) to our attention; perhaps that should be put up for deletion for the same reason. I will investigate. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, fails to meet WP:WEB, alexa ranking 2,037,472. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for your advice guys and thank you so much for the kind words.
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

World Innovation Foundation

This article, written by an editor with the same name as the contact given for the WIF, makes extraordinary claims -- the planned construction of a global science city being the most remarkable, with the huge number of claimed Nobelist members not being far behind. (The same editor has also linked large numbers of scientists' Wikipedia articles to this article, and also to the WIF website; so many that I blocked them for linkspamming.)

Yet, apart from a number of distinguished academics having accepted fellowships and other awards offered in letters from the WIF, there seems to be remarkably little evidence to back up its claims that does not come, directly or indirectly, from the WIF itself. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#World Innovation Foundation for more discussion about this, and details of some of the concerns about verifying the WIF's claims.

I propose that we delete this article unless verifiable evidence can be provided for the assertions in this article. If the WIF is an organization of the size and significance asserted by the article, it should have no difficulty doing so. -- The Anome 13:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(Also, if we delete this article, I believe that we should also delete the related article Xanthos Menelaou, from the same author.) -- The Anome 14:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the Xanthos article reeks of being part of a hoax/scam/crank effort too, though I also noticed that the US newspaper The Christian Science Monitor picked the ridiculous "Mighty Aphrodite" story up. This is why we need to be absolutely stringent about requiring multiple, non-trivial independent reliable sources - yes, I'm looking at you, The Game (game). Bwithh 22:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aw crap, I ran a Factiva search, and it looks like UK newspapers The Independent, The Sunday Times and the The Express on Sunday picked up the Xanthos and his BS Aphrodite statue story too. Though that and the CSM article are all the hits in the database. I apologize for my country's laughable newspapers. (And I'm deeply disappointed in you, Christian Science Monitor). Though to be fair, from the reports, Cyprus's Ministry of Tourism got caught up the excitement of Xanthos' brilliant scheme too. Um, Xanthos is probably not a straightforward speedy delete candidate any more - sorry <=P Bwithh 22:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- The WIF website contains very little verifiable data, and looks like a front. The activities of Drdavidhill, who may or may not be Dr David Hill, on this wiki do little to enhance the reputation of WIF, whch appears to be a figment of one man's imagination. Greglocock 13:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per WP:V unless reliable sources are provided to verify the nature of this organization. It is extremely unusual that an organization in operation since 1992 and claiming membership of thousands of scientists and dozens of Nobel Laureates does not show up in newspaper archive searches except in the form of scientists accepting new memberships. --Allen3 talk 14:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Allen3. Looks like a quite elaborate hoax. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize, but I saw nothing to disprove that. Duja 14:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both articles as lacking verifiable, reliable sources. I removed a lot of Drdavidhill's spam from other articles, and all of it seemed to be an attempt at promotion. Wmahan. 14:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] [49] There are all links to academics who accepted fellowship. I think this should be considered as while I have my own opinion, apparently if its a hoax is scope is in fact epic. If you search google, there are hundreds of such entries, is everyone suckered and we at Wikipedia discovered the truth? Perhaps the group is just inactive or not public. --NuclearUmpf 15:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Judging by the the comments on the WIF site's letters page [50]: the WIF appears to send out large numbers of letters to academics, offering them honorary fellowships, and academics write back to say thank you, they'd be honoured to accept. As one commenter on WP:AN notes, the Unification Church is well known for this kind of activity. Now, if these academics have done more than just reply politely to letters offering them an honour, and perhaps release a press release that they were being recognized by such an honour -- for example, if they had attended committee meetings or conferences held by the WIF -- I'd be much more inclined to accept at least some of the WIF's claims. However, I think the burden of proof lies with the WIF to demonstrate this. -- The Anome 15:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Personally I never suspected the organization of being an outright hoax; as others have pointed out, there is evidence it's real. But merely existing isn't enough. I've yet to see any verifiable evidence that the organization is notable, and I think it's telling that the only person who has added information about the organization seems to be trying to promote it. Wmahan. 17:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just to be clear, the original criterion identified for the deletion of the article was that it was not verified information. Are we now adding that the subject is not notable?Risker 17:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The issues aren't completely separate: I think the claim that the organization exists is verifiable, but the claims that it's notable aren't (for example, there's no source for "it can count on the individual and collective support of...87 Nobel Laureates"). What criteria others use is up to them. Wmahan. 17:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. If it exists as claimed in the article, complete with its Swiss foundation and planned global research city on its way, then it is certainly notable, and the article should be kept. If it turns out to be one man with a letterhead and big dreams, then it probably isn't. -- The Anome 17:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm a little unclear as to how the WIF is supposed to come up with proof of its existence, when the primary editor of this article has been blocked from contributing because of the linkspam issue noted above. The person who is in the best position to provide the evidence is not able to contribute. Messages were left on his talk page about link spamming (not verifiability), and there are no comments to the article's talk page expressing concerns about verifiability. Risker 15:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think this is actually false, the burden of proof is not on the organizations as most do not post here. To say they are not notable after apparently information saying they are, means the burden of proof is on the accuser. You can do a google search some people list it as their highest honor and there are speeches WIF members gave, though I am sure they are known for more then that. Also our lack of ability to google their conferences, does not mean they do not take place. While I personally do not believe they exist, the "proof" says otherwise. As I stated on AN/I perhaps its best to contact some of the prestigious members and find out if this is a hoax, but I do think that more info needs to be rounded up before Wikipedia denounces it a hoax. What a black eye it would be if they are real and Wikipedia called such a group fake. Perhaps Arbcom or some legal aspect of Wikipedia should investigate this. --NuclearUmpf 16:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is not about proving them fake; rather, it is about proving their assertions to be real. The burden of proof for a positive assertion is always on the person making the assertion, in this case, the original writer of the article, who, at least on the face of it, appears to be a representative of the WIF. Otherwise, editors are put in the position of having to prove a negative. This is implicit in the verifiability policy. -- The Anome 16:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Proving something is ahoax isnt proving a negative, proving lots of sceintists are fooled is not proving a negative. I have given numerous links showing people belong to this group, their website speaks for itself as well. Its membership speaks for itself as well. If it exists, I think this AfD is not proper way to handle this and Arbcom or someone should put in some research time, or a phone call to them. --NuclearUmpf 16:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying they're a hoax: rather, I'm looking for evidence that their assertions are true, as per WP:V This is all quite normal stuff: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, burden of proof lies with the proposer, etc. -- The Anome 18:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I've found enough references on academic websites to indicate that this is a genuine organisation [51] [52] [53] DJ Clayworth 16:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's certainly no doubt that there's an entity with a P.O. box in Huddersfield that writes letters to academics awarding them honorary fellowships, and that the academics in question accept these honours, and that their university issues a press release. But that is not necessarily a notable activity, as it can be engaged in by anyone with a laser printer and a pen. The question is whether the WIF exists as described in the article, Swiss charity, global research city plans and all. -- The Anome 17:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Pending an investigation. i also do not believe we have enough information to call this a hoax. Per my own research and sources above and now DJ Clayworths. --NuclearUmpf 17:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per new evidence, hope this doesnt come back to bite Wikipedia. --NuclearUmpf 12:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If it is not a hoax, then the WP:CORP criteria apply. As such, all that we have are the organization's own web site, and all of the aforementioned news articles issued by universities and academics announcing that they've been awarded honourary fellowships. The news articles all contain pretty much exactly the same wording (e.. "has a worldwide membership of about 2,000, including some 60 Nobel Prize winners, provides independent consulting services to governments throughout the world on issues related to the development of science and technology") and are clearly re-prints and simple re-hashs of the organization's own blurb, not independent published works about the organization. As such, this organization does not satisfy the WP:CORP criteria, in that no sources exist outside of the organization's own autobiography and simple rehashes of its publicity blurb. Uncle G 17:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the Anome, and the discussion at AN/I. As for "keep pending an investigation", firstly that's the wrong way round and secondly this is an investigation. It seems odd, to say the least, that there is no non-trivial reporting of this organisation. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wouldnt call one editors possible research to be investigation. If this is a hoax then World Federation of Engineering Organizations are also fooled because they invited Dr Karle to be their keynote speaker on behalf of the WIF. Someone was able to contact this group it seems. --NuclearUmpf 17:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, I'm sure they can, and do, answer the phone at the number given, even if its phone and fax numbers also seem to be listed as being used by two small businesses run from a shop in Huddersfield. (see [54] and [55], scroll right, and [56], [57]: a Google search for "43 Lower Fitzwilliam Street" also yielda interesting results) I would not at all be surprised if the 88-year-old Dr Karle spoke on their behalf, when invited to do so: he appears to be a great and good man. The question is, again, are they, as stated, a globe-spanning organization with the active involvement of 3000 scientists, supported by a Swiss charitable foundation and with realistic prospects of building a $22 billion research city? -- The Anome 17:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Looking at evidence at ANI, I'm rather convinced this is not what it seems. It may fall short of a 'hoax', per say, as the organization does exist, but in the same sense that a diploma mill is not a real institute of higher learning, this is not "multi-billion dollar global centre for scientific research." Public relations releases from universities mean nothing, as those PR departments at universities are vicious at taking whatever they can. As it stands currently, its a joke. Why are their offices and registrations in the UK, if they're based out of Sweden? Where's the past information and coverage about this organization? As Uncle G puts it, each of the pieces of 'news' have the same PR-style wording. Not only do I belive the subject is not notable, but in the end nearly all the claims are unverifiable and dubious. Plus, there's vanity involved. Last, where's these research centers that are supposedly all around the world? Burn it. It can be recreated when they finish laying the concrete foundations for most of the buildings in their $22b research city. Kevin_b_er 18:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • STRONG Delete This is an entirely non-notable organization. If the organization sounds on the level and it doe not cost them anything - Academics will go "sure" to anything that they can put on a letterhead. Not sure what the endgame is but it's a paper organization. An international organization like that run out of that address in Hudderfield? That should have set the alarm bells ringing to start with. EDIT - the homemade website should have been another clue. --Charlesknight 19:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative Delete as above. Exception: This hoax/crank/scam insitute may have been successful enough in promoting itself to merit keeping an article identifying it as a hoax/crank/scam institute.... Bwithh 22:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But our analysis that leads to the conclusion of hoax/crank/scam institute is original research in itself. The only purpose for it is that we identify it for what it is in order to delete it. Without reliable sources for denoting it as a hoax, it'd be original research to have it as an article about a hoax. --Kevin_b_er 00:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The WIF seems to be a real entity on some level, and if there is independent evidence about its membership and activities, I'd support recreation. Even if it's a hoax, if it has indeed attracted so many Nobel prizewinners (most of them well into their twilight years, by the look of it), it would be a notable hoax. As it is, there is a vanishingly small amount of evidence about the organisation which does not come from its own website and "executive chairman". --ajn (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 15:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carlsbad grimple

Fails WP:V and WP:NEO. Doesn't appear to be in widespread currency - 129 Google results, and only 12 unique results (none of them from a reliable source). makomk 13:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Only reference is to a joke news show and Urban dictionary, and shame on Urban dictionary for allowing this. DJ Clayworth 16:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If there are pages on the dirty sanchez, the Cleveland steamer, the donkey punch, the rusty trombone, etc., then this equally stupid article should be kept. I also think it should be kept so that I'll have more ammunition when I begin my letter writing campaign to school superindendents advising them to ban Wikipedia in schools and even ban any citing of Wikipedia in school papers. Please don't ruin my fun. Billy Blythe 02:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - widespread usage not established. JASpencer 08:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I've heard of it, even in London, so not just U.S. usage.--Poetlister 16:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As somewhat of a newbie, I judge articles based not on what I think at all, and only according to (rather strict reading of) WP guidelines. Let me also preface the rest of this by saying I am far from a prude, and widely circulated many of the above listed phrases amongst friends back in the day, and in an attempt to see what human are capable of I have a library of some rather gross and disgusting images and videos which frankly don't disgust me anymore. So, coming upon this article I did first what I usually do: read the appropriate guidelines, in this case WP:NEO. To judge a neologism on whether you've heard of it seems to suggest you haven't read WP:NEO lately. What are these guidleines for if arguments are made which ignore them? In spite on what I've read on the other sexual neologism debates, I think they, too, still fail WP:NEO miserably, and suggest another debate on the merits of them at all. Guyanakoolaid 22:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ah yes, but remember the steamer. Remember the Dirty Sanchez. Read the AfD's for those. The Cleveland steamer was even taken to DRV by an admin after it was kept, an unprecedented move at the time, as DRV was at that time only for appeals on deleted articles. No one seems to want to hear debate on this type of article anymore. It's apparently been discussed to death. The only solution I can see is to keep things like the Carlsbad grimple to set a low bar for inclusion for sex moves. Then, every silly sex move from Urban Dictionary will be copied over into Wikipedia and someone higher up than I will be compelled to do something about it in the form of a policy. Poetlister's vote is valid as it is clearly based on WP:IAR, an old policy. People love the Grimple, man, so don't fight it. Billy Blythe 23:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really didn't want to, but keep. It's a well-known term, well-known enough to make The Daily Show. Sigh. --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Delacroix

Look, I love me some System Shock 2 as much as the next old school computer gamer, but having individual pages on characters who just appear in log messages in the game is (a) too spoilerish and (b) too fancrufty. It's fine to mention the notable characters in the main System Shock 2 article. It's over the top to have this in its own article. Nandesuka 15:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider this AfD to apply to Anatoly Korenchkin, also. Nandesuka 15:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well to a certain extent I agree with you, even though I was the one who originally made this page. It isn't really enough info for an individual page. However, I don't think it should be deleted outright, rather it should be merged into another SS2 related article such as the Trioptimum article. Deleting it seems a little harsh in my estimation. -- Grandpafootsoldier 00:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deville (Talk) 03:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Odious

An article on this band was previously deleted as a result of discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odious. It appears that nothing has changed since then. I could have speedied it as a recreation of deleted content, or as a nonnotable band... however, I chose to bring it to AfD because repeated recreation of deleted content may be evidence for notability. I am not taking a stand one way or the other on that possibility, but I wanted to make sure it got a fair hearing. Powers T 13:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, after considering arguments presented, not !vote numbers. Petros471 13:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Driving UK

Probably well-intentioned, because some thought has gone in to categories and "see also" links, but this appears to be an advert for a website and may not be sufficiently notable. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 12:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advanced Driving UK is a recongised road safety organisation in the UK and referenced in many places on the internet as the definitive resource for advanced driving information. The article will be expanded by ADUK members to bring together the knowledge on Advanced Driving gained from the site. Should the article be deleted there would also be such consideration of the deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Advanced_Motorists which is a blatent advert. Gerovitus 14:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Slashdot has its own wikipedia page! How is ADUK much different? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.30.198.101 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC).[reply]
I've struck out the comment about categories and links because I notice that it's lifted from another article (Institute of Advanced Motorists) – not saying that's a bad thing; merely that it loses the strength I'd assigned it in my first sentence. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please quote which part was lifted. You'll probably find the external links where modified on the IAM article in accordance with similar resources after the ADUK article was created. Gerovitus 22:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gerovitus, please note that (as I said) I'm not suggesting anything bad has happened, merely choosing to retract a bit of my comment. But also: sorry! Because I see that you're absolutely correct, and I got it backwards about the fact that the "see also" (though not the categories) was new to the IAM article on September 5th. However, I stand by my point that however excellent the Advanced Driving UK website may be, (and I don't want to knock it as a site), it may not be notable enough for WP. The bottom line though is that the Institute of Advanced Motorists is different because it's a long-established registred Charity which does things in the physical world and is recognised by many insurance companies, which makes it notable. A website ought to be pretty special to be notable on Wikipedia. As has been noted below, Slashdot meets that criteria by having a very large number of users indeed. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ADUK has links with one of the largest insurance broker's in the UK. The IAM qualification is only officially recognised by AON (IAM Select). The IAM's charity documents clearly show the IAM's commercial goals, they're article is an advert. Gerovitus 22:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would help the article's case then, to include those links with the insurance broker. And also, if you think the IAM article is an advert, that's not a defence of your article, it's a reason to change the IAM one, or nominate it for deletion also, surely? – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 22:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair comment Kieran. Gerovitus 23:09, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • Keep The AD-UK entry should remain, IMO. It's a very valuable resource for thos wishing to improve their driving and is well-subscribed by some very highly qualified road drivers who assist them in doing so. Given that there are entries in Wikipedia for such organisations as Sustrans and Transport 2000, there's no reason not to allow AD-UK to remain as an entry. They have ostensibly similar objectives although AD-UK is probably more practically oriented for drivers who wish to make a positive contribution to road safety in the here and now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.134 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 9 September 2006
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  • Comment Having read and taken on board the comments in defence of the article, I've tried giving it a bit of a cleanup, and crucially given it an opening sentence which defines what kind of a thing is being talked about – previously the article dived straight into prose, not in very clear Wikipedia style, and one was left unsure of the nature of the entity. It remains unstated whether it's a company, charity or unincorporated body. I've also toned down the number of times the name of the website is mentioned (with capital letters) which hopefully go towards making it all a bit more readable. The main problem with the article now is the number of unreferenced statistics and statements (i.e. "you can help" ;-) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 14:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete not notable or encyclopedic. --Peta 04:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Leftwaffe

This is a non-notable neologism. There are 89 unique search engine results, none of which establish a reason for this term to be in this encyclopedia at the present time[58]. Deprodded after 4+ days by the creator, who saw fit to make no changes to the article and to make no comments as to why he felt it appropriate to save this article. Erechtheus 13:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 10:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Davey

Claims notability but very few Ghits[59][60]. Speedy and prod tags deleted by author. -- TexMurphy 13:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted, recreation of previously deleted and userfied article, CSD A7, CSD G4 -- The Anome 12:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin O'Brien

Vanity page and duplicate text from the user's page Janarius 14:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

India Students' Association Saskatoon

I prodded it, and it was de-prodded by article creator Raguks under the reasoning: ISA is one of the useful organisation. Many look for ISA to know oppurtunity in Canada. That is a sufficient notability. While it may be useful, so are lots of businesses that still fail WP:CORP. Even aside from questionable notability, this seems to be a fairly young student group; while they can't all be Skull and Bones, there doesn't seem to be enough history, notable alumni, etc. to compose a decent article with. If all the contact information and so on was removed from the article, we'd be stuck with a permanent 3-sentence stub. SnowFire 14:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The problem is that it's sometimes difficult to tell the difference between an actually relevant organization who simply has a cruddy stub (like many genuinely relevant historical figures) and spam. If someone (preferably not me) is feeling bloodthirsty enough, Category:Students' unions seems a veritable hive of organizations of questionable notability. PSA RWTH, CODON (study association), and DESI Develop Empower Synergize India seems to be 3 for 3 in clicking random entries and finding articles of unclear importance. There are probably more in the national subdivisions, but at least for the US, there's a maze of similarly-named frats which are hard to differentiate, at least for me, and thus probably unsuitable for a mass deletion attempt. SnowFire 03:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect Danity Kane (album). It was already done during the afd and EndlessVince seems to have commented on the album itself. Someone might look for the song so a redirect is better than deletion, but a supposed single that might be released next may won't make a good article by itself. - Bobet 15:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Want It

Should either not be listed or should be in the group's own article Springnuts 19:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This AFD was incomplete. Fixed now. Yomanganitalk 14:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SecurStar

No claim of notability beyond an uncited magazine award. Delete per WP:CORP. Haakon 14:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The magazine is already cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fvianna (talk • contribs) 07:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Advertising spam. SkipSmith 22:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven of Transnistria

Original research, "joke", hoax, WP:NPOV, WP:V. I'm not sure there is a policy this page doesn't violate. - FrancisTyers · 14:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Data are sourced - there are links who prove the corectness of data from this article. So, there is no original research and no WP:V issue. Regarding WP:NPOV this is not a reason for deletion. In talk page of the article I agred to have a neutrality warning until the final version will be done.--MariusM 22:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin. The creator of the article, EvilAlex has engaged in "vote stacking". [61] - FrancisTyers · 17:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mauco, is a misconception that you need to cleanup every single article about Transnistria from Wikipedia. There is place here for other opinions about Transnistria than yours. Maybe you have a longer period as Wikipedian, but I don't know if you have a longer life experience or a better knowledge about Transnistria than the contributors at this article.--MariusM 19:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No comment. (Don't want to bait a troll). - Mauco 21:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • To Alex and Marius: this article reads like a non-encyclopedic essay. I read some articles in their online media and I know that it's composed mostly of false or misleading propaganda, but if you really want to write about this, do it in an encyclopedic way. You could write an article about Media in Transnistria, but please use reliable references for each major affirmation. Also, the usage of jokes, even related to the subject, in Wikipedia articles is not ok. :-) bogdan 20:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Was that a delete or a keep? - Mauco 21:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A Delete :-) bogdan 21:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: MariusM placed a notice on Wikipedia talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board 18:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC) notifying people of this deletion and specifically requesting a keep vote. I notice that no one made a note of that here. - Jmabel | Talk 04:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete. It is possible that there is article potential here. I doubt this is the correct title, though, even if there is, and this is such a mess right now that I can't tell what in it might be preserving. Bogdan's Media in Transnistria idea might be a good way to rework some of this, but it needs to be NPOV, etc., like any other Wikipedia article. This reads like it was written with a poorly wielded dagger. Might be worth user-fying to mine it for anything substantive… if there is anything substantive, which is hard to tell. - Jmabel | Talk 04:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 16:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Crack (craic)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article merely describes the usage and origins of the word, which are perfectly appropriate topics for a dictionary, but not an encyclopedia. Both spellings of the word are already in Wiktionary so no need to transwiki. Recury 14:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • It doesn't go past an entry in a dictionary at all. It just gives the meaning, the usage and the word origin. Recury 16:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Either way, this is a cultural concept that is definitely notable enough to merit inclusion, but which cannot be covered adequately by any one existing article. The existing article may be far from perfect, but, in this case, deletion is not the answer. --IslaySolomon 19:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything is negotiable in Wikipedia. In addition, the WP:NOT policy states: However, it may be important in the context of an encyclopedia article to describe just how a word is used to distinguish among similar, easily confused ideas, as in nation or freedom. In some special cases an article about an essential piece of slang may be appropriate. This is one of those special cases. If the current article is insufficient, then we need to expand it, not delete it. Jimgawn 12:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The current title, Crack (craic), is appropriate; Craic would perpetuate the misconception, which has arisen in the last 20 years or so, that the word was borrowed into English from Irish, when the reverse is the case. (Much more on this on the talk page.) Jimgawn 22:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Category:Words, to which I've just added this, has quite a lot of articles. One point of interest is the spelling, which has been altered from crack to craic to look more authentically Irish. Just check out the talk page to see how contentious this is. I've added a bit more to the text, with references. There is more to be said about craic; I think it's already over the non-dictionary threshold. It would be churlish to delete it and insist any recreation sprang fully formed past the point the article is now at. BTW page-rename debates have also taken place on the page; that's a separate issue from the present one. jnestorius(talk) 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)\[reply]
  • Delete a passable dicdef (but WP:WINAD and why are the DOST/DSL missing anyway ?) to which has been added a fair bit of unsourced, made up stuff. Verifiable in the sense of being WP:NOT material only. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dyadem International

Fails WP:CORP, non notable company, less than 1,000 Google hits (even less distinct ones of course), which isn't a lot for a software company Fram 15:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Death life

Fails WP:MUSIC. The only site that confirms the band and their recordings exist is their own Blogger entry. Prolog 15:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — CharlotteWebb 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bush Push

individual plays are not notable, borderline WP:OR and fails WP:V in some parts, and clearly violates WP:NPOV, Delete Jaranda wat's sup 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Individual plays can be notable. See The Play. SI.com has both of these on their list of greatest college football game plays. It does need to be written in a more NPOV and needs more sources (I added one before this AfD), but being poorly written isn't grounds for deletion. "Bush Push" + football gets 28,000 google hits as well. Furthermore, I have heard the term being used in NFL games by announcers when the ball carrier is pushed. VegaDark 23:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Needs to be cleaned up, but topic is very notable. This controversial play changed the landscape of the whole college football season in 2005. PDXblazers 01:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - The results of the play are clearly notable, and the play itself was one of the key factors in those results. And, yes, I am an old USC guy, but not because of the football team. Badbilltucker 15:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as above. —Wrathchild (talk) 20:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep if it can be cleaned up and rewritten. WarpstarRider 22:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Since I live in South Bend, the effect that the Bush Push had on the entire town was almost instantly noticeable. ShadowMan1od 23:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's awfully hard to argue that Sports Illustrated would fail WP:V... --Roninbk t c # 07:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Although the article requires cleanup, the topic is certainly notable and encyclopedic under all applicable Wikipedia standards, as well as any imaginable common-sense standard. If the only available options were Keep and Delete, I would vote Strong Keep. However, the game in which this play occurred is itself notable and encyclopedic, and as such, I would argue that this article should be merged with a newly created article about the game. Unlike The Play, The Catch, the Immaculate Reception, the Doug Flutie Hail Mary and other notable plays, the Bush Push was part of a game that will be remembered for much more than just that one play. The USC-Notre Dame game of October 15, 2005 is widely considered one of the best games in college football history (some would say the best, but it's probably too early to make that judgment), and it had two other plays/moments that were just as individually memorable/extraordinary as the Bush Push: the 4th-and-9 pass from Matt Leinart to Dwayne Jarrett, and the out-of-bounds fumble by Leinart which caused the Notre Dame student section to prematurely rush the field, thinking they'd won the game because the clock had prematurely run out. The Bush Push, of course, was the next play. But even beyond these three plays/moments, the whole game was extraordinary and notable. It was one of the most-hyped games in recent memory (for example, the Friday-night pep rally at Notre Dame Stadium was nationally televised), and yet amazingly, it managed to exceed the hype. The game also proved very significant to the overall 2005 college football season, as it allowed USC to remain undefeated and ultimately reach the national-title game; if the Irish had won, they might very well have reached the title game in the Trojans' stead, or else Penn State would have gone. Anyway, the game itself deserves an article, and the Bush Push should be a substantial segment of that article, and the Bush Push page should redirect to that article. 129.74.201.21 15:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If the only available options are Keept and Delete, I would delete. The article, while covering a notable and encyclopedic topic, is not itself very encyclopedic. It is written with a sneer at Notre Dame. If an option is to rewrite it as objectively as possible, then by all means keep it. For example, "a well-known ploy" with respect to the green jerseys. That statement has little encyclopedic value. Also, the author is mistaken that "Irish partisans . . . roared with approval." Sure, they cheered for the team, but Irish fans in the stadium were generally apprehensive about the green jerseys. Anyway, what does all this talk about jerseys have to do with the play? It seems to serve the contributors purpose to simply mock and sneer at Notre Dame. I would keep the basic facts, but re-write it without any bias. I would also modify it so that all spelling errors are corrected ("rejoyced" anyone?).
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Burzukh

Fails WP:MUSIC. Article suggests the band has released six recordings (demos), but Metal-Archives.com confirms only three of these. Nonetheless, the band is not notable enough. Prolog 15:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herman's Cricket Ratings

Vanity, Not notable. Barring wikipedia and its mirrors, only gets his home page, a rankingsoftware.com link and a freedictionary link on google: [62] Richfife 15:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily and saltily deleted by Lucky 6.9. --Coredesat talk! 17:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zippy (SWG)

Prod removed with the comment "This document should NOT be deleted. I verify that Zippy was a valid and major character on our server." Apparently, a character created by a gamer on one server of the SWG MMORPG, unknown outside that server. Fails WP:FICT and WP:WEB, whichever applies. Fan-1967 14:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note - nomination removed from the log by Tiveria - Yomanganitalk 15:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Gone and salted. Fan-1967 16:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sangertown Square

This article fails WP:CORP. Out of the 326 unique search hits, there is only one bit of coverage about the mall itself. Erechtheus 15:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Gamer's Quarter

Online gaming magazine that was the focus of one MTV news article a year ago. No other news coverage indicated, and thus fails WP:WEB (i.e., multiple non-trivial published works). Chock full o' vanity (creator has same username as the managing editor). -- Merope Talk 15:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anglo-Saxon kingdom genealogy

Insofar as the article isn't incomplete original research, it appears to be based on anything but reliable sources. No doubt there's an encyclopedia article to be written on the claimed genealogies of Anglo-Saxon kings, and what those claims tell us - the Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England has an article on Genealogies, Royal - but this isn't it nor does it contain any useful material for such an article. Apart from WP:NOR and WP:V issues, there's also no primary sources to consider. I suggest to delete but do not protect against recreation as this is a valid headword. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nyac

Seems unnecessarily crufty. More of a Star Trek wiki thing than a Wikipedia thing.-- Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Hand Grenade. - Bobet 15:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flash Grenade

Article is non-notable by itself, and should probably be combined into an article encompassing all weapons from the video game. Propose delete and merge as such. --Dennisthe2 17:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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The result was Speedy deleted by Luna Santin as copyvio (WP:CSD A8) - Yomanganitalk 22:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saturna

notability not established; few related links found - CobaltBlueTony 17:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 21:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Famous Kapus

POV list of people with absolutely no criteria for inclusion. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I tagged it with cleanup and wikify tags, but looking at the history, there seems to be little chance of that ever happening. Coredesat talk! 17:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete, attack page. NawlinWiki 21:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas O'Brien

There is a real Thomas O'Brien at Verizon, which is why it's heavily wikilinked (See what links here. This isn't him. I'm not sure if this qualifies as CSD G1 patent nonsense, which is why I brought it here. TransUtopian 17:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wounded duck

Seems to be a hoax. I asked at the discussion page of Ice Hockey first and no-one has indicated that they recognize the term. No reference found in Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GringoInChile (talk • contribs)

  • Delete: The term is a neologism that relates to more than just hockey and I can find no valid source for the quote used in the article for "notability". On top of that, the article has a hoax fact that the term is somehow related to the "knucklepuck" shot from the Mighty Ducks movie(s) (a "wounded duck" has no power behind it and flobs to its target, like a tipped pass in football; the knucklepuck takes an erratic flight similar to a knuckleball pitch, due to intentional end-over-end rotation of the puck). ju66l3r 17:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I've heard the term used (very rarely) to describe a wobbly or errant pass in football; certainly not in hockey, to which the article alludes. Even with that there are just a handful of G-hits, and far more in terms of sportswriters fishing for turns of phrase less banal than usual than for a catchphrase the public might find recognizable. RGTraynor 23:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I have never heard this term used in my 23 years of hockey fandom. Resolute 05:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

McMahonism

Previously nominated a few months ago resulting to no consensus. This article is fancruft and over-emphasising a WWE storyline that really isn't that notable for Wikipedia and lasted only a good few weeks before the McMahon/Michaels feud evolved away from religion. Oakster (Talk) 17:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Gotshall I

Delete. Subject is not notable per the guidelines of WP:BIO. [Check Google hits] Search for only "Brad Gotshall" brings up 25 Google hits; "Destish" shows 60, none of which have to do with a media company. I don't really know what this article is supposed to be. I tagged it as a prod, and the article author removed it.... discospinster talk 19:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Golftec

Delete Company fails the WP:CORP guideline. Article reads like an advert. Was speedy deleted once before and has remained unimproved for six months, with no additional evidence of notability despite appropriate tags Gwernol 19:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Avery

Non notable conspiracy theorist. All the relevant information has been merged into the Loose Change (video) article. Peephole 19:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why would you think I'm him? I found this, and it seemed very bizarre that there was no article and it was redirected off. Does 4-5 (at least) news sources count as notable for a stub? · XP · 00:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not a single one of the articles is specifically about him, so no they don't count. He has also produced only one film. Not enough to warrant his own article and everything is already merged with the Loose Change article.--Peephole 01:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment because the entirety of his article can easily exist as a subsection of Loose Change (video), his only film, which he has only shown inclination of revising endlessly. He has directed one film. Why should he have an article seperate from said film? Where is his notability independent of it?--Rosicrucian 02:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Bobet 15:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cedar Lee

Non notable artist bio, fails WP:BIO. Article link kindly added by author of article shows that she has gotten a solo exhibition at the art centre of a colleague-alumnus, and the article is from her school as well, in a series about recent alumni. No outside reviews, awards, works in musea or major exhibitions, ... She may become notable, but for now, she is just one of many debuting artists. Fram 19:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Glen 23:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek Vs Star Wars

nn mod, misleading title Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 19:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Songs that start with telephone sounds

Prod removed because someone disagreed that this should be deleted without discussion, so listing now. My main concern with this article is that there is nothing special about songs that start with telephone sounds. If this is kept it opens the door for Songs that start with burping noises, Songs that start with baboons arguing, and Songs that start with with someone saying the word banana. In other words, it opens the door for a list of songs that start with ANYTHING, a potentially endless amount of lists. My other concern was that this list was entirely unsourced, however the person who removed the prod added a couple sources for individual songs. The vast majority still isn't sourced. WP:NOT a collection of indiscriminate information. VegaDark 19:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wagflation

Was proposed for deletion as a neologism and original research. The OR is gone but it is still a protologism per the zero ghits for the word wagflation. WP:NOT applies. Delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 19:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about laziness

Listcruft, indiscriminate collection of information. Subjective and ambiguous, most of the listed songs are really not about laziness, but about resting, sleeping, boredom or temporal idleness, and many merely include the word "lazy" in the title or in the lyrics. Ezeu 19:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 16:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A DRV consensus has overturned the previous closure unanimously, resulting in a deletion of the article. [64] Xoloz 15:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seventh Party System

Article was prodded, but author deprodded for consistency with First to Sixth Party System. It looks to me as if the whole range is fairly unnotable, but that the use of the terms declines dramatically to the end of the range, making the article Seventh Party System a case of WP:OR. Seventh Party System gets 10 distinct Google hits, which is terribly low for something that only started in 1994. Of these links, at least this one[65] lets the seventh start in 2000 at the earliest. This article[66] only agrees on the first five (which are not up for deletion), and sees the outlines of a seventh system only in 1996. So we have very few references for a seventh party system, and the few we have disagree seriously. This makes the concept non notable and the article WP:OR or at least not according to WP:NPOV and hard to WP:V. By the way, we even have only 59 distinct Google hits for the Sixth Party System, so the whole concept seems to be a bit out of fashion... Fram 19:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • TJS in xyr dissertation (TJS (2003-11-17). "OntarioElectionStudy" (Microsoft Word). Duke University. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)) says "a debate rages as to whether the United States is in its sixth or even seventh party system" and cites Aldrich. Aldrich (John H. Aldrich (1999). "Political Parties in a Critical Era". American Politics Research. 27 (1). SAGE Publications: 9–32. doi:10.1177/1532673X99027001003.), in xyr turn, merely argues (writing in 1999) that we "should be reaching the end of the consequent sixth party system". U.S. political historians don't appear to yet agree that the seventh party system has yet come to be. Uncle G 20:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, Aldrich makes up at least 2 of the 10 links I found regarding the 7th PS. Umm, Uncle G, was that a Keep, a Delete, or just a helpful comment (which is of course welcome)? Fram 20:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I say we Keep this article. I surely agree that there may be disagreement as to when the Seventh began, but that point is worthy of noting in the article itself. It certainly isn't a valid reason or point to delete the article. If you feel the whole range is unnotable, perhaps the proposal to delete should be the whole range, not just one part of it. In fact by selectively deleting only this one portion, it would leave the reader confused as to the missing time frame (that you propose to delete.) I don't believe there would be much support at all to delete the entire range, as it is a scholarly term and subject much studied. As far as google hits, many somewhat abstract scholarly discussions will not find a wide discourse in general society. That surely is no reason to delete from wikipedia, or any encyclopedia for that matter. (You will find many topics with articles in wikipedia that are far less scholarly or otherwise used than this, and they too are worthy of maintaining inclusion.) Wikipedia has no requirements as far as numerical google hits.

I hope my comments help with some context as to the need for this article, as part of the series.

Sincerely, Josephf 21:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a further note, being that we were discussing google results, John H. Aldrich of Duke University is one of the scholars as far back as in 1997 (in Political Science Quarterly, see [67] ) made the polical science observation that we are currently in the Seventh Party System.
  • Delete Non-historical, nonreferenced. Just because some poly sci wonks have speculated about a seventh party realignment, it does not mean it should be presented as a scholarly consensus, as this article appears to do. From a practical standpoint, the article makes no argument for any great sea change in the parties in 1994, only that the Republicans took control of the Congress in that year. I don't see why the "Seventh Party System" would not have begun in 1980 ("Reagan Revolution"; "Reagan coalition" controls Congress) or 1972 (Nixon Landslide, effective death of '60s-style big government liberalism). Allon FambrizziAllon Fambrizzi
Allon, I think you would be better suited to suggest the article be updated to clarify your points, rather than delete the article in its entirety. Certainly it has historical value, and we have some references in this discussion (see above) that ought to be included in the article itself. As far as scholarly consensus is concerned, we could discuss in the article any scholarly disagreements as to the timeframe of the Seventh, when it began, when the Sixth ended, etc. In 1994 the Congress became Republican for the first time in 40 (fourty) years.) That it seems is quite a sea change. It certainly is a strong argument for the scholars who classify the Seventh beginning in 1994. In any event, these points ought to be mentioned in the article. (Hence the reason why the article is currently classified as a 'stub'.) 169.132.18.248 14:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But the term is only used by very few authors, and even those disagree on when and how. What makes "seventh party system" notable? Being the logical next after "sixth" is no argument,a we could then just create "eigth", "ninth" and "tenth" as well. e should have articlse on scientific terms that are widely used in their speciality, but it looks like "seventh party system" is not widely used at all and is rather obscure. When it gets more mainstream (at least to the level of "fifth party system", although even fourth and fifth party system are still pretty obscure), then an article would be warranted. Now, it seems that only very few authors / scholars use the term, while mainstream politicologists / historians don't use this classification, certainly not for recent times. Fram 15:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fram, As mentioned previously, your argument then should be do delete the Sixth Party System as well, not just the Seventh. Now your saying even the 4th & 5th are "pretty obscure" (in your words), it seems you are arguing to delete the whole series. Are you planning to propose to delete this series piecemeal, one by one? I don't think there is the rough consensus needed for that.
Sincerely, Joseph 15:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
wikipedia's afd policy is not to count anonymous votes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertyqazqaz (talk • contribs) 21:10, 21 September 2006
  • Stong Keep It should have a citation needed remark maybe, not delete. Give it some more time to get the references. If you delete because its an obscure scientific term, you'll delete 50% of Wikipedia scientific articles, since most scientific articles are obscure to non specialists (political science and other sciences.) Qwertyqazqaz 01:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But this one is obscure inside its speciality. Fram 05:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This discussion has gotten off track. The argument isn't that this is an obscure poly sci term, but that to the extent political scientists have spoken of this term it has been speculative. This article passes it off as common wisdom that there was a party realignment in 1994-- which it isn't-- and does so completely absent of sourcing. Now, if someone were to add sources to the article, that would be a VERY different situation. The point is, as it is written the article is very misleading; there is no consensus or even substantial academic support that I know of for the idea that a new party system began in 1994. Allon Fambrizzi 23:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi[reply]
  • Weak Keep Allow time for additional stuff--references,etc. The Sixth article is no more informative than the seventh. Both are listed as stubs. Since poli scientists to a certain extent use both, allow discussion of who agrees with it and who not in the article itself. Homehouse 00:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see there is 3 Keeps and 2 Deletes (not counting an anonymous vote.) Can we remove the tag from the article? (There seems to be a strong argument for maintenance and at best there is no rough consensus to remove.) Joseph 16:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect is optional. - Mailer Diablo 15:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

LEGERDEMAIN

Self-published book. Author removed speedy tag and is likely to remove prod tag. Plus, I kind of doubt this is the only book on Amelia Earhart's disappearance, as asserted. NawlinWiki 19:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The remark of the above party is a very 'anti-book' remark. Most of the best writers have started out by self publishing. "A good book is a good book--regardless of who printed it" is my motto.

LEGERDEMAIN is a fully, legally published book, which is, indeed, the only non-theory book ever published on the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. It has been featured repeatedly at the Amelia Earhart Festival in Atchison, KS and is drawing increasing attention. It represents a step forward in collecting and correlating the knowledge on this subject. The party who posted the complaint should get a copy of the book and check it out before lodging complaints. --David K. Bowman, wikiman999

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your Hurt

just lyrics Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 20:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Bobet 15:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slugfets 20-04

nn-game Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sally Rennison

Nonnotable British child stage actress; article asserts some press coverage so probably not speediable (and speedy tag removed by author anyway). NawlinWiki 20:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think she is an amazing actress i saw her playing Dracula's girl in the palladium and loved it. I saw on google that she had got into acting and got through into The journey to the moon. She is inspiring dont delete it please— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotbabe109 (talk • contribs)

  • Delete as per nom. Sorry, but she is not encyclopedically notable. If you want to put a fan page about her, I'd suggest getting a free webpage on a free webhost (Wikipedia is not this kind of site). (Aside: you'd think Dracula was a kind of too adult a theme for seven year old ballet dancers but anyway....) Bwithh 20:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as non-notable. A Google search for "Sally Rennison" actress gets no hits, so that one newspaper article was probably her only 15 minutes of fame. The webpage resumé also only lists school productions, etc. A far cry from meeting WP:BIO. Sandstein 20:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I was the one who speedied this, because a single newspaper reference to an amateur performance six years ago does not, in my book, constitute an assertion of significance or importance. She may be wonderful, and I wish her well, but doesn't meet the threshold of notability just yet. --Pleather 21:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform Communication Processor

Duplicated at Uniform Communication Processor chip.

A self-evident hoax: both "Uniform Communication Processor" and "Ono-Sendati" get zero Google hits (well, apart from one dead matchmaking webpage, oddly enough). The PROD was deleted immediately, of course. WP:V, WP:NOT etc. apply. Sandstein 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Feingold

This young man who started a record company has absolutely no evidence of notability given in the article File Éireann 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: I went to www.tripleplatinumrecordsandentertainment.com (an assertion of notability made here, NOT in the article itself), and it bounced me to something called "Esterman Entertainment", a company which seems to have several celebrity clients. What it does not have, however, is an indication that the company is owned by anyone other than Chuck Esterman. I can find no references to Mr. Feingold. But even if this assertion can be proven, that does not itself connote notability. The film and music industry are filled with agents who have one connection or another to someone famous. That doesn't make them famous themselves. Pleather 21:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Yes, they are different people, the first of which is notable while the second one doesn't seem to be. At best, should redirect to the more notable one with a disambiguation link to the other. --Alan Au 20:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Non-notable person, not every entrepreneuer is notable enough for WP article. Signaturebrendel 21:21, 20 September 2006
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Hill

hoax article created by Flinders, a known sockpuppet of Mattisse. See also Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse and Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mattisse (2nd) -999 (Talk) 20:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all. - Mailer Diablo 15:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Vision Serpents and associated pages

Three articles relating to a local band from Buffalo, New York (the band, an unreleased "album", and a list of also unreleased songs). The "album" appears to refer to a performance they did on a local college radio show; I suppose it may have been recorded, but any recording isn't even available on their website. As mentioned, the band has a website, as well as a MySpace page, and their gigs are posted on setlist.com, but that's about it. They have not achieved any of the indicators of notability commonly used for musical groups. The articles are orphans with no other links from elsewhere in Wikipedia. They appear to have been created by a group member (some of the text is a copy of what appears on their MySpace page), and there's an absence of sources aside from what they're saying about themselves. --Michael Snow 20:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic Emirate of Waziristan

The article violates wikipedia's cardinal content policy of verifiability. Moreover it is also a duplicate of the Waziristan accord but with the twist that a newly coined term i.e. 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan' has been used in order to give the uninformed reader the illusion that there is some newly formed independent state which has been set up in the tribal areas of Pakistan. The fact of the matter is that the tribal areas or FATA have always been out of the bounds of the central government and even though the Waziristan accord binds the government to remove newly constructed security check points in the region; it does not call for the total withdrawl of government presence and creation of some separate state, as has been implied here. As such this article is a total work of fiction and is based on false foundations. The references are weak, to say the least, and thus this article needs to be removed. Red aRRow 20:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Additional comment The only reference, out of all the neutral references provided, which even mentions (and very briefly) this fictitious term of the 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan' is the one from Newsweek. All the other references are about the Waziristan accord or its ramifications. I won't comment on the Press Trust of India report as it is an Indian goverment mouthpiece and does not fall into the sphere of a neutral source when it comes to topics pertaining to Pakistan. Thus just writing up a new wikipedia article based on a term which has only been mentioned by one news outlet in only one of their reports is, in my opinion, not something which can be called a verifiable piece and hence will go against wikipedia's verifiability policy according to my judgement. Red aRRow 10:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete per WP:V and WP:NEO. As of now, the usage of this neologism seems to be limited to warblogs and such, whatever it may actually be intended to mean. The lenghty navel-gazing on this article being taken at face value by some confused reporter also violates WP:ASR. As of now, all of this probably warrants a brief mention in Waziristan or related articles, but the article may be recreated if this term comes into mainstream use (or once such a state is actually founded, of course). Sandstein 21:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to weak delete; the Newsweek article uses this term as the name these guys have allegedly given to their "state", but one media mention probably isn't enough. I still think this doesn't warrant its own article yet, but should be monitored further. Sandstein 21:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete. The article is not backed by any real fact and has not been reported by any media worldwide (spsrt from people quoting the article). The peice dis-credits wikipedia as a source of relaible information. 82.31.151.203 13:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - the phrase is mentioned in a Newsweek article that does not cite Wikipedia:"The tribal militants call themselves "Pakistani Taliban," or members of a newly coined and loosely knit entity, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan."[68] Tom Harrison Talk 14:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep

Despite Red aRRow’s unsupported assertion, this article does violate the principle of verifiability. Quite the contrary; the article is rather well footnoted. Red aRRow need only refer to footnotes one and two to verify the article’s introduction. As such, Red aRRow’s insertion of verification needed edit is clearly erroneous and borders on vandalism (as does the entire attempt to delete this article). The fact that a publication has printed facts which contradict an official state policy (of any government) does not render that publication irreputable.

Second, Red aRRow’s assertion that this article “is also a duplicate of the Waziristan accord” is simply incorrect. One need only compare the two articles—both their content and their citations—to discern the difference. However, one correction should be noted with respect to the article and the term “Islamic Emirate of Waziristan.” The author of the article states that "The Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is the name given by some commentators to an area of Waziristan, Pakistan that they say gained de facto recognition from the Government of Pakistan on September 5, 2006 as a result of negotiations between Islamabad and local tribesmen to end the undeclared Waziristan War.” (Emphasis added.) Actually, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is not what “some commentators” have termed this de facto autonomous region; rather, it is the name coined by the Pakistani Taliban for their new “state.” (See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13990130/site/newsweek/ at ¶ 2.)

Third, whether or not the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan exists as a de facto state is irrelevant to its validity as an article. Contrary to Red aRRow’s unsupported assertion that the article is “a total work of fiction,” the article is fully verified and factual. Unlike Red aRRow, the author makes no assertions of opinion, and also unlike Red aRRow, virtually all of the article’s facts are cited to legitimate and reputable original sources.

Red aRRow is obviously passionate about the Pakistani government’s reputation in light of the peace treaty recently signed with the Taliban in Waziristan. Nevertheless, Nationalist passion—however fervent—should not be allowed to dictate which articles remain in Wikipedia, and which are deleted. A review of Red aRRow in existing Wikipedia pages reveals a singular concern for maintaining Pakistani honor, which is perfectly legitimate as long as the arguments are factual and based on violations of Wikipedia policy. In this case, they are not.

Furthermore, as the article fortunately documents, the Pakistani government has essentially stated that it would like to have the article deleted. Nationalism is not a basis upon which to delete an article. Indeed, the irony of Red aRRow’s and the Pakistani government’s arguments is that to delete the article would itself be a violation of Wikipedia policy.

I would respectfully disagree with Sandstein’s two arguments. First, as pointed out above (and by Sandstein himself), the article is verified.

With respect to the neologism argument, I would say that while perhaps technically true, a neologism is not fatal per se. Moreover, given how recently it was “created,” the disputed nature of its status, and its geographic and cultural remoteness, to say the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is a neologism doesn’t mean a whole lot—it’s somewhat of a tautology. Likewise, given how underreported this region is, to wait until a vague “mainstream use” is attained offers no benefit other than denying the reader the opportunity to educate himself and seek out original sources. Finally, the article should not be deleted until “such a state is actually founded.” The point of the article is its “founding” according to the Pakistani Taliban, and arguably according to the terms of the peace treaty between Pakistan and the Taliban. If an entity is deserving of an article only if it has widespread international recognition, then shouldn’t the Transnistria article be deleted as well? And for that matter, the Islamic Emirate of Afganistan should as well considering the fact that only a couple of countries ever officially recognized it.

Finally, the phrase “Islamic Emirate of Waziristan” has historical and contextual significance. This new entity was founded/is attempting to be founded by the same people who founded the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. The article should remain. Mtclvrt mtclvrt 9/21/06—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mtclvrt (talk • contribs) .

    • Reply - The debate is about the credibility of the article, which I comment upon by addressing your arguments: which is basically that the article is not original research, its central information is verifiable, and it’s capable of a neutral point of view with good editorship. The arguments against this article are an obvious attempt to remove material that is personally disliked, which is illegitimate and an abuse of the deletion process. Finally, your recent likeminded colleagues below give one the distinct suspicion of sockpuppets. Mtclvrt 02:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • Delete. Without genuine sources of information the whole case is more of a novel to be read. It sounds more like someone taking their frustrations out on someone, a personal vendetta maybe. There are various elements to this case which can and are tarnishing the image of others without any just reason.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.31.20.122 (talk • contribs) .


  • Strong Delete. This article's claims are completely incorrect and are based upon accidental or deliberate misunderstandings of what is reported in the links. Wikipedia will have lost all credibility if this artical is kept.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.82.48.56 (talk • contribs) .
  • Delete this lieI am a Pukhtun, Pakistani, from the town of Parachinar. I have family that resides in Wana and having said this, i can defend in no uncertain terms, that this article is a blatant lie. Necessay steps have been taken and the Pakistani Journalist has been warned about the weak credibility of Wikipedia. Your website has become increasingly infested with indians. If the Wikipedia Managment does not take the necessary steps to stop the influx of biased and Anti-Pakistani arctles, then we will take the necessary steps to red flag this website in Pakistan and tag this website to all Pakistani Journarlists to stay away from. As the only thing this article does is to damage the credibility of Wikipedia, nothing else. The truth stands dispite the lies that may be posted on the internet by these spineless, devious indians. Dizasta - 21:16 21 September 2006 (UTC) (User:Dizasta76, Who's only edits are to this page.)
  • Delete. The article seems like propaganda. In fact, i've never heard of anything like the 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan'.

At first i thought it was a practical joke but i was surprised to find that it was being taken seriously. 132.161.221.18 21:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep As an encyclopedia the website has the right to keep this article in place, and as an independent article too i.e. not to be merged with Waziristan accord. The fact of the matter is the "Pakistani Taliban" have termed this name to their region. Their is no writ of the Government beyond Mir Ali and Miran Shah, and there never had been any government authority in the 7 Tribal agencies in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA). The author has not put his personal opinion in the article but have collected the reports of reputed journalists who have expertise in reporting the matters related to Afghanistan/Taliban. To name one such journalist is Syed Saleem Shehzad of Asia Times Online, who has been working on the subject since 9/11. A number of other press resources has been conforming with Syed Saleem's reports eversince he unvieled the story in December 2005. It has been verified from a number of resources including BBC (off and on) that Taliban have the practical control on the both sides of the Pukhtoon belt i.e. in Waziristan and the Southern Afghanistan and it is believed that sometime in coming months Mullah Omer (Taliban Supreme Leader) is expected to announce the re-emergence of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. This is the covert reason behind the Waziristan accord, Musharraf's visit to Kabul and US's unpleasant watchul comments. Both Islamabad and Kabul feel threatened the way Taliban have re-emerged. Both capitals are trying every best in their own way to stop the strong rise of Taliban, this is why Pakistan has signed the accord with the Tribal elders so that they withdraw their support for the "Pakistani Taliban". So on grounds of not having personal opinion of the writer, factual reporting on behalf of different Press sources and as an Independent credible story, the article should be kept in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.81.213.157 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep Technopilgrim here. As originator of this article let me make some extended comments.

Regarding the claims that wikipedia is becoming "infested with indians", please take a look at the primary contributors to this article. I am not Indian. I am a 6th generation Irish American from the Midwest. Osgoodelawyer is a Canadian law student. Inkan1969 is not Indian as far as I can tell -- his edits suggest he's a fan of microstates, flags, and national anthems worldwide.

Take a look at the two main news sources underpinning the article, Asia Times Online and Newsweek. Asia Times Online is based in Hong Kong. Newsweek is based in the US. Neither have any stake in the India/Pakistan conflict. Take a look at the reporters who have provided us thes articles. Mr. Syed Saleem Shahzad, the Pakistan Bureau Chief for Asia Times Online, appears to be Muslim, not Hindu, if his name is any indication. The Newsweek reporters, Ron Moreau and Hussain Zahid, also lack Hindu names.

I am dumbfounded by the claims we are "Indian teenagers", "devious indians", and that our edits evidence Wikipedia is "increasingly infested with indians". How could anybody come to that conclusion? You've given me quite an education as to how high passions run on this topic, and how these emotions do not require an basis in evidence. It discredits you severely, if I can be frank. I thought the periodic insanity on the Tibet talk page was the epitome of irrational, emotional outburst, but by comparison it's a model of cold scientific reason...

On the topic of bias, I just took the time to check the user contributions of everyone who has voted "delete" so far in this discussion. Silly me, I took the time to check up a bit on who is saying what here. Save User:Sandstein, who votes "weak delete", I observe that none of you has made a single edit on any topics besides the topic of Pakistan or India/Pakistan conflict (that's Red aRRow, 82.31.151.203, 62.31.20.122, 203.82.48.56, Dizasta76, and 132.161.221.18 -- all monotopic contributors). (Not quite zero actually -- one of the IP addresses made a single edit to adjust the Muslim population quoted on the demographics of Thailand page). So you guys are not exactly the model of unbiased contributorship. I also observe the eldest of you, Red aRRow, has only been contributing since July. Prior to his involvement in this article (he is the one pushing for this VfD), his edits have been limited entirely to topics pertaining to the Pakistan Navy...

I can't help but connect a dot or two. This past week the Government of Pakistan publicly stated they will take "immediate notice" of this article on Wikipedia. I'm not sure what that means, but it comes to mind that perhaps a few of you are employed by the Government of Pakistan. Nothing at all wrong with working for the Government of Pakistan and contributing to Wikipedia, but it does seem suspicious that the long-time Pakistani Wikipedians are silent from this dispute, while all these newbies are crying "lies!" and "fiction!" and repeatedly attaching POV and VfD flags to the article, without bothering to provide a single verifiable source to counter the references put up by the Wikipedians outside south asia.

Changing gears, let me add a few more points to the thoughtful contributions made above in defense of this article:

  • 1) The text of the Waziristan accord is secret. The press in Pakistan is regulated by the government. The area in question is remote and very dangerous, as Mtclvrt points out. Combining these conditions, it is unrealistic to expect the same level of news investigation we expect for stories unfolding in the US or Europe. When we get two independent and unbiased sources, such as we've got here, uncountered by sources to the contrary, we should take the story to the bank. Note that domestic Pakistan news organizations are not likely to take the lead in uncovering the details of an accord the Government wants kept secret. Not good for business. My personal interpretation of the Dawn News article, which reproduced most of the Wikipedia article verbatim, is that the Islamabad journalist was are keeping their readers informed by letting Wikipedia do the speaking, meanwhile keeping his head down by letting the Pakistan Foreign Office have a free swing at discrediting it.
  • 2) Two independent sources attest to the existence of the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan. No verifiable source claims contrary. While I realize that few sources have the broad knowledge of the area required to conclude no such organization exists, we are fortunate to already have input from the organization best suited for understanding the situation, the Government of Pakistan. When the Daily News brought the Wikipedia article to the attention of the Foreign Office, it would have been easy and natural for the Office to trivialize this group if the group did not in fact exist. Fantasies! However, the Foreign Office did not take that opportunity. Instead it only maintained that it did not cut a deal with the Taliban. Oddly enough, the Wikipedia article did not claim the IEoW was the Taliban. Somehow the Foreign Office considers the IEoW to be the Taliban. That's a fact in itself. How is it the Foreign Office could know this independent fact about the IEoW, if the IEoW didn't exist?
  • 3) For those of you that don't keep a close eye on current affairs, note the Musharraf government is in the midst of a major spin effort regarding the Waziristan accord. One of his Brigadier Generals told ABC News the accord would give sanctuary to Osama bin Laden under certain conditions. The general apparently confused the domestic message on the accord (civil war is over, forgive everybody) with the international message (war on terror is important). The blogosphere went crazy. Musharraf now has to pull out all the stops to reconcile what is inherently unreconcilable. All of which makes it very hard for fact-finding anywhere near this radioactive topic. All the more reason to listen carefully to any outside journalists who are able to make contact with the players in Waziristan.

Finally, on merge vs. keep: Tom harrison's suggestion to merge the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan with Waziristan Accord is not an unreasonable one, if we take a certain view of what's happening. That particular view is that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is important primarily in light of the Waziristan accord. That view probably has the best odds of prevailing in the end, but it is not the only view out there. Another view, and this argues for keep, is that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is essentially a branch of the Pakistan Taliban, and it has impact and influence apart from this accord. The very name "Islamic Emirate of Waziristan" has strong Taliban overtones, as 203.81.213.157 points out (it directly evokes the name the Afghanistan Taliban used for itself). If the Pakistan Foreign Office statement is taken at face value, the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan is a Taliban organization which was not party to the accord. If so they were not partty to the accord, they should not be consolidated onto the accord page. technopilgrim 22:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment - Sorry, but as far as I see it only the Newsweek article is mentioning this term of 'Islamic Emirate of Waziristan'. Both the articles from Asia Times Online do not even mention this term and definitely do not support the assertions which this article is making about some sort of a State or Emirate. The Asia Times Online articles are related to the 'war on terror' generally and the Waziristan accord specifically. So putting that as a reference in this article is incorrect to begin with.
As for your assertion that since the text of the Waziristan accord is a secret plus, in your opinion, the press in Pakistan seems to be regulated by the government (a claim which I personally reject as anybody with an internet browser and an internet connection can see by going over to the websites of Pakistani publications and see the blasting they are always handing out to the government e.g. here is what I found in 1 minute flat [69], [70]....doesn't seem to be 'regulated' to me) do not hold true as a justification for this article to be stamped as verifiable and be given a place on wikipedia. In fact this should serve as a basis for deletion because until and unless more verifiable evidence has been found regarding this fictitious Emirate, this article is unverifiable and violates wikipedia's cardinal policy.
Moreover, speaking of being in touch with current affairs, I don't know which General you are referring to when accusing the Pakistanis of a spinoff, but as far as I see it there is no free pass for Osama bin Laden or other targets of high importance as a result of the Waziristan accord as you can see at the following links. [71] [72] - Red aRRow 10:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to the press laws imposed in 2002 that caused the International Federation of Journalists to write[73]:

The International Federation of Journalists, the world's largest journalists' organisation, representing over 500,000 journalists worldwide, is deeply concerned over the recent adoption of three new press laws that it believes will seriously impact on the freedom of the press in Pakistan.

According to our information, the Pakistani government adopted the new press laws on August 31 2002 that increase the penalties for defamation, impose a system of prior authorisation for the news media, and create a government controlled press council, despite objections from Pakistani journalists.

We understand that the new defamation laws allow for penalties ranging from a minimum fine of US$800 through to prison sentences. We also understand that the Press Council is not independent of Government, with four representatives, including its president, appointed by the Government.

This constitutes government regulation of the press by my standards, if not by yours.

Regarding the general who spoke to ABC News, my mistake, he was not a Brigadier General. He was a Major General, which would be one step up from Brigadier General I'm guessing. This is not the first time my memory for detail has failed me. It was a General Shaukat Sultan who told ABC News on Tuesday, September 5th, that bin Laden would not be taken into custody "as long as one is being like a peaceful citizen". Here's the follow up story at ABC News.

technopilgrim 17:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • [Must Be Deleted] The article does not have any fact and is compltely Fake so it should be deleted. .—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.99.51.174 (talk • contribs) .
  • Keep or Merge with Waziristan accord. As it currently stands right now, there are only sockpuppets who have mostly voted in the delete section or Redarrow. Redarrow has been known to remove information outright that he doesn't personally like even when the statements and lines are fully referenced. See this in the 2004-2006 Waziristan conflict where I have used Pakistani sources for the casualty claims and a FOX news report that gives its comment on the outcome of the war, yet he went ahead and removed it, before I reverted again. Going by past interactions with him, he is likely to remove those irky figures and statements. Having started this request for deletion with the main reasing being "verifiability", he continues to violate the policy by removing statements elsewhere (related to this article) that are easily verifiable. Double standards, anyone? The article doesn't mention it is a state as a matter of fact, but just that some call it so, therefore it should be kept accordingly or merged with the peace accord article. Regarding my sockpuppet suspicion, most of the anons who have voted here have made zero contributions outside voting here. A red flag. Idleguy 06:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Your accusations are unfounded and baseless. The casualty figures needed to come from a neutral source and as you can see now I have added one. Although Fox News is a vehemently right wing media organization and is known for propagating the American neo-con agenda, still I have left your 'contribution' to the article which is sourced from that biased media organization. Plus as I have said before the article's credibility and verifiability is being debated here...not mine. Red aRRow 19:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Neutral" sources are hard to come by on a regular basis given that what appears to be neutral to one person may be contested as "a vehemently right wing media" by another. For all you know the one (DW link) you have added only adds half baked information which you haven't fully read yourself. If you had done that then you would probably have noticed that the 400 casualty figure mentioned in the Deutsche Welle source is for one year only and not the full duration of the conflict. I have now added the original source for the casualty claims for both sides. Further the casualty quotes I provided came directly from eminent Pakistani authors, which you removed twice before some sanity prevailed. Idleguy 06:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
btw, the FOX news article doesn't come from them. It is syndicated from Associated Press and a similar story ran in Pakistan's Daily Times. You might want to check your facts first before calling anyone that doesn't subscribe to your POV as biased. Idleguy 06:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Verifiable enough. Good evidence given by a couple editors above for why further evidence is not easy to come by, and no reason to side with sockpuppets who oppose simply because Pakistan tells them to. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 14:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Verifiable enough. References are about as trustworthy as you can get. And the article makes clear that Wikipedia isn't sure what's really going on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.110.228 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 26 September 2006
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The result was Speedy Deleted per CSD A7. Naconkantari 05:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arekkusu

To quote the first paragraph of the article, "Arekkusu is a fictional character that does not appear in the anime series Naruto. He is merely created by a fan to be a character that might live in that world. He will be a character in a upcoming fan-fiction that is not yet titled and the release date has not been set." Falls under Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Fancruft, and possibly other guidelines that I'm not familiar with. ~SnapperTo 21:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of search engines and directories

Redundant of established List of search engines, seems like it will attract little more than external link spamming (WP:BEANS). ZimZalaBim (talk) 21:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Velma Kelly Online

nn fansite, is dormant Giant onehead 21:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete both. Petros471 13:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early Republican Party (United States)

PoV fork of Democratic-Republican Party (United States); unsourced, inaccurate, PoV and interfering with getting the location of that article, which is disputed, settled. Produced by cut-and-paste by a single unser. Septentrionalis 21:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Widthdrawn following substantial improvement by Uncle G and Harvestdancer. Guy 20:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pleonexia

A dicdef, tagged as unreferenced since march - actually has two references, a copy of a Greek dictionary on the site of serial link spammer and sockpuppeteer User:Jason Gastrich, and answers.com. Guy 21:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Astroturfing. Clear consensus that this doesn't need an article; merging there seems reasonable, but that article already includes a brief, sourced paragraph on this topic. Feel free to merge more fully from the history. Mangojuicetalk 19:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty

International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty was nominated for deletion on 2006-08-07. The result of the discussion was "keep". For the prior discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty.

Non notable. 98 google hits., mostly from blogs. It is mentioned in one issue of Economist, but all they say it's a non-notable organization, for which one can find no details: (the Economist article)

Googling those details shows no trace on the internet for the “Robinson Corbett-Smith” who registered the site on January 14th this year. The address given is a hotel. The phone number is incomplete.
A Lexis-Nexis search for the ICDISS, in all languages and media going back 20 years, produces not a single entry. None of the people supposedly working for it—Joseph Connolly, Megan Stephenson or William Wood—appear in any plausible foreign-policy context in internet searches bogdan 22:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They also claim on their website:

Our annual spring conference is held every year since 2002 at the graduate school of the law faculty of the UNAM, in Mexico City, Distrito Federal (México). Our annual fall conference is held every year since 2004 in Washington, District of Columbia (USA).
1999-2006 © International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty

Yet, their domain was registered in January 2006 and there's no proof on the internet or otherwise that it existed previously. bogdan 22:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, unless somebody proves me wrong. This seems to be just a website, nothing of substance behind it, and no established notability for sure. However, if there is a story behind it, it might be worthy an article. --dcabrilo 22:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Petition accepted non-notable, possibly non-existant NGO. It would be quite easy to prove its solidity. But I'm not seeing that. They seem to have no contact information on their website. If they could give sources for the 2003 instance of "Occasionally, these charges have then been repeated on TV (twice, 2003)" [74], I might be inclined to change my position. - FrancisTyers · 22:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hah, good find. Let me quote a question found in their FAQ:
    FAQ: What is your response to claims that ICDISS does not exist?
    People frequently claim that this organization does not exist and I think they might be right. :-) bogdan 22:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Bwithh. The bogus nature of the organisation seems to me to have been established beyond reasonable doubt, but it's notable for that reason. Maybe the article title should include a reference to its hoax status. JQ 02:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 15:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Glass

This is a vanity page. It is nothing short of shameless advertising, and even cites the tremendously annoying advertising jingle. The only thing missing is the phone number.

If every auto glass company in the world could have its own Wikipedia page, we would have thousands of pages on Executive Auto Glass, Ocean Auto Glass, and so forth. At a certain point, this kind of nonsense has to stop. I dare anyone (in good faith) to explain why this article should be kept. YechielMan 22:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, nomination withdrawn. GRBerry 13:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Duffy

Looks like a lot of nonsense. Speedy Delete Clamster5 22:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Wood

Seems like a lot of nonsense. Clamster5 22:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I agree. It reads like a fictional character's biography from a book, but there's nothing linking to it which could be a book (the closest link is in fact a list of geographical locations). I'll notify the article's author and suggest that he write an article on the book or TV show first. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note, on closer inspection, it's just nonsense. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. - Bobet 15:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Rubin

This is a vanity article,for the user,Arthur Rubin,other than (has earned a place among the five top ranked undergraduate competitors ) thers nothing else.I don't think this is notable enof for wikipedia. Pixel ;-) 23:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes,Yes,i suspect that you are not nottable enof.Are the winners of the contest nottable?Why a holle article?--Pixel ;-) 23:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nottable per what?He has a fields medal,or noble?--Pixel ;-) 23:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
HAHAHA.Ok,now i understand why you all mock me.No no,i now that thers no nobel in maths(any one has a gess why? :-))i was putting an example for nottability.I'm not a dumbt like you seem to sujest,you shouldn't make a link ither betewn my intellect and my spelling.--Pixel ;-) 00:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I'd seriously consider Reid Barton for deletion too. He doesn't seem quite notable according to WP:PROF though I'm sure it's quite likely he'll qualify one day. FrozenPurpleCube 02:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Or he will simply burn out.--Pixel ;-) 01:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. Erdős number 1. Putnam exam top 5 finisher 4 consecutive years is also notable. Nomination reason given is factually inaccurate, and I doubt that the nominator is qualified to assess encyclopedic notability of mathematician bios. Quale 04:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your worme and kind words.What i see is an undergraduate competition,and then nothing(apart erdos thing).From the notability critiria only (7.The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.) seems to be closer to the situation.And from that i undestand it like the fields medal or something,not an undergraduate competition.And yes,i now that ther isn't a nobel for maths,you whant my opinion on this?--Pixel ;-) 00:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Non-notable. Are we going to give everyone with an impressive resume in their field a wikipedia entry? And to head off the increasingly hostile tone of the article supporters, yes, I am qualified to assess the encyclopedic notability of mathematician bios. SkipSmith 06:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Personally, I think he's more notable as a Wikipedian admin. (A good admin yet still...) Though with the article, I would give more weight to his Erdős number then to the Putnam Competition since at it's core the former is work with probably one of the most notable mathematician and the later is ultimately just a contest. It is a difficult and very selective contest but still just a contest. 205.157.110.11 10:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. He is a repeat Putnam Fellow, a Caltech graduate, and a mathematician with Erdős number 1. I don't know anyone else in the same group. Do you? Giftlite 23:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Six people have won the Putnam fellowship 4 times, 15 have won 3 times. There are 509 people with an Erdos number of 1. There are thousands of Caltech graduates. I'm sure I could find thousands of people that have a unique combination of several prestigious titles, accomplishments, or awards. Uniqueness isn't the same as notability. SkipSmith 06:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - doesn't look like a vanity article to me. Erdős 1 is a pretty reliable indicator for notability in mathematicians. Needs to be expanded --Storkk 12:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Erdos number = 1 makes a mathematician notable. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Should we create entries for all 509 mathematicians with an Erdos number of 1? SkipSmith
If we have anything to say about them and somebody wants to write them, then yes by all means. 509 is not a huge number of articles by any standards. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked, and there are only 1948 people with a Bacon number of 1. We've got some article writing to do ... SkipSmith 07:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't forget the Katsumi number.--Pixel ;-) 17:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jed "Big Wiggly" Holmes

Contested PROD. Does not meet WP:MUSIC, and is a probable hoax. Joyous! | Talk 23:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This hip hop artist was featured on an hour long special on WRFA 107.9 on the Local Music Showcase hour, completing the requirement of a half hour radio broadcast dedicated to an artist. he therefore qualifies to be added to Wikipedia. In addition he is on the rise and in time will complete other requirements. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.169.140.190 (talk • contribs) .

Comment: I think you missed an important word: that criteria specifies "national radio network". —Wknight94 (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Observance Masonry

This is not a notable group. There are only five lodges recognized in the whole of the US according to the Masonic Restoration Foundation here, yet it claims to be an "important historical movement", and the MRF itself that warrants these lodges was founded only in 2001. Therefore, apart from the bias of the article (which reads a lot like an advertisement), this article fails Wikipedia notability guidelines. MSJapan 23:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nn ALR 07:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Blueboar 12:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Badbilltucker 15:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. WegianWarrior 08:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete it, will add {{merge}} tag as opinions are divided on the issue. — CharlotteWebb 17:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

B50 (chess opening)

This article defines one of the 500 chess opening variations contained in the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. It is not a particularly unusual opening. If we will not include all 500 ECO categories (which of course we will not), we should not include even one of them. The convention on Wikipedia is, justifiably, to list openings according to their common name, such as Sicilian Defense, French Defense, and King's Gambit, among others. Each named opening covers many ECO listings. Anyone who knows what I'm talking about will almost certainly agree. YechielMan 23:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lunds ASK

If every chess club in the world had a Wikipedia page, there would be thousands of them. This is not notable, and is arguably a vanity page. YechielMan 23:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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